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  • kayla.meyer_144

    Member
    May 14, 2019 at 5:42 pm

    Wag the dog.

    • btomba_77

      Member
      May 15, 2019 at 3:32 am

      [b]U.S. Orders Non-Essential Staff to Leave Iraq[/b][/h1]  
       
       
      The U.S. Embassy in Iraq says the State Department has ordered all non-essential, non-emergency government staff to leave the country right away amid escalating tensions with Iran, the [link=https://apnews.com/c61546f081e842f6b5d944ed20a204bc]AP[/link] reports.
      The alert, published on the embassys website on Wednesday, comes after Washington last week said it had detected new and urgent threats from Iran and its proxy forces in the region targeting Americans and American interests.

       

      • kaldridgewv2211

        Member
        May 15, 2019 at 8:40 am

        I think John Bolton is sure trying to drag us into fighting them.  He’s been crowing about Iran since long before his current position in the WH.  It looks like other US allies aren’t buying into the escalating tensions.

        • Unknown Member

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          May 15, 2019 at 12:23 pm

          I think there has been a slow infiltration of trumps White House by Cheyney/Rumsfeld disciples

          Barr Bolton and a couple others

          • Unknown Member

            Deleted User
            May 18, 2019 at 5:33 pm

            Not sure if we are or not but I know what Netanyahu wants us to do.
             
             

            • btomba_77

              Member
              May 20, 2019 at 3:37 am

              [b]Trump Warns Iran Not to Threaten U.S.[/b]

              President Trump warned Iran early on Monday not to threaten the United States again or itll face its official end, shortly after a rocket landed near the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad overnight, the AP reports.

              Trumps tweet comes after he seemingly sought to soften his tone on Iran following days of heightened tension sparked by a sudden deployment of bombers and an aircraft carrier to the Persian Gulf over still-unspecified threats.

              • btomba_77

                Member
                May 20, 2019 at 3:39 am

                I think there has been a slow infiltration of trumps White House by Cheyney/Rumsfeld disciples

                Barr Bolton and a couple others

                The neocons are certainly back. Bolton brought in his people and purged the opposition.

                And the Mattis-types who would have been the strong counter-weight are now gone.

                • Unknown Member

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                  May 20, 2019 at 4:47 am

                  Yep

                  They worked their way back in by the executive power angle

                  Now they are getting to their true agenda

                  And trump is so dumb and preoccupied with twitter fights that he cant see the forest from the trees

                • kaldridgewv2211

                  Member
                  May 20, 2019 at 8:00 am

                  Quote from dergon

                  I think there has been a slow infiltration of trumps White House by Cheyney/Rumsfeld disciples

                  Barr Bolton and a couple others

                  The neocons are certainly back. Bolton brought in his people and purged the opposition.

                  And the Mattis-types who would have been the strong counter-weight are now gone.

                  Have Mattis and McMaster exiled themselves or are the news media just not willing to interview them?  i’d like to hear their opinions and expertise.

                  • btomba_77

                    Member
                    June 10, 2019 at 5:57 am

                    [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-commander-weighs-an-expanded-mideast-force-to-counter-iran-11560110885]Wall Street Journal[/link]: The commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East said he may recommend a return to a larger U.S. military presence in the area after concluding that the deployment of this aircraft carrier and other capabilities helped curtail Iranian threats.
                     
                    Meanwhile, the [link=https://www.ft.com/content/c8b300fa-8ae5-11e9-a1c1-51bf8f989972]Financial Times[/link] reports Qatars foreign minister warned Iran and the U.S. are locked in stalemate and both parties need to compromise to avoid a miscalculation triggering a conflict.
                     

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 13, 2019 at 3:05 am

    [link=https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-tanker/two-tankers-struck-in-suspected-attacks-in-gulf-of-oman-sources-idUSKCN1TE0OI]Two oil tankers struck in suspected attacks in Gulf of Oman[/link] off of Iranian Coast

    • kaldridgewv2211

      Member
      June 13, 2019 at 6:47 am

      suspected torpedo?  That would probably limit the group of people that could’ve done this.  Also I hope these things didn’t have oil in them.

      • kayla.meyer_144

        Member
        June 13, 2019 at 9:37 am

        They both did were the reports I heard.

        • yao.bw39_792

          Member
          June 13, 2019 at 12:57 pm

          pompeo is blaming Iran.  Unfortunately they have squandered all credibility.

  • ruszja

    Member
    June 13, 2019 at 8:08 pm

    Quote from FleeYeVegans

    Just wanna hear everyone’s thoughts!

    Maybe we should.

    • 19462008

      Member
      June 13, 2019 at 9:02 pm

      Who’s attacking the ships? Who’s been seen setting up and displaying fast attack boats with ship to ship missiles on them? War? no. Bitch slap them with Cruise missiles , strategic strikes on some military sites; take out a few of those little boats. Yes. 

      • Unknown Member

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        June 13, 2019 at 10:49 pm

        Kushner & Co. might welcome the prospect of such a war.

        • btomba_77

          Member
          June 14, 2019 at 2:58 am

          [h1][b]The Onion:[/b]  [link=https://politics.theonion.com/bleeding-john-bolton-stumbles-into-capitol-building-cla-1834847900]Bleeding John Bolton Stumbles Into Capitol Building Claiming That Iran Shot Him[/link][/h1]
          [img]https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s–KQap50tK–/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/b4izlbcwcv2iosslgfz9.jpg[/img]

          Bursting through the Congressional chamber doors while moaning and clutching his shoulder, John Bolton reportedly stumbled into the Capitol building Friday claiming that hed been shot by Iran. Help, help, Ive just been attacked by a large Middle Eastern country around 636,000 square miles in size, said the national security advisor, telling those assembled that hed just been minding his own business when an aggressive Islamic Republic had thrown him on the ground and shot him with a long-range missile. Right after Iran shot me, I heard the nation laugh and say Somebody stop me before I go on a homicidal rampage. It was acting crazed and irrational, and I could smell enriched uranium coming from one of its urban centers. Please, hurry, if we move quickly, we might still be able to catch it before its too late. Upon further questioning, Bolton admitted that the incident had happened so fast that it was possible hed been attacked by Venezuela or North Korea. 
           

      • kaldridgewv2211

        Member
        June 14, 2019 at 6:35 am

        Quote from CudaRad

        Who’s attacking the ships? Who’s been seen setting up and displaying fast attack boats with ship to ship missiles on them? War? no. **** slap them with Cruise missiles , strategic strikes on some military sites; take out a few of those little boats. Yes. 

        I saw something that said the tanker operator said it was a flying object.  I guess that could be anything.  Like even a small commercial drone could probably be rigged with explosives.
         
        Now unfortunately we have a big credibility problem.  Bolton’s a war monger, Trump is an idiot, and it’s hard to believe anything they say.  The middle east is a mess.  It’s such a mess that you couldn’t put it past any number of actors trying to frame Iran. 

        • kayla.meyer_144

          Member
          June 14, 2019 at 6:59 am

          Worrying about all the traffic jams caused by all the Trump supporters who will be lining up to enlist for the next Middle East intervention, this time against Iran.
           
          At least our taxes won’t go up to pay for the next war. I assume China will fund this one too.
           
          [:D][:D][:D]

          • kaldridgewv2211

            Member
            June 14, 2019 at 9:05 am

            the Japanese shipping company is saying the US has it wrong.  It was attacked by a flying object and the hole is farther up the hull.  Now to me that could still mean it was torpedo’d.  I believe they can breach the water line.  If it was torpedo’d under the water line I think that’s typically what sinks a ship.  Not so much the hole but it stresses the keel and the boat done breaks in half.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 16, 2019 at 9:00 am

    [link=https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/448787-schiff-bolton-pompeo-undercutting-trumps-attempts-to-stay-out-of]Schiff: Bolton, Pompeo undercutting Trump’s attempts to stay out of war[/link]

    • btomba_77

      Member
      June 16, 2019 at 9:02 am

      [link=https://www.cbsnews.com/video/cotton-says-unprovoked-attacks-from-iran-warrant-a-retaliatory-military-strike/]https://www.cbsnews.com/video/cotton-says-unprovoked-attacks-from-iran-warrant-a-retaliatory-military-strike/[/link]
       
      Tom Cotton calls for “retaliatory military strike” against Iran

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 16, 2019 at 12:07 pm

    [link=https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/448806-buttigieg-iran-situation-disturbingly-reminiscent-of-lead-up-to-iraq-war]Buttigieg: Iran situation ‘disturbingly reminiscent’ of lead-up to Iraq War[/link]

    • Unknown Member

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      June 16, 2019 at 12:38 pm

      There were plenty of neolibs who goaded Trump into “retaliating” for the staged gas attacks in Syria.

    • ruszja

      Member
      June 16, 2019 at 2:21 pm

      Quote from dergon

      [link=https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/448806-buttigieg-iran-situation-disturbingly-reminiscent-of-lead-up-to-iraq-war]Buttigieg: Iran situation ‘disturbingly reminiscent’ of lead-up to Iraq War[/link]

      What an idiot. Hope he sticks to potholes and the ‘smart grid’.

      • katiemckee84_223

        Member
        June 16, 2019 at 8:33 pm

        Everything about Butt is disturbing.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 17, 2019 at 3:31 am

    Iran announces it will surpass its previously agreed upon limits on low enriched uranium within 10 days.

    • ruszja

      Member
      June 17, 2019 at 4:32 am

      Quote from dergon

      Iran announces it will surpass its previously agreed upon limits on low enriched uranium within 10 days.

      Iow they never dismantled and destroyed their enrichment capacity in accordance with the agreement. Well, at least they got a planeload of cash and were able to stack up on aircraft parts while it lasted.

      • kayla.meyer_144

        Member
        June 17, 2019 at 6:29 am

        Kind of a 1-sided argument, no? Trump trashes the agreement & promises economic punishment to any country and business adhering to the agreement an doing business with Iran. Iran threatens to not abide to an essentially defunct agreement & you claim it proves their bad faith.

        The bad faith so far is all Americas.

        [link=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33521655]https://www.bbc.com/news/.rld-middle-east-33521655[/link]
        In July 2015, Iran had almost 20,000 centrifuges. Under the JCPOA, it was limited to installing no more than 5,060 of the oldest and least efficient centrifuges at Natanz until 2026 – 15 years after the deal’s “implementation day” in January 2016.

        Iran’s uranium stockpile was reduced by 98% to 300kg (660lbs), a figure that must not be exceeded until 2031. It must also keep the stockpile’s level of enrichment at 3.67%.
        By January 2016, Iran had drastically reduced the number of centrifuges installed at Natanz and Fordo, and shipped tonnes of low-enriched uranium to Russia.

        [link=https://news.yahoo.com/iran-ups-pressure-sets-date-surpass-uranium-stockpile-101958039.html]https://news.yahoo.com/ir…ockpile-101958039.html[/link]
        Iran said Monday it will surpass from June 27 its uranium stockpile limit set under the nuclear deal with world powers, turning up the pressure after the US walked away from the landmark pact last year.

        “Today the countdown to pass the 300 kilogrammes reserve of enriched uranium has started and in 10 days time… we will pass this limit,” Iran’s atomic energy organisation spokesman Behrouz Kamalvandi told a new conference broadcast live on state television.

        The move “will be reversed once other parties live up to their commitments,” he added, speaking from the Arak nuclear plant south-west of Tehran.

        On May 8, President Hassan Rouhani announced that Iran would stop observing restrictions on its stocks of enriched uranium and heavy water agreed under the 2015 nuclear deal.

        He said the move was in retaliation for the unilateral US withdrawal from the accord a year earlier, which saw Washington impose tough economic sanctions on Tehran.

        • ruszja

          Member
          June 17, 2019 at 7:11 am

          Quote from Frumious

          Kind of a 1-sided argument, no? Trump trashes the agreement & promises economic punishment to any country and business adhering to the agreement an doing business with Iran. Iran threatens to not abide to an essentially defunct agreement & you claim it proves their bad faith.

          The bad faith so far is all Americas.

          [link=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33521655]https://www.bbc.com/news/.rld-middle-east-33521655[/link]
          In July 2015, Iran had almost 20,000 centrifuges. Under the JCPOA, it was limited to installing no more than 5,060 of the oldest and least efficient centrifuges at Natanz until 2026 – 15 years after the deal’s “implementation day” in January 2016.

          Iran’s uranium stockpile was reduced by 98% to 300kg (660lbs), a figure that must not be exceeded until 2031. It must also keep the stockpile’s level of enrichment at 3.67%.
          By January 2016, Iran had drastically reduced the number of centrifuges installed at Natanz and Fordo, and shipped tonnes of low-enriched uranium to Russia.

          [link=https://news.yahoo.com/iran-ups-pressure-sets-date-surpass-uranium-stockpile-101958039.html]https://news.yahoo.com/ir…ockpile-101958039.html[/link]
          Iran said Monday it will surpass from June 27 its uranium stockpile limit set under the nuclear deal with world powers, turning up the pressure after the US walked away from the landmark pact last year.

          “Today the countdown to pass the 300 kilogrammes reserve of enriched uranium has started and in 10 days time… we will pass this limit,” Iran’s atomic energy organisation spokesman Behrouz Kamalvandi told a new conference broadcast live on state television.

          The move “will be reversed once other parties live up to their commitments,” he added, speaking from the Arak nuclear plant south-west of Tehran.

          On May 8, President Hassan Rouhani announced that Iran would stop observing restrictions on its stocks of enriched uranium and heavy water agreed under the 2015 nuclear deal.

          He said the move was in retaliation for the unilateral US withdrawal from the accord a year earlier, which saw Washington impose tough economic sanctions on Tehran.

           
          Everything the critics of the agreements in 2015 predicted to happen is happening. Iran never intended to give up their capabilities, and it is clear they didn’t.

          • kaldridgewv2211

            Member
            June 17, 2019 at 7:30 am

            it looks like the Iranian politicans and Iranian military might be on different wavelengths.  The military might be crazy enough to try and run one of the dingies up to a US Destroyer.  pretty sure they’ve done so in the past and this planting mines on commercial is already pretty nuts.

            • kayla.meyer_144

              Member
              June 17, 2019 at 7:37 am

              Some prediction fw, after you cut the brake lines you cant predict the driver never intended to drive safely.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 17, 2019 at 4:18 pm

    [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-17/u-s-to-send-1-000-more-troops-to-mideast-over-tanker-attacks?srnd=premium]U.S. to Send 1,000 More Troops to Mideast Over Tanker Attacks[/link]

    • btomba_77

      Member
      June 18, 2019 at 8:10 am

      [blockquote] [b]EU Official Blames U.S. for Escalating Iran Tensions   [/b]
      A special adviser to EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini blamed the United States for a rise in tensions between Iran and the West, [link=https://www.politico.eu/article/us-iran-tensions-rise-top-eu-adviser/]Politico[/link] reports.
       
      Said Nathalie Tocci: This is happening for one reason that has not been cited so far, which is the fact that the United States has violated the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, meaning the Iran deal. Youre not living up to your side of the bargain.
       
       
       
       
      [/blockquote]

      • btomba_77

        Member
        June 18, 2019 at 8:12 am

        Doesn’t look like a “coalition of the willing ” is in the offing.  Maybe BoJo can get the UK on board and play Tony Blair for Trump

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 19, 2019 at 9:26 am

    [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-19/u-s-navy-presents-evidence-of-iran-s-role-in-attack-on-tankers?srnd=premium]U.S. Navy Presents Evidence of Irans Role in Attack on Tankers[/link][/h3] An explosives expert said the attack on the Kokuka Courageous was the result of a limpet mine.
     

    • ruszja

      Member
      June 19, 2019 at 2:10 pm

      Quote from dergon

      [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-19/u-s-navy-presents-evidence-of-iran-s-role-in-attack-on-tankers?srnd=premium]U.S. Navy Presents Evidence of Irans Role in Attack on Tankers[/link][/h3] An explosives expert said the attack on the Kokuka Courageous was the result of a limpet mine.

      Bbbut Trump !

      • kayla.meyer_144

        Member
        June 19, 2019 at 2:48 pm

        B-b-b-but if Trump starts a war with Iran, will you enlist to join the fight along with the other Trump supporters?
         
        That’s the question. I’m guessing not. Heel spurs and all that run rampant..
         

        • Unknown Member

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          June 19, 2019 at 3:36 pm

          Wait did I just read a post on here saying someone trusts Tucker Carlsons instincts more than 99% of those in DC

          Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha

          Holy fng schnikeys have we gone all out reality show or what

        • ruszja

          Member
          June 19, 2019 at 4:36 pm

          Quote from Frumious

          B-b-b-but if Trump starts a war with Iran, will you enlist to join the fight along with the other Trump supporters?

          That’s the question. I’m guessing not. Heel spurs and all that run rampant..

           
          Ah, bigmouth is at it again. It would seem that the party that is attacking international shipping is the one ‘starting a war’ here.
           
          But yes, if we get attacked by Iran, I would sign up for a hitch. Not an issue of heel-spurs, at this point its one of age on whether they would take me back.

          • kayla.meyer_144

            Member
            June 20, 2019 at 5:34 am

            Quote from fw

            Quote from Frumious

            B-b-b-but if Trump starts a war with Iran, will you enlist to join the fight along with the other Trump supporters?

            That’s the question. I’m guessing not. Heel spurs and all that run rampant..

            Ah, bigmouth is at it again. It would seem that the party that is attacking international shipping is the one ‘starting a war’ here.

            But yes, if we get attacked by Iran, I would sign up for a hitch. Not an issue of heel-spurs, at this point its one of age on whether they would take me back.

            The question is who is attacked first. A drone is an act of aggression not quite a reason to start a real shooting war. 
             
            It would seem the escalation started with abandoning the Iran agreement while Iran was following the terms of the agreement and the constant bellicose statements from this Administration. The nut jobs in this Administration are encouraging the nut jobs in Iran as they both want a military engagement.  When you remove diplomacy the only recourse is von Clausewitz:
             
            [b][/b]

            [b]War therefore is an act of violence to compel our opponent to fulfill our will.[/b]
             
            and
             
            [b]War is merely the continuation of policy by other means.[/b]

            Like I said, you can’t cut the brake lines & then complain that the driver is aching for an accident.
             

        • Unknown Member

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          June 19, 2019 at 4:43 pm

          Quote from Frumious

          B-b-b-but if Trump starts a war with Iran, will you enlist to join the fight along with the other Trump supporters?

          That’s the question. I’m guessing not. Heel spurs and all that run rampant..

          Apart from the neocons and neolibs, not many want more involvement in the Middle East. Regardless of how much certain lobbies agitate for it.

          • btomba_77

            Member
            June 20, 2019 at 2:59 am

            Looks like Iran has shot down a Navy MQ-4C over the Straits of Hormuz.

            • ruszja

              Member
              June 20, 2019 at 8:00 am

              Quote from dergon

              Looks like Iran has shot down a Navy MQ-4C over the Straits of Hormuz.

              Pretty clear that they want a war. May not be a bad idea to give them what they want. No land campaign, just flatten every military and export facility they have at their disposal.

              • kaldridgewv2211

                Member
                June 20, 2019 at 8:35 am

                One thing that is unclear to me is what the political/religious leadership has in terms of power over the military elite.  From some things i’ve read it seems like the military leaders might be doing their own thing here.  
                 
                They do pose a threat to our troops stationed in Iraq and the middle east.  They also have a pretty large and trained army.  It doesn’t make a ton of sense to me for them to start a war with the US.  The US could put a carrier strike group there and eliminate Iran.  Maybe this is just prodding to see what they can get away with.  

                • Unknown Member

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                  June 20, 2019 at 8:50 am

                  When the economy slows a war would boost approval ratings for the reality show

              • kayla.meyer_144

                Member
                June 20, 2019 at 9:19 am

                Quote from fw

                Quote from dergon

                Looks like Iran has shot down a Navy MQ-4C over the Straits of Hormuz.

                Pretty clear that they want a war. May not be a bad idea to give them what they want. No land campaign, just flatten every military and export facility they have at their disposal.

                They don’t want a war. They want to provoke an action and prove they are not afraid of us. After all we’ve been their neighbor for almost 20 years now. This is them thumbing their nose at us & Saudi Arabia. What have their actions been? Shooting down a drone? Punching a couple of holes in tankers? No casualties and they rescued the crews.
                 
                No, they are strutting but not pushing for a war. Not yet. 
                 
                Are we? Bolton has been itching for an Iranian war at least since Bush/Chaney.
                 
                [link=https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/08/echoes-of-iraq-war-in-trump-confrontation-with-iran/]https://foreignpolicy.com…nfrontation-with-iran/[/link]
                [size=”0″]

                The Trump administration says it does not want war with Iran. Many of its actions suggest otherwise.[/size]
                In the year since U.S. President Donald Trump pulled out of the 2015 Iran nuclear pact, his administration has dramatically raised tensions by reimposing sanctions, choking off all of Irans oil exports, labeling the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist group, and, most recently, sending an aircraft carrier strike group to the Middle East. In response, Iran said Wednesday it would begin a [link=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nuclear-deal-iran-announces-partial-withdrawal-2015-pact/]partial withdrawal[/link] from the nuclear deal (which until now Tehran and other major nations have continued to observe)a move that Trump critics fear the president could use to justify an attack.
                 
                Most telling of all, perhaps, is that Trumps Iran policy appears to have fallen into the hands of National Security Advisor John Bolton, the unremitting hawk who has repeatedly called for regime change in Tehran and was a key figure pushing for war with Iraq nearly two decades ago.

                 

          • kayla.meyer_144

            Member
            June 20, 2019 at 5:40 am

            Quote from Knob Creek Rye

            Quote from Frumious

            B-b-b-but if Trump starts a war with Iran, will you enlist to join the fight along with the other Trump supporters?

            That’s the question. I’m guessing not. Heel spurs and all that run rampant..

            Apart from the neocons and neolibs, not many want more involvement in the Middle East. Regardless of how much certain lobbies agitate for it.

            Who are the “liberals,’ whether “neo” or old who are calling for war?
             
            No, this call for war is all Republican, encouraging a Middle East war is not a liberal thing. Looks like Bolton & Pompeo want to finish Bush’s Wars. Both Israel and Saudi Arabia will be cheerleading from the safety of the rear lines.
             
             

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 19, 2019 at 9:54 am

    [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/us/politics/us-iran.html?emc=rss&partner=rss]Iran Has Ties to Al Qaeda, Trump Officials Tell Skeptical Congress[/link]

    • btomba_77

      Member
      June 19, 2019 at 12:49 pm

      Don’t worry everybody … this headline should let you know that we’re all in good hands ….
       
       
      Tucker Carlson Privately Advising Trump on Iran[/h1]  

      Tucker Carlson Privately Advising Trump on Iran A source familiar with the conversations told the [link=https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-tucker-carlson-privately-advises-trump-against-iran-war]Daily Beast[/link] that, in recent weeks, the Fox News host has privately advised Trump against taking military action against Iran.
       
      And a senior administration official said that during the presidents recent conversations with the Fox primetime host, Carlson has bashed the more hawkish members of his administration.

       

      • Unknown Member

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        June 19, 2019 at 12:54 pm

        I trust Carlson’s instincts more than I do those of 99% of the people in D.C.

        • katiemckee84_223

          Member
          June 19, 2019 at 1:15 pm

          Yup.

          • katiemckee84_223

            Member
            June 19, 2019 at 1:21 pm

            It’s always interesting how no matter what he does, they set up a scenario for a can’t win. It’s what hacks do? One year you hear anti-war, the next year they talk about him being a mad man with nuclear weapons, now they make fun of an advisor who is stressing peace over aggressive tactics, for the time being.
             
            It’s an odd world these hacks live in.

  • Unknown Member

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    June 19, 2019 at 3:37 pm

    Side note

    The new acting secretary of defense is a really good guy

    Mark esper

    A former high school classmate of mine

    Just one fine individual

  • katiemckee84_223

    Member
    June 20, 2019 at 9:48 am

    dergs trusts the globo homies more, lol

    • Unknown Member

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      June 20, 2019 at 10:35 am

      [link=https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/20/asked-if-us-will-strike-iran-trump-reportedly-says-youll-soon-find-out.html]https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/20/asked-if-us-will-strike-iran-trump-reportedly-says-youll-soon-find-out.html[/link]
       
      “President Trump says Iran may not have intentionally downed an unmanned U.S. surveillance drone…”
       
      My suspicion: Trump is trying like hell to keep us out of another war, but the War Party (as Pat Buchanan like to say) is trying to drag us into one with Iran.
       
      I agree with Frumious: Israel and Saudi Arabia will be cheering from the sidelines if we are goaded, again, into one. Foreign lobbies have far too much influence on this country.

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        June 20, 2019 at 10:59 am

        If trump was trying to keep us out of war he would have never ever ever hired John Bolton

        • Unknown Member

          Deleted User
          June 20, 2019 at 11:05 am

          There are plenty on both the Left and the Right who surmise that he did that as a psych play to rattle US geopolitical adversaries.

          • btomba_77

            Member
            June 20, 2019 at 11:10 am

            Or … he saw Bolton on Fox News and thought he talked a good game.
             
            ____
             
            Regardless.  I don’t approve of much this President does, but it is clear that his instinct here is to avoid conflict. (He wa even giving Iran an out today saying it must have been an accident or a lone wolf) 
             
            Whether he gets pushed by the hawks in his own inner circle (Bolton, Pompeo, Tom Cotton) or by the FoxHawks like Hannity (who seemed like he was edging the President on Iran a bit)   to look tough and take some retaliation remains to be seen.
             
            That could happen and could come off OK … or the crazier elements in both governments could end up in a cycle of escalation that is difficult to get out of.
             
             
             
             

            • Unknown Member

              Deleted User
              June 20, 2019 at 11:17 am

              Iran will look much like the huckleberry if the economy tanks

              • btomba_77

                Member
                June 20, 2019 at 11:29 am

                btw …. Iran is now saying the drone was shot down in Iranian air space and that they can prove it …. will take it to the UN
                 
                if so, they are fully in their rights to down it.

                • kaldridgewv2211

                  Member
                  June 20, 2019 at 12:26 pm

                  If it was in their airspace I’d assume they’ll have a nice collection of US drone pieces/parts to prove it.  If I recall correctly we did a lose a drone to them a few years back.

                  • Unknown Member

                    Deleted User
                    June 20, 2019 at 7:07 pm

                    The recent tensions with Iran are the direct and unfortunate result of U.S. foreign policy – esp. with this administration – being driven by right wing evangelical organizations and other right wing entities who are putting the interests of a certain foreign nation over American interests.
                     
                    This small foreign nation which borders the Mediterranean – and is currently controlled by a right wing government – claims to be a democratic country yet has a head of state who openly states that it is a country not of all its citizens but only of those citizens who belong to the majority religion.
                     
                    Those of us who point out such things are viciously and maliciously accused of a certain form of bigotry against an entire religious community – perhaps as a means to silence us.
                     
                    To be clear: Iran is not the enemy of the United States, and no American interest is served by attacking Iran. 
                     
                     

                    • katiemckee84_223

                      Member
                      June 20, 2019 at 7:49 pm

                      Quote from SadRad

                      To be clear: Iran is not the enemy of the United States, and no American interest is served by attacking Iran. 

                       
                      Can you please say that about Russia? If you don’t, I guess I do understand how truly diseased the lefty minds are.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      June 20, 2019 at 8:44 pm

                      IB, isn’t amazing how radical the progressive left
                      has become? They would rather side with the savages
                      of Iran over our ally Israel. I guess we shouldn’t be surprised
                      as the democratic party has openly embraced antisemitism.

                    • kaldridgewv2211

                      Member
                      June 21, 2019 at 5:01 am

                      Quote from IR_CONSULT

                      IB, isn’t amazing how radical the progressive left
                      has become? They would rather side with the savages
                      of Iran over our ally Israel. I guess we shouldn’t be surprised
                      as the democratic party has openly embraced antisemitism.

                      Why is not wanting to go to war with Iran siding with Iran?  This is all too predictable.  We pull back from the nuclear agreement and cripple their economy.  Is there any stomach in this country for another war?  hell no.  We’re still fighting in Afghanistan.  Endless war we’re not paying for except for in lives.
                       
                      Second this has nothing to do with Israel.  They mined some tankers (not Israeli) and they shot a drown (also not Israeli).  

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      June 21, 2019 at 5:09 am

                      Quote from DICOM_Dan

                      Why is not wanting to go to war with Iran siding with Iran?  This is all too predictable.  We pull back from the nuclear agreement and cripple their economy.  Is there any stomach in this country for another war?  hell no.  We’re still fighting in Afghanistan.  Endless war we’re not paying for except for in lives.

                       
                      This
                       

                      Second this has nothing to do with Israel.  They mined some tankers (not Israeli) and they shot a drown (also not Israeli).  

                      And also this.

                    • kaldridgewv2211

                      Member
                      June 21, 2019 at 6:26 am

                      We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die, – DJT
                       
                      He should not spouting off like this to anyone.  if you muck your hand you don’t show your cards.

        • Unknown Member

          Deleted User
          June 20, 2019 at 11:08 am

          Trump doesnt give a sheet about our troops and young people fighting

          As long as its not him or his kids

  • kayla.meyer_144

    Member
    June 20, 2019 at 7:25 pm

    We are Israels & the Saudis proxy.

    • btomba_77

      Member
      June 21, 2019 at 2:44 am

      [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-reportedly-approved-airstrikes-iran-backing-down-n1020086]Trump reportedly approved airstrikes on Iran before backing down[/link][/h3]  
       
      So close, Bolton.  So close.
       

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 21, 2019 at 1:52 pm

    Makes us look so weak! Fox & Friends host rages after Trump calls off Iran strike

    [link=https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/mak…f-iran-strike/]https://www.rawstory.com/…6/mak…f-iran-strike/[/link]

    • Unknown Member

      Deleted User
      June 21, 2019 at 5:16 pm

      I respect the restraint that President Trump showed at the last minute.

      Preventing 150 casualties is commendable.

      I know that hawkish Israel firsters are all upset that Iran didnt get bombed yesterday, but there are no widows who lost their husbands in Iran last night from a U.S. strike nor are there kids who lost a parent last night from a U.S. strike.

      Thats what matters – the bloodlust of hawkish Israel firsters does not matter.

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        June 21, 2019 at 5:24 pm

        Why not reenter the Iran nuclear deal ?

        Iran would have had no way to get weapons grade uranium until at least the year 2030.

        Isnt that what we all want ?

        • kayla.meyer_144

          Member
          June 22, 2019 at 6:01 am

          Like a TV movie, Trump is somehow amazed that he just stopped an attack in progress that he ordered done.
           
          He feels like he’s his own hero, saving lives! Give the man a medal!

          • Unknown Member

            Deleted User
            June 22, 2019 at 9:04 am

            Quote from Frumious

            Like a TV movie, Trump is somehow amazed that he just stopped an attack in progress that he ordered done.

            He feels like he’s his own hero, saving lives! Give the man a medal!

            You still haven’t learned how Trump uses Twitter, I see.

            • kayla.meyer_144

              Member
              June 22, 2019 at 9:07 am

              Uh, you haven’t realized what a twit Donald really is, I see.
               
              He launched the attack & after the pilots were in teh air approaching their target(s) he called them back. A risk and a waste of resources and effort at best.
               
              And in the end he was still amazed with himself for doing that!
               
              HEY! LOOKIT ME! I SAVED LIVES! I’M A HERO!
               
               

              • Unknown Member

                Deleted User
                June 22, 2019 at 2:09 pm

                Quote from Frumious

                Uh, you haven’t realized what a twit Donald really is, I see.

                He launched the attack & after the pilots were in teh air approaching their target(s) he called them back. A risk and a waste of resources and effort at best.

                And in the end he was still amazed with himself for doing that!

                HEY! LOOKIT ME! I SAVED LIVES! I’M A HERO!

                The tweet demonstrates to the people of Iran that although he could (by hawk standards) have “justified” the attack, he doesn’t intend to be a blood-thirsty butcher, and wants to proceed in a more diplomatic manner. 
                 
                Same reason why he characterized the downing of the drone as a mistake. He’s trying to give Iran an “out.”

                • Unknown Member

                  Deleted User
                  June 22, 2019 at 3:05 pm

                  Yeah, but you have to realize that the personality flaws that are
                  so common in radicals like Frumi will never allow to him to express anything but anger. If Trump attacked Iran Frumi would
                  express all out anger. When Trump shows reserve Frumi shows all out anger. He has no ability to reason.

                • kayla.meyer_144

                  Member
                  June 23, 2019 at 6:53 am

                  “ALL SIDES” should follow Trump’s example of “negotiating.
                   
                  [link=https://politics.theonion.com/bolton-calls-for-forceful-iranian-response-to-continuin-1835735060]https://politics.theonion…o-continuin-1835735060[/link]

                  Demanding that the Middle Eastern nation retaliate immediately in self-defense against the existential threat posed by Americas military operations, National Security Adviser John Bolton called for a forceful Iranian response Friday to continuing United States aggression. Iran cannot sit idly by as the American imperialist machine encroaches on their territory, threatens their sovereignty, and endangers their very way of life, said Bolton, warning that Americas fanatical leadership, steadfast devotion to flexing their muscles in the region, and alleged access to nuclear weapons necessitated that Iran strike back with a vigorous show of force as soonand as hardas possible. The only thing these Westerners understand is violence, so its imperative that Iran sends a clear message that they wont be walked over. Lets not forget, the U.S. defied a diplomatically negotiated treaty for seemingly no reason at all-these are dangerous radicals that cannot be reasoned with. Theyve been given every opportunity to back down, but their goal is total domination of the region, and Iran wont stand for that. At press time, Bolton said that the only option left on the table was for Iran to launch a full-fledged military strike against the Great Satan.

                   
                  Next, a nuclear strike on North Korea! Stopped within 5 minutes from targets. THAT ought to show Little Rocket Man that we are serious!

      • katiemckee84_223

        Member
        June 22, 2019 at 9:03 am

        Quote from SadRad

        I respect the restraint that President Trump showed at the last minute.

        Preventing 150 casualties is commendable.

        I know that hawkish Israel firsters are all upset that Iran didnt get bombed yesterday, but there are no widows who lost their husbands in Iran last night from a U.S. strike nor are there kids who lost a parent last night from a U.S. strike.

        Thats what matters – the bloodlust of hawkish Israel firsters does not matter.

         
        Finally, a fair handed post. I salute you, SadRad.
         
        This topic is a litmus test. Anyone who dislikes or piles on Trump after such a decision is just blinded by hate. Literally.

  • kayla.meyer_144

    Member
    June 22, 2019 at 6:14 am

    All Trump wants is a letter or phone call from Iranian President, ala Kim jong telling Trump what a handsome brilliant man he is, with such LARGE hands…
     
    We would suddenly see a new Iranian agreement that looks identical to the one Trump ran away from, the only change being it’s name, “Trump’s Iran Agreement!”

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 22, 2019 at 8:22 am

    Pence pulling out his weather-vane
     
     
    He’s totally on board with Trump’s decision to bomb Iran.  He also thinks calling it off was the best idea ever.
     
     

    • Unknown Member

      Deleted User
      June 22, 2019 at 8:52 am

      As an aside, why not work within the framework of international law ? – something warmongers never understand.
       
      If the U.S. feels one of its assets was destroyed in international waters in a hostile act by a foreign nation, the matter should be referred to the UN Security Council to decide and authorize any lawful  and legal use of force.
       
      It’s not for the U.S. to take the law into its own hands and attack another country without authorization from the UN Security Council.
       
      Iran says the drone was in Iranian air space – the U.S. says otherwise – the UN should decide who’s right and who’s wrong here. 
          
      The U.S should never enter any war unless authorized by both the UN Security Council and the U.S Congress.  Even then, I would still say all wars are stupid and evil, but then at least the legal basis would be there.
       
       

      • btomba_77

        Member
        June 22, 2019 at 9:08 am

        Quote from SadRad

        As an aside, why not work within the framework of international law ? – something warmongers never understand.

        If the U.S. feels one of its assets was destroyed in international waters in a hostile act by a foreign nation, the matter should be referred to the UN Security Council to decide and authorize any lawful  and legal use of force.

        It’s not for the U.S. to take the law into its own hands and attack another country without authorization from the UN Security Council.

        Iran says the drone was in Iranian air space – the U.S. says otherwise – the UN should decide who’s right and who’s wrong here. 
           
        The U.S should never enter any war unless authorized by both the UN Security Council and the U.S Congress.  Even then, I would still say all wars are stupid and evil, but then at least the legal basis would be there.

        That’s what should happen.
         
        Two things likely prevent it from happening.  First, the Trump administration has a broad disdain for the UN and the international order.  Second, the war hawks around Trump don’t want an honest reckoning … they want a justification for military action.

        • kayla.meyer_144

          Member
          June 22, 2019 at 9:12 am

          Instead of the Guns of August, thanks to Trump (& dummy Pence) we could stumble into the Guns of June or July.

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