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  • Transgender curriculum improves awareness among radiologists

    Posted by Eli.jalali on March 16, 2023 at 7:22 am

    How soon before teaching this curriculum will become a felony in certain U.S. states? It’s time to speak up or forever stay quiet.

    mircea.cg_544 replied 1 year, 3 months ago 34 Members · 312 Replies
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  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    March 16, 2023 at 7:27 am

    Good, it should be outlawed since it isn’t based on science. 

    • Eli.jalali

      Member
      March 16, 2023 at 7:39 am

      You just admitted that you have no understanding of the subject, the science, the physiology, the anatomy, or the endocrinology.

      • erasmopa

        Member
        March 16, 2023 at 8:05 am

        As radiologists I agree we should understand the anatomy and any unique radiologic diagnoses in transgender patients, and not be discriminatory.

        But the article talks about how we need to understand their experiences. The typical history I get is pain. So as long as their experience can be summed up in five words or less, then that sounds reasonable. Beyond that we would be treating transgender patients with consideration that we do not provide to the cis community.

        My point is this is radiology. We are glorified fast food workers who must interpret imaging studies at breakneck speed. Our job is to provide useful interpretations, not to virtue signal.

        • buckeyeguy

          Member
          March 16, 2023 at 8:29 am

          First, do no harm. Well, surgeons and hormone abusers already did to a lot of these people. Sad.

          • Unknown Member

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            March 16, 2023 at 9:38 am

            Democrats have let these people hijack the party agenda, the same way Republicans let the MAGA folk do the same. The majority of people I meet object to having this stuff pushed on everyone especially children, our institutions and companies should not be toeing that line, e.g. that high school sports league in Vermont that kicked out the high school for forfeiting the women’s sports game against a school with a biological male on the team. If a minority of people strongly believed they were a different species say a tiger and chose to transition themselves toward that, have at it and no one should stop you from being the best and proudest tiger you can be, but forcing the rest of us to treat them accordingly is too much at some point.   

            • Unknown Member

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              March 16, 2023 at 9:42 am

              I absolutely disagree

              Democrats have not let these people hijack the party

              They are a very very very small voice in a big party

              MAGA Republicans are the dominant force in the Republican Party

              • Unknown Member

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                March 16, 2023 at 9:52 am

                Forced to pick, I am a democrat and have voted that way. Show me a democrat politician that has gone against the grain on the transgender gender identity stuff. 

                • ranweiss

                  Member
                  March 16, 2023 at 10:04 am

                  Hot button issue in our house. Have a gay brother who is all for it. I think it makes 0 sense to let trans athletes compete against cis women. Look at that swimmer – leah thomas or something…Transitioned in college far after puberty, smashed all the college swim records…wasn’t even on the radar as a male swimmer. 6 foot something tall with a crazy wingspan. 
                   
                  How is it fair to let her compete against biological females?
                   
                  I’m all for letting people transition and live their authentic lives. I think a line needs to be drawn with athletics. 

                  • g.giancaspro_108

                    Member
                    March 16, 2023 at 10:28 am

                    Since the study histories we receive are typically entered by a nurse that often has not even examined the patient, I am very interested to know the imaging appearances associated with this.
                     
                     

                    • Unknown Member

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                      March 16, 2023 at 2:30 pm

                      Quote from sandeep panga

                      Since the study histories we receive are typically entered by a nurse that often has not even examined the patient, I am very interested to know the imaging appearances associated with this.

                      Its a cabal predominantly at medical governing bodies and academia that are attempting to push this agenda all throughout medicine , including radiology. The woke in medicine are very motivated in socially establishing non-binary sex designation status, and are using medicine to further validate it’s larger societal legitimacy.  By reading recent editions of RGs and other rad journals, it seems that younger (and unestablished) med students and rads in training appear to be the most zealous apostates.
                       
                      In the real world, established rads have no idea if someone is transitioning, de-transitioning, or whatever the case maybe physically or mentally. If a rad comes across a trans-whatever, lets say while interpretating a CT AP , the reporting should be brief—“suspect pelvic or genital surgery. No collections”. If someone wants to take legal action over that, they can be sent a copy of my Cook Island Trust and their activist lawyers will have to whistle dixie while crawling back to their caves looking for another target in society to spread their ideology. 

                    • shelley.bolyardshankle_820

                      Member
                      March 21, 2023 at 9:18 am

                      “Excuse me, Ma’am, you have prostate cancer.”

                    • Unknown Member

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                      March 16, 2023 at 2:52 pm

                      Quote from sandeep panga

                      Since the study histories we receive are typically entered by a nurse that often has not even examined the patient, I am very interested to know the imaging appearances associated with this.

                      CT abd pelvis- boobs and balls? Just sayin. I have read a few.

                  • Unknown Member

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                    March 16, 2023 at 10:29 am

                    My friend is Jiu Jitsu coach and one of his star women students competed in a Jiu Jitsu tournament where in the absolute weight division she – at around 130 lbs fought against a transgender 240 lb biological male with dreadlocks but was considered a female competitor. He almost ripped her arm off and she took her lumps like a good competitor but my friend the coach was outraged and consider it a major safety issue.
                     
                    The high school in Vermont didn’t want their women’s basketball team to play against a team with a biological male, citing fairness and safety issues, so they forfeited that game in the tournament. Fine. But then the high school athletic commission banned their school from ever again participating in that high school women’s basketball league because of their decision. It’s totally nuts. 
                     
                    [link=https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/14/us/mid-vermont-christian-school-transgender-athlete-ineligible-future-activities/index.html]https://www.cnn.com/2023/…-activities/index.html[/link]
                     
                     

            • shelley.bolyardshankle_820

              Member
              March 21, 2023 at 9:20 am

              I have never understood what people find objectionable about “Make America Great Again”.  It would seem to me that that is something that everyone would want.

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    March 16, 2023 at 8:05 am

    Sure I do. It is the indulgence of mental illness with harmful irreversible hormones and mutilating surgery. 

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    March 16, 2023 at 10:33 am

    These “gender affirming” policies are like telling schizophrenics to listen to the voices, or supporting an anorexics weight loss. 
    Complete degeneracy. 

    • buckeyeguy

      Member
      March 16, 2023 at 7:17 pm

      Quote from Skripnik

      These “gender affirming” policies are like telling schizophrenics to listen to the voices, or supporting an anorexics weight loss. 
      Complete degeneracy. 

       
      Perfect analogy since the demons do rejoice when these evil people do their bidding.

    • janamicb_883

      Member
      March 18, 2023 at 6:48 pm

      XXXXX

  • Unknown Member

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    March 16, 2023 at 10:38 am

    Forced to pick, I am a democrat and have voted that way. Show me a democrat politician that has gone against the grain on the transgender gender identity stuff.

    Well maybe but I can show about 95% of Democrats who really dont care how people live their lives as long as its not affecting anyone else

    I dont know if I can say that about at least 60-70% of republicans

    Seems likes republicans are fixated on an issue that really doesnt affect a lot of people

    • Unknown Member

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      March 16, 2023 at 10:39 am

      See above discussion, it absolutely affects other people. 

    • Unknown Member

      Deleted User
      March 16, 2023 at 10:39 am

      Ok

      How many transgender athletes are there in your state?

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        March 16, 2023 at 10:40 am

        I don’t know, how many non-transgender athletes are there in yours? 

        • Unknown Member

          Deleted User
          March 16, 2023 at 10:41 am

          99.999999999990 %

          • Unknown Member

            Deleted User
            March 16, 2023 at 10:44 am

            Given the fundamentally different biology of those who have transitioned from male to female, or female to male, in terms of the hormones affecting athletic performance, why not have a separate league of sports for those who have transitioned male to female, and another for those who have transitioned from female to male?   
             
            This arrangement would benefit all involved, e.g. someone who transitions from female to male may want to play high school football and it wouldn’t be fair or as safe for “him” to play against those who’ve been males since birth. 

          • Unknown Member

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            March 16, 2023 at 10:44 am

            And I will say it is definitely not fair that a biological male competes against a biological female

            Im 100% with you on that

            Im just saying it doesnt happen very often

            In fact I will go as far as saying it is extremely extremely rare

            • Unknown Member

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              March 16, 2023 at 10:45 am

              Why not have a separate league???!?

              Because there arent enough of them to actually compete

            • Unknown Member

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              March 16, 2023 at 10:47 am

              If we accept your supposition that it is extremely, it is still a matter of safety and fairness to those rare instances where it arises. E.g. an entire basketball team’s eligibility to play in a sports league should not be lost simply because they did the reasonable thing of choosing to forfeit a game where they thought player safety and fairness would be an issue. 

              • Unknown Member

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                March 16, 2023 at 10:50 am

                I dont disagree with you at all

                I just dont think it happens very often and too many people are getting all fired up about nothing

  • Unknown Member

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    March 16, 2023 at 10:55 am

    Decisions have consequences, and if someone transitions from male to female then one price is that they no longer have an ideal gender category in their high school wrestling teams. Why put them on a biological female wrestling team and make all women wrestlers in that entire league bear the price of their transition?  Why not put them on the biological male wrestling team which makes more sense and doesn’t negatively effect the other male wrestlers or tell the person “sorry, there are no wrestling options for you in our school.”  

    • Unknown Member

      Deleted User
      March 16, 2023 at 10:58 am

      Where has this happened at?

      • Unknown Member

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        March 16, 2023 at 11:03 am

        [link=https://www.texastribune.org/2017/02/26/transgender-wrestler-mack-beggs-identifies-male-he-just-won-texas-stat/]https://www.texastribune….e-just-won-texas-stat/[/link]
         
        “Beggs road to the championship last season included two forfeits in the regional tournament by wrestlers who feared injury. Beggs faced only one forfeit this season. The opposing coach and team-mates had insisted the girl wrestle Beggs but she refused, McNew said.
        The birth certificate rule was approved in 2016 by the University Interscholastic League, the governing body for Texas high school sports. It was done to help schools determine competition, said Jamie Harrison, UIL deputy director.”
         
         
        [link=https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/14/us/mid-vermont-christian-school-transgender-athlete-ineligible-future-activities/index.html]https://www.cnn.com/2023/…-activities/index.html[/link]

      • Unknown Member

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        March 16, 2023 at 11:05 am

        And I agree decisions have consequences

        You are a boy and you want to be a girl ok fine

        But dont go out for the girls swim team Or volleyball or basketball

        I agree with that

        Hey when I was a kid playing biddy league Football I couldnt play running back in grade 6 and 7 because I was over the 125lb weight limit

        I had spend 2 years on the line and wait until I was in 8th grade before I could actually run the football

        So I guess understand both ends of the fair not fair argument

        • Unknown Member

          Deleted User
          March 16, 2023 at 11:07 am

          And flounce

          Your article says basketball

          I thought you were talking about transgender wrasslers

          • Unknown Member

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            March 16, 2023 at 11:09 am

            [link=https://www.texastribune.org/2017/02/26/transgender-wrestler-mack-beggs-identifies-male-he-just-won-texas-stat/]https://www.texastribune….e-just-won-texas-stat/[/link]
             
            “Beggs road to the championship last season included two forfeits in the regional tournament by wrestlers who feared injury. Beggs faced only one forfeit this season. The opposing coach and team-mates had insisted the girl wrestle Beggs but she refused, McNew said.
            The birth certificate rule was approved in 2016 by the University Interscholastic League, the governing body for Texas high school sports. It was done to help schools determine competition, said Jamie Harrison, UIL deputy director.”

            • Unknown Member

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              March 16, 2023 at 11:19 am

              I agree that is not fair

              But its also like red herring

              • buckeyeguy

                Member
                March 16, 2023 at 2:40 pm

                It’s very telling that a doctor of all people (is he?) is this badly deceived and debased. Shows how pathetic our society is and how spiritually decrepit most people are. The “very small voices” are all over the place; it’s like acting as if gays don’t have an unreal and crazy representation in media and hot topics and takes, although they are a crazy small percentage of the population. Sorta like another religious group I know … hmm
                 
                coincidence? lol
                 
                The truth hurts. People like chiro ultimately are forced to choose between insanity and title IX, one of the funniest things about how stupid the left really is, a perfect example of how their madness ALWAYS leads to more madness. We have the proof, it’s weird that someone as savvy and level headed as Flounce also refuses to recognize, ultimately, who the sick people are.

            • tdetlie_105

              Member
              March 16, 2023 at 5:27 pm

              Quote from Flounce

              [link=https://www.texastribune.org/2017/02/26/transgender-wrestler-mack-beggs-identifies-male-he-just-won-texas-stat/]https://www.texastribune….e-just-won-texas-stat/[/link]

              “Beggs road to the championship last season included two forfeits in the regional tournament by wrestlers who feared injury. Beggs faced only one forfeit this season. The opposing coach and team-mates had insisted the girl wrestle Beggs but she refused, McNew said.
              The birth certificate rule was approved in 2016 by the University Interscholastic League, the governing body for Texas high school sports. It was done to help schools determine competition, said Jamie Harrison, UIL deputy director.”

               
              Once again, Flounce, thank you for your unbiased words of wisdom.  Much needed/appreciated.  

              • Unknown Member

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                March 16, 2023 at 6:31 pm

                How many of you have ever seen a transgender athlete at one of your kids events

                • Unknown Member

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                  March 16, 2023 at 6:57 pm

                  There are a few school shootings every semester

                  But you people are more fixated on the 5 trans athletes in high school sports in the country

                  Pretty Fd up

                  • buckeyeguy

                    Member
                    March 16, 2023 at 7:19 pm

                    Quote from Chirorad84

                    There are a few school shootings every semester

                    But you people are more fixated on the 5 trans athletes in high school sports in the country

                    Pretty Fd up

                     
                    Useless poster who ever uses logic tells us to look at other deranged people so as not to notice … deranged people and policies.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      March 16, 2023 at 8:26 pm

                      I could give zero sh**z about what gender somebody identifies with.   A kidney stone looks the same.  The appendix is in the same place.   I will admit I have gotten lost trying to figure out why this “male” designated and male named patient has a vagina,  but I’m mainly worried  about embarassing myself by reporting the wrong sex organs…..

                    • mircea.cg_544

                      Member
                      March 16, 2023 at 8:44 pm

                      It is very disconcerting when a patient with an overwhelmingly masculine name (Tarzan) gets scanned and has a vagina, uterus, and ovaries. Is this the correct patient?

                      Hey tech.was Tarzan a lady?
                      Oh no, Tarzan had a beard.

                      Hey tech, did you see the scan showed a uterus?
                      No, no way. WaitI am uncertain that is the correct patient.

                      Hey tech, call the patient and ask if they are a biological female.
                      I called Tarzan. He umm sheUmm Tarzan said to call the ordering doctor to discuss. The ordering doctor is on a 2 week vacation in Africa. I dont know if I screwed up, I cant say for certain these images are on the right patient.

                      True story. EMR was useless as it was empty/first patient visit to this facility.

                    • ruszja

                      Member
                      March 17, 2023 at 8:32 am

                      As radiologists we are already aware that a ‘trans woman’ is just a man with some bits removed and vice versa.

                      A bit confusing at first glance, but if you know what you are looking at it’s not hard to pick it out on the imaging.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      March 24, 2023 at 10:45 pm

                      Another one:

                      Womens cycling champ quits after loss to trans rider; another trans winner days later in NY race

                      [link=https://nypost.com/2023/03/23/transgender-cyclist-wins-nyc-womens-race/amp/]https://nypost.com/2023/0…s-nyc-womens-race/amp/[/link]

                    • amyelizabethbarrett28_711

                      Member
                      March 25, 2023 at 4:56 am

                      Speaking of propaganda in the liberal media

                      [link=https://twitter.com/npr/status/1639375297970855937?s=46&t=dhAsPhBGf63jZVIP3QPC1Q]https://twitter.com/npr/s…dhAsPhBGf63jZVIP3QPC1Q[/link]

                      NPR: The international governing body for track and field will ban trans women athletes from elite women’s competitions, citing a priority for fairness over inclusion despite limited scientific evidence of physical advantage

                      Clown world.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      March 25, 2023 at 6:09 am

                      So, the solution is to oppose acceptance of transgender people, specifically trans-women because they might join a womans team & win unfairly. Goes along with the bathroom bills.
                       
                      Yes, makes sense.
                       
                      Eradicate transgender-[i]ism [/i]solves the problem.
                       
                      /s
                       
                       

                    • smfst7_929

                      Member
                      March 25, 2023 at 6:44 am

                      The trans in womens sports is where liberals go too far. Plenty of democrat voters who are heavily invested into womens sports or have family/friends who are in competitive womens sports. My ballpark guess is that this is 5% or more of the voting population. Enough to swing an election.

                      You can support trans people and their rights to live like everyone else without infringing on the rights of biological female athletes.

                    • smfst7_929

                      Member
                      March 25, 2023 at 6:45 am

                      Joe Rogan for president!

                    • buckeyeguy

                      Member
                      March 25, 2023 at 8:27 am

                      Quote from sartoriusBIG

                      The trans in womens sports is where liberals go too far. Plenty of democrat voters who are heavily invested into womens sports or have family/friends who are in competitive womens sports. My ballpark guess is that this is 5% or more of the voting population. Enough to swing an election.

                      You can support trans people and their rights to live like everyone else without infringing on the rights of biological female athletes.

                       
                      Liberalism always leads to this, I think you’d have figured this out by now, since you are a smart poster, sart
                       
                      The women’s sports thing is the funniest because after all of these years for blaming men, they can’t blame them anymore (the actual men) for not wanting to care about their nonsense. If you support nonsense, don’t expect when clown world comes upon you. Yeah, but if we just did it the right way!? Waaahh … yeah, exactly what the communists say.

  • amyelizabethbarrett28_711

    Member
    March 16, 2023 at 3:16 pm

    Chiro said

    You are a boy and you want to be a girl ok fine

    But dont go out for the girls swim team Or volleyball or basketball

    I agree with that

    You are an intolerant transphobic bigot and should be fired for this statement. You are required to go through an eight week course on diversity, equity, and inclusion before you will be allowed to resume your work duties.

    • cindyanne_522

      Member
      March 16, 2023 at 4:32 pm

      Quote from acpce1

      Chiro said

      You are a boy and you want to be a girl ok fine

      But dont go out for the girls swim team Or volleyball or basketball

      I agree with that

      You are an intolerant transphobic bigot and should be fired for this statement. You are required to go through an eight week course on diversity, equity, and inclusion before you will be allowed to resume your work duties.

      Hear, hear!! And—he should have to wear an in-practice dunce cap if we wants to be rehired, pay out-of-pocket to rent out local places for drag-queen story hour, and have gender-neutral kinematic figures holding hands in a large mural over his workstation.

  • ranweiss

    Member
    March 17, 2023 at 8:55 am

    I read a few trans scans in residency. Usually the ER doc or whoever has listed it in history in a PC way ( i.e, prior gender confirming surgery ) and you just describe it as a ‘neovagina’ if there is pathology involved, and also mention ‘normal prostate’ or whatever. Not a big deal from imaging perspective. Alternatively, our ‘woke’ administrators asked us when this comes up (rarely, very rarely), simply describe sex organs as ‘pelvic structures or organs’. That’s fine unless you have a prostate mass or ovarian cancer etc. 

    • ruszja

      Member
      March 17, 2023 at 9:28 am

      Quote from ar123

      I read a few trans scans in residency. Usually the ER doc or whoever has listed it in history in a PC way ( i.e, prior gender confirming surgery ) and you just describe it as a ‘neovagina’ if there is pathology involved, and also mention ‘normal prostate’ or whatever. Not a big deal from imaging perspective. Alternatively, our ‘woke’ administrators asked us when this comes up (rarely, very rarely), simply describe sex organs as ‘pelvic structures or organs’. That’s fine unless you have a prostate mass or ovarian cancer etc. 

      This.

      The first time I encountered this 30 years ago it was a bit startling and still hush-hush on the tech side. Now it’s common enough that there is really no reason to be surprised about it. Just follow the science. I am not being asked to diagnose their paychiatric condition, I am asked to give a useful answer regarding whatever issue brought them in today. I would draw a hard line at re-naming structures to fit a political narrative. If there is a uterus or a prostate , that’s what it is.

      • Unknown Member

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        March 17, 2023 at 9:38 am

        Agree, its not likely were schoolboys giggling at farts and cleavage, were medical professionals and when it comes up in the images or history its just business.

    • Unknown Member

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      March 17, 2023 at 9:53 am

      Quote from ar123

      I read a few trans scans in residency. Usually the ER doc or whoever has listed it in history in a PC way ( i.e, prior gender confirming surgery ) and you just describe it as a ‘neovagina’ if there is pathology involved, and also mention ‘normal prostate’ or whatever. Not a big deal from imaging perspective. Alternatively, our ‘woke’ administrators asked us when this comes up (rarely, very rarely), simply describe sex organs as ‘pelvic structures or organs’. That’s fine unless you have a prostate mass or ovarian cancer etc. 

      Thats Chicago for you. Brief google search. Looks like all the big players have gender affirmation programs.

      • ipadfawazipad_778

        Member
        March 17, 2023 at 10:36 am

        Its confusing to me. I need a born gender easy to find in our EMR and then I what happened after that. I dont care politically. Just view it like veterinary medicine since we usually get no or incorrect history anyways.

    • mario.mtz30_447

      Member
      March 17, 2023 at 11:05 am

      Quote from ar123

      Alternatively, our ‘woke’ administrators asked us when this comes up (rarely, very rarely), simply describe sex organs as ‘pelvic structures or organs’. That’s fine unless you have a prostate mass or ovarian cancer etc. 

       
      It’s a prostate gland.  It’s an ovary.  I’m not going to say pelvic organs.  
      If they are present, they are present.  No wishing is going to make them go away.  It there’s an ovary, it can be a source of symptoms and pathology.  
      If you say “pelvic organs” it’s misleading because another clinician may be confused and assume for example if the sex is listed as male, there are no ovaries and no uterus and so not consider these organs in their ddx of anything, such as their source of pain ddx. 
      I’m drawing a line.  No way.

      • ruszja

        Member
        March 17, 2023 at 1:31 pm

        Where this will get interesting is when the generation who had their biology manipulated starting pre-puberty hit the cancer and heart disease age bracket. 45 yo women with castrate resistant PC, yay !

        • mircea.cg_544

          Member
          March 17, 2023 at 9:13 pm

          Pelvic organs.hahaha.
          From now on when looking at structures above the neck, I will say normal intracranial organs

          • mario.mtz30_447

            Member
            March 17, 2023 at 10:52 pm

            Please review the 2023 Hospital Administrators Guide to Accepted and Banned Medical Terminology and sign the Agreement that you will abide by these Guidelines or be subject to termination.

  • Unknown Member

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    March 18, 2023 at 9:52 am

    Look, these articles are by ambitious young rads trying to find a niche in academics. Perhaps there is a bit of proselytizing too.
    There is enough in the clinical literature to take seriously re patient care; this is not one of them. Sometimes the articles resemble that seen in The Onion, or similar parodies. 
    For that the one time where it becomes an issue because of an irate patient; dictate an addendum and move on.
     

    • mario.mtz30_447

      Member
      March 18, 2023 at 10:07 am

      Quote from boomer

      For that the one time where it becomes an issue because of an irate patient; dictate an addendum and move on.

      Addendum
      What was initially thought to represent a prostate gland is a normal smoothly marginated pelvic organ soft tissue density encircling the urethra with bilateral fluid filled protruding multilobulated structures.  
       
      How’s that?

       

      • buckeyeguy

        Member
        March 18, 2023 at 12:17 pm

        The mental and spiritual disease started long ago, now we have to fake being nice about it until the money runs out. What a boomer profile that is, sheesh

        • Unknown Member

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          March 18, 2023 at 1:58 pm

          Fight the fights that matter.
          Being an angry stubborn knucklehead is a losing strategy.

          • william.wang_997

            Member
            March 18, 2023 at 2:09 pm

            How many transgender patients do you encounter in a day ? a month ? a year ?
             
            I have seen 1 in two years. I have seen THOUSANDS of cis gender patients in two years.  Not everyone is running around to get their gender changed. These are very very few people who feel trapped in their bodies with wrong gender. Have mercy on them.

            • buckeyeguy

              Member
              March 18, 2023 at 5:14 pm

              mercy is cutting off organs and mutilating bodies
              Great job of mercy
               
              Now go tell some obese people they should loves themselves more and keep stuffing their faces, because you care about them so much
               
              you can’t make this kind of disease up, thanks for confirming what i said a few posts back, amazing how irredeemable these folks are (that’s what Sam Harris said … until he himself also became irredeemable!) 

              • william.wang_997

                Member
                March 18, 2023 at 6:26 pm

                Make this disease up ? Wait till one of your family members gets this ” disease “.
                 
                These people are born this way. 
                 
                 
                 

                • ruszja

                  Member
                  March 20, 2023 at 7:45 am

                  Quote from RADD2010

                  These people are born this way.

                  I don’t believe that to be true for the majority of transgender individuals. If that was the case, the incidence of the disease should be far more uniform across cultures and geography.

                  • mario.mtz30_447

                    Member
                    March 20, 2023 at 7:56 am

                    Dont agree.  Not a disease, and we dont know what the true incidence is because of cultural shaming.
                     
                    20 years ago, Catholic priest sexual abuse was shocking, now that its uncovered we know its common, the incidence has always been high, we just didnt know what the incidence was because it was covered up.
                     
                     

                    • buckeyeguy

                      Member
                      March 20, 2023 at 4:24 pm

                      Quote from IGotKids2Feed

                      Dont agree.  Not a disease, and we dont know what the true incidence is because of cultural shaming.

                      20 years ago, Catholic priest sexual abuse was shocking, now that its uncovered we know its common, the incidence has always been high, we just didnt know what the incidence was because it was covered up.

                       
                      Yes, these people are largely abused. Now you’re getting somewhere. Telling someone they aren’t their sex is aiding and abetting lying, mental illness, and mutilation. It’s hard to imagine that people would do harm to others like that … even physicians, yet here we are.

                  • buckeyeguy

                    Member
                    March 20, 2023 at 4:22 pm

                    Quote from fw

                    Quote from RADD2010

                    These people are born this way.

                    I don’t believe that to be true for the majority of transgender individuals. If that was the case, the incidence of the disease should be far more uniform across cultures and geography.

                     
                    Critical thinking, or even common sense, doesn’t work with these people. Nothing you say will help someone that far gone. And we the MDs with a real sense of reality, are the one she’s asking if we are actually doctors.
                     
                    unreal, honk honk

                  • william.wang_997

                    Member
                    March 20, 2023 at 4:28 pm

                    [h2]Most Believe Transgender People Are A Natural Occurrence, But Many Still Believe It Is A Mental Illness or Sin[/h2] Given the range of (mis)perceptions that exist about transgender people, Ipsos and BuzzFeed, in discussion with the Williams Institute, developed a series of questions in 2016 designed to better understand how people perceive and understand the concept and emergence of transgender individuals.

                    A majority of people in countries surveyed (52%) believe that transgender people are a natural occurrence. This belief is most commonly held in Spain (64%) and Germany (60%). People in Hungary (44%), Italy (45%), and Japan (48%) are the least likely to believe that transgender people are a natural occurrence. Although people in Italy and Hungary agree at similar rates that transgender people are a natural occurrence, just 11% of people in Italy believe transgender people have a form of mental illness, compared to 43% in Hungary. People in Italy (11%), Spain (9%), Argentina (13%), and France (13%) are least likely to believe that transgender people have a form of mental illness. This compares to two in five people in Serbia (44%), Hungary (43%), and Poland (41%). Among western countries, the United States is most likely to believe that transgender people have a mental illness (32%) and the most likely out of all countries surveyed to believe that transgendered people are committing a sin (32%). Americans are the most likely to say that society has gone too far in allowing people to dress and live as one sex even though they were born another (36%), while people in Japan are least likely to agree with this sentiment (9%).
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     

                    Quote from fw

                    Quote from RADD2010

                    These people are born this way.

                    I don’t believe that to be true for the majority of transgender individuals. If that was the case, the incidence of the disease should be far more uniform across cultures and geography.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      March 20, 2023 at 6:39 pm

                      Another sea change is happening & everyone is adjusting, or resisting. But strict gender definitions are being questioned.
                       
                      The trend is towards acceptance so far. I hope it continues.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      March 21, 2023 at 5:37 am

                      [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/10/science/transgender-teenagers-national-survey.html]Report Reveals Sharp Rise in Transgender Young People in the U.S. – The New York Times (nytimes.com)[/link]
                       
                      This is a social contagion. Grooming and indoctrination plain and simple. This article is from last year, it has gotten worse since. How many kids are getting pushed into getting hormones at critical life stages? How many have serious regrets and want to detransition? Difficult after sexual and surgical mutilation. Has the suicide rate changed among trans people before and after gender affirming procedures and culture? No it hasn’t, it is still tragically high. This is a mental illness and should be treated with patience and compassion and treatment, not indulgence. Many are the result of childhood sexual trauma and abuse. 
                       
                      Watched an interview once with a group of people in the detransitioning movement they said no matter what they did to themselves, they still dreamt as their original selves. I can’t imagine waking up from a dream as one person and looking in the mirror at another, sounds horrible. It’s like reliving that trauma every single morning. 

                    • janamicb_883

                      Member
                      March 21, 2023 at 6:03 am

                      The anti-LGBT prejudice as exhibited by some of these “doctors” are just appalling. If I were your chair or section chief, I will mandate 1 hour of sensitivity and cultural competence trainings for each of you, for 1 year.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      March 21, 2023 at 6:09 am

                      Another school shooting in Texas yesterday

                      But the Q-Anon types are fixated on girls who want to boys and boys who want to be girls

                    • mariana.gonzalez_122

                      Member
                      March 21, 2023 at 6:13 am

                      Altering puberty and brain development in adolescents and pre adolescents needs more study, imo. You cant drink til 21, cant drive til 16 or older etc, but can make an irreversible life changing medical decision without robust study or data? For doctors to blithely accept this as the new status quo, putting psychological health over physiologic health without real study seems at the very least a debatably wrong choice, and to debate it shouldn’t default label one as needing sensitivity training or being a bigot

                    • Unknown Member

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                      March 21, 2023 at 6:23 am

                      Doctors have given up on science years ago. Our profession has become a heap of junk science built upon political narratives, group think, trash studies to further narratives, outright fraud and corruption and regulatory capture. 
                       
                      Academics is just a paper mill where researchers are pushed to publish quantity and not quality to secure grants. Non-reproducibility in studies is rampant. Fraud is everywhere. Look at the fraud of the last decade and hundreds of millions of dollars in just alzheimer’s research and by extension research into CTE and other neurological issues. All based on one paper that was based on photoshopped results. 
                       
                      Look at the use of AZT in HIV and remdesivir in Covid. Both failed drugs big pharma had sitting around under patent and threw out there with no data that they did anything, except cause harm. 

                    • Unknown Member

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                      March 21, 2023 at 7:04 am

                      How many transgender kids do you know?

                      I know a lot of kids that have witnessed and been affected by school shootings

                      If you are really concerned about kids, school shootings a much bigger issue

                    • Unknown Member

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                      March 21, 2023 at 7:10 am

                      Well in NJ several, On of my friends daughters high school in MD has like 25% of students Identifying as LGBTQ/Trans or whatever. 
                      You don’t know any kids that witnessed a school shooting unless you live in the inner city, the vast majority of those are gang/drug related. 

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      March 21, 2023 at 7:31 am

                      But you dont know any personally?

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      March 21, 2023 at 7:51 am

                      Of course I do.
                      But 25%?
                      And how do you come up with that figure, especially anecdotally?
                       
                      I don’t get why the transgender issue is such a hot topic for so many. There is a lot of anger and rage on both sides of the issue. Settle down everyone, it will reach an acceptable equilibrium over time. 

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      March 21, 2023 at 7:54 am

                      Its about gender roles that scares those people who require conformist role behavior.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      March 21, 2023 at 8:05 am

                      It seems obvious to me that gender and sexual identity can’t truly be binary. There has to be an in-between.
                      That’s nature. White hair, black hair, blond hair, red hair and brown…
                      Some people identify between the extremes; why is that is a surprise?
                      The challenge is to gracefully adopt it into the culture; not deny it, or ram it down our throats.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      March 21, 2023 at 8:07 am

                      I actually dont know any

                      Just trying to get a feel for who actually knows transgender teenagers and pre teens

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      March 21, 2023 at 8:13 am

                      I know three adults. 
                      They all have responsible jobs, are in committed relationships, nice people overall.
                      No big deal.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      March 21, 2023 at 8:14 am

                      But are the kids?

                      Teenagers?

                      Pre teens?

                    • mariana.gonzalez_122

                      Member
                      March 21, 2023 at 8:22 am

                      I know several, 2 fairly close friends with parents. As i have kids entering adolescence, and its a hot topic in the culture wars, cant help but think about it. School shootings cant help but think about either, but politically that issue is going nowhere and second amemdment people.arent De facto bigots. You are a conservative ahole if u have any nuance on gun control issues, but are phobic or whatever if you say how about data on this stuff.

                      Really main thing is teenage drivers and poor decisions behind the wheel that give me anxiety

                    • ruszja

                      Member
                      March 21, 2023 at 11:09 am

                      Quote from Chirorad84

                      I actually dont know any

                      Just trying to get a feel for who actually knows transgender teenagers and pre teens

                      Three.

                      Well, now its two. One ended up sticking with biological gender after a year or so. Luckily no biological damage was done at that point. The kids in the class just moved on, they are much more fluent with this than the adults. ‘Oh, Trey is a pronoun, nbd.’

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      March 21, 2023 at 11:19 am

                      Chiro as POC as Elizabeth Warren, thanks for the clarification

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      March 21, 2023 at 11:29 am

                      So is this more of red state or rural issue

                      Sounds like it

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      March 21, 2023 at 11:30 am

                      Or maybe blue areas just dont fixated on it

                    • ruszja

                      Member
                      March 21, 2023 at 11:48 am

                      Quote from Chirorad84

                      So is this more of red state or rural issue

                      Sounds like it

                      No, you are just ignorant and you don’t notice that there are a few trans kids in your school.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      March 21, 2023 at 5:13 pm

                      Nope I coach 2 sports

                      I Know most of the school

                      You rednecks are just Fd up

                    • jeevonbenning_648

                      Member
                      March 22, 2023 at 6:49 am

                      You know most of the school.. hmm.

                      Do you like kids jumping on your lap as our current president does [;)]

                    • mariana.gonzalez_122

                      Member
                      March 21, 2023 at 8:31 am

                      I know 2 well. Have 2 kids so issue is of interest to me. School shootings as well. But main concern is teenage driving

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      March 21, 2023 at 9:10 am

                      Except of course if its a school shooting like sandy hook by the antifa actors

      • amyelizabethbarrett28_711

        Member
        March 19, 2023 at 3:53 pm

        Quote from IGotKids2Feed

        Quote from boomer

        For that the one time where it becomes an issue because of an irate patient; dictate an addendum and move on.

        Addendum
        What was initially thought to represent a prostate gland is a normal smoothly marginated pelvic organ soft tissue density encircling the urethra with bilateral fluid filled protruding multilobulated structures.  

        How’s that?

      • amyelizabethbarrett28_711

        Member
        March 19, 2023 at 3:53 pm

        Quote from IGotKids2Feed

        Quote from boomer

        For that the one time where it becomes an issue because of an irate patient; dictate an addendum and move on.

        Addendum
        What was initially thought to represent a prostate gland is a normal smoothly marginated pelvic organ soft tissue density encircling the urethra with bilateral fluid filled protruding multilobulated structures.  

        How’s that?

  • amyelizabethbarrett28_711

    Member
    March 19, 2023 at 3:55 pm

    Quote from IGotKids2Feed

    Quote from boomer

    For that the one time where it becomes an issue because of an irate patient; dictate an addendum and move on.

    Addendum
    What was initially thought to represent a prostate gland is a normal smoothly marginated pelvic organ soft tissue density encircling the urethra with bilateral fluid filled protruding multilobulated structures.  

    How’s that?

     
    [image]https://i.ibb.co/sJNjRLg/de615z3-3cbcba2f-6946-4f2c-8a46-3ae9f5cab2df.jpg[/image]

    • william.wang_997

      Member
      March 19, 2023 at 5:18 pm

      How many of these people are out there, I ask again. What percentage of these transgender people do you encounter in your day to day life.
       
      Ans: NONE.
       
      Leave them alone. Let them live their lives. Stop being a trans phobe.

      • tom.claikens_334

        Member
        March 19, 2023 at 6:47 pm

        .

        • ipadfawazipad_778

          Member
          March 19, 2023 at 8:41 pm

          Its a form of psychosis. Reality is boys have a penis, girls have a vagina. I dont really care either way. All people deserve love and respect whatever illness they may have. To encourage people in their Illness is the exact opposite.

          • william.wang_997

            Member
            March 19, 2023 at 10:31 pm

            Are you people Doctors ?? If you think that this is a form of psychosis, you definitely need more information.
             
            [size=”3″]Transgender: [/size] Being transgender is not a mental illness. But people who are transgender face unique challenges, such as gender dysphoria and discrimination, which can affect their mental health. Getting support and assistance from a qualified provider can bring healing and help live a healthier, more fulfilling life.
             

            • mario.mtz30_447

              Member
              March 19, 2023 at 10:38 pm

              RADD2010, agree with you 100%.  My beef is with the hospital administrators telling us how to practice medicine, not transgender people.

            • shelley.bolyardshankle_820

              Member
              March 21, 2023 at 9:24 am

              If have d*ck and you think you’re a chick, you’re nuts.  Coockoo.  Bat poo crazy.  Get help.

              • alyaa.rifaie_129

                Member
                March 21, 2023 at 9:32 am

                The reason this is an issue is because the schools w their unqualified teachers and staff are getting involved w/o informing the parents.

              • Unknown Member

                Deleted User
                March 21, 2023 at 9:35 am

                This is where people need to be kind. Transgender folks are not doing this for fun, they clearly have identity issues. I imagine it is quite a psychic struggle. Attacking them is cruel and unnecessary. There is a point of reasonable compromise I am confident we will reach over time. Until then, chill. 
                As long as they show up to work on time; I dont have an issue 

                • Unknown Member

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                  March 21, 2023 at 10:18 am

                  I wonder if this is a bigger issue In conservative areas

                  I live in a pretty progressive area of Colorado and I have a high schooler and a middle schooler

                  Ive never seen a transgender kid.

                  My kids play multiple sports

                  Its never been an issue

                  Perhaps its a conservative area issue because of conformity backlash

                  I dont know

                  • kayla.meyer_144

                    Member
                    March 21, 2023 at 10:19 am

                    Fear.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      March 21, 2023 at 10:31 am

                      LOL chiro in his little NIMBY gated community regaling us with his life experience. Probably hasn’t seen a black person in months and votes against low income housing while shouting his virtue signals from the highest peaks. 

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      March 21, 2023 at 11:01 am

                      My great grandfather was of black African descent

                      Im half Puerto Rican

                      I think I know a little more about people of color than you

                  • Unknown Member

                    Deleted User
                    March 21, 2023 at 1:04 pm

                    Respectfully Chiro was talking about the presence of Trans people, not anti-trans legislation. So please keep trying to twist the conversation to further your political agenda.

                    Quote from Chirorad84

                    I wonder if this is a bigger issue In conservative areas

                    I live in a pretty progressive area of Colorado and I have a high schooler and a middle schooler

                    Ive never seen a transgender kid.

                    My kids play multiple sports

                    Its never been an issue

                    Perhaps its a conservative area issue because of conformity backlash

                    I dont know

                    • william.wang_997

                      Member
                      March 21, 2023 at 1:14 pm

                      Red states have ALWAYS been wrong on all social issues.
                       
                      First they were against divorce , pretty soon they were for it !! and adopted Trump ( divorced many times) and Foxy 92 year old Rupert Murdoch ( married 5th time day before yesterday).
                       
                      First they were against black white marriage, until they became for it ( and now go for it more so to have kids who excel in sports )
                       
                      They were anti gay , until they became pro gay and adopted people like Peter Thiel and George Santos into their fold.
                       
                      Now they are anti Trans, with all the legislative agendas !
                       
                       

                       
                       

  • janamicb_883

    Member
    March 20, 2023 at 4:27 pm

    I am worried about your mental health. Btw, are you republican?
     

    Quote from Dream Run

    Quote from IGotKids2Feed

    Dont agree.  Not a disease, and we dont know what the true incidence is because of cultural shaming.

    20 years ago, Catholic priest sexual abuse was shocking, now that its uncovered we know its common, the incidence has always been high, we just didnt know what the incidence was because it was covered up.

    Yes, these people are largely abused. Now you’re getting somewhere. Telling someone they aren’t their sex is aiding and abetting lying, mental illness, and mutilation. It’s hard to imagine that people would do harm to others like that … even physicians, yet here we are.

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    March 21, 2023 at 7:25 am

    “On of my friends daughters high school in MD has like 25% of students Identifying as LGBTQ/Trans or whatever.”
     
    Give me a break. How can anyone take you seriously when presenting data in this fashion.

  • Unknown Member

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    March 21, 2023 at 8:36 am

    [link=https://nypost.com/2023/02/22/four-out-of-five-kids-who-question-their-gender-grow-out-of-it-trans-expert/]Four out of five kids who question their gender ‘grow out of it’: Trans expert (nypost.com)[/link]

    • Unknown Member

      Deleted User
      March 21, 2023 at 8:45 am

      The most hilarious example of this was watching a leaked internal zoom meeting of disney executives. One woke exec discussed how she had one trans kid and one pansexual kid. Amazing coincidence.
       
      Also amazing how the trans fad is almost exclusively a white upper middle class/rich issue. Not a lot of kids transitioning in the black, latino, muslim communities and not many in poor areas, I wonder why that is?

      • Unknown Member

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        March 21, 2023 at 9:08 am

        If its on the Internet its true

      • janamicb_883

        Member
        March 21, 2023 at 9:08 am

        Well I can tell you – trans kids in those communities are intersectionl, and often face not just LGBTQIA related barriers, but barriers due to their intersectional characteristics. It is often more challening for them to come forward. Systemic bias also makes it harder for them to share their experiences and grief as well.
         

        Quote from Skripnik

        The most hilarious example of this was watching a leaked internal zoom meeting of disney executives. One woke exec discussed how she had one trans kid and one pansexual kid. Amazing coincidence.

        Also amazing how the trans fad is almost exclusively a white upper middle class/rich issue. Not a lot of kids transitioning in the black, latino, muslim communities and not many in poor areas, I wonder why that is?

  • shelley.bolyardshankle_820

    Member
    March 21, 2023 at 9:14 am

    We don’t deal with mental illness in radiology.  Radiology is based on actual science.  

  • kayla.meyer_144

    Member
    March 21, 2023 at 10:15 am

    Quote from DocinPA

     
    “Excuse me, Ma’am, you have prostate cancer.” 

     

    Quote from DocinPA

    If have d*ck and you think you’re a chick, you’re nuts.  Coockoo.  Bat poo crazy.  Get help.

    And you have precisely explained a reason why people are rejecting specific pronouns that wedge them into very specific genders and roles.
     
    As for chicks with d1cks, see The Crying Game. Also porn, for those who like.
     
    Its a brave new world forming. I frankly do not care if Mary has a prostate or Steven a vagina. If they are good people, what else is important. Just let them live a good life with everyone.

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    March 21, 2023 at 11:54 am

    Look at the hypocrisy, Chiro literally says he isn’t transphobic and supports gender affirmation, yet says that is must be a red state rural problem (i.e. code for stupid and a gay republican thing). Even referring to it as a problem by his own moral code is transphobic. 
     
    Typical liberal sensibilities. Shout how virtuous you are yet show us how bigoted you are. 

    • janamicb_883

      Member
      March 21, 2023 at 12:34 pm

      Respectfully, anti-LGBTQIA agenda and hostilities do in fact tend to be a red-state problem. This goes back decades and the trends are irrefutable. From the don’t-say-gay laws, to adversarial briefs by red state attorneys general submitted to the SCOTUS at LGBT civil rights cases, to daily assaults and legislative efforts that are too numerous to list here.
       
      [link=https://www.texastribune.org/2020/09/03/nick-moutos-texas-attorney-general/]https://www.texastribune….exas-attorney-general/[/link]
       

      Quote from Skripnik

      Look at the hypocrisy, Chiro literally says he isn’t transphobic and supports gender affirmation, yet says that is must be a red state rural problem (i.e. code for stupid and a gay republican thing). Even referring to it as a problem by his own moral code is transphobic. 

      Typical liberal sensibilities. Shout how virtuous you are yet show us how bigoted you are. 

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        March 21, 2023 at 12:35 pm

        Seems like its definitely a red state issue

    • buckeyeguy

      Member
      March 21, 2023 at 12:52 pm

      Be kind = aid and abet mental disease and mutilation or castration by chemicals/hormones.
       
      You can’t help this kind of disease, and they all have it.
       
      First, do no harm. Telling people lies or saying it’s ok to be delusional, obese, or you choose the sickness IS NOT being kind.

      • shelley.bolyardshankle_820

        Member
        March 21, 2023 at 1:12 pm

        Do we now “affirm” anorexia and tell patients to go ahead and starve themselves?  Do we “affirm” those who think they shouldn’t have a limb and encourage them to chop it off?  Do we tell psychotics that yes, you are in fact Napoleon, go forth and conquer Russia?  Or is transgenderism the one mental illness that is sacrosanct and allow children-CHILDREN!-who aren’t old enough to drink, drive, buy a gun or sign a contract, consent to mutilation by butchers who are no better than Josef Mengele?  You can do what you want as an adult, but you don’t own the language and you are not going to make me lie to myself.  If you’re a guy, you’re a guy, get over it.  Take it up with God when you get there.

        • kayla.meyer_144

          Member
          March 21, 2023 at 1:21 pm

          Does God have a penis or vagina?

          Testosterone or estrogen?

          Serious question.

          • smfst7_929

            Member
            March 24, 2023 at 8:25 am

            So it seems Frumious and Chirorad support gender surgery on minors. Wonder what they will say in 10-20 years once this is considered illegal everywhere.

            My guess is theyll say: oops. My bad

        • william.wang_997

          Member
          March 21, 2023 at 1:27 pm

          con·serv·a·tive

          [b] [/b]

          [*]
          averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.
          Similar:

          traditionalist

          traditional

          conventional

          orthodox

          old-fashioned

          dyed-in-the-wool

          unchanging

          hidebound

          timid

          unadventurous

          unenterprising

          set in one’s ways

          There is a reason why MORE conservatives DIED during covid. Because they were rigid and could not adapt.

          [/ol]

          • Unknown Member

            Deleted User
            March 21, 2023 at 1:34 pm

            Aw look at the moral liberal tap dancing on the graves of his politcal opposition.
            Also that data is total BS. The rural vs urban data gives you the exact same outcome, likely due to decreased access to aggressive high level or tertiary care. 
            [image]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/images/databriefs/401-450/db417-fig1.png[/image]

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