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Trump Legacy
I used to hold out that maybe history would be minimally kind and judge Trump slightly better than James Buchannan or Andrew Johnson. But I think yesterday cemented it …
[b]The Worst President In History[/b][/h1]
[link=https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1347163099351154690]John Avlon[/link]: There is now no question that Donald Trump will go down as the worst president in American history.
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His legacy will be that of the catalyst that destroyed the GOP
Just look at the Election data. trump has inspired former ambivalent voters to turn out in record numbers: meanwhile, Georgia showed that GOP turnout plummets when trump isnt on the ticket
The political ads write themselves after yesterday
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His legacy will be that of the catalyst that destroyed the GOP
Just look at the Election data. trump has inspired former ambivalent voters to turn out in record numbers: meanwhile, Georgia showed that GOP turnout plummets when trump isnt on the ticket. A Deep South GOP stronghold just lost two incumbents seats to a black man and a 33 year Jewish candidate with no political experience
I dont see the trend reversing, The political ads will write themselves after yesterday for years to come
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I used to hold out that maybe history would be minimally kind and judge Trump slightly better than James Buchannan or Andrew Johnson. But I think yesterday cemented it …
[b]The Worst President In History[/b]
[link=https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1347163099351154690]John Avlon[/link]: There is now no question that Donald Trump will go down as the worst president in American history.This was an attempted coup, encouraged by the President designed to stop the peaceful transfer of power.
I agree 100%.
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I still have a single major problem with the assessment. It’s being made by us “elites.”
Reality is still that 71 million citizens voted for Trump to be reelected, many more than voted for him in 2016. And this is after 4 years of his incompetence and grift and lying and appointing incompetent and/or corrupt lackies. What more does it take?
As it is this morning, even after yesterday’s attempted putsch led by an ignorant Republican mob on the streets AND in Congress, the majority of Republicans will still support TRump and TRumpism.
Oh yes, and there is a special ring of hell for those “religious” Evangelicals people who excused every corruption of TRump’s because they got their judges. Those Jesus people would vote for Trump today I’d bet. Just as Jesus said in the Bible, hate thy neighbor, hate the poor, hate the different. Hate the libs.
History will rule against Trump’s legacy after those fools die off. But like poverty, the fools will always be with us.
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A wise man once told me
Son
People are stupid
But by god I never realized just how stupid they are
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“It would be a shame if history allows one horrific event on this presidents watch to overshadow all the other horrific events on this presidents watch.” ~ Stephen Colbert
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[h1]Trumps legacythe shame and the opportunity[/h1] [b]The invasion of the Capitol and the Democrats victory in Georgia will change the course of the Biden presidency
“[/b]The Capitol violence pretended to be a show of power. In fact it masked two defeats. While Mr Trumps supporters were breaking and entering, Congress was certifying the results of the presidents incontrovertible loss in November. While the mob was smashing windows, Democrats were celebrating a pair of unlikely victories in Georgia that will give them control of the Senate. The mobs grievances will reverberate through the Republican Party as it finds itself in opposition. And that will have consequences for the presidency of Joe Biden, which begins on January 20th.”
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How would the 2016 election have turned out if Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio ran against Hillary?
If the GOP cant find another trump like figure that can boost their votes by another 5%, I dont see a path for them.
Midterms, special elections and runoffs have shown us that trumpism is not easily replicated by standard politicians. You think dual Ivy League educated republicans like Hawley are gonna be able to rile up the gun toting masses in rural America?
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How would the 2016 election have turned out if Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio ran against Hillary?
If the GOP cant find another trump like figure that can boost their votes by another 5%, I dont see a path for them.
Midterms, special elections and runoffs have shown us that trumpism is not easily replicated by standard politicians. You think dual Ivy League educated republicans like Hawley are gonna be able to rile up the gun toting masses in rural America?
Yeah. This is what David Frum has referred to as the GOP “cul-de-sac”
They are driving toward a dead end ahead. They can keep going forward, but that requires winning an ever greater share of the white vote through nationalist or even racist rhetoric (which turns off moderate voters ) while simultaneously working to suppress the votes of growing demographics.
With gerrymandering in the House, population distribution self-selection at the state level in the Senate, and the 3% ish popular vote advantage they have in the electoral college, the party can continue to govern as a minority party.
But at some point … who knows when … there will have to be a reckoning.-
I’m still surprised he beat Hillary. The electoral college came through for him in 2016.
there’s a big difference in the partisanship between older folks and younger folks. Gen X and Millennial being the more democrat and liberal democrat generations. The boomers and silent gens aint gonna live forever. So it really is like a dead end for the GOP.
The state races really are important because of the gerrymandering. Unless there was some kind of way to reform that and get rid of meandering. Ohio is one state that really sucks.
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Worst. President. Ever.
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Jim Acosta: [i]Source close to VP says Pence wants to spend remaining days in office letting the world know the US government remains operational. “Need to telegraph to our allies and adversaries that we have a fully functioning government,” the source said.[/i]
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Trump has been MIA for a while now. They post a daily schedule thats just says something like hes busy in meeting and phone calls all day. Its a joke.
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We squandered the best opportunity we had on North KoreaWith Putin we didnt get anything done. Were nowhere with China on national security. Were in a worse place today than we were before he came in, and I didnt think that was possible.
Former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, quoted by [link=https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/11/rex-tillerson-interview-trump/]Foreign Policy[/link], on President Trumps foreign policy legacy.
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A mea culpa for something most people have known & realized all these past 4 years.
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Biden should publish the love letters between Trump on Kim Ding Dong.
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He won’t.
Besides the primary problem is not making Republicans & specifically his core recognize his incompetence as some already have. The rest believe it is just Lefty Socialist Democrats piling on & will ignore it all regardless of anything and everything. Fer chrissakes, they believe Trump actually won the election so how do you penetrate ignorance that deep and hard? Fer chrissakes, they believe Biden is a Communist! Yet not Putin, he’s a STRONG leader.
I repeat, how does one penetrate ignorance that deep and hard?
It’s as much the right-wing media spreading lies that is as much a problem if not more of a problem than TRump. That media was here before TRump & will remain spreading lies and propaganda long after Trump is a bad memory.-
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He won’t.
Besides the primary problem is not making Republicans & specifically his core recognize his incompetence as some already have. The rest believe it is just Lefty Socialist Democrats piling on & will ignore it all regardless of anything and everything. Fer chrissakes, they believe Trump actually won the election so how do you penetrate ignorance that deep and hard? Fer chrissakes, they believe Biden is a Communist! Yet not Putin, he’s a STRONG leader.
I repeat, how does one penetrate ignorance that deep and hard?
It’s as much the right-wing media spreading lies that is as much a problem if not more of a problem than TRump. That media was here before TRump & will remain spreading lies and propaganda long after Trump is a bad memory.
Great point/question. I think its sorta like trying to convince a devout (fill-in-the-blank religion) that their whole belief system/life outlook is flawed or build on a lie. At some point many people are too invested and cannot self-reflect/change.-
Couple of thoughts from an independent.
1. Trumpian style personalities will not make an appearance in the republican party any time soon. They will make every effort over the next few years to try and dissociate from him.
2. On the other hand, Trumps base generally views the capitol riots as a success, and as a template for future insurrections. The banning of Trump from twitter and the banning of Parler only fanned those flames.
3. Independents/moderates generally view the riots throughout the summer and the capitol riots as two different manifestations of the same disease: extremism and emotion based decision making becoming the dominant force in America. Of course Trump was a primary contributor to this, but plenty of politicians on the left also helped to fan the flames on the other side. AOC, Ilhan Omar etc.
3. Biden’s win was not lucky or simply a vote against Trump. People voted for him on the hope that he would bring down the temperature, take care of the pandemic, restart the economy, and address problems that the average American cares about. It remains to be seen if he can stick to these goals, or will be pushed to a more hard left, given the leanings of the most forceful personalities in his party.
4. The Democratic party has a huge advantage in the immediate future, but huge liabilities down the road. Trump losing in some ways was a huge gift for the republican party, because it gives them a chance to rebuild/refocus without having to deal with him. Granted many politicians are closely associated with him, and I suspect many will be purged. The memory of Trump will slowly fade, but many of the politicians that were his ideological counter in the democratic party remain. I see some of these people as out of touch with the working class voter. Examples of this include student loan forgiveness, expensive climate change legislation, universal basic income and open border immigration policies. The down ballot elections may be a harbinger of things to come…
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Re 1) I agree that the GOP will distance from Trump. In fact, I predict he will not speak at the 2024 RNC convention. However, “Trumpian voices,” (with Trumpism roughly defined as a nationalist hard line anti-immigrant, intentionally divisive politics tinged with lots of falsehood and conspiracy theories) will still be a major factor. Whether or not it continues to win out in the GOP or becomes a fringe remains to be seen.
Re 2) Yeah. I think we are in for a rough ride with the potential for a lot of right wing white nationalist political terrorism. The FBI is going to have its work cut out.
Re 3) I am very hopeful that the Senate at 50/50 winds up being the “just right” temperature for the porridge. I just can’t see how it’s even possible to push Biden too far left when he can’t lose a single vote. (I just posted about the relief plan he put out last night. It’s good… but obviously built for compromise.)
Re 4) I agree that the Democratic coalition (educated whites, blacks, most latinos, young people) is a challenge. I’ve written a lot about the intrinsic advantage the GOP has in the American political structure. (Gerrymander in the House, small state and self-sorting advantage in the Senate and EC) . I don’t think the Dems have any present advantage at all. They need to win by 5% to squeak out a majority.
We are in the midst of a political realignment. I wish I knew what the electoral map of 2028 will look like. The change has been so fast. (Think of the Dakotas which went from total D state-level in 2000 to deepest red in just 15 years.) The 3 biggest questions for me: Can Dems appeal to enough working class whites to hold any of the upper midwest (Does WI go Red… does MN go purple) ? And can the GOP get a large enough share of Latinos to compete in the Sun Belt? And how aggressive/successful will the GOP be in rolling back easy voting access? -
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4. Trump losing in some ways was a huge gift for the republican party, because it gives them a chance to rebuild/refocus without having to deal with him.You mean it relieves them of the responsibility to actually govern; it gives them the ability to revert to be the Loyal Opposition, throwing bricks at people who are actually trying to govern and improve the condition of the nation.
The oldish saying, if you can’t do it, you can always criticize others who try. The GOP’s only skill.-
The reality is that both major parties are loosely held coalitions. The game is trying to band together a coalition that will get you the votes. The “Trump” republican was the dominant force of recent years. I suspect that this will change after the capitol riots. The Democrats grabbed a lot of suburbanites who could go either way in the coming years depending on how far left the party moves. I live in a Suburb that went convincingly to Biden. They would have probably voted for Trump despite all of his baggage if Bernie Sanders had been the candidate.
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Which says what about their beliefs? Bernie is a worse devil than Trump? Angry GrandPa vs the guy who believes there are good people in the Proud Bois and white supremacists. The “evil” of social spending proposals vs just evil.
Gimme a break.
Fantasyland living in the Fox and Rush unreality.-
It comes down to what people value most, and eventually everyone votes with their pocketbook. A lot of wealthy liberals believe in a good chunk of “progressive policies”, but still want to drive land rovers and have a designer kitchen. Bernie Sanders taxation policies would at least mildly directly affect this lifestyle, whereas Joe Biden’s in its current state would not.
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That does seem to be the reality, evil taxes vs evil president with tax cuts, evil president wins.
American democracy shows the way.
Priorities have certainly gone south since Reagan.
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Call me an idealist but I believe there are more important things than lower taxes.
“What’s the matter with Kansas” is not a guide to better government as things in Kansas have shown over the years when the state government had to sell sex toys to pay for school funding.
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The echo chamber example here is phenomenal. Thanks for that, guys.
Gasmasspsoas? Good contribution. I think we’re the only ones that aren’t trying to send others to a gulag for the way they think. -
Shut up and pay your debt
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No one listens to a lying welcher
Pay up and earn an ounce of respect
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Karl Rove: “Trump is acting selfishly, unwisely and unpatriotically[color=”#4d5156″].”[/color]
[color=”#4d5156”]I don’t know the Latin translation, but I think “Selfish, Unwise, Unpatriotic” should be Trump motto emblazoned on their family crest.[/color]
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[h1][b]The Worst President in History[/b][/h1]
[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/trump-worst-president-history/617730/]Tim Naftali[/link]: Trump was a serial violator of his oathas evidenced by his continual use of his office for personal financial gainbut focusing on three crucial ways in which he betrayed it helps clarify his singular historical status. First, he failed to put the national-security interests of the United States ahead of his own political needs. Second, in the face of a devastating pandemic, he was grossly derelict, unable or unwilling to marshal the requisite resources to save lives while actively encouraging public behavior that spread the disease. And third, held to account by voters for his failures, he refused to concede defeat and instead instigated an insurrection, stirring a mob that stormed the Capitol.
Many chief executives have failed, in one way or another, to live up to the demands of the job, or to competently discharge them. But historians now tend to agree that our worst presidents are those who fall short in the second part of their pledge, in some way endangering the Constitution. And if you want to understand why these three failures make Trump the worst of all our presidents, the place to begin is in the basement of the presidential rankings, where dwell his rivals for that singular dishonor.
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Ramesh Ponnuru
[h3][link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-01-19/trump-turned-republicans-into-losers?srnd=premium]Trump Turned Republicans Into Losers[/link][/h3]Even among Republicans who recognize that Trump lost a legitimate election and thats a minority of his voters many still think he had a positive impact on the party, all told. He won over some voters who had not backed Republicans consistently before, and some of them may stay. He may have led the party out of a libertarian cul-de-sac it had been going down during the years when President Barack Obama occupied the White House. He will leave office with Republicans within striking distance of majorities in the Senate and House of Representatives, which is more than either of the Presidents Bush could say.
On the other hand, Trump is [link=https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/politics/trump-losses-analysis/index.html]the first president since Herbert Hoover[/link] to see his party lose the presidency, the House and the Senate in four years. He certainly holds the prize for the biggest political losses that could have been avoided. If not for his post-election tantrum, which depressed conservative turnout in a state that has become competitive, Republicans would [link=https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/01/the-gops-avoidable-defeat-in-georgia/]still have control[/link] of the Senate.
Republicans who are unhappy that the Democrats are about to have unified control of the elected branches of the federal government, however tenuous that control, should be angrier at Trump, and at those who indulged his worst instincts, than they are at Senator Mitt Romney, his most consistent Republican critic. And they should pick their next leader using different criteria than they did their last one, for their own sake if not for their countrys.
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My guess is the first thing history will mention is the riots. And rightly so. Tax reform doesnt offset armed insurrection.
Mick Mulvaney, quoted by the [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-faces-uncertain-future-as-he-leaves-white-house-11611157651]Wall Street Journal[/link], on Donald Trumps legacy.
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Tax reform. LOL.
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My guess is the first thing history will mention is the riots. And rightly so. Tax reform doesnt offset armed insurrection.
Mick Mulvaney, quoted by the [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-faces-uncertain-future-as-he-leaves-white-house-11611157651]Wall Street Journal[/link], on Donald Trumps legacy.
Wow. Mick actually steps up.
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[h1][b]U.S. Economy Shrank by 3.5% in Trump’s Last Year[/b][/h1]
The U.S. economy shrank by 3.5 percent last year as the novel coronavirus upended American business and households, making 2020 the worst year for U.S. economic growth since the depths of the Great Recession, the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/28/gdp-2020-economy-recession/]Washington Post[/link] reports.
This is the last GDP report from former president Donald Trumps tenure. Until the pandemic, Trump was on track for an economic record that put him near the middle of the pack among recent presidents. But the covid-19 crisis has ensured that he is likely to have overseen the slowest economic growth of any president in the period since the Second World War.
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U.S. Economy Shrank by 3.5% in Trump’s Last Year[/b]
The U.S. economy shrank by 3.5 percent last year as the novel coronavirus upended American business and households, making 2020 the worst year for U.S. economic growth since the depths of the Great Recession, the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/28/gdp-2020-economy-recession/]Washington Post[/link] reports.This is the last GDP report from former president Donald Trumps tenure. Until the pandemic, Trump was on track for an economic record that put him near the middle of the pack among recent presidents. But the covid-19 crisis has ensured that he is likely to have overseen the slowest economic growth of any president in the period since the Second World War.
Its kind of a specious argument to blame him for not shutting down the economy enough and then to complain that the shut down economy didn’t grow.-
Well, the argument about shut down (flogged already in the general forum) was “shut down to get the cases low enough to resume a more normal economy supported by mass testing and with government support for other needed safety changes” …. but once the US sh*t the bed on compliance it was pretty much done …. shut down or no.
But regardless, the judgement of history will almost certainly miss that nuance. Trump economy sucked due to pandemic mismanagement. That’s the memory.-
That’s also a very large fact.
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I think there’s more complexity to it but Trump certainly didn’t help.
There’s a lot of money that wasn’t flying around due to supply chain issues. I’ve got computers that we ordered in September that still aren’t here. None of that money get’s paid out until orders are fulfilled. or think of how hard it was to buy stuff for a house. People couldn’t buy refrigerators.-
So, I was asked yesterday to say something good about the Trump administration.
After thinking for a bit … and I know I was critical of the effort while it was underway…
I think that Trump’s instincts on the Middle East were on the mark. He saw that the arab states were ready to bail on the Palestinians and went about a methodology of getting states to normalize with Israel.
I thought there would be much more regional backlash to the sideline of the Palestinians…. but there really hasn’t been any.
So I consider that part of the Trump foreign policy a win.
There you go. Still the worst President in history … but there’s a plus for ya.
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[link=http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/~/644352480/0/usatodaycomwashington-topstories~A-bloody-insurrection-a-deadly-pandemic-Historians-weigh-in-on-Trumps-legacy-after-his-acquittal/]A bloody insurrection, a deadly pandemic: Historians weigh in on Trump’s legacy after his acquittal
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Many historians had already said Trump would rank low for a tumultuous single term that included the COVID-19 pandemic, a previous impeachment, lies about his actions and those of others, business conflicts of interest and alienation of global allies.
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“It will always be remembered by how it ended,” presidential historian Alvin Felzenberg said. “It will also be remembered for its divisiveness and his personal attacks and his lack of respect for political institutions.”___
Trump will be remembered in history for two things. “His fumbling of a lethal pandemic that cost half a million American lives and his incitement of a bloody insurrection against a free and fair election. Weighed against those twin legacies, nothing else will matter.” ~ Chris Whipple, author of [i]The Gatekeepers: How the White House Chiefs of Staff Define Every Presidency.[/i]
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Trump “will be remembered as the president who prevented the peaceful transition of power.” ~ Jennifer Mercieca.
The insurrection seals Trump’s fate as “the worst president in history.” Trump “failed to put the national-security interests of the United States ahead of his own political needs” and was “grossly derelict” in the face of the COVID-19 pandemic. ~ Timothy Naftali, presidential historian at New York University.
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[h1][b]Wax Statue of Trump Removed because people keep Punching it in the Face[/b][/h1]
A wax replica of former President Donald Trump currently being housed at Louis Tussauds Waxworks in San Antonio had to be moved to storage because visitors kept punching it in the face, the [link=https://www.expressnews.com/business/local/article/A-battered-Trump-takes-refuge-in-San-Antonio-wax-16031208.php]San Antonio Express[/link] reports.
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[h1][b]Historians Rank Trump as One of the Worst Presidents[/b][/h1]
A new [link=https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall]C-SPAN Historians survey[/link] of U.S. presidents finds Donald Trump enters the ranks for the first time in the #41 position out of 44 presidents. (Above Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson, and James Buchanan)
The historians ranked him dead last for Moral Authority and Administrative Skills.
Also interesting:
[ul][*]Barack Obama rose to #10 from his #12 ranking in 2017[*]George W. Bush continued his steady incline, now ranking at #29, from #33 in 2017 and #36 in 2009[*]Bill Clinton began at #21 in 2000 and held steady at #15 in 2009 and 2017 before declining this cycle to #19. [/ul]-
Gary Abernathy explains & clarifies. The problem is mean libs & Dems who should apologize to Trump supporters for pointing out that Trump is a liar & con man as the supporters carefully nurture their defensiveness & anger & resentment caused by libs & Democrats. While concluding getting Trumpers to realize theyve been duped is a Lost Cause argument.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/22/stop-insulting-trump-voters-their-concerns-talk-them/]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/22/stop-insulting-trump-voters-their-concerns-talk-them/[/link]I live in Trump Country. I was a Trump supporter, until he lost me with his actions after the 2020 election. But most Trump voters have stuck with him. With Trumps encouragement, they sincerely believe the election was stolen. Theyre not racists. Theyre not traitors. Some of them think anyone who accepts Bidens win is a traitor. Some of them think Im traitorous or at the very least Ive succumbed to the evil influences of the mainstream media for accepting Trumps defeat.
Its my unscientific conclusion that about half of Trumps supporters will go to their graves believing the election was stolen. The other half can be persuaded otherwise, but only by time and reflection, like accepting a death. Shaming will never work.
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[b]Trumps Shrinking Legacy[/b][/h1]
[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/07/which-trump-regulations-were-overturned-biden/619583/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+AtlanticPoliticsChannel+%2528The+Atlantic+-+Politics%2529]Olga Khazan[/link]: Trumps failures to permanently change government policy were remarkably diverse. Even when his administration pursued classically Republican agenda items, such as cutting food stamps, and had lots of outside help from conservative advocacy groups, it ran into trouble. For a time, the Trump administration did significantly change the way food stamps worked. But in that realm, too, few of Trumps changes stuck: Some were struck down by courts, and others were reversed by the Biden administration.
The Trump administration seems to have fundamentally underestimated the difficulty of changing U.S. government policy: As of April, out of the 259 regulations, guidance documents, and agency memoranda it issued that were challenged in court, 200, or 77 percent, were unsuccessful A typical administration loses more like 30 percent of the time.
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[b]GDP Growth Under Trump Was Worst Since Hoover[/b][/h1]
GDP growth under Donald Trump a measure he frequently touted to show his economic prowess was actually the worst since Herbert Hoover was president during the Great Depression, [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-08-02/trump-s-gdp-growth-was-the-worst-since-the-great-depression?sref=GzMobW41]Bloomberg[/link] reports.
And quarterly GDP data, which only dates back to Dwight Eisenhowers presidency beginning in 1953, puts Trump dead last among the dozen presidents since then.-
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[b]GDP Growth Under Trump Was Worst Since Hoover[/b][/h1]
GDP growth under Donald Trump a measure he frequently touted to show his economic prowess was actually the worst since Herbert Hoover was president during the Great Depression, [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-08-02/trump-s-gdp-growth-was-the-worst-since-the-great-depression?sref=GzMobW41]Bloomberg[/link] reports.
And quarterly GDP data, which only dates back to Dwight Eisenhowers presidency beginning in 1953, puts Trump dead last among the dozen presidents since then.
How would that data look without covid ? (and without some of the nonsensical lockdown measures in 2020 ? )
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there was years under Trump and I think the max it hit was 3% in 2018. Other than that is was around 1%-2%. Which basically is no where near what Trumpty and GOP said it would be (needed to be) in order to pay for the tax breaks for the wealthy americans. Most of the issues with Covid response are absolutely owned by Trumpty and the acolytes. Why do we not have more people vax’d? It ain’t cause the dems are spouting conspiracy BS.
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there was years under Trump and I think the max it hit was 3% in 2018. Other than that is was around 1%-2%. Which basically is no where near what Trumpty and GOP said it would be (needed to be) in order to pay for the tax breaks for the wealthy americans. Most of the issues with Covid response are absolutely owned by Trumpty and the acolytes. Why do we not have more people vax’d? It ain’t cause the dems are spouting conspiracy BS.
It wasn’t trump who shut down the economy of the major states (beyond the initial ‘flatten the curve’ fib).
Yes, he owns the failed federal response.
Difficult to fault him for the economic fallout when states shut down beyond what anyone recommended and failed to reopen following the roadmap provided by the federal task force.
Unless you want to fault him just because he is trump. But nobody would do that, right ?
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Since when did evaluating a president’s economic policy successes depend on leaving out the bad things that happened on their watch?
OK, COVID was not Trump’s fault but our actions due to COVID certainly are his responsibility. Running the country was Trump’s responsibility alone.
“ONLY I CAN FIX EVERYTHING!” as that illustrious man bragged on many occasions.
There should have been an organized Federal response. Instead we got an ongoing joke of a response. The solution was to tell the states it was all up to them to decide what to do in a non-coordinated fashion, to bid against each other for PPE’s and other supplies?
Imagine running a company where you tell each department you are not in charge, they have to individually figure things out and bid against each other for supplies and resources, etc.
Guaranteed success.
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A leader is judged on how he handles crises
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there was years under Trump and I think the max it hit was 3% in 2018. Other than that is was around 1%-2%. Which basically is no where near what Trumpty and GOP said it would be (needed to be) in order to pay for the tax breaks for the wealthy americans. Most of the issues with Covid response are absolutely owned by Trumpty and the acolytes. Why do we not have more people vax’d? It ain’t cause the dems are spouting conspiracy BS.
It wasn’t trump who shut down the economy of the major states (beyond the initial ‘flatten the curve’ fib).
Yes, he owns the failed federal response.
Difficult to fault him for the economic fallout when states shut down beyond what anyone recommended and failed to reopen following the roadmap provided by the federal task force.
Unless you want to fault him just because he is trump. But nobody would do that, right ?
Trump sabotages every step of the way. Anything from it was fake and it’s going away in 2 weeks to him getting the vax and not making it public. If he had any sense of decency he’d be leaning on the GOP quacks to push people to get vaccines. He has the pull with the GOP for whatever reason. It’s not hard to fault him for then or any ongoing fall out we will see. nothing but bad behavior from the biggest cry baby. He’s an all time loser who modelled nothing but bad behavior.
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He was the “leader” who said to stop testing because the increasing numbers made him look bad.
It’s all about the ratings. Even if you have to fake it, which was the model of that administration.
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