[btomba_77]

7 years later …… why not revisit 🙂
[h2][b]What Happens if the GOP Tries to Leave Trump Behind[/b][/h2]  
 
[b]Trump would surely sabotage the GOP rather than accept losing the 2024 nomination.[/b]
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[link=https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/06/24/desantis-trump-2024-00041790]Jeff Greenfield[/link]: It is the fundamental belief or tropism of Trump that he is incapable of losing an election honestly. The loss itself is proof of fraud, and even a potential loss is grounds for rejecting the results. In one of the first debates of 2016, he was the only Republican candidate who would not pledge to back the partys ultimate nominee. When he lost the Iowa caucuses to Ted Cruz, he tweeted: Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa Caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified. He claimed he lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton in 2016 because of the millions of aliens who voted illegally.
 
Given this core character trait, what do you suppose will happen if Trump faces a serious competitor for the nomination in 2024? Is he likely to accept the vote count that shows him losing a primary or caucus? Is it likely he will forego the temptation to challenge every convention rule that poses a threat to him? (If you want to see what a genuinely contested GOP convention looks like, check out the Taft-Roosevelt fight in 1912, or the Eisenhower-Taft confrontation of 1952.)
 
Most important, a Trump who is denied the nomination which, by his account, must have been the product of horrible, disgusting cheating the likes of which nobody has ever seen is a Trump with the inclination and the resources to run an independent campaign for president. And hell have enough true believers to doom whoever the GOP nominee is.
 

[satyanar]

Gosh, Ive been saying for years that Trump in the race only helps the Dems. More good analysis.

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/07/no-labels-unity-presidential-ticket-centrist-group-2024-00072712]Inside the turmoil roiling No Labels’ unity ticket presidential campaign

[/link]The centrist group says its critics dont give it proper credit. But ex-staffers say the organization is rife with problems.

Over the past year, the centrist group No Labels [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/opinion/third-presidential-candidate-2024.html?unlocked_article_code=uX6GBWOrOOhA0S-Mmn88hmWD1yXxlYWTOsJzonnAS9nN9KDIr1v3ykPdfUMvMB-GR1YBSdZi0I6G2YhXre8HSHkbW9SDLCKAHx1HiptLjNROZtEQtukxjQV0FKie9Nz3J6xoTvmOX-0r74mfdBdRst8izQZd-Q9bQmkugotoCfjo9hbrJx944zVeVyK2jgNK-fBvvPuvNpQznmahxIrMwptNjcZXQ12OrI7iaeBe7Y20S5G_krDk1LTJf7K62T63idt9sAhEI6NK55oZ8m27R570-qghoOYIOxv8Ai-_7mQWJ7mmLBefpYXzsyd2WvrK5GyTE70A0iNPYozUdwvoXQUHrWapzscf0l9e&smid=share-url]has spearheaded[/link] an ambitious $70 million project laying the groundwork for a unity ticket presidential campaign in 2024.
For that effort, its founder and CEO, one of Washingtons most successful fundraisers, Nancy Jacobson, has enlisted the help of a number of major donors and sought support in top political allies. Outgoing Gov. Larry Hogan (R-Md.), who is considering a presidential run, is the groups co-chair. Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo recently [link=https://puck.news/mccarthys-new-buds-mike-pompeos-24-curiosity/]met[/link] with the groups executives and donors in Dallas.
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But behind the scenes there is turmoil inside the organization. Interviews with 14 former employeesincluding five who left in the last few monthsand four other people familiar with No Labels reveals a cutthroat culture, one where staffers are routinely fired or pushed out, have little trust in management, and believe the workplace environment can be difficult for minority and female colleagues.
The internal discord threatens to hamper the well-financed plans that the group has for the next election. Former aides say that staff turnover and bad relations with management make executing on projects more difficult. One former employee said she suffered a panic attack under the intense pressure from her superiors. These staffers add that the image No Labels projects of an institution striving to reform the countrys rigidly partisan political system hides what one former aide said is a toxic culture.

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[satyanar]

If one can read critically thats a pretty good piece. I encourage everyone here to read the whole thing because it has parts that will please everybody. Obviously an agenda for the author but it is clear it is tough to criticize the centrist mission of the group. I dont doubt there are major problems on the personnelle side. There are in every business, especially these days. My familiarity with the organization comes from the major donor side. The people I know well will not tolerate continued mistreatment of employees.

One thing I will say is a third party is not part of their mission so this is not the best thread for the article.

I believe the most powerful result of their mission is the Problem Solvers caucus. Ive written about it before so wont again. Its easy ti learn about if one has an interest in being more than a hobby poster. It would be fun to have a discussion about the pluses and minuses.

[btomba_77]

[h1]Think Tank Warns Against Third Party Efforts[/h1]
A new [link=https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-dangerous-illusion-of-a-presidential-third-party-in-2024]report from Third Way[/link],

A third party could hand the presidency to Donald Trump.

Our two-party system has evolved in such a way that makes it close to impossible for a third-party candidate to [link=https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/america-isnt-really-set-up-for-third-party-presidential-bids/]actually win[/link] the election outright. Instead, they would act as a spoilerand [b]anything but a staunchly conservative third-party candidate would be far more likely to pull support from the party in power in the White House, the Democratic ticket rather than the Republican. [/b]Given that recently discussed third-party candidates are either moderates or from the far-left, for the purpose of this report we will not focus on the possibility of a candidate running as more far-right than Trump.
 
To be sure, we support efforts to thoughtfully study and implement reforms that could make our democracy more representative and less polarized. But running a third-party candidate at the Presidential level in 2024 would do nothing to advance those goals. Below we lay out the historical case and empirical data indicating that a strong moderate or left-wing third-party candidacy would help only Donald Trump or a Trumpian Republican nominee.

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 If a third-party candidate blew past historic precedent and managed to win enough Electoral Votes [link=https://electoralvotemap.com/]to keep any candidate from getting to 270[/link], then the outcome would be decided in the House of Representatives, which is controlled by Republicans and where Donald Trump would prevail.
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[kayla.meyer_144]

THIS! I totally agree. All this nonsense about a 3rd party is fantasy. All this middle road centrist party is fantasy from the Right who feel bad pulling the lever for Trump and cant pull it for Democrats regardless of everything. The nonsense about the Democrats being too leftist radicals is again pure nonsense fantasy rationalization. Thats been the Right-wing nonsense for decades now, that and Democrats are the party of the minority, meaning the party for Black people and somehow anti-White since Civil Rights. Ive seen it all develop since the 1960s. It is the Republicans who have pulled Right since Reagan.  Democrats moved Right if anything trying to attract these voters, the Blue Dogs who became Republicans but Republican-lite; was just diluted Republicanism, especially as Newt & Buchanan moved the party ever right-ward extremist and anti-compromise.
 
Weve had 2 parties, the same 2 parties, at least in name for over 170 years now. All 3rd parties who have tried have only temporarily pulled voters to it for an election but never a win. See Ross Perot and Ralph Nader or 2016 election. None of them lasted a day ;after the elections they affected.
 
There will be no 3rd party unless and until Republicans continue moving Right losing moderate Republicans to Democrats for the next several years & only then can a 3rd party make inroads.
 
Until then, a 3rd party, a centrist party is fantasy that will win nothing except give the election away, likely to Republicans since Democrats like the more centrist policies of the Democrats. I predict Republicans will move further Right with all the issues that attract Right-wingers here & in Europe.
 
 

[satyanar]

Good. Back to the thread title.