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  • Where are our societies?

    Posted by ljohnson_509 on January 18, 2021 at 6:19 pm

    As radiology ownership and billing for studies gets taken away from radiologists, as volumes keep increasing, reimbursements declining, work conditions deteriorating, job satisfaction declining where is our support? Do we just watch the field circle the drain and hope we can get out in time with our sanity?

    Unknown Member replied 3 years, 5 months ago 13 Members · 21 Replies
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  • Melenas

    Member
    January 18, 2021 at 6:28 pm

    Well, good question. But how many active radiologist participate in it? Dues paying that is. 
     
     
     

    • Unknown Member

      Deleted User
      January 18, 2021 at 6:33 pm

      Removed due to GDPR request

      • Melenas

        Member
        January 18, 2021 at 7:23 pm

        Im glad you do. But the overwhelming rads (and physicians in general) arent due paying, supporting their societies. Instead they complain about lack of X Y and Z. I could be wrong but thats my impression. 
         

        Quote from 67ED5CC042435

        I spend more on professional societies than I do for family vacations.

        • ljohnson_509

          Member
          January 18, 2021 at 7:52 pm

          You pay the societies and theyll come up with some unrelated clinical bs that wont help us. Field is sinking into the mud and seems like few care. Throw in a pinch of AI and extenders and put a fork in her,

          • william.wang_997

            Member
            January 18, 2021 at 8:02 pm

            Curious to ask Drrad, but are you a partner in a PP ?

            • leann2001nl

              Member
              January 18, 2021 at 8:04 pm

              Why would I pay a society that sells me out

              • Unknown Member

                Deleted User
                January 19, 2021 at 3:53 pm

                It’s not that much.
                Don’t be such cheap skates.
                ACR and ARRS offer a lot on many levels.
                RSNA not so much fo me, although have belonged to it most of my career.

  • mariacardei7_785

    Member
    January 18, 2021 at 7:10 pm

    Quote from Drrad123

    As radiology ownership and billing for studies gets taken away from radiologists, as volumes keep increasing, reimbursements declining, work conditions deteriorating, job satisfaction declining where is our support? Do we just watch the field circle the drain and hope we can get out in time with our sanity?

     
    Not being negative, but what can they do?
    ARRS, RSNA, etc – mostly educational
    ABR – certification (?)
    ACR – economic and gov’t affairs, would be the most likely organization, but not sure what SPECIFICALLY should they do
     
     
     

  • tdetlie_105

    Member
    January 19, 2021 at 5:48 pm

    ACR/RADPAC are far from perfect but only game in town.  Based on postings in Engage (ACR forum), very few members actually took the time to sign/send out emails to their representatives for recent CMS/SMB cr*p so the ACR is probably thinking the same about us (eg. what the hell is wrong with rads that they can’t take 30 sec to send a freakn email to protect their field).
     
    If every rad was an ACR member and donated $100-200 to RADPAC each year we would have much more leverage. It appears many (?most) rads either have their heads up their a$$es, are cheap MF’rs , think we are over-paid, or choose to be blissfully unaware of issues that the field faces. 

  • tdetlie_105

    Member
    January 19, 2021 at 5:57 pm

    Also the whole P/E side is our fault. No one put a gun to the partners in pp that chose to sell out.  Nothing that ACR/RADPAC can do about that in our capitalistic HC system.  Also in a warped way, P/E likely helps the field bc they have a vested interest in reimbursements and contribute to RADPAC etc.  Have a friend doing tele for one of the bigger P/E practices and they seemed to have real-time info about end of year legislature that was being proposed and were set with the preformed emails for rads to send to representatives. 

    • leann2001nl

      Member
      January 19, 2021 at 6:41 pm

      this is like saying it’s our duty to support the AMA and all these other useless organization simply for existing.
       
      prove to me your value. for instance physicians for patient protection shows me their value

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        January 20, 2021 at 7:47 am

        Quote from IR27

        this is like saying it’s our duty to support the AMA and all these other useless organization simply for existing.

        prove to me your value. for instance physicians for patient protection shows me their value

        I agree with the AMA. They are not much help for radiology, in fact a detriment some times.
        But for me, most of the radiology societies have added value. 
        At the least educationally, but also with some political aspects; although unfortunately not enough because are a relatively small organization in a big sea. Radiology is only a small part of medicine. Sometimes our egos cloud reality.

        • Unknown Member

          Deleted User
          January 20, 2021 at 8:04 am

          I do wonder (out loud) if it is a self-fulfilling prophecy when most of us won’t $upport a society or get actively involved because they aren’t effective in representing us, and yet they have little ability to be effective without our $upport and little interest in representing us when we aren’t involved. 

          • rwalmsley_851

            Member
            January 20, 2021 at 9:33 am

            I think ACR membership makes most sense for advocacy.

            RSNA and ARRS for education. Radiographics best for education.

  • mirellagadelha

    Member
    January 20, 2021 at 10:32 am

    Quote from Drrad123

    As radiology ownership and billing for studies gets taken away from radiologists, as volumes keep increasing, reimbursements declining, work conditions deteriorating, job satisfaction declining where is our support? Do we just watch the field circle the drain and hope we can get out in time with our sanity?

     
    Too busy being woke to deal with any of that messy stuff. Just shut up, pleb, and fork over your dues…
     
    [link=https://www.acr.org/Media-Center/ACR-News-Releases/2020/ACR-Statement-on-Capitol-Hill-Violence]ACR Statement on Capitol Hill Violence | American College of Radiology[/link]
     
    [link=https://www.acr.org/Media-Center/ACR-News-Releases/2020/ACR-Statement-on-Recent-Tragedies-and-Racial-Inequities]ACR Statement on Recent Tragedies and Racial Inequities | American College of Radiology[/link]
     
     

    • Dr_Cocciolillo

      Member
      January 20, 2021 at 10:46 am

      Strong supporter of ACR over the years.

      But fully agree with ex navy doc on this woke PC nonsense.

      Work on radiology advocacy issues. Period. Period. Period. Thats what Im paying you for. And I am paying you.

      • jennycullmann

        Member
        January 20, 2021 at 5:47 pm

        Quote from wisdom

        Strong supporter of ACR over the years.

        But fully agree with ex navy doc on this woke PC nonsense.

        Work on radiology advocacy issues. Period. Period. Period. Thats what Im paying you for. And I am paying you.

         
        It just shows you how corrupt they are, followers, stand for nothing, and are bureaucracies like the rest. Pathetic.
         
        The funniest thing about “equity” is that it will never happen because people aren’t equal, on an individual or group level. Anyone who lives in real life, and is actually an honest person, finds this out pretty quickly.

        • jtpollock

          Member
          January 20, 2021 at 6:54 pm

          Equality is the central tenant of communism, freedom is the central tenant to individualism.

          • Dr_Cocciolillo

            Member
            January 20, 2021 at 10:53 pm

            A society can not really create equal opportunity, whatever that means.

            Parents play a huge part in the opportunities created for their children. If its not 90 percent, its 75 at the least.
            No govt institution or policy can replace that.

            With the current explosion of single parents who lack the basic skills to provide for self alone , let alone 2 + children from different dads, I dont see that changing.

    • Unknown Member

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      January 25, 2021 at 9:55 am

      Quote from ExNavyDoc

      Too busy being woke to deal with any of that messy stuff. Just shut up, pleb, and fork over your dues…

      [link=https://www.acr.org/Media-Center/ACR-News-Releases/2020/ACR-Statement-on-Capitol-Hill-Violence]ACR Statement on Capitol Hill Violence | American College of Radiology[/link]

      [link=https://www.acr.org/Media-Center/ACR-News-Releases/2020/ACR-Statement-on-Recent-Tragedies-and-Racial-Inequities]ACR Statement on Recent Tragedies and Racial Inequities | American College of Radiology[/link]

      Just pick up any issue of JACR and you will see exactly what their priorities are. Article after article of woke screeds. Did it ever occur to the ACR leadership that, for example, women don’t proportionately choose radiology professions because… women are biologically different from men and perhaps, just perhaps, don’t like to be radiologists as much as men do? Or maybe, [i]just maybe[/i], women and underrepresented minorities are smarter than their white male cohorts, and are more perceptive in recognizing the incoming perfect storm of AI, government cuts and the “radiology extenders” which are sure to decimate the profession?

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        January 25, 2021 at 10:44 am

        Got their bill in the mail. Can anyone convince me why I should continue to financially support them?