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The non-viability and fraud of the ‘electric car’
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Mitsubishi outlander?
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Im on my third Tesla model S. Very viable.
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yeah mitsubishi outlander PHEV – The outgoing Wynne liberal government gave me 7 k Canadian to get it.
It’s really good! Less than 50km / 30 miles per day you never buy gas, longer trips 3.5 litres per hundred km.
Build quality is not the greatest – definitely not a luxury class vehicle but very functional and perfect for our winters too. Battery performance does diminish slightly in the colder weather.
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[url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-20/ford-invests-900-million-to-build-electric-vehicles-in-michigan?srnd=premium]Ford to invest nearly $1 billion to build EV’s in Michigan[/url]
Roughly a year and a half after shifting production of a future electric sport utility vehicle [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-07/ford-moving-production-of-electric-suv-from-michigan-to-mexico]to Mexico[/link] from Flat Rock, Michigan, Ford says it now plans to build other battery-powered models there and add a second shift of workers by 2023, at a cost of $850 million. The automaker also is spending $50 million to establish a facility near Detroit where workers will add the self-driving software to autonomous vehicles that will be built at Flat Rock. The factory will continue to produce the Mustang sports car and Lincoln Continental sedan.[/QUOTE]
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The big guys will end up doing it better. Elon has a problem producing cars in a timely fashion and apparently at cost. Also his Twitter keeps running a fowl of SEC.
The odd thing is for as much as I hear about people waiting on model 3, when I drove by Tesla in Lyndhurst the lot looked chock full of Teslas.
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Well it’s not Tesla but I’ve always thought that would be a good use of the factory. Never heard of Workhorse.
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[link=https://electrek.co/2019/09/19/daimler-stops-developing-internal-combustion-engines-to-focus-on-electric-cars/]https://electrek.co/2019/09/19/daimler-stops-developing-internal-combustion-engines-to-focus-on-electric-cars/[/link]
[link=https://electrek.co/2019/09/19/daimler-stops-developing-internal-combustion-engines-to-focus-on-electric-cars/]Daimler stops developing internal combustion engines to focus on electric cars[/link]
The German automaker whose namesake, Gottlieb Daimler, is credited for having invented the prototype of the modern gasoline engine recently released its latest generation internal combustion engine and it might be its last.
According to German magazine [link=https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/tech-zukunft/daimler-stoppt-verbrennungsmotoren-entwicklung-2019/]Auto Motor und Sport[/link], Daimler development chief Markus Schaefer said that they currently have no plans to develop a next-generation combustion engine and they are focusing on new electric powertrains.
While they will not invest in the development of new combustion engines, Schaefer reportedly noted that they still might work on some specific parts to improve on their existing engines.
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It is not a Swedish trait to be confrontational, so one might have missed the challenge Volvo recently issued to Tesla Motors and all the other producers of electric vehicles: the Chinese-owned Swedish brand intends to be a dominant player in the EV space. Volvo has said its goal is to generate 50 percent of global sales from fully electric cars by 2025, and it has entwined that effort into the altruistic goal of achieving a 50 percent reduction in tailpipe carbon emissions per car between 2018 and 2025.
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[link=https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/480063-gm-investing-billions-in-michigan-plant-to-produce-electric-trucks]GM investing billions in Michigan plant to produce electric trucks, SUVs[/link]
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The future is hybrid electric/IC engine, and we have them already.
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No
The future is strictly electric vehicles
Hybrid engines are less efficient and once battery and other issue are ironed out it will become industry standard quickly
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I think the Honda/Toyota have the best go forward plan of electrifying vehicles via hybrid tech, and eventually getting to electric.
I see Volvo mentioned there. I find Volvo a tough sell with it’s hybrids at this point as it seems more performance orientated than MPG orientated, plus it’s a big up charge for 4MPG.
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The future is strictly electric vehicles
Hybrid engines are less efficient and once battery and other issue are ironed out it will become industry standard quickly
Cold weather. Too heavy. You are incorrect, but I’m used to that.-
[link=https://www.marketwatch.com/story/latest-loss-by-tesla-shorts-25-billion-on-monday-alone-2020-02-03]https://www.marketwatch.com/story/latest-loss-by-tesla-shorts-25-billion-on-monday-alone-2020-02-03[/link]
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Morgan Stanley raises bull case for TSLA to $2500, says the company looks to be able to generate much more revenue than traditional auto makers within 10 years.
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Interesting. “Able to generate more revenue.” Does that mean in selling cars or stocks?
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[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-24/california-is-banning-gasoline-cars-now-the-ev-race-begins]California Is Banning Gasoline Cars. Now the EV Race Truly Begins[/link]
On Wednesday, Governor Gavin Newsom ordered regulators to phase out the internal combustion engine and ban the sale of all new gasoline-fueled cars after 2035. With that, California became the first state in America to impose such a prohibition and delivered the biggest jolt yet to automakers already under pressure to give up fossil fuels and deliver a new generation of electric vehicles.The target is aggressive, but it has the potential to speed the pace of EV adoption among automakers, said Stephanie Brinley, a principal automotive analyst for IHS Markit.
If it actually happens, it does create a reason and impetus to make change happen faster, Brinley said. If you have the opportunity for volume there, and youre going to be able to sell the car, then you can put more money into investing and increasing your capacity faster.
Newsoms order — signed on the [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-18/ford-trots-out-electric-mustang-suv-to-challenge-tesla-dominance]hood[/link] of the forthcoming electric Ford Mustang Mach-E — will inevitably set the tone for states across America. Not only is California the largest car market in the U.S., its also one of the nations biggest gasoline consumers and the worlds second-largest EV market, behind only China. The strength of its transportation policy has always hinged on the fact that automakers, other like-minded states and often the nation have tended to follow suit.
The ban is a kiss of death for gasoline and petroleum as California tends to be a trendsetter, said Patrick DeHaan, head of petroleum analysis for fuel-pricing firm GasBuddy.[/QUOTE]
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Tesla also promising a $25,000 car in a couple of years.
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Tesla over promises and under delivers. It’ll be $25k but if you want fancy software it’ll be $40k.
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[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-24/california-is-banning-gasoline-cars-now-the-ev-race-begins]California Is Banning Gasoline Cars. Now the EV Race Truly Begins[/link]
On Wednesday, Governor Gavin Newsom ordered regulators to phase out the internal combustion engine and ban the sale of all new gasoline-fueled cars after 2035. With that, California became the first state in America to impose such a prohibition and delivered the biggest jolt yet to automakers already under pressure to give up fossil fuels and deliver a new generation of electric vehicles.The target is aggressive, but it has the potential to speed the pace of EV adoption among automakers, said Stephanie Brinley, a principal automotive analyst for IHS Markit.
If it actually happens, it does create a reason and impetus to make change happen faster, Brinley said. If you have the opportunity for volume there, and youre going to be able to sell the car, then you can put more money into investing and increasing your capacity faster.
Newsoms order — signed on the [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-18/ford-trots-out-electric-mustang-suv-to-challenge-tesla-dominance]hood[/link] of the forthcoming electric Ford Mustang Mach-E — will inevitably set the tone for states across America. Not only is California the largest car market in the U.S., its also one of the nations biggest gasoline consumers and the worlds second-largest EV market, behind only China. The strength of its transportation policy has always hinged on the fact that automakers, other like-minded states and often the nation have tended to follow suit.
The ban is a kiss of death for gasoline and petroleum as California tends to be a trendsetter, said Patrick DeHaan, head of petroleum analysis for fuel-pricing firm GasBuddy.[/QUOTE]
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The same thing that powers the rest of the electric grid.
Coal(hopefully less and less), hydroelectric, nat gas, solar & wind (hopefully more and more)
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Oh yeah… and nuclear
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This is supposed to coincide with Cali going completely carbon free by 2045. That with their last nuclear power station being retired in 2025 and an already severely strained electrical grid. Gonna being interesting to see if they can pull it all off. Gonna be some ridiculously expensive power would be my prediction.
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Considering the Enron fiasco trying to bankrupt Cali using fossil fuels, I think you are dead wrong. Renewables will be as cheap and cheaper (remove fossil fuel subsidies or provide the equivalent amount for renewables) than fossil fuels. In fact we are way ahead of where doubters were predicting we be only 10 years ago.
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Eventually renewables will as cheap or cheaper because of not only mechanization but discovery costs are basically nil compared to fossil fuels and technology will become more efficient in production
Its going to take a little time but we will adjusts and costs will be not only less but less likely to be manipulated
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I was reading about newer nuclear fuel. Less uranium and more thorium (if I recall correctly). Supposedly the thorium makes less waste. Barrier is cost. Sure would be a good investment in infrastructure week.
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I was reading about newer nuclear fuel. Less uranium and more thorium (if I recall correctly). Supposedly the thorium makes less waste. Barrier is cost. Sure would be a good investment in infrastructure week.
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Considering the Enron fiasco trying to bankrupt Cali using fossil fuels, I think you are dead wrong. Renewables will be as cheap and cheaper (remove fossil fuel subsidies or provide the equivalent amount for renewables) than fossil fuels. In fact we are way ahead of where doubters were predicting we be only 10 years ago.
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Eventually renewables will as cheap or cheaper because of not only mechanization but discovery costs are basically nil compared to fossil fuels and technology will become more efficient in production
Its going to take a little time but we will adjusts and costs will be not only less but less likely to be manipulated
The point being that you won’t find anyone who envisions a future where Americans use primarily electric vehicles who also sees a future where the bulk of our electricity is generated by burning hydrocarbons.
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Even the manufacturers are moving everything towards electrification. Less cars coming with straight up gas motors. More and more hybrids. Its a good bridge to the future.
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9 Teslas in our group of 12. They sure are fun to drive. Dozens at our golf club.
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Here Dan, Molten Salt Reactors. Talked about it for awhile in Climate Denial thread.
From 2013:
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[link=https://www.businessinsider.com/gmc-hummer-ev-electric-pickup-truck-photos-features-specs-2020-10]https://www.businessinsid…features-specs-2020-10[/link]
[h1]GMC Reveals Hummer EV, a 1,000-horsepower electric pickup to take on the Tesla Cybertruck [/h1]
GMC unveiled the long-awaited Hummer EV on Tuesday and although the new Hummer is large as ever, it doesn’t guzzle fuel or emit greenhouse gases like its ancestors.
The Hummer EV an electric pickup set to compete with [link=https://www.businessinsider.com/coolest-features-electric-pickup-trucks-tesla-rivian-bollinger-nikola-lordstown-2020-7]upcoming zero-emission trucks[/link] from Rivian, Tesla, Ford, Lordstown, and Nikola [link=https://www.businessinsider.com/gmc-hummer-will-be-a-1000-horsepower-electric-super-truck-2020-1]was supposed to debut back in May[/link], but the pandemic delayed those plans. Now GMC has revealed all the details, pricing, and trim levels for the Hummer EV.
Reservations are now open for the “Edition 1” version, which will be the first model available and carries a starting MSRP of $112,595. That truck comes with a [link=https://www.businessinsider.com/2022-hummer-ev-edition-1-coolest-features-gmc-electric-pickup-2020-10]huge assortment of interesting features[/link], and boasts the lineup’s most powerful drivetrain, a tri-motor setup that GMC says puts out 1,000 horsepower.
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I saw Lebron tweet about can’t wait to get his hands on one. Apparently you need Lebron $ to buy one.
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I saw Lebron tweet about can’t wait to get his hands on one. Apparently you need Lebron $ to buy one.
Heh … yeah … big $$
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[link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-biden-detroit-gets-a-car-guy-with-electric-vehicles-on-his-mind-11604923200?mod=e2fb&fbclid=IwAR2Mr9zJOtsZyRddzpTJUn8d50p8QbjHcN1fzVCUn7lII-KqyZ_LFm64eEc]https://www.wsj.com/artic…VCUn7lII-KqyZ_LFm64eEc[/link]
[b]In Biden, Detroit Gets a Car Guy With Electric Vehicles on His Mind[/b]
Car companies are preparing for the Biden administration to deliver tougher fuel-economy rules and support electric vehicles
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[link=https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/09/general-motors-to-add-3000-jobs-focused-on-electric-vehicles.html]https://www.cnbc.com/2020…electric-vehicles.html[/link]
[h1]General Motors to add 3,000 jobs focused on electric vehicles[/h1]
[link=https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/ford-jobs-plants-electric-vehicles-auto-cars]https://www.foxbusiness.c…ric-vehicles-auto-cars[/link][h1]Ford adding 350 jobs at 2 plants to make electric vehicles[/h1]
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[link=https://www.autoblog.com/2020/11/13/vw-investment-electric-cars-hybrids-software/]https://www.autoblog.com/…cars-hybrids-software/[/link]
[h1]VW to invest $86 billion in electric cars, hybrids, digital tech in next 5 years[/h1] [h2]70 models of EVs by 2030, and almost as many hybrids[/h2]
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I’m more than happy with the free market dictating the transition to electric cars but right now it’s just a facade.
There aren’t enough charging stations.
Electricity has to to come from the grid, which may not offset the CO2 emissions from the cars (depends on where the new grid energy comes from).
I’ll revert back to my “go nuclear” platform 🙂
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GO ELECTRIC! More and more companies are directing attention to alternative transportation solutions.
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Im pretty happy with my new Highlander Hybrid. While its not totally electric its definitely doing really good with MPG. Ive gotten over 40mpg just going to and from work. Ive gotten as good as 56 on trips with slower speeds. Its not gonna win any drag races but it moves swift enough that I dont really feel like Im missing much over a v6 (or the V8 Jeep I traded)
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[link=https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/531259-transportation-nominee-pete-buttigieg-says-millions-of-new-electric]Transportation nominee Buttigieg says millions of new electric vehicles needed on US roads[/link]
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[link=https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/532684-massachusetts-to-require-100-percent-of-car-sales-to-be]Massachusetts to require 100 percent of car sales to be electric by 2035[/link]
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That all sounds great. Now all we need is accessible chargers, standards for chargers, better battery tech, and lower costs on electric vehicles.
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All I can contribute is we love our 2 Teslas. So do all of my partners. With all of the BMWs we have had the excitement wore off in a week or two. The torque of an electric motor cannot be beat and the regenerative braking makes driving winding roads a heck of a lot of fun.
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mrs_dergon might get a Tesla or some other full electric roadster for her daily driver next time around (But her 15 year old Merc SLK 350 only has like 45k miles and is in great condition … so it will be a while)
For my car, I need something big that I can fill up with lots of stuff and that can do the full trip to my place in North Ontario (600 miles) in one trip. … So might be a while for me too-
We replaced 2 Priuses with the Teslas. Have a Yukon XL for the trips with “lots of stuff” and the dog. Our 17 yo son is driving that to school now. So much for our carbon footprint…
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We replaced 2 Priuses with the Teslas. Have a Yukon XL for the trips with “lots of stuff” and the dog. Our 17 yo son is driving that to school now. So much for our carbon footprint…
I had a Yukon for a few years.
My parents wanted me to buy it off of them and give my Jeep to my nephew for school. Worst auto-decision I ever made. I hated that Yukon and dumped in in 2.5 years while my nephew drove that Cherokee for 270k miles.-
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We replaced 2 Priuses with the Teslas. Have a Yukon XL for the trips with “lots of stuff” and the dog. Our 17 yo son is driving that to school now. So much for our carbon footprint…
I had a Yukon for a few years.
My parents wanted me to buy it off of them and give my Jeep to my nephew for school. Worst auto-decision I ever made. I hated that Yukon and dumped in in 2.5 years while my nephew drove that Cherokee for 270k miles.
Ours is an 04 XL with 70k miles. Friend has the same model with 300k. He loves his. I hate ours for driving around town but its great on a long trip and for taking the dog to the beach. Just took a drive to the big city to drop off college supplies. Had the family of four and the dog plus a full dorm room worth of gear. Perfect for that.
The Teslas remain fun to drive around town.
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MIT study finds electric and hybrids cheaper in long run, not to mention lower emissions than regular gas vehicles.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/15/climate/electric-car-cost.html]https://www.nytimes.com/i…electric-car-cost.html[/link]
New data published Thursday shows that despite the higher sticker price, electric cars may actually save drivers money in the long-run.
To reach this conclusion, a team at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology calculated both the carbon dioxide emissions and full lifetime cost including purchase price, maintenance and fuel for nearly every new car model on the market.
They found electric cars were easily more climate friendly than gas-burning ones. Over a lifetime, they were often cheaper, too.
For electric cars, lower maintenance costs and the lower costs of charging compared with gasoline prices tend to offset the higher upfront price over time. (Battery-electric engines have fewer moving parts that can break compared with gas-powered engines and they dont require oil changes. Electric vehicles also use regenerative braking, which reduces wear and tear.)
The cars are greener over time, too, despite the more emissions-intensive battery manufacturing process. Dr. Trancik estimates that an electric vehicles production emissions would be offset in anywhere from six to 18 months, depending on how clean the energy grid is where the car is charging.
The new data showed hybrid cars, which run on a combination of fuel and battery power, and can sometimes be plugged in, had more mixed results for both emissions and costs. Some hybrids were cheaper and spewed less planet-warming carbon dioxide than regular cars, but others were in the same emissions and cost range as gas-only vehicles.[attachment=0]
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Im probably going to save $1000+ this year that I was putting into my Jeep on gas. My hybrid Highlander gets double the gas mileage minimum. Ive gotten as good as 56 mpg on around town cruising.
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GM pledges to stop producing gas powered cars & sell only zero-emission vehicles in 14 years.
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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/01/28/biden-federal-fleet-electric/]https://www.washingtonpos…ederal-fleet-electric/[/link]
Biden plans to convert entire US government vehicle fleet to electric.
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There was a couple years GM made hybrid version of the big SUV. That just meant it got like 20mpg in the city and highway. I dig a large SUV but theyre getting so absurd with the prices. Like $60-80k into just the automobile plus whatever it costs to run the thing. Just crazy $ in trucks now.
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Considering all the money pumped into R&D, whether directly or through the Defense Dept, government should start acting like a venture capitalist instead of giving things away to private corporations for their profit when we, the taxpayers paid for much if not all the R&D.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/15/opinion/sway-kara-swisher-mariana-mazzucato.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…mariana-mazzucato.html[/link]
Who leads innovation? If youre picturing a Silicon Valley billionaire, youve got it all wrong, says the economist Mariana Mazzucato.
[b]Her message to Elon Musk after he received $5 billion in support from the U.S. government is simple: Say thank you.[/b]
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[h3][link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-16/vw-eyes-global-electric-car-lead-by-2025-in-platform-push?srnd=premium]VW Soars on Plans to Beat Tesla on EVs/Batteries[/link][/h3]
VWs common stock soared as much as 29% on Tuesday after the company announced plans to standardize key technologies across its sprawling industrial empire and generate scale effects that both Tesla and established automakers are unlikely to match. On Monday, VW said it would build [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-15/vw-plans-europe-s-biggest-battery-push-in-electric-offensive]six battery factories[/link] in Europe alone.
VW aims to become the global EV leader by 2025 at the latest, though reaching its target of [link=https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/press-releases/volkswagen-group-set-to-use-platform-model-for-issues-of-the-future-6893]1 million[/link] deliveries this year could [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-28/vw-s-ev-sales-target-suggests-tesla-gap-could-close-this-year]put the company ahead[/link] of Tesla. Those big ambitions appear to be getting the attention of retail investors who have bid up U.S. stocks speculated about on Reddit and other social media forums early this year.
Volkswagen is turning electric, poised to overtake Teslas battery-electric vehicle crown in 2023 and catch up on software by 2025, a view the market is only now developing, Michael Dean, a Bloomberg Intelligence analyst, wrote in a [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/terminal/QQ1SO4DWRGG0]report[/link]. Educating investors about its battery tech — it aims to cut cell costs by 50% via the rollout of solid-state batteries — and software should also reap rewards.
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Tesla seems like a good software company but bad car builder. VW can build cards and if they catch up on software they’d be formidable. That battery tech seems important. Solid state batteries supposedly charge quicker and hold more charge. Whoever can come up with the best battery I think wins.
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[link=https://www.axios.com/gm-electric-chevy-silverado-0701703c-84c7-4d64-8cc8-db8311058f54.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_content=economy-business-electricvehicles]https://www.axios.com/gm-…iness-electricvehicles[/link]
[h1]GM to build electric Chevy Silverado pickup in Detroit[/h1]
The new electric Silverado will be designed from the ground up as an EV and will provide 400 miles of battery driving range, GM said in a virtual announcement Tuesday.
The vehicle is based on GM’s new modular Ultium battery platform, which will be the basis for 30 EVs globally by the end of 2025.GM says the Ultium platform, along with new virtual development tools and technology, has shortened vehicle development times by nearly 50% to just 26 months.
The electric Silverado will be built alongside the two electric Hummer trucks, and the Cruise Origin robotaxi. Factory ZERO will begin production later this year, starting with the Hummer EV pickup.
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[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-14/audi-takes-on-tesla-s-model-y-with-entry-priced-electric-suv]Audi Takes On Teslas Model Y With Entry-Priced Electric SUV
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Audis new Q4 e-tron will go head-to-head with [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/TSLA:US]Tesla Inc.[/link] in the fast-growing market of compact crossover SUVs to help parent [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/VOW:GR]Volkswagen AG[/link] narrow its electric-car sales gap with the world leader.
The model Audi [link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6-UpE9zrrA]unveiled[/link] Wednesday is among a dozen models including VWs ID.4 and an electric version of the Porsche Macan that should enable the VW group exceed Teslas deliveries by 2023, Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Michael Dean said in a recent [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/terminal/QQQJ5YT0AFB4]report[/link]. VW has [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/terminal/QNP1KCT0G1KY]targeted[/link] selling roughly 600,000 purely battery-powered cars this year as Europes biggest carmaker seeks to [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-24/tesla-tsla-and-elon-musk-s-dominance-is-threatened-by-volkswagen]gain ground[/link] on its California-based rival.
The Q4 e-tron is Volkswagens first real competitor to Tesla, being a modest-sized SUV which hits the right segment, Dean said. Pricing will start at 41,900 euros ($50,200) in Germany for the vehicle, which will offer as much as 520 kilometers (323 miles) of battery range.
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That Lucid car I think is supposed to do 500-600 miles. It looks better than Tesla IMO.
$50,200 – still makes it unaffordable.
I’ve been getting about 500-550 miles on a tank from my Yota Highlander Hybrid. It sucks up about 10 gallons a week. Doesn’t do as well in the winter as the motor runs more. Best I’ve seen is 56mpg from Chagrin the CMC.
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