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  • Travel quarantine out of hand?

    Posted by kstepanovs_485 on October 28, 2020 at 8:33 am

    I live in CT currently and I know we need to control the spread of covid, but the restrictions on “affected states” seems to be bit egregious. They’re calling any state with 10 cases per 100,000 people high risk, that’s 0.01% affected. It now includes 42 other states. Am I missing something here or does anyone else think is a bit over the top? Are people from other states encountering this problem? 

    Working at a hospital makes it essentially impossible to travel because of the need to have a negative covid test before returning to work.

    clickpenguin_460 replied 3 years, 8 months ago 5 Members · 17 Replies
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  • clickpenguin_460

    Member
    October 28, 2020 at 8:54 am

    Chicago has something similar. I think Hawaii did for a time as well (maybe they still do).
     
    Yes, it’s over the top.  Way over.  But this is the “new normal” and our media/political overlords have told us that we are demons for thinking otherwise.  Trust me, they are going to keep pushing the boundaries of what people will tolerate until they don’t tolerate it anymore.  Politicians love power and telling people what to do.

    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      October 28, 2020 at 9:33 am

      So how would you protect the public & especially the vulnerable who have no choice protecting themselves without exercising power telling people how to?

      • kayla.meyer_144

        Member
        October 28, 2020 at 9:34 am

        In other words, how would you stop all the Typhoid Marys without exercising power?

        • clickpenguin_460

          Member
          October 28, 2020 at 9:47 am

          We’ve been through this 100x.  The mortality rate of the virus, especially to young people, doesn’t warrant the bans, shutdowns, lockdowns etc. that cause more harm to society than the virus does.  
           
          What would you do to those who break these rules?  What is a fitting punishment for such miscreants?

          • kayla.meyer_144

            Member
            October 28, 2020 at 9:57 am

            Yes we have. That is not the question. Your neighborhood has hardly been affected it seems but with 230,000 deaths, that certainly is not every community. Not everyone assumes they are immune from this common cold virus.

            With people spreading it within the 2 week a symptomatic period to people who do not want to get infected & risk an ICU visit or worse, how would you address it if it was your responsibility to protect the public?

            • kaldridgewv2211

              Member
              October 28, 2020 at 11:24 am

              I have a friend who was supposed to go visit Boston and decided not to since you had to quarantine in place for like 14 days once you got there.  SO it’s not plausible to travel.  
               
              I think this is the new norm until covid is over.

            • clickpenguin_460

              Member
              October 28, 2020 at 11:50 am

              Quote from Frumious

              Yes we have. That is not the question. Your neighborhood has hardly been affected it seems but with 230,000 deaths, that certainly is not every community. Not everyone assumes they are immune from this common cold virus.

              With people spreading it within the 2 week a symptomatic period to people who do not want to get infected & risk an ICU visit or worse, how would you address it if it was your responsibility to protect the public?

               
              We have talked about what I would do.
               
              Serious question, is any covid lockdown measure/etc. a “bridge too far” for you?

              • kaldridgewv2211

                Member
                October 28, 2020 at 12:03 pm

                Heres a question. If youre in a spot with high spread isnt it smart to just take precautions anyway. Dont go to the bar, or the gym. Wear a mask when buying groceries.

                • clickpenguin_460

                  Member
                  October 28, 2020 at 12:12 pm

                  That’s sort of been my point.  Why ban things and shut down things when people are doing a lot of things on their own – staying at home, distancing, masking – to the point where outcomes aren’t different in places with the harsher bans/etc.
                   
                  I don’t see anything wrong with a place having a spike and then recommending 3-4 weeks of staying at home if you can, mask wearing, and distancing.  My issue is with the indiscriminate closures of businesses and schools that cause the detriment to society worse than the virus.

                  • kaldridgewv2211

                    Member
                    October 28, 2020 at 12:19 pm

                    Because there are people who are too stupid to do the right thing.

                    • clickpenguin_460

                      Member
                      October 28, 2020 at 12:29 pm

                      Right but that’s true of a lot of things and sort of what authoritarianism is – leaders thinking they know better than the people and thus putting in rules to make them do things.
                       
                      Strong recommendations should be enough and people can be free to make their own bad choices just like anything else.  
                       
                      For example, are you in the camp of legalizing marijuana?  Other drugs?
                       
                      You can say “but covid affects others” and yes it does, however, if you are a person who is following the rules with distancing and masks, people who aren’t following the rules are still not going to affect you.

                    • kaldridgewv2211

                      Member
                      October 28, 2020 at 12:55 pm

                      I can arrest you for a DUI. I cant arrest you for getting people sick.

                    • clickpenguin_460

                      Member
                      October 28, 2020 at 1:00 pm

                      Yes.  Does that bother you?
                       
                      What is the punishment supposed to be for people who refuse to wear a mask, ignore a covid curfew, keep a school/business open, etc.

                    • kstepanovs_485

                      Member
                      October 29, 2020 at 5:13 pm

                      I’ll also just leave this here:

                      [link=https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/who-official-urges-world-leaders-to-stop-using-lockdowns-as-primary-virus-control-method/ar-BB19TBUo]https://www.msn.com/en-us…rol-method/ar-BB19TBUo[/link]

                    • jennycullmann

                      Member
                      October 29, 2020 at 5:29 pm

                      Quote from DICOM_Dan

                      Because there are people who are too stupid to do the right thing.

                       
                      You prove this every day on the board.

              • jennycullmann

                Member
                October 29, 2020 at 5:31 pm

                Quote from Cubsfan10

                Quote from Frumious

                Yes we have. That is not the question. Your neighborhood has hardly been affected it seems but with 230,000 deaths, that certainly is not every community. Not everyone assumes they are immune from this common cold virus.

                With people spreading it within the 2 week a symptomatic period to people who do not want to get infected & risk an ICU visit or worse, how would you address it if it was your responsibility to protect the public?

                We have talked about what I would do.

                Serious question, is any covid lockdown measure/etc. a “bridge too far” for you?

                 
                You’ll never get a response to this. Notice? You still haven’t. They aren’t good faith arguers. They are political hacks and lemmings.
                 
                The response to COVID has killed far more people and affected many more lives. It’s not even close. But of course they’ll never admit that. Why? It’s the truth.

                • clickpenguin_460

                  Member
                  October 29, 2020 at 7:04 pm

                  They never answer that or what the punishment should be.