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  • The joke, the Party of Lincoln wants to secede

    Posted by kayla.meyer_144 on April 19, 2014 at 5:43 am

    No, the GOP is not full of extremists.
     
    [link=http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/state-gop-gets-to-vote-on-secession-at-convention-b99246196z1-255113211.html]http://www.jsonline.com/w…46196z1-255113211.html[/link]
     

    To secede or not to secede.
    That will be the question for Wisconsin Republicans at next month’s convention.
    Earlier this month, the party’s Resolutions Committee voted in favor of a proposal that says the state party “supports legislation that upholds Wisconsin’s right, under extreme circumstances, to secede.”

     
    [link=http://www.azcentral.com/story/laurie-roberts/2014/04/19/bundy-livingston/7873813/]http://www.azcentral.com/…dy-livingston/7873813/[/link]
     

    The Arizona Legislature faced something of a standoff this week, as one of our leaders waxed on and on and yes, on about his “life changing” experience standing with group that took up arms against the federal government last weekend.
    Yeah, you just knew that some of Arizona’s leading lights would be among those flocking to Bundy Ranch in Nevada, where armed protesters and militia types decked out in camo faced off against federal law enforcement agents.
    Our Legislature is filled with people who long for the good old days when states seceded from the union. Every year, we see bills declaring all EPA regulations null and void in Arizona and bills declaring federal gun laws null and void in Arizona and bills requiring federal agents to check in with county sheriffs before they try to enforce federal law in Arizona.
    There’s the always-popular biennial effort to declare Arizona a sovereign state, which is code for we want control of federal land so we can eliminate all those vexing environmental regulations aimed at assuring clean water and clear air and such.

     
     
    [link=http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/laura-chapin/2013/11/01/the-colorado-secession-movement-exemplifies-the-gops-problems]http://www.usnews.com/opi…fies-the-gops-problems[/link]
     
     

    kaldridgewv2211 replied 11 months ago 10 Members · 76 Replies
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  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    April 19, 2014 at 6:39 am

    Frumi, you are such an old demo-lemming!!  I bet secretely you would support secession, but you libs have that false code and “brotherhood”.

    • Unknown Member

      Deleted User
      April 19, 2014 at 7:37 am

      As if your past “bets” have shown any indication of panning out.

      • btomba_77

        Member
        April 19, 2014 at 8:33 am

        It’s important to differentiate secession movements within states, in which mostly conservative rural areas want to break off and form their own State [i]within the union[/i] from the crazier “we’re gonna form our own country!” movements.
         
        The former 51st State movements (NoCal and SoOr, western Maryland, eastern Colorado) are legitimate political movements that [i]might[/i] be allowed to proceed under US law.
         
        The latter (like the Texas Nation movement) are going nowhere and are only for consumption of right wing and libertarian extremists and the politicians that get support from them.
         
         

        • kayla.meyer_144

          Member
          April 20, 2014 at 5:05 am

          Where are Republican extremists talking about carving out new States from old but staying part of the USA? The Wisconsin is about seceding from the USA as are the other talks. Bundy, for example, has explicitly stated he does not recognize the Federal Government at all. When Rick Perry mentioned secession it was also about seceding from the Union.
           
          [link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-secession-a-tournament-for-gop/2014/04/18/c8d08108-c712-11e3-9f37-7ce307c56815_story.html]http://www.washingtonpost…ce307c56815_story.html[/link]
           

          The [link=http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/state-gop-gets-to-vote-on-secession-at-convention-b99246196z1-255113211.html]partys Resolutions Committee voted[/link]earlier this month in favor of a platform saying the GOP supports legislation that upholds Wisconsins right, under extreme circumstances, to secede. The resolution will now get a vote at the state party convention next month, raising the alarming prospect of a breakaway Badger State uniting with Ottawa in a military alliance that could disrupt the fragile balance of power in the Great Lakes.
          Called the state sovereignty resolution, it is driven by the same sentiment that drives[link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/04/15/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-long-fight-between-cliven-bundy-and-the-federal-government/]Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy[/link] to ignore federal law and court orders on grounds that they do not apply in the sovereign state of Nevada.
          Are Republicans about repealing Obamacare, blocking comprehensive immigration reform and opposing government spending and debt limit increases even if this brings about a government shutdown and default on the federal debt? Or do they have an alternative governing plan? Are they trying to limit the scope of the federal government or to stop it from functioning?
          Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the choice is more earthy. A cattle rancher, Bundy, has been ignoring federal court orders for the better part of two decades. Worse, the states Republican governor and its Republican senator have criticized federal efforts to enforce the law. This is where small government becomes no government where opposition to Washington becomes anarchy.
           

           
           

          • btomba_77

            Member
            April 20, 2014 at 5:14 am

            Quote from Frumious

            Where are Republican extremists talking about carving out new States from old but staying part of the USA? 

             
            Maryland:
            [link=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/12/western-marylanders-continue-push-to-secede-from-state/]http://www.foxnews.com/po…-to-secede-from-state/[/link]
             
            Northern California/Southern Oregon:
            [link]http://www.jeffersonstate.com/[/link]
             
            Eastern Colorado:
            [link=http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/07/us/fed-up-on-the-prairie-and-voting-on-seceding-from-colorado.html]http://www.nytimes.com/20…ing-from-colorado.html[/link]
             
             

            • btomba_77

              Member
              April 20, 2014 at 6:07 am

              That’s not to say there isn’t a lunatic fringe — there is.
               
              Wisconsin, Texas, Nevada all represent people who do not understand political reality (or politicians who understand it just fine but know that they can build a far-right coalition by playing to it anyway  a la Rick Perry).
               
               

              • eyoab2011_711

                Member
                April 20, 2014 at 6:21 am

                Don’t forget Palin and her hubby in Alaska

                • Unknown Member

                  Deleted User
                  April 20, 2014 at 8:24 am

                  Just for clarification: the “lunatic fringe” is on the left. Conservatives just want a representative republic. Many are tired of being dragged by the nose by the liberals in the high population centers. The secession movements are a grassroots backlash. Libs should heed the warning, as an alarm directed at their overreach. Of course, that will never happen. The end result will be that sooner or later, the progressives will be thrown out on their ear, and most of their pet programs will be repealed.

                  • eyoab2011_711

                    Member
                    April 20, 2014 at 8:41 am

                    Hey I say let them secede and build their communes  find out what its like when no one wants to build their roads or put out their fires.  Gasp they might have to come together as a group and exchange various services with each other to survive and form some sort of body to deal with disputes.  They can then call themselves the Socialist Communes of America. 

                  • Unknown Member

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                    April 20, 2014 at 9:33 am

                    Quote from aldadoc

                    Just for clarification: the “lunatic fringe” is on the left. Conservatives just want a representative republic. Many are tired of being dragged by the nose by the liberals in the high population centers. The secession movements are a grassroots backlash. Libs should heed the warning, as an alarm directed at their overreach. Of course, that will never happen. The end result will be that sooner or later, the progressives will be thrown out on their ear, and most of their pet programs will be repealed.

                     
                    Better yet, send all those lunatic leftists to california to live with old pot smoking jerry brown, let california slip off into the Pacific – problem solved.  No left will be left!!  Entitlements, gayiety, illegal immigration, war on guns, Constitution violations – all gone!!  What a wonderful world it would be.

                    • eyoab2011_711

                      Member
                      April 20, 2014 at 10:04 am

                      Celebrate Pointy…these are your people  be proud
                       
                      [link=http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=us_domestic_terrorism_tmln&haitian_elite_2021_organizations=haitian_elite_2021_other_militias]http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=us_domestic_terrorism_tmln&haitian_elite_2021_organizations=haitian_elite_2021_other_militias[/link]

                    • odayjassim1978_476

                      Member
                      April 20, 2014 at 1:56 pm

                      oh Point if you could sail off to midway or cook or Solomon island…another problem solved

                      Quote from Point Man

                      Quote from aldadoc

                      Just for clarification: the “lunatic fringe” is on the left. Conservatives just want a representative republic. Many are tired of being dragged by the nose by the liberals in the high population centers. The secession movements are a grassroots backlash. Libs should heed the warning, as an alarm directed at their overreach. Of course, that will never happen. The end result will be that sooner or later, the progressives will be thrown out on their ear, and most of their pet programs will be repealed.

                      Better yet, send all those lunatic leftists to california to live with old pot smoking jerry brown, let california slip off into the Pacific – problem solved.  No left will be left!!  Entitlements, gayiety, illegal immigration, war on guns, Constitution violations – all gone!!  What a wonderful world it would be.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      April 20, 2014 at 6:07 pm

                      Quote from Noah’sArk

                      oh Point if you could sail off to midway or cook or Solomon island…another problem solved

                      Quote from Point Man

                      Quote from aldadoc

                      Just for clarification: the “lunatic fringe” is on the left. Conservatives just want a representative republic. Many are tired of being dragged by the nose by the liberals in the high population centers. The secession movements are a grassroots backlash. Libs should heed the warning, as an alarm directed at their overreach. Of course, that will never happen. The end result will be that sooner or later, the progressives will be thrown out on their ear, and most of their pet programs will be repealed.

                      Better yet, send all those lunatic leftists to california to live with old pot smoking jerry brown, let california slip off into the Pacific – problem solved.  No left will be left!!  Entitlements, gayiety, illegal immigration, war on guns, Constitution violations – all gone!!  What a wonderful world it would be.

                       
                      Can’t Noah, ain’t got one of them big old arks!!  Now if you are going that way with that big old boat of yours……

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      October 1, 2014 at 8:47 am

                      Ron Paul calls for more secessionist movements in the US!
                       
                      [link=http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/ron-paul-thinks-there-should-be-more-secessionist-movements-in-the-u-s-20140930]http://www.nationaljourna…ts-in-the-u-s-20140930[/link]
                       
                       
                      He sure ain’t helping his son to look any more “mainstream”.  It’s time for Rand to tell Ron to STFU

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      October 22, 2014 at 4:33 pm

                      And more on the secessionist band wagon. Author and former Reagan aide suggests that the South should secede again to become a nation of traditional values…… calling itself “Reagan”.
                       
                      [link=http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/author-wants-southern-states-secede-over-gay-rights-name-new-country-reagan]http://www.rightwingwatch…ame-new-country-reagan[/link]
                       

                      While [link=http://janetmefferdpremium.com/2014/10/21/janet-mefferd-radio-show-20141021-hr-1/]speaking yesterday with Janet Mefferd[/link] about his book, [link=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KSFLXK8?btkr=1]The Secessionist States of America: The Blueprint for Creating a Traditional Values CountryNow[/link], MacKinnon called for a movement of states, starting with South Carolina, Georgia and Florida, to establish a new country that will adhere to the Religious Rights political agenda.
                       
                       
                      He added that the South had seceded legally and peacefully during the Civil War, but greedy Northerners like President Lincoln waged an illegal war that was in fact not declared against the South after the South basically did what were talking about in this book now in terms of peacefully, legally and constitutionally leaving the union.
                      [center] [/center] After lamenting that for whatever reason the leaders that were picking are deciding not to stand firmly for traditional values, MacKinnon repeated his view that a new country should be formed, and even proposed an interim name for the ultraconservative breakaway nation: Reagan. 
                       
                      MacKinnon specifically cited advances in gay rights as a reason for Southern states to leave the U.S. and create a new country.
                       
                      MacKinnon strongly defended the South for its role in what he called The War Between The States, saying that Religious Right activists should endorse the secessionist movement as a way to protect our faith. 
                       

                    • eyoab2011_711

                      Member
                      October 22, 2014 at 4:41 pm

                      proposed an interim name for the ultraconservative breakaway nation: Reagan.

                       
                      Does that mean they will raise taxes, sell arms to Iran and set a record deficit?

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      January 18, 2021 at 7:35 pm

                      A Democrat is in office …. so time for ….
                       
                       
                       
                      [b]Wyoming GOP Chair Floats Secession   [/b]
                      [b] [/b]
                      A top Republican official in Wyoming floated the idea of seceding from the United States after Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) embraced the impeachment of President Trump, the [link=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/wyoming-gop-chairman-secession-cheney-votes-impeach-trump]Washington Examiner[/link] reports

                       

  • btomba_77

    Member
    February 4, 2021 at 9:08 am

    [b]Militia Alliance In Georgia Signals New Phase in Secession Movement[/b][/h1]  
     
    The leader of a private paramilitary group that provided security for Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene said he has formed alliances with other far-right groups to advocate for Georgias secession from the union, following the arrests of participants in the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, the [link=https://www.ajc.com/news/militia-alliance-in-georgia-signals-new-phase-for-extremist-paramilitaries/UD2JMQV5A5EABHHAKBQZBK2IVY/]Atlanta Journal Constitution[/link] reports.

     

    • btomba_77

      Member
      February 24, 2021 at 11:47 am

      Five eastern Oregon counties are voting to have the state borders redrawn so that they become a part of Idaho. They’re also hoping to rope in some parts of northern CA into this scheme. The organizers acknowledge that the state legislature and the US Congress would have to approve such a plan.

      [link=https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Oregon-counties-to-vote-on-joining-Idaho-and-15973770.php]https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics…d-15973770.php[/link]

      • clickpenguin_460

        Member
        February 24, 2021 at 12:00 pm

        Sounds like a win for everyone.  The liberals can be even more radical in their portions and the people who are left without a voice can go to a place they can relate to.

        • cpmolnar

          Member
          February 24, 2021 at 12:22 pm

          The epitome of entitlement.

          • btomba_77

            Member
            February 24, 2021 at 12:28 pm

            Obviously it is *not* a win for Oregon. It would decrease their population and  electoral vote count and thus their political influence and funding.
             
            File this under “not gonna happen”   (same a Nor-Cal leaving)

            • cpmolnar

              Member
              February 24, 2021 at 12:43 pm

              Quote from dergon

              Obviously it is *not* a win for Oregon. It would decrease their population and  electoral vote count and thus their political influence and funding.

              File this under “not gonna happen”   (same a Nor-Cal leaving)

              Yeah, never gonna happen.

              • kaldridgewv2211

                Member
                February 24, 2021 at 12:54 pm

                I’ve heard about the NorCal thing before.  They think they’re a different Cali.

                • clickpenguin_460

                  Member
                  February 24, 2021 at 1:08 pm

                  Maybe the people of Portland should start listening to the rest of their state?  File that under “not gonna happen” also.

                  • btomba_77

                    Member
                    February 24, 2021 at 1:12 pm

                    Just about as likely as Red State legislatunres listening to the concerns of their urban blue residents.
                     
                     
                    The fact that a different political party than that of your county chair is in power in your state is not grounds for secession. 
                     
                     

                  • btomba_77

                    Member
                    February 24, 2021 at 1:12 pm

                    Just about as likely as Red State legislatunres listening to the concerns of their urban blue residents.
                     
                     
                    The fact that a different political party than that of your county chair is in power in your state is not grounds for secession. 
                     
                     

                  • cpmolnar

                    Member
                    February 24, 2021 at 2:21 pm

                    Quote from Cubsfan10

                    Maybe the people of Portland should start listening to the rest of their state?  File that under “not gonna happen” also.

                     
                    I’m not sure what this has to do with Portland.
                     

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      February 24, 2021 at 2:36 pm

                      Great idea this, gerrymandering on a national level, creating actual Red & Blue states based on voting districts. Blue states would have the land area the size of urban cities & Red states would get all the less populated land. They could redraw state borders every 10 years.
                       
                      The idea of America as envisioned by the Founders.

                    • clickpenguin_460

                      Member
                      February 24, 2021 at 5:36 pm

                      City people are more easy sheepled with groupthink.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      February 24, 2021 at 9:14 pm

                      Rural sheeple seem more easily hoodwinked by nonsense conspiracies like QAnon. No thinking for that group.

                    • cpmolnar

                      Member
                      February 25, 2021 at 1:53 am

                      Quote from Cubsfan10

                      City people are more easy sheepled with groupthink.

                       
                      That’s a pretty weak cover up for thinking that the state legislature was in Portland.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      April 9, 2021 at 7:46 pm

                      [h1]Texas GOP Chair Claims State Can Legally Secede[/h1] Texas Republican Party chairman Allen West falsely suggested that Texas could secede from the United States and become an independent country, [link=https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/09/politics/allen-west-texas-kfile/index.html]CNN[/link] reports.

                      Said West: This is something that was written into the Texas Constitution. Or it was promised to Texas when we became part of the United States of America that if we voted and decided, we could go back to being our own republic.

                      Experts, however, say that Texas cannot legally secede and leave the United States to become its own republic. The annexation resolution West is referring to stipulates that Texas could, in the future, choose to divide itself into five new states, not divide itself from the US and declare independence.
                       

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      April 10, 2021 at 5:45 am

                      Don’t you just love it how these people claim to be American patriots carrying around the Constitution while believing they should secede from MERCA!
                       
                      And this from a man who had been a Lt Col in the Army. Always the American patriot. And West calls CNN “the real racist” for accurately quoting him.
                       
                      Mr West will be speaking at a QAnon event w Louis Gohmert. 
                       
                      But then here we are beating up another Black Conservative when I mentioned Clarance Thomas according to IR_CONSULT who will re-appear any minute now to defend West.

                    • jennycullmann

                      Member
                      April 10, 2021 at 9:28 am

                      Yeah, when you ignore the Constitution it’s no longer America.
                       
                      Newsflash, that happened years ago.
                       
                      I got a deal for you, you keep doing your lying and crazy policies, and we peacefully separate.
                       
                      In 2-3 years you’ll be begging for me to open the door in our wall.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      April 10, 2021 at 12:21 pm

                      You dont keep
                      Your deals

                      You Welch on them

                    • jennycullmann

                      Member
                      April 11, 2021 at 11:24 am

                      I don’t know who you are, kpack?

  • btomba_77

    Member
    May 19, 2021 at 8:20 am

    [b]5 Oregon Counties Vote to Become Part of Idaho[/b][/h1]  
     
    Five eastern Oregon counties voted Tuesday in favor of considering becoming part of Idaho, the [link=https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2021/05/more-oregon-counties-vote-to-move-into-idaho-part-of-rural-effort-to-to-gain-political-refuge-from-blue-states.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter]Oregonian[/link] reports.

     

    • btomba_77

      Member
      September 16, 2021 at 2:11 pm

      [h1][b]Most Southern Republicans Support Seceding[/b][/h1]  
      [link=https://thewhyaxis.substack.com/p/two-thirds-of-southern-republicans]Christopher Ingraham:[/link] 

      A new [link=http://brightlinewatch.org/still-miles-apart-americans-and-the-state-of-u-s-democracy-half-a-year-into-the-biden-presidency/]YouGov survey[/link] conducted on behalf of a democracy watchdog group finds that 66% of Republicans living in the South say theyd support seceding from the United States to join a union with other Southern states.
       
      Secession is actually gaining support among Southern Republicans: back in January and February, 50% said theyd support such a proposal.
       
      Meanwhile, conservative Ben Shapiro [link=https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1438208109969907712?s=20]floated the idea[/link] of a friendly separation of certain states away from the union.
      [/QUOTE]
       

      • kaldridgewv2211

        Member
        September 16, 2021 at 6:32 pm

        Maybe we can shave off some of the lamprey states.

      • btomba_77

        Member
        October 9, 2021 at 6:56 pm

        Allen West, secessionist GOP TX gubernatorial candidate has Covid pneumonia despite following the hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin protocols

        Unvaxxed of course

        • btomba_77

          Member
          October 11, 2021 at 5:06 am

          Allen West Is Now Hospitalized with Covid-19:

          Allen West, a tea party firebrand who is seeking the Republican nomination in the Texas gubernatorial race, is in the hospital after testing positive for the coronavirus, the Washington Post reports.

          West, a former Republican congressman from Florida, is unvaccinated.

          From his hospital bed, he issued a string of tweets attacking vaccine mandates and promoting controversial treatments, vowing that if elected, he would vehemently crush anyone forcing vaccine mandates in Texas.

          • kayla.meyer_144

            Member
            October 11, 2021 at 6:01 am

            More hypocrisy from West & the Right, he won’t be “mandated’ to take an experimental vaccine but will accept a monoclonal antibody experimental drug when hospitalized. He is still anti-vaxx “mandate.” 
             
            Interesting rationalization going on there is his little head.
             
            Why doesn’t he try bleach. Or light? Bleach miraculously kills virus within seconds. DONE!
             
            [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/11/allen-west-covid-texas-republican-governor/]https://www.washingtonpos…s-republican-governor/[/link]
             

            West also said that he and his wife, Angela, who is vaccinated, had received treatment with monoclonal antibodies a move that [link=https://twitter.com/MaxKennerly/status/1447211084499329031]a number of people argued on social media[/link] was at odds with his remarks against vaccines that he said were enriching the pockets of Big Pharma.
             
            [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/30/monoclonal-antibodies-to-treat-covid-19/?itid=lk_inline_manual_4&itid=lk_inline_manual_10]Monoclonal antibodies [/link]are proteins created in the laboratory to mimic the human immune system. The Biden administration [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/14/monoclonal-antibodies-shortage/?itid=lk_inline_manual_10]last month [/link]announced it had reached an agreement to buy another 1.4 million doses of the only authorized antibodies from the pharmaceutical company Regeneron for $2.9 billion, or $2,100 per dose. The most expensive coronavirus vaccines are [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/11/millions-coronavirus-vaccine-doses-around-world-face-expiration/?itid=lk_inline_manual_10]about $20 a shot[/link].

             

          • kaldridgewv2211

            Member
            October 11, 2021 at 12:38 pm

            I’m sure he has supporters.  It’s hard to see how people can watch him go into the hospital, and still be anti-vax.  definition of reap what you sow.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    January 10, 2022 at 6:25 am

    [h1][b]State Senator files bills to give Oklahoma sheriffs power to arrest federal officers, form posses against federal agents[/b][/h1] [link=https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-legislature/state-senator-files-bills-to-give-oklahoma-sheriffs-power-to-arrest-federal-officers-form-posses-against-federal-agents/]https://kfor.com/news/okl…gainst-federal-agents/[/link]

    The full totalitarian leftist takeover of a society has always been predicated on confiscation of firearms, Dahm said. Thankfully in Oklahoma we have county sheriffs that would never allow that to take place. But we must do everything possible to help them stand up for our rights and this bill further enables them to do that.

     

    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      January 10, 2022 at 6:35 am

      Where will next Ft Sumter try to be? OK Oklahoma?
       
      1st time was over states rights to own people, slavery. Todays are about preserving laws that were about enforcing slavery.
       
       

      • btomba_77

        Member
        January 10, 2022 at 6:49 am

        [h1][b]Civil Disorder More Likely Than Civil War[/b][/h1] [b]
        [/b]
        [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcontent%2Fcefcd8c9-6f36-4c11-aa08-4920ea39f7ca]Janan Ganesh[/link]: A year on from the US Capitol siege, there is talk, even among unexcitable scholars, of a second civil war. That remains an epic stretch. Red and Blue America do not map on to contiguous geographic blocs, as the Confederacy and the Union did. The central state is unrecognizably stronger than it was in 1861. There is (for now) no single precipitating issue to equal South Carolinas declaration of secession.

        In the medical parlance of today, what is more plausible than war is disorder of a chronic and endemic nature. What is plausible is an acceptable level of violence.
         

        • kayla.meyer_144

          Member
          January 10, 2022 at 6:56 am

          Guns will solve all our problems. 

    • kaldridgewv2211

      Member
      January 11, 2022 at 7:34 am

      Quote from dergon

      [h1][b]State Senator files bills to give Oklahoma sheriffs power to arrest federal officers, form posses against federal agents[/b][/h1] [link=https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-legislature/state-senator-files-bills-to-give-oklahoma-sheriffs-power-to-arrest-federal-officers-form-posses-against-federal-agents/]https://kfor.com/news/okl…gainst-federal-agents/[/link]

      The full totalitarian leftist takeover of a society has always been predicated on confiscation of firearms, Dahm said. Thankfully in Oklahoma we have county sheriffs that would never allow that to take place. But we must do everything possible to help them stand up for our rights and this bill further enables them to do that.

      So County level government arresting Federal government.  I guess the supremacy clause doesn’t exist.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 21, 2022 at 3:46 am

    [link=https://www.newsweek.com/texas-secede-us-2023-gop-pushes-referendum-1717254] Texas Could Vote to Secede From U.S. in 2023 as GOP Pushes for Referendum

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    [link=https://www.newsweek.com/texas-secede-us-2023-gop-pushes-referendum-1717254]

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    Under a section titled “State Sovereignty,” the platform states: “Pursuant to Article 1, Section 1, of the Texas Constitution, the federal government has impaired our right of local self-government. Therefore, federally mandated legislation that infringes upon the 10th Amendment rights of Texas should be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified.

    “Texas retains the right to secede from the United States, and the Texas Legislature should be called upon to pass a referendum consistent thereto.”

    In another section on state governance, the platform states that Texas Republicans want the state Legislature to pass a bill in its next session “requiring a referendum in the 2023 general election for the people of Texas to determine whether or not the State of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation.”
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    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      June 21, 2022 at 6:08 am

      American patriots, all.

      • kaldridgewv2211

        Member
        June 21, 2022 at 8:11 am

        This seems like a good learning opportunity for Texas.  Let them do it.  And then let the US cut them off from everything.  No interstate commerce or travel of any kind.  Shut them off.  No internet, to TV, no food imports.  Not a thing.  

  • btomba_77

    Member
    September 30, 2022 at 3:27 am

    [h1][b]Michael Flynn Warns Governors May Declare War[/b][/h1]  
     
     
    Donald Trumps first national security adviser Michael Flynn warned at an Arizona campaign event that governors [link=https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1575449088669130753?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1575449088669130753%7Ctwgr%5E861e9901bb19934f77dee79be7ef1c881cbf5c03%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffpost.com%2Fentry%2Fmichael-flynn-governors-declare-war-90-percent-federal-agencies-closed-arizona_n_63362141e4b03e8038bcc571]may soon declare war.[/link]
     
    Said Flynn: States rights. Did you know that a governor can declare war? A governor can declare war. And were going to probably see that.
     

  • btomba_77

    Member
    January 9, 2023 at 4:49 am

    [link=https://www.businessinsider.com/california-secession-movement-was-backed-by-russia-us-alleges-2022-7]California secession movement was backed by Russia, US alleges

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    Marinelli, a right-wing activist who previously campaigned against LGBTQ rights, framed California nationhood in terms of competing values and, at the time, said he’d had a change of heart on issues such as gay rights (his Twitter timeline, today, has reverted to largely conservative causes). In a country led by President Donald Trump, this liberal bastion, he said, should not have to answer to reactionaries in Washington, DC.

    “I enjoyed my life in Russia,” Marinelli [link=https://account.sacbee.com/paywall/stop?resume=255966717]told The Sacramento Bee[/link], “but something I care deeply about is California independence.”
     
    According to a federal indictment unveiled Friday, Russian intelligence officers also cared deeply about West Coast secession as part of an effort to destabilize the United States.
     
    The indictment focuses on Aleksandr Viktorovich Ionov, a resident of Moscow and head of the “Anti-Globalization Movement of Russia,” Assistant Attorney General Matthew G. Olsen said in a statement. Prosecutors alleged he worked with at least three Russian officials on a “brazen influence campaign, turning US political groups and US citizens into instruments of the Russian government,” Olsen wrote.

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  • btomba_77

    Member
    February 20, 2023 at 8:54 am

    Seditionist calls for secession.
     
    [link=https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/status/1627675811258982405]https://twitter.com/Joyce…us/1627675811258982405[/link]

    • kaldridgewv2211

      Member
      February 20, 2023 at 11:56 am

      cheeky little tweet but the reality is not good for red states if they aren’t getting funded from blue states.  How’d this work out the first time?

  • btomba_77

    Member
    February 21, 2023 at 4:41 am

    Lets review some of the governing principles of America. Our country is governed by the Constitution. You swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Secession is unconstitutional. No member of Congress should advocate secession, Marjorie.
    Former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY), [link=https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1627758909019639822]responding to[/link] Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greenes (R-GA) call for a national divorce.
     

  • btomba_77

    Member
    February 21, 2023 at 7:35 am

    Charlie Sykes:

    [link=https://morningshots.thebulwark.com/p/joe-biden-and-his-critics?r=2k4r8&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web]https://morningshots.theb…ost&utm_medium=web[/link]

    [b]Here come the secessionists

    [/b]As you know, I really dont hate to say I told you so. This is from two years ago:

    [link=https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/status/1351339027702624256?s=20]https://twitter.com/Sykes…51339027702624256?s=20[/link]

    Calling this right now: secession is the next big MAGA play. Dont think they are that crazy? Then you havent been paying attention.

    • kaldridgewv2211

      Member
      February 21, 2023 at 8:43 pm

      She was flooring the gas pedal on the crazy bus all day. Headed toward civil war. If dems move to gop states they cant vote. Never go full r word.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    February 23, 2023 at 2:43 pm

    [link=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/greene-republican-red-states-votes-b2286949.html] Marjorie Taylor Greene says Democrats who move to GOP-run states shouldnt be allowed to vote for five years

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  • btomba_77

    Member
    April 14, 2023 at 8:32 am

    [i]The Bulwark[i]

    [link=https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/tim-scott-announcement-joe-biden-civil-war]https://plus.thebulwark.c…nt-joe-biden-civil-war[/link]

    [h1]Tim Scott Looks at Joe Biden and Thinks Civil War[/h1] [h3]Decoding the South Carolina senators presidential announcement.[/h3]
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    Scott declared his ambition to seek the highest office in the land on Wednesday, April 12, with [link=https://twitter.com/votetimscott/status/1646109597214679043]an ad filmed at Fort Sumter[/link], where the first shots of the Civil War rang out 161 years earlier to the day. He wanted people to pay attention to that fateful anniversary.
     
    Because the way Scott sees it, America is on the verge of another civil war. [b]And if you think Scott is talking about the threat posed by Donald Trumps insurrectionist mob, well, HAHAHAHAHAHA. Wrongo! [/b]Scott, that winsome, uplifting, inspiring, rising star of the GOP, is launching his presidential exploratory bid on the notion that its Joe Biden who is leading a new confederacy that threatens to tear the country apart.

    SCOTTS REFRAMING OF JOE BIDEN as a soul-sucking Jefferson Davis is weird, willfully blind, and grossly dishonest. The only radicals talking about a national divorce nowadays are members of the party to which himself Scott belongs. He knows this. They attacked his place of work on January 6th.
     
    But Scott has no outrage to spare for them. Instead, Scott, who is black, targets unnamed liberals in his ad who have called him a prop and a tokenundoubtedly rotten labels. I disrupt their narrative; I threaten their control, Scott said.
     
    [b]You know whom Scott most definitely does not and will not threaten, however? Donald Trump, leader of the 2024 GOP primary polls.[/b]
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    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      April 14, 2023 at 9:35 am

      Like I said, a mind is a terrible thing to waste. Lotsa wasted minds with conservatives ignorant of everything especially history.

      • satyanar

        Member
        April 14, 2023 at 9:54 am

        Hows the hobby posting going? Have you convinced all
        If the right leaners to vote Dem? How about the passive young Black voters you scolded on the Tennessee thread?

        • kayla.meyer_144

          Member
          April 14, 2023 at 10:44 am

          The hobby poster scolds me…
           
          So your scolding is more important than noting the idiocy of Scott’s statements. 
           
          Got it. You are sympathetic to Scott’s views but not to criticism of Scott’s statements.

          • satyanar

            Member
            April 14, 2023 at 12:57 pm

            What? Scott is an idiot.

            A hobby poster has no clue.

            • satyanar

              Member
              April 14, 2023 at 12:59 pm

              How is your scolding of the passive young Black voters going?

              • kayla.meyer_144

                Member
                April 14, 2023 at 1:36 pm

                I live rent-free in your head, don’t I.
                 
                Your hobby poster is in your mirror, go look. You’ve been hobby-posting since at least the pandemic as ADHD downplaying COVID with Jimbo. So look no further than your mirror.
                 
                How about we agree your apartment is empty & you block me so I don’t have to see your response to every post I make.
                 
                Deal.

    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      April 14, 2023 at 3:51 pm

      [link=https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/04/tim-scott-equates-the-radical-left-with-the-confederacy.html]https://nymag.com/intelli…h-the-confederacy.html[/link]

      Its not easy being a Black Republican senator from the U.S.s all-time career-champion jurisdiction for white racism, South Carolina. But Tim Scott has the additional burden of running for president in a national Republican Party where the belief that white Christians are now prime victims of systemic discrimination is virtually an article of faith.

      Scott is obviously correct that Americas soul was put to the test by the insurrection that began in his own state in 1861 and that we prevailed after a bloody civil war. What he doesnt take the time to mention is that it took more than a century after Appomattox to vindicate the basic idea of liberty and justice for all with South Carolinas white conservatives fighting it every inch of the way. (They were in both parties, though Scotts senatorial predecessor, Strom Thurmond, led the region-wide defection of segregationists from the Democratic to the Republican Party in 1964.)

      The Confederacy, of course, was the most profoundly conservative political movement in U.S. history.

      When you look at Tim Scotts overall platform, its very much the standard-brand conservative agenda of tax cuts, deregulation, school vouchers, quasi-military border-control, strict abortion bans, overturning public- and private-sector antidiscrimination efforts, and systemic, religion-based hostility to LGBTQ+ rights in any form. Scotts reputation as some sort of sunny bipartisan optimist is belied by his harsh culture-war message that Biden and Democrats are deliberately pursuing a blueprint for ruining America.

      You dont have to doubt Scotts sincerity to observe that white conservatives love to be absolved of racism by Black voices…
      So theres an avid audience for Scotts distortions of U.S. history, in which racism died long ago and todays progressives (not the Republicans who are still defending Confederate monuments) are neo-Confederates. Unfortunately for Scott, the 2024 Republican field will be full of candidates eager to whitewash conservatism and gaslight the country.

      • btomba_77

        Member
        April 14, 2023 at 3:59 pm

        [i] theres an avid audience for Scotts distortions of U.S. history, in which racism died long ago and todays progressives (not the Republicans who are still defending Confederate monuments) are neo-Confederates.[/i]
         
         
        So much this.

        • btomba_77

          Member
          June 6, 2023 at 8:51 am

          [h1][b][b]Oregon Breakaway Effort Gains Traction[/b][/b][/h1]  
          A grassroots movement to redraw Oregons border is gaining traction after voters in 11 rural, conservative counties approved measures this year that would start the process of seceding from the blue state and joining Republican-dominated Idaho, [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oregon-breakaway-effort-just-8-votes-deepening-urban-rural-divide-rcna86091]NBC News[/link] reports.
           
          In Oregons Wallowa County, just eight votes separated those who support the Greater Idaho movement from those who oppose it last week, the county clerk said. Tuesday is the deadline to resubmit ballots that either did not have signatures or had signatures that did not match county records.
           

          • kayla.meyer_144

            Member
            June 6, 2023 at 9:54 am

            How much $ is Idaho willing to pay Oregon for the land?

            • btomba_77

              Member
              June 6, 2023 at 10:04 am

              Quote from Frumious

              How much $ is Idaho willing to pay Oregon for the land?

              I don’t think Idaho is offering anything.
               
               
              (nor do I think the deep blue OR legislature is planning on letting the move go forward)

              • kaldridgewv2211

                Member
                June 6, 2023 at 11:18 am

                let them and then cut them off from the teet. 

                • kayla.meyer_144

                  Member
                  June 6, 2023 at 11:21 am

                  Well, taking requires compensation to Oregon taxpayers.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    August 25, 2023 at 4:33 am

    [h1][b]Sarah Palin says Civil War Is Going to Happen,’ calls for the People to ‘rise up'[/b][/h1]  
    Sarah Palin responded to Donald Trumps arrest in Georgia on Thursday night by talking up the possibility of civil war, the [link=https://www.thedailybeast.com/sarah-palin-says-civil-war-is-going-to-happen-after-trumps-arrest?ref=home]Daily Beast[/link] reports.
     
    Said Palin: I want to ask them: What the heck? Do you want us to be in civil war? Because thats whats going to happen. Were not going to keep putting up with this.
     
    She added: We need to get angry. We do need to rise up and take our country back.
     

    • kaldridgewv2211

      Member
      August 25, 2023 at 7:34 am

      We is doing a lot of heavy lifting.