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Trump Promises
Trump was often very clear. So what promises will he keep and break.
I’m shocked that he won. So I’m not one to listen to….
But, no way he will have a special prosecutor for Hillary and put her in jail. I’m not sure what was SNL and what was real at this point. Kate McKinnon must have sobbed at the news. -
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I will make one prediction
I predict by the first of March he tells us how great the economy is, laying the groundwork for proclaiming how he fixed things-
As a new recession starts?
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Obama will pardon HRC on the way out
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Obama will pardon HRC on the way out
Hopefully. a la Ford pardoning Nixon in the 70’s, there is nothing to be gained by keeping Hillary in the spotlight with perceived misdeeds.-
The only hope I see is that, with a republican president, congress is less apt to obstruct infrastructure investment. There’s no longer an incentive to see the president fail. My fear is that he’ll cut taxes and start another war a la W.
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You know I had predicted a big market downturn regardless. Fundamentally the market is flawed. Trump needs time to bring investment and real productivity back. No more cheap money propping up charlatans like Clinton and Obama.
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I anticipate massive federal deficits (over $1 trillion per year for the next few years) as big tax cuts get combined with an infrastructure plan in 2017
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If he cuts corporate tax rates trillions will be repatriated to the US. Huge gift to the business people. I think the market may go up.
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If, if, if. If he cuts the taxes and if the corporations repatriate the trillions of $, yes, it would be nice for Treasury. But would the revenue continue? All these painless solutions don’t quite ever seem to work out in reality, “Money for nothing.” And the incentives to take the money out of foreign banks & pay US taxes? What’s the upside for corporations?
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It’s pretty darned likely there will be a recession at some point in the coming term. (That was true regardless of who won)
Things that I think are pretty likely:
Trump will nix Obama executive orders on environment, immigration.
Will likely pull out of Iranian nuclear accord.
Will cut the taxes associated with the ACA as part of a GOP budget.
Will do some token physical structure on the Mexican border to say he built a wall.
Whether Obamacare gets repealed depends on whether the congressional Republicans really want to own repeal. It’s still a tough spot. But we might see a replacement. … hard to do without 60 votes in the Senate though.
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Whether Obamacare gets repealed depends on whether the congressional Republicans really want to own repeal. It’s still a tough spot. But we might see a replacement. … hard to do without 60 votes in the Senate though.
Remember, it’s just a tax. What reconciliation giveth, reconciliation taketh away.
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Whether Obamacare gets repealed depends on whether the congressional Republicans really want to own repeal. It’s still a tough spot. But we might see a replacement. … hard to do without 60 votes in the Senate though.
Remember, it’s just a tax. What reconciliation giveth, reconciliation taketh away.
[i]Parts[/i] of it are a tax. Big parts. The subsidies could sunset and the mandate tax go away and the medicaid expansion … if they wanted to go that route.
But also … I think it is important to recall that Donald Trump has been pretty repeatedly strong in his comments about wanting to see everyone covered.
“I am going to take care of everybody. I dont care if it costs me votes or not. Everybodys going to be taken care of much better than theyre taken care of now.”
He will not allow people to die on the sidewalks and the streets of our country” for lack of access to health insurance.
I’m not sure he would sign a repeal without a real replacement. Maybe…. we’ll see.
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He will not allow people to die on the sidewalks and the streets of our country” for lack of access to health insurance.
I’m not sure he would sign a repeal without a real replacement. Maybe…. we’ll see.
You are more optimistic than I. Trump has made few statements that he later denied making, in spite of the statements having been recorded.
“Wasn’t me.” “WRONG!”-
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He will not allow people to die on the sidewalks and the streets of our country” for lack of access to health insurance.
I’m not sure he would sign a repeal without a real replacement. Maybe…. we’ll see.
You are more optimistic than I. Trump has made few statements that he later denied making, in spite of the statements having been recorded.
“Wasn’t me.” “WRONG!”
True. But …
Donald Trump is not a conservative. Never has been.
Donald Trump has never been a budget cutter. He has fairly consistently been populist in favoring maintenance/improvement/expansion of safety net programs like health care and social security.
Sure. He might not be up for a fight with Paul Ryan and might approve some nasty cuts.
But, despite by strong opposition to Trump in the campaign, I intend to give Donald Trump a chance to govern and will then judge accordingly.-
Not like there’s a choice.
Of all people, I was surprised with McConnell’s statement today warning Republicans to be careful about declaring a mandate noting that elections take place every 2 years and today’s majority is tomorrow’s minority. Not that I think he a moderate but interesting statement nonetheless. -
Not like there’s a choice.
Of all people, I was surprised with McConnell’s statement today warning Republicans to be careful about declaring a mandate noting that elections take place every 2 years and today’s majority is tomorrow’s minority. Not that I think he a moderate but interesting statement nonetheless.-
McConnell already coming up with excuses to continue congress’ do-nothing approach.
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Speaking of promises. Dear Celebrities, when you promised to leave the USA if Trump got elected. It’s time to put up. That means you Lena Dunham. GTFO. How bout you Reverend Al? Get your ticket out yet. Amy Schumer please leave. Ruth Ginsberg, maybe you can get a nice 1 bedroom apartment in New Zealand.
[link=http://townhall.com/tipsheet/catherinedunn/2016/09/08/these-10-celebrities-say-theyll-leave-the-country-if-trump-is-elected-n2215391]http://townhall.com/tipsh…mp-is-elected-n2215391[/link]
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Speaking of promises. Dear Celebrities, when you promised to leave the USA if Trump got elected. It’s time to put up. That means you Lena Dunham. GTFO. How bout you Reverend Al? Get your ticket out yet. Amy Schumer please leave. Ruth Ginsberg, maybe you can get a nice 1 bedroom apartment in New Zealand.
Yes please. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Now, first you have to be able to look up the visa rules for your intended destination:
[link=http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/canada-immigration-website-down-trump-trnd/]http://www.cnn.com/2016/1…bsite-down-trump-trnd/[/link]
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Dalai and others were promising the same leaving when Obama got elected.
The reality is that as McConnell said, nothing lasts forever. Demographics are changing & Republicans have alienated everyone except the “poorly educated” whites who themselves will find that the Republicans under Trump will treat them exactly the same as they have before, nothing but jetsam detritus useful only for their angry alienation during elections. -
Obamacare was already headed down the toilet on its own. Trump being elected is just going to accelerate the process.
I think that the new plan will include Insurance for pre-existing conditions and cross state line coverage. No mandates and no penalties.
This will throw a wrench in the wheels of a ACO’s.
Huckabee and Ben Carson are both physician advocates. They were both Trump sycophants. Like them or not, I imagine that they will both play big roles in the development of a health plan.
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Even HRC had bad defense on the Obamacare. Her whole thing was about it did good things like ending limits, pre-existing conditions, kids stay till you are 26. You could do that on a one page bill.
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Even HRC had bad defense on the Obamacare. Her whole thing was about it did good things like ending limits, pre-existing conditions, kids stay till you are 26. You could do that on a one page bill.
You mean like Romney’s bad and non-existent defense of Romneycare 4 years ago? He actually had to turn his back on his own work and disavow it totally. Heritage the same, praising Romney in 2007 for Romneycare.
So you belong to the 2-faced Party who is for it before they were against it. Like Trump, never took a stand they couldn’t disavow later. But do, faithfully.
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dark days are coming folks
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Even HRC had bad defense on the Obamacare. Her whole thing was about it did good things like ending limits, pre-existing conditions, kids stay till you are 26. You could do that on a one page bill.
You mean like Romney’s bad and non-existent defense of Romneycare 4 years ago? He actually had to turn his back on his own work and disavow it totally. Heritage the same, praising Romney in 2007 for Romneycare.
So you belong to the 2-faced Party who is for it before they were against it. Like Trump, never took a stand they couldn’t disavow later. But do, faithfully.
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not certain why people are protesting now–find another productive way–he is not in office
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[i]Parts[/i] of it are a tax. Big parts. The subsidies could sunset and the mandate tax go away and the medicaid expansion … if they wanted to go that route.
The entire (unread) package was passed using reconciliation. A repeal bill just needs to say ‘This act of congress repeals Public Law 111148’. Just like the original tax bill, this can be tagged to a budget measure and passed without the need for a full up senate vote.
But also … I think it is important to recall that Donald Trump has been pretty repeatedly strong in his comments about wanting to see everyone covered.
That’s easy enough. Repeal it with a 18 month sunset giving congress the opportunity to pass a replacement.
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Whether Obamacare gets repealed depends on whether the congressional Republicans really want to own repeal. It’s still a tough spot. But we might see a replacement. … hard to do without 60 votes in the Senate though.
Remember, it’s just a tax. What reconciliation giveth, reconciliation taketh away.
I would bet that a lot of those Trump supporters have taken good advantage of the ACA and they will be mightily surprised to find they no longer have access to health care.
Turn back the clock. Things were better in the idealized past. Just ask the Taliban and ISIS when the Caliphate was in bloom.
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Start another war? Uh, no – this is why many of us voted for him. As a member of the merchant class, he has little interest in foreign adventures. Unlike HRC, who probably would have led us to war with Russia by July.
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ISIS? He’s going to throw spitballs at them? Twit mean things at them & they will surrender?
As I recall he was a musician loudly playing the drums of war a number of times. Libyan intervention. And support of Iraq.
All of a sudden he’s a pacifist. I can sell you a bridge on the cheap.-
ISIS is *already* at war with the West but this isn’t relevant; I can see Trump taking a more matter-of-fact, scorched-earth approach to the situation (which is what’s appropriate) rather than dragging the situation out.
And his “support” for the war in Iraq consists of a couple of “Yeah, whatever”-type comments on radio interviews. He beats HRC in a landslide when it comes to foreign policy.
Democrats are now the party of war-hawks. If Republicans (can’t call them the GOP after the underhandedness they displayed in their attempted sabotage of Trump) play their cards right for the net four years – courting middle-class and blue-collar workers, enforcing immigration law, and hammering the “America First” approach – they could be looking at dozens of years of electoral success.-
You realize Trump is considering John Bolton for sec of state, right?
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“Make ’em glass” is a favorite refrain.
“You mean I can’t use nuclear weapons? What’s the point in having them?” -
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You realize Trump is considering John Bolton for sec of state, right?
I would venture that Jan does not know who Bolton is. Or else he agrees with Bolton’s solutions.
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Always nice to see someone make a fool of him/herself with this kind of presumption.
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I honestly hope you are right not only because I’m pretty anti non defensive wars but also because I’m really afraid that trump has no fear whatsoever of putting our Military in dangerous position and I’m not convinced he has the judgement in crucial situations
Basically he scares the sheet out me
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Trump dropped a bunch of mainstream Republican names to reassure voters that he’s not (about which many were and are worried) a Democratic plant. He’s still his own man, and will not likely heed calls for drastic interventions. It’s also likely that many Republicans will stay aboard the anti-interventionist track upon which Trump has set their party. It’s a winning solution, and one consistent with the founding principles of this country.
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Trump dropped a bunch of mainstream Republican names to reassure voters that he’s not (about which many were and are worried) a Democratic plant. He’s still his own man, and will not likely heed calls for drastic interventions. It’s also likely that many Republicans will stay aboard the anti-interventionist track upon which Trump has set their party. It’s a winning solution, and one consistent with the founding principles of this country.
Are your finger crossed?
Difficult to believe when Trump was a cheerleader for the Iraq Wars and intervening into Libya.
Or was he for them before he was against them?
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[b]”The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally.” [/b] This is from the Atlantic. I think this is an excellent summary of most of the Trump supporters I’ve spoken with. They seem to ignore or rationalize what he actually says or does and, instead, project on him what they feel he’ll ‘really’ do as president. For our sake, I hope you’re right, Jan. But I don’t feel as optimistic as you do.
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McConnell already coming up with excuses to continue congress’ do-nothing approach.
I hope the republicans in the senate fire him before he can do much damage. The party has 18 months to turn the ship around, they need to get rid of any dead weight like McConnell.
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McConnell already coming up with excuses to continue congress’ do-nothing approach.
I hope the republicans in the senate fire him before he can do much damage. The party has 18 months to turn the ship around, they need to get rid of any dead weight like McConnell.
And there, dergon, is your very clear in-your-face answer from fw and deadwing about the possibility of working with Republicans across the aisle – won’t happen.
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uncertain how Trump and his supporters would have behaved if they loss–I recall some saying grab guns/ he did not know if the system was rigged–so appreciate the grace HRC/President Obama showed-
we survived Bush so Presidents come and go–glad this will be on the GOP again( like Iraq–u break it u own it)-
I guess the snowflakes in NYC don’t like our
electoral process????? I asked a girl what she
was protesting —- she said that she woke up
afraid for her life. She said that Trump did not
win the race fairly and he will never be her president.
I think she needs a safe place……..pretty sad. I wished
her luck in making it through the rest of her life.-
well– she will not be one of the soldiers from Trump won states that will be deployed to “take that oil” as Trump promised he would do–don’t see a Muslim country just handing it over–a GOP Pres, Congress and Senate but a SC nomination–nothing really in play to stop that promise –so will avoid the news for a couple of weeks–this normalization thing that’s going on to placate the majority
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I guess the snowflakes in NYC don’t like our
electoral process????? I asked a girl what she
was protesting —- she said that she woke up
afraid for her life. She said that Trump did not
win the race fairly and he will never be her president.
I think she needs a safe place……..pretty sad. I wished
her luck in making it through the rest of her life. -
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I guess the snowflakes in NYC don’t like our
electoral process????? I asked a girl what she
was protesting —- she said that she woke up
afraid for her life. She said that Trump did not
win the race fairly and he will never be her president.
I think she needs a safe place……..pretty sad. I wished
her luck in making it through the rest of her life.Oh, I think turnabout is fair play.
After impeachment, the Iraq War, listening who the “real” Americans are, Obama is not an American, he was born in Kenya (main talking point of President-elect Trump – a bold lie), Obama is a terrorist-loving secret Muslim, 8 years of 100% opposition and stonewalling regardless of the damage to the Country and economy and people’s lives, the Supreme Court vacancy antics and tactics, how Obama is “not my President” said by many Republicans, etc, etc, etc, a bit of the Right taking its own medicine is long overdue.
Count this old Snowflake among the loyal opposition. There is still nothing bi-partisan being offered by the victors in this election and on these pages. There is not hand being extended from the Right, just a slap. So if my help is not wanted and is in fact rejected out of hand, I will oppose everything. Since there is and has been nothing in the stated agenda of the Right that is palatable or good for the Country. Angry diatribe tearing down everything in fits of pique and victory is not a way to run the Country.-
many Californian’s–are like why should our taxes pay for the poor bigoted red states–succession was abound on twitter
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I guess the snowflakes in NYC don’t like our
electoral process????? I asked a girl what she
was protesting —- she said that she woke up
afraid for her life. She said that Trump did not
win the race fairly and he will never be her president.
I think she needs a safe place……..pretty sad. I wished
her luck in making it through the rest of her life.Oh, I think turnabout is fair play.
After impeachment, the Iraq War, listening who the “real” Americans are, Obama is not an American, he was born in Kenya (main talking point of President-elect Trump – a bold lie), Obama is a terrorist-loving secret Muslim, 8 years of 100% opposition and stonewalling regardless of the damage to the Country and economy and people’s lives, the Supreme Court vacancy antics and tactics, how Obama is “not my President” said by many Republicans, etc, etc, etc, a bit of the Right taking its own medicine is long overdue.
Count this old Snowflake among the loyal opposition. There is still nothing bi-partisan being offered by the victors in this election and on these pages. There is not hand being extended from the Right, just a slap. So if my help is not wanted and is in fact rejected out of hand, I will oppose everything. Since there is and has been nothing in the stated agenda of the Right that is palatable or good for the Country. Angry diatribe tearing down everything in fits of pique and victory is not a way to run the Country.
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I guess the snowflakes in NYC don’t like our
electoral process????? I asked a girl what she
was protesting —- she said that she woke up
afraid for her life. She said that Trump did not
win the race fairly and he will never be her president.
I think she needs a safe place……..pretty sad. I wished
her luck in making it through the rest of her life.
Wow, common ground! She agrees with Trump that our election process is rigged![;)]…Trump has 2-4 years to prove her (and half the country wrong), we’ll see how this goes -
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I guess the snowflakes in NYC don’t like our
electoral process????? I asked a girl what she
was protesting —- she said that she woke up
afraid for her life. She said that Trump did not
win the race fairly and he will never be her president.
I think she needs a safe place……..pretty sad. I wished
her luck in making it through the rest of her life.
I can understand protestor’s disappointment, shock, and concerns but they do look silly when they’re holding anti-wall street signs-
Cmon now lets all step back and look at this from a bigger picture
When you have a Split in the electoral college and the Popular vote just like we had in Bush/Gore you are going to see this kinda stuff
You guys cant honestly tell me that if Trump won the Popular vote but lost in the electoral college that there wouldn’t be Militias forming saying the system is rigged
I think the Non Violent protest in the streets are not really all that bad compared to what would happen if the situation was reversed-
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Cmon now lets all step back and look at this from a bigger picture
When you have a Split in the electoral college and the Popular vote just like we had in Bush/Gore you are going to see this kinda stuff
You guys cant honestly tell me that if Trump won the Popular vote but lost in the electoral college that there wouldn’t be Militias forming saying the system is rigged
I think the Non Violent protest in the streets are not really all that bad compared to what would happen if the situation was reversed
He won the vote here by something like 400k votes. If anything it feels like the electoral college served it’s purpose. We’re not beholden to California because they have a higher population. The whole Berkeley safe space, get in touch with your feelings BS, have a good cry, doesn’t represent Ohio.
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[b] He won the vote here by something like 400k votes. If anything it feels like the electoral college served it’s purpose. We’re not beholden to California because they have a higher population. The whole Berkeley safe space, get in touch with your feelings BS, have a good cry, doesn’t represent Ohio. [/b]
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Hate to break this to you ……………. But Im pretty darn sure that the Berkeley kids really feel about the same as you about California…………. I don’t they they think too much of Ohio-
I lived in Ohio for a few unfortunate years and it is and Armpit
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Deficits as far as the eye can see and a bunch of GOP policies antithetical to Trump promises…we are in for some interesting times. Ryan thinks he can control Trump, I think he will find out otherwise…a more interesting question is will the freedom caucus press for someone closer to Trump’s stated goals
BTW…here is your scorecard…
[link=http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days]http://www.npr.org/2016/1…-in-his-first-100-days[/link]-
Ohio the one’s that returned Wall Street creature and pro-TPP Senator Rob Portman back to office?
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I lived in Ohio for a few unfortunate years and it is and Armpit
It’s not Ohio that’s the problem. It’s you.-
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I lived in Ohio for a few unfortunate years and it is and Armpit
It’s not Ohio that’s the problem. It’s you.
I may be a a problem. Granted, but have you ever lived Ohio
Gray gloomy cold 8 months out of the year. 5 times as many dreary days as sunshine. Outside of Columbus just depressed as hello.
Ohio is an armpit………….. At least West Virginia and Kentucky have some pretty mountains and scenery but when I was living in Ohio the locales would even Joke that they needed a Prozax Salt block to lick several times a day-
I have lived in Ohio for nearly all my life.
I live within 100 yards of a Great Lake (and my boat)yet am within walking distance of gray restaurants, pubs, and theaters. My city of Cleveland is a wonderful place to make a life.
Yes the winters are long and cold but so are huge swaths of the country.
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Im glad you are happy there. I was always a shorts and sunshine type of person
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It’s ironic when people that were up in arms about the Trump not accepting the election are the same people not accepting the election. There’s great videos of people big time cry babies. Say it ain’t so. I didn’t want two terms of Obama but I didn’t cry about it. Some of these people seem so out of touch with reality. I read something about a gay person in Chicago was afraid for their life because of a Trump presidency. Get real and move on folks because never Hillary has won out.
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It’s ironic when people that were up in arms about the Trump not accepting the election are the same people not accepting the election. There’s great videos of people big time cry babies. Say it ain’t so. I didn’t want two terms of Obama but I didn’t cry about it. Some of these people seem so out of touch with reality. I read something about a gay person in Chicago was afraid for their life because of a Trump presidency. Get real and move on folks because never Hillary has won out.
I understand it is our system and Trump won
But what if the situation was reversed. What if Trump won the Popular vote Like Hillary did but lost the electoral college
Do you think Trump and his supporters would have acted different?
You all are going to have to accept that because Hillary has won the Popular vote……………. you are going to hear this argument from the Left for 4 years. Like it or not they are going to keep saying it.
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It’s ironic when people that were up in arms about the Trump not accepting the election are the same people not accepting the election. There’s great videos of people big time cry babies. Say it ain’t so. I didn’t want two terms of Obama but I didn’t cry about it. Some of these people seem so out of touch with reality. I read something about a gay person in Chicago was afraid for their life because of a Trump presidency. Get real and move on folks because never Hillary has won out.
I understand it is our system and Trump won
But what if the situation was reversed. What if Trump won the Popular vote Like Hillary did but lost the electoral college
Do you think Trump and his supporters would have acted different?
You all are going to have to accept that because Hillary has won the Popular vote……………. you are going to hear this argument from the Left for 4 years. Like it or not they are going to keep saying it.
it’s an unknown since he won. Before the election the mindset was more along the lines of when Donald loses, how will we will have a peaceful transition. Well it turns out that maybe we should’ve said when HRC loses, how will we have a peaceful transition. People throwing tantrums and burning flags is the opposite of peaceful as I see it.
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It’s ironic when people that were up in arms about the Trump not accepting the election are the same people not accepting the election. There’s great videos of people big time cry babies. Say it ain’t so. I didn’t want two terms of Obama but I didn’t cry about it. Some of these people seem so out of touch with reality. I read something about a gay person in Chicago was afraid for their life because of a Trump presidency. Get real and move on folks because never Hillary has won out.
I understand it is our system and Trump won
But what if the situation was reversed. What if Trump won the Popular vote Like Hillary did but lost the electoral college
Do you think Trump and his supporters would have acted different?
You all are going to have to accept that because Hillary has won the Popular vote……………. you are going to hear this argument from the Left for 4 years. Like it or not they are going to keep saying it.
it’s an unknown since he won. Before the election the mindset was more along the lines of when Donald loses, how will we will have a peaceful transition. Well it turns out that maybe we should’ve said when HRC loses, how will we have a peaceful transition. People throwing tantrums and burning flags is the opposite of peaceful as I see it.
Im not saying I agree with it but Get used to hearing Illegitimate president because he didn’t win the majority of the vote. You cant change it-
view him as a Bush presidency–given by external forces-FBI/not supreme court this time and FOX with again not the majority–sick that our state CA has to pay for the ignorance of other states
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It’s ironic when people that were up in arms about the Trump not accepting the election are the same people not accepting the election. There’s great videos of people big time cry babies. Say it ain’t so. I didn’t want two terms of Obama but I didn’t cry about it. Some of these people seem so out of touch with reality. I read something about a gay person in Chicago was afraid for their life because of a Trump presidency. Get real and move on folks because never Hillary has won out.
I understand it is our system and Trump won
But what if the situation was reversed. What if Trump won the Popular vote Like Hillary did but lost the electoral college
Do you think Trump and his supporters would have acted different?
You all are going to have to accept that because Hillary has won the Popular vote……………. you are going to hear this argument from the Left for 4 years. Like it or not they are going to keep saying it.
it’s an unknown since he won. Before the election the mindset was more along the lines of when Donald loses, how will we will have a peaceful transition. Well it turns out that maybe we should’ve said when HRC loses, how will we have a peaceful transition. People throwing tantrums and burning flags is the opposite of peaceful as I see it.
Im not saying I agree with it but Get used to hearing Illegitimate president because he didn’t win the majority of the vote. You cant change it
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view him as a Bush presidency–given by external forces-FBI/not supreme court this time and FOX with again not the majority–sick that our state CA has to pay for the ignorance of other states
look for the media to try to normalize this–to sooth it over
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By MELISSA KORN AND DOUGLAS BELKIN Nov 9, 2016 6:39 pm ET
Dozens of students at Cornell University gathered on a major campus thoroughfare for a cry-in to mourn the results of the 2016 presidential election Wednesday, with school staff providing tissues and hot chocolate.
At Tufts University, arts and crafts were on offer. And the University of Kansas reminded students via social media of the therapy dogs available for comfort every other Wednesday.
God help us……..
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Not that i want to get into a defending Ohio thing with kpack but you might be delusional. It’s been a beautiful year, still playing golf in November as we were last year. As far as outside of Columbus, stop by New Albany or Dublin to find some rather stately digs.
Ohio State setting the gold standard for dealing with student protesters. Leave the building or go to jail + get expelled.
[link=http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/ohio-state-turns-the-concept-of-safe-space-against-student-protesters/478221/]http://www.theatlantic.co…ent-protesters/478221/[/link] -
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Not that i want to get into a defending Ohio thing with kpack but you might be delusional. It’s been a beautiful year, still playing golf in November as we were last year. As far as outside of Columbus, stop by New Albany or Dublin to find some rather stately digs.
Ohio State setting the gold standard for dealing with student protesters. Leave the building or go to jail + get expelled.
[link=http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/ohio-state-turns-the-concept-of-safe-space-against-student-protesters/478221/]http://www.theatlantic.co…ent-protesters/478221/[/link]
I Lived right outside of New Albany took me a while to sell my House because it was so darn depressed. Easton was pretty nice but how many times can you go there? That area was OK but 3 seconds outside of town and you are in deliverance country. The restauraunts suck, they are all National chains and again the Weather is depressing as hello
Basically the weather absolutely sucks, the people view exercise as a sin, My friends and family would visit and call it the Ogre state because everyone looked like shrek
Aside from that………..there is no culture, everyone is encouraged to be the same and the food is totally gross (although Cleveland has some ethnicity which lends to some good cuisine)
And God the Weather was Depressing until June
Im glad some people like it but Personally I think it sucked and my wife claims will never step foot in the god forsaken state again
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The whole middle of this country scares me.
That attidude explains why so many people were suprised by the Trump win.
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What’s up with the goofy haircuts
Cargo shorts
And they cut their pizza funny
Not to mention cornhole and brats is their idea of a major party
…. and they still think Billie Joel and jimmy buffet are cool
I can keep going too if you want
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……..Not to mention in Ohio they are the only northern state wher 25% of the pick up trucks on the road have confederate flags on their back window
Wtf is that about?
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kpack casting off the shackles of reality. Anyhow I’m going to take some advice from Jay and get that dirt off my shoulder.
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I was in a really good group with some great people for a while and we did some good things and made each other a good living for my time there so I definitely appreciate the guys I worked with
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Really? You are defending Ohio’s honor? So, kpack does’t like Ohio. OK, his opinion. Many Republicans don’t like New York and California. Their loss. One AM poster evenargued to me that Conservatives had to fear for their physical safety in NYC. Even after I pointed out to him that Fox’s International headquarters is in NYC.
I don’t fear “fly-over” country, there are a lot of places I like. And I do like people of different backgrounds & politics. I don’t like Sarah Palin types, however. Stoopid is not an attractor except to other stoopids.
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Reality is there is nothing to defend. Hence you just gotta brush that dirt off your shoulder.
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hey Alaska is cold to but at least it’s really beautiful
What natural god made thing is beautiful in Ohio
Lake Erie smells like cat pee and the states has absolutely nothing else naturally beautiful in it
Flat ugly grey and cold and miserable for 8 months out of the year
Not to mention they are 10 yrs behind the rest of the country…. ok I will stop…. I just hate that fng state
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Some Yoda theory. Anger lead to hate and hate leads to the dark side. So as a hater that must mean you are angry you don’t live in Ohio.
And with that I’ll give you the deuces.
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hey Alaska is cold to but at least it’s really beautiful
What natural god made thing is beautiful in Ohio
Lake Erie smells like cat pee and the states has absolutely nothing else naturally beautiful in it
Flat ugly grey and cold and miserable for 8 months out of the year
Not to mention they are 10 yrs behind the rest of the country…. ok I will stop…. I just hate that fng state
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So? You need to arrange a “proper” way for them to get together? Something more to your liking? NRA giving a speech maybe on ways to address? A naked ice bath following a sweat sauna maybe is more suitable? Mortification of the flesh?
Who the hell cares if they bake cookies to get together to discuss their disappointment & what to do next.
They are involved, that’s what matters.
[link=http://cornellsun.com/2016/11/09/devastated-cornellians-mourn-election-of-donald-trump-at-cry-in/]http://cornellsun.com/201…onald-trump-at-cry-in/[/link]Over 50 Cornellians gathered on Ho Plaza this afternoon for a cry in to mourn in the aftermath of Donald Trumps shocking presidential victory.
Braving the cold, wind and occasional rain, Cornellians sat in a circle to share stories and console each other, organizers encouraging attendees to gather closer together and include each other.
Willard Straight Hall Resource Center employees gave out blankets, tissues and hot chocolate to keep participants warm.
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Yes, that was uncertain. We now know that there is a contingent of Hillary supporters who can’t abide by how democracy works. Lots of hate speech and violent rhetoric on those placards, ‘fvck Trump’ is one of the milder ones. ‘People have to die’, the burning of Trump effigies etc. We really need Hillary, Robby Mook and the democrat leadership in congress control those people 😉
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uncertain how Trump and his supporters would have behaved if they loss–I recall some saying grab guns/ he did not know if the system was rigged–so appreciate the grace HRC/President Obama showed-
Yes, that was uncertain. We now know that there is a contingent of Hillary supporters who can’t abide by how democracy works. Lots of hate speech and violent rhetoric on those placards, ‘fvck Trump’ is one of the milder ones. ‘People have to die’, the burning of Trump effigies etc. We really need Hillary, Robby Mook and the democrat leadership in congress control those people 😉
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I believe at this time–the GOP was huddled with Mitch on how President Obama would meet his waterloo–their way of protest–so the not my President/ Comey President have a right to devise their protest in the manner they want–
Huh? That doesn’t even make sense.
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Yes, that was uncertain. We now know that there is a contingent of Hillary supporters who can’t abide by how democracy works.
Um, that is democracy.
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A young white girl telling me that she is fearful of
her life because Trump was elected is a bit overly-dramatic
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Yes, that was uncertain. We now know that there is a contingent of Hillary supporters who can’t abide by how democracy works.
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Obama & Clinton asking for unity until Trump proves himself one way or the other.
The 1st time I heard, “He’s not MY President!” was by Bob Dole in right after Bill Clinton got elected in 1992. I heard it repeated many times for Obama’s terms.
It is still my opinion that Democrats should employ the identical tactics the Republicans used. They suffered nothing from it and in fact got rewarded. Democrats should do the same.
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As someone told me 4 and 8 years ago: Elections have consequences!
If Trump and the Republican Congressrepeal Dodd-Frans, repeals/replaces the more odious parts of Obamacare, lowers the corporate tax rate, repatriates American companies capital through tax incentives, seriously addresses illegal immigration and re-centers the Supreme Court, it will be good for the country and the economy.
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As someone told me 4 and 8 years ago: Elections have consequences!
You know, I just read that yesterday by someone who supported Trump & let’s recall what the Republicans thought of that, they pissed on it. So you can’t use it now. And by the same token, it is then legitimate for Democrats to use the identical tactics the Republicans used in answer to that statement.
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Democrats should follow the lessons taught by Republicans, no quarter. The 1st and only order of business is to make sure Trump has only, or less than a single term. Right?
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many Californian’s–are like why should our taxes pay for the poor bigoted red states–succession was abound on twitter
Good way to cut taxes. I live in a Blue state that pays out more than received. I’d like that tax cut & the Red States can live as they preach.
But like kpack’s book they do want a handout they just want to be angry about it.
The fact of the matter is that Democrats have tried to help with programs. Republicans have criticized the inner cities that have no viable businesses and jobs for the population and blame it on the population but what about the white rural areas that are deep in poverty and no employment possibilities? How do they get a free pass, are allowed to be angry while minorities in inner cities are not?
Read Kevin Williamson to know how Republicans really feel about this poor white segment of society, they despise them, yet these poor whites continue to support and flock to Republicans. What is it, a variation of Stockholm Syndrome?
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Not that i want to get into a defending Ohio thing with kpack but you might be delusional. It’s been a beautiful year, still playing golf in November as we were last year. As far as outside of Columbus, stop by New Albany or Dublin to find some rather stately digs.
Ohio State setting the gold standard for dealing with student protesters. Leave the building or go to jail + get expelled.
[link=http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/ohio-state-turns-the-concept-of-safe-space-against-student-protesters/478221/]http://www.theatlantic.co…ent-protesters/478221/[/link]
I Lived right outside of New Albany took me a while to sell my House because it was so darn depressed. Easton was pretty nice but how many times can you go there? That area was OK but 3 seconds outside of town and you are in deliverance country. The restauraunts suck, they are all National chains and again the Weather is depressing as hello
Basically the weather absolutely sucks, the people view exercise as a sin, My friends and family would visit and call it the Ogre state because everyone looked like shrek
Aside from that………..there is no culture, everyone is encouraged to be the same and the food is totally gross (although Cleveland has some ethnicity which lends to some good cuisine)
And God the Weather was Depressing until June
Im glad some people like it but Personally I think it sucked and my wife claims will never step foot in the god forsaken state again
What can I say. Haters gonna hate but you’re so clearly out of touch with reality that if you keep spinning you might just fly off the planet.
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If Ohio was such a great place to live it wouldn’t be shedding population yearly
Ohio has consistently gained population, FWIW.
[link]http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html[/link]-
Facts. What you talking bout Willis?
I know it’s not the super moon yet but my window faces west and wow what a clear night and awesome looking moon tonight. Shining bright over the beautiful fall colors. Yellow walnut trees, sunburst elms, red maples. Amazing view from the armpit.
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Not to mention they are 10 yrs behind the rest of the country…. ok I will stop…. I just hate that fng state
Someone from OH stole your girlfriend?
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No just 15 yrs of hearing my wife complain….. out of all the places in the country, why do we have live here
I guess I did go overboard but it took me a while to realize how important it is that you like where you live
It makes life a lot better
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Hahahaha
No just 15 yrs of hearing my wife complain….. out of all the places in the country, why do we have live here
I guess I did go overboard but it took me a while to realize how important it is that you like where you live
It makes life a lot better
Where do you live now (generally speaking)?…I’m from the tristate area and now live in northern cali but did live in Columbus, thought it was pretty decent but agree that you’re in deliverance country 3 minutes out!
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My primary residence is Belleair Beach florida. Wake up to the GUlf of Mexico every day. It is a little beach town between Clearwater beach and St Pete
I live 3 houses south of Hulk Hogan who is a very interesting character. Also we have a condo in Downtown St Pete for a couple weekends a month
I guess Columbus was OK for most. Basically after living in ohio for a few years my wife really developed that seasonal affective disorder………… Pretty much 8 months of greyness will do that to a person. I guess Me working like a dog didn’t help matters much either.
Needless say Semi retired in 2011 GTF out of Ohio and honestly was the best thing we could have done
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My primary residence is Belleair Beach florida. Wake up to the GUlf of Mexico every day. It is a little beach town between Clearwater beach and St Pete
Plenty of deliverance country and ogres in FL once you leave your little bubble.
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Oh Florida definitely has its Share of Crazies. There is no doubt about that.
Deliverance Country? Yeah Northern Florida especially the nearer that you get towards the Pan Handle, I can see that.
Ogres…. No not Florida. Ogres are confined mainly to the Midwest……….. Cornbred cornfed they used to say……….. all red faced and chubby with their weird arse identicle haircuts and everybody related to everyone else. Just weird as all get out. …. And seriously 10 frickin years behind the times too. The entire state.
And about Ohio in General… Its just frickin ugly. Ugly weather Ugly state. No natural beauty. No mountains…. Just flat grey and drab. Has to be the Ugliest state in the Union.
Me personally I prefer the Gulf coast Pinellas county all the way down to Marco Island. Just my Thing I guess
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All that talk and you are from Florida. The state with a dedicated @FloridaMan twitter handle. The state where you need to have double max car insurance.
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Isn’t Tampa home to the worst rads groups in the country in terms of ethics? Full of snakes I hear.
You may be right about that. However the bay area and surrounding areas have several really solid groups and even quite a few solo small successful outpatient practices Including Imaging IR/Imaging.
Most likely you will make more money as a Rad elsewhere……………….. But after you make your money….. this is an outstanding place to spend it.
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And about Ohio in General… Its just frickin ugly. Ugly weather Ugly state. No natural beauty. No mountains…. Just flat grey and drab. Has to be the Ugliest state in the Union.
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And about Ohio in General… Its just frickin ugly. Ugly weather Ugly state. No natural beauty. No mountains…. Just flat grey and drab. Has to be the Ugliest state in the Union.
Tell me about the Florida mountains.
My point was most every state has some natural beauty. Florida has its beaches and the everglades and the Keys
West Virginia and Kentucky and Tennesee has their mountains and other natural beauty.
Parts of the West coast and central to northern east coast have Mountains and oceans
Ohio has no natural beauty. Its just ugly and flat and grey and depressing.
If you like it more power to you. You can have it-
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My point was most every state has some natural beauty. Florida has its beaches and the everglades and the Keys
West Virginia and Kentucky and Tennesee has their mountains and other natural beauty.
Sounds to me like you never looked. The southeastern part of the state has the same hills as KY or TN. Got to be careful though, it’s all ‘deliverance country’ and unsuspecting city dwellers may end up as someones girlfriend if they just take a wrong turn.
I usually just go to Cleveland to visit friends. I can land at an airport right downtown and walk to the marina where their boat is berthed. The river hasn’t caught fire lately and once you go out a mile or 20 the catpiss smell subsides. Sure, in february its frozen tundra, but that is just a function of latitude. That’s what you have a condo in FL for.
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My point was most every state has some natural beauty. Florida has its beaches and the everglades and the Keys
West Virginia and Kentucky and Tennesee has their mountains and other natural beauty.
Sounds to me like you never looked. The southeastern part of the state has the same hills as KY or TN. Got to be careful though, it’s all ‘deliverance country’ and unsuspecting city dwellers may end up as someones girlfriend if they just take a wrong turn.
I usually just go to Cleveland to visit friends. I can land at an airport right downtown and walk to the marina where their boat is berthed. The river hasn’t caught fire lately and once you go out a mile or 20 the catpiss smell subsides. Sure, in february its frozen tundra, but that is just a function of latitude. That’s what you have a condo in FL for.
Bull Sheet. I grew up in the Western PA Mountains. The Southeastern part of Ohio is Puke and I mean Puke.
As far as your love for Cleveland………..The mistake by the lake……….HAHAHA I will let that statement stand
Like I said, Im glad you like it and you can have it because my eyes will never see that desolate place again
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My primary residence is Belleair Beach florida. Wake up to the GUlf of Mexico every day. It is a little beach town between Clearwater beach and St Pete
I live 3 houses south of Hulk Hogan who is a very interesting character. Also we have a condo in Downtown St Pete for a couple weekends a month
I guess Columbus was OK for most. Basically after living in ohio for a few years my wife really developed that seasonal affective disorder………… Pretty much 8 months of greyness will do that to a person. I guess Me working like a dog didn’t help matters much either.
Needless say Semi retired in 2011 GTF out of Ohio and honestly was the best thing we could have done
I am somewhat familiar with that area, its very nice…wifes’ family has a condo in Siesta Keys which is consistently one of the top rated beaches in the country, water is clean and sand is like baby powder
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Hahahaha
No just 15 yrs of hearing my wife complain….. out of all the places in the country, why do we have live here
I guess I did go overboard but it took me a while to realize how important it is that you like where you live
It makes life a lot better
Actually, living where your wife wants to live is what makes life a lot better.
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Hahahaha
No just 15 yrs of hearing my wife complain….. out of all the places in the country, why do we have live here
I guess I did go overboard but it took me a while to realize how important it is that you like where you live
It makes life a lot better
[i]Happy Wife Happy life…….[/i]
Or to be more accurate:
[i]Ain’t mamma happy ain’t NOBODY happy…[/i]………..
Having said that Cleveland looked like a tough town a couple of years ago.
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Yes Siesta keys has an awesome beach with about 200 yards of nice clean white sand
If you are in the area and like really pristine untouched beaches go to Caladesi Island. Its just north of Clearwater………. From Siesta Key its probably and hour
You can get to it one of 2 ways. Take a boat from Honeymoon island or you can Kayak about 1/3 of mile directly from the causeway. Its really cool because it is Pristine and untouched and its a great place to take kids because there is a lot of natural Wild life and sea turtle nests and a lot of things to explore
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Yes Siesta keys has an awesome beach with about 200 yards of nice clean white sand
If you are in the area and like really pristine untouched beaches go to Caladesi Island. Its just north of Clearwater………. From Siesta Key its probably and hour
You can get to it one of 2 ways. Take a boat from Honeymoon island or you can Kayak about 1/3 of mile directly from the causeway. Its really cool because it is Pristine and untouched and its a great place to take kids because there is a lot of natural Wild life and sea turtle nests and a lot of things to explore
Almost like a best kept secret but it is an amazing untouched and basically free place to spend a day or two at.
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Love the hate.
Geologically speaking Ohio compresses northwest to south east forming part of the Ogre mountain chain.
The lake does stink though. It’s never even been thoroughly lubricated by BP.
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Yes Siesta keys has an awesome beach with about 200 yards of nice clean white sand
If you are in the area and like really pristine untouched beaches go to Caladesi Island. Its just north of Clearwater………. From Siesta Key its probably and hour
You can get to it one of 2 ways. Take a boat from Honeymoon island or you can Kayak about 1/3 of mile directly from the causeway. Its really cool because it is Pristine and untouched and its a great place to take kids because there is a lot of natural Wild life and sea turtle nests and a lot of things to explore
Almost like a best kept secret but it is an amazing untouched and basically free place to spend a day or two at.
sounds nice, thanks for the tip….since you’re from western PA, are you familiar with the souther Tier of NY? Thats pretty depressing country on many levels
Ive been to buffalo a few times. Im actually from Southwestern PA but To answer the question No I have not spent much time in that part of New York-
He says he will push for a constitutional amendment putting in place term limits for Congress — he will be the greatest prez ever if he pulls that off.
also wants to repeal dodd frank and replace it with a modern version of glass stegal. another good idea.
also want to keep the pre-exsisting conditions part and kids on parents insurance until 26 parts of obamacare.
hate to say it but maybe he is not as crazy as people hoped. time will tell.
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He says he will push for a constitutional amendment putting in place term limits for Congress — he will be the greatest prez ever if he pulls that off.
also wants to repeal dodd frank and replace it with a modern version of glass stegal. another good idea.
also want to keep the pre-exsisting conditions part and kids on parents insurance until 26 parts of obamacare.
hate to say it but maybe he is not as crazy as people hoped. time will tell.
Easier to repeal and replace or amend?
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[link=http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/12/15/package-stolen-from-hulk-hogans-front-porch.html]http://www.foxnews.com/en…ogans-front-porch.html[/link]
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My primary residence is Belleair Beach florida. Wake up to the GUlf of Mexico every day. It is a little beach town between Clearwater beach and St Pete
I live 3 houses south of Hulk Hogan who is a very interesting character. Also we have a condo in Downtown St Pete for a couple weekends a month
I guess Columbus was OK for most. Basically after living in ohio for a few years my wife really developed that seasonal affective disorder………… Pretty much 8 months of greyness will do that to a person. I guess Me working like a dog didn’t help matters much either.
Needless say Semi retired in 2011 GTF out of Ohio and honestly was the best thing we could have done
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He usually has his dog Outside. Must have not that day.
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Something Trump and Hogan have in common, both WWE hall of famers. Here’s the clip when Stone Cold gave him the stunner
[link=https://youtu.be/UTtfVOyVsf0]https://youtu.be/UTtfVOyVsf0[/link]
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If you ever go to Clearwater beach he has his own store there on one of the main strips. There is a big life like statue of him in the front and he has highlights of his career playing on TV’s 24-7.
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I’d of guessed The Rock, he’s the flavor of the moment. I got to see Hulk lose to Yokozuna in ’93 in Dayton. It was King of the Ring the day after my birthday. Parents got tickets.
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THis is actually funny and kind Ironic
I don’t know how familiar you are with old school WWF but Just about an hour ago a friend of mine who I grew up with sent me a picture of himself and George the Animal Steele……………… My friend is a Roofing contractor and he was working on his roof today and Got a picture of him and The Animal
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I can’t say I was Animal fan but I remember him fighting Hulk also.
I hate to break the bubble – they weren’t actually fighting. Its all a big choreographed act for the masses……… Which brings us back to Trump’s promises………. There are several similarities to WWE………….
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Remember all that talk about Mexico paying for the wall. Nope. [url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/border-wall-house-republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/index.html] it turns out Trump wants the txpayers to pay for it[/url]. Sad.
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Suckers born every minute & Trump will be there to serve them. And fleece them. (bleet!)
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Cracks starting to form even before inauguration
One thing about Trump is he keeps things interesting
Should be entertaining watching a 4 yr reality show
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Coal not so much but if he gets that massive infrastructure spending bill, we better be buying made in the USA steel, bricks and mortar.
Hot off the presses today:
Politico: [url=http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-infrastructure-plan-gop-233253][b]GOP leaders slow-walk Trump’s infrastructure plan[/b][/url]
Donald Trumps campaign promise of a $1 trillion infrastructure package is beginning to fade on Capitol Hill, crowded out by other priorities on GOP leaders wish lists.
The president-elects bold talk about creating millions of jobs while making Americas roads, bridges and airports second to none is turning into an afterthought for congressional Republicans who have spent eight years wrangling over debt limits and bemoaning President Barack Obama’s $832 billion stimulus. In a radio appearance Wednesday where he outlined the GOP’s 200-day agenda, House Speaker Paul Ryan ticked off typical red-meat issues such as repealing Obamacare, overhauling the tax code and easing regulations, before finally tossing in a nod to “the infrastructure package, which is something President-elect Trump added to our agenda, which were happy to do.”
Vice President-elect Mike Pence had a similarly lukewarm message at a news conference with Senate GOP leaders. “We’ll have an infrastructure bill,” he said Wednesday, but “the first order of business” is repealing and replacing Obamacare.
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Coal not so much but if he gets that massive infrastructure spending bill, we better be buying made in the USA steel, bricks and mortar.
Hot off the presses today:
Politico: [url=http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-infrastructure-plan-gop-233253][b]GOP leaders slow-walk Trump’s infrastructure plan[/b][/url]
These idiots need to be careful. He can do the infrastructure plan without them. Throw the democrats some bones, union protections and some personal bribes and this will happen without the idiot republican leaders.
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the economy is dependent on so many other things: health care/ computer/IT-if u blow up one part then all things get affected and everything comes falling down
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Coal not so much but if he gets that massive infrastructure spending bill, we better be buying made in the USA steel, bricks and mortar.
Hot off the presses today:
Politico: [link=http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-infrastructure-plan-gop-233253][b]GOP leaders slow-walk Trump’s infrastructure plan[/b][/link]
Donald Trumps campaign promise of a $1 trillion infrastructure package is beginning to fade on Capitol Hill, crowded out by other priorities on GOP leaders wish lists.
The president-elects bold talk about creating millions of jobs while making Americas roads, bridges and airports second to none is turning into an afterthought for congressional Republicans who have spent eight years wrangling over debt limits and bemoaning President Barack Obama’s $832 billion stimulus. In a radio appearance Wednesday where he outlined the GOP’s 200-day agenda, House Speaker Paul Ryan ticked off typical red-meat issues such as repealing Obamacare, overhauling the tax code and easing regulations, before finally tossing in a nod to “the infrastructure package, which is something President-elect Trump added to our agenda, which were happy to do.”
Vice President-elect Mike Pence had a similarly lukewarm message at a news conference with Senate GOP leaders. “We’ll have an infrastructure bill,” he said Wednesday, but “the first order of business” is repealing and replacing Obamacare.
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Obama did infrastructure and the one key–u had to be shovel ready immediately
And that wa a real and true failing of the plan. (That and the tax cuts that weren’t heralded in any way but that just blended into regular pay … no psychological bonus of a “windfall”)
Obama was trying to do infrastructure as stimulus in 2009. In 2017 the US economy does not need stimulus. We have a solid labor market, are near full employment and are seeing wage growth.
The argument for stimulus today isn’t that it will be a boost to [i]today’s[/i] economy. Instead, the argument is that a well planned infrastructure program will be a boost to US long-term economic competitiveness and will bring about growth in the [i]future[/i].-
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Obama did infrastructure and the one key–u had to be shovel ready immediately
And that wa a real and true failing of the plan. (That and the tax cuts that weren’t heralded in any way but that just blended into regular pay … no psychological bonus of a “windfall”)
Obama was trying to do infrastructure as stimulus in 2009. In 2017 the US economy does not need stimulus. We have a solid labor market, are near full employment and are seeing wage growth.
The argument for stimulus today isn’t that it will be a boost to [i]today’s[/i] economy. Instead, the argument is that a well planned infrastructure program will be a boost to US long-term economic competitiveness and will bring about growth in the [i]future[/i].
my anecdote on Obama shovel readiness. We used to drive and see some relatives who live in PA. They paved SR422 all new blacktop. When the TARP stuff hit I remember that they put up signs, ‘brought to you by TARP’, and they re-paved it again. I just remember thinking to myself ‘what the hell are they thinking’. It was a colossal waste of money just to redo the same work. They paved a perfectly smooth road just to do a TARP project.-
Obamas stimulus was not successful because he gave much of the money directly to states
The states in turn just used the money to balance their budgets for a year
That was one of his biggest mistakes
If he would have made sure the money went to infrastructure projects the recovery would have been faster and stronger
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the reason President Obama wanted shovel ready was to make sure states used that money for the appropriate reason–he did not want them to take it–hold it for future ambiguous projects or as stated prior to use the money to balance their budget–look at Christie with Sandy money
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my anecdote on Obama shovel readiness. We used to drive and see some relatives who live in PA. They paved SR422 all new blacktop. When the TARP stuff hit I remember that they put up signs, ‘brought to you by TARP’, and they re-paved it again. I just remember thinking to myself ‘what the hell are they thinking’. It was a colossal waste of money just to redo the same work. They paved a perfectly smooth road just to do a TARP project.
1st thing, TARP had nothing to do with “shovel ready.” TARP was actually started by Paulsen & Bush & finished by Obama.
Turn off Fox please.
[link=http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/was-tarp-passed-under-bush-or-obama/]http://www.pewresearch.or…d-under-bush-or-obama/[/link]-
I get most of my news from Twitter.
I’m probably using the wrong bailout program but never the less most people have probably seen those signs around road work projects at the time. Brought to you by the bailout du jour.-
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I get most of my news from Twitter.
I’m probably using the wrong bailout program but never the less most people have probably seen those signs around road work projects at the time. Brought to you by the bailout du jour.
That explains a lot. Might as well get your news from Facebook.
Let’s close all the schools & provide every schoolkid with a Twit account, what more does anyone need.
Not only the wrong “bailout” program but you attribute TARP to Obama when it was started by Paulsen & Bush. Not exactly a minor error in fact.
As for your “bailout du jours,” you have any in particular in mind that you didn’t like? The Stimulus was also started by the Bush Administration and continued by the Obama Administration. You didn’t like that the Stimulus was over 40% in tax cuts and actual checks form the government for people in your tax bracket to help tide them over the Great Recession?
Maybe the problem was austerity forced by Republicans that kept the economy down. Have you considered that?
[link]https://www.thebalance.com/stimulus-checks-3305750[/link]
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/opinion/sunday/what-the-stimulus-accomplished.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…ulus-accomplished.html[/link]
Of all the myths and falsehoods that Republicans have spread about President Obama, the most pernicious and long-lasting is that the $832 billion stimulus package did not work. Since 2009, Republican lawmakers have inextricably linked the words failed and stimulus, and last week, five years after passage of the Recovery Act, they dusted off their old playbook again.
The stimulus could have done more good had it been bigger and more carefully constructed. But put simply, it prevented a second recession that could have turned into a depression. It created or saved an average of 1.6 million jobs a year for four years. (There are the jobs, Mr. Boehner.) It raised the nations economic output by 2 to 3 percent from 2009 to 2011. It prevented a significant increase in poverty without it, 5.3 million additional people would have become poor in 2010.And yet Republicans were successful in discrediting the very idea that federal spending can boost the economy and raise employment. They made the argument that the stimulus was a failure not just to ensure that Mr. Obama would get no credit for the recovery that did occur, but to justify their obstruction of all further attempts at stimulus.
This enabled Republicans to champion an austerity policy that produced deep reductions in discretionary spending, undoing many of the gains begun in 2009. The result has been a post-stimulus recovery that remains weak and struggling, undermining an economic legacy that should be seen as a remarkable accomplishment.
[link]http://taxfoundation.org/blog/fiscal-stimulus-2009[/link]
With the economy now in recession since December 2007 and shedding nearly two million jobs during this time, the new Administration is quite sensibly focused on how to best get the economy moving again. It has put forward an economic stimulus package of more than $800 billion composed primarily of higher spending, but also with tax cuts.
It should be noted that this stimulus package is the third round of stimulus in less than twelve months. The first round, the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008, enacted in February of last year, was sized at about $150 billion. Round two consisted of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, providing $700 billion in funding for the TARP to deal with the problems in the financial sector and another roughly $100 billion in tax cuts.
Could it have been done better? Yes.
Could it have been more timely? Yes.
Could it have been larger? Yes.
Would larger have produced better results? Likely.
Was it a wasted of effort and money? Definitely not unless you wanted the economy and recovery to be worse.
You have some Twitter opinions that refute these analysis?
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I get most of my news from Twitter…….
That explains a lot. Might as well get your news from Facebook……..
I think you don’t understand Twitter. You can follow your favorite writers and news sources who will Tweet links to news columns etc…. Like I follow Jason LaCanfora for Football news who happened to RT a link to the FEC.gov that apparently the Federal Elections Commission sent Trump a 250 page letter listing what appear to be illegal campaign contributions. Not seeing that on Cnn.com right now.
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Not sure I see the difference since one can do much the same on Facebook.
I’ve found much more misinformation and propaganda and topic skimming on social media than I do on traditional media and social media is more prone to abuse from trolls, IMO.
I can understand Twitter for live events as they happen but for more in depth, I’ll do more traditional analysis that not on the fly and trending.Social media can be like reading the comments section, lots of invective, less or little information.
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