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  • The NFL and chronic injury….

    Posted by btomba_77 on November 14, 2014 at 5:59 am

     The suburban housewives that chatter across my facebook feed certainly have concerns about their young children and concussions. They’d rather have them playing soccer or, really, any other sport.
     
    But two stories in my box on back-to-back days made me start thinking about the future of American football. 
     
    [link=https://time.com/3584387/lebron-james-youth-sports-football/]https://time.com/3584387/…youth-sports-football/[/link]
     
    LeBron won’t let his kids play American football. Its a safety thing, he said. As a parent you protect your kids as much as possible. 
     
     
     
    And Malcolm Gladwell, quite strongly recently referred to the NFL as a “moral abomination” that will eventually “wither on the vine. Thisis appalling. Can you point to another industry in America which, in the course of doing business, maims a third of its employees?
     
    [link=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-13/malcolm-gladwell-football-is-a-moral-abomination-.html]http://www.bloomberg.com/…oral-abomination-.html[/link]

    btomba_77 replied 2 years, 1 month ago 14 Members · 51 Replies
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  • Unknown Member

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    November 14, 2014 at 6:47 am

    I think until the NFL nails down the performance enhancing drug policy things will not improve

    Once the NFL does this colleges and high schools will follow

    When you have 220-280lb men running under 4.6-4.8 40’s and running I to each other bad things are going to happen

    This is not just an NFL problem.

    My oldest son was a very talented high school player with multiple college offers, he was approached from the time he was in 8th grade by coaches scouts and older players about what he needed to do in order to get that Division 1 full ride.

    Some of his friends took the bait and it was noticeable not always in a positive way

    • kaldridgewv2211

      Member
      November 14, 2014 at 6:59 am

      LeBron can baby his kids if he wants.  My nephew plays in youth football.  There’s injurys but for the most part it’s not like kids are all muscled up laying huge hits on each other.  Because they get grouped into certain age groups you’ll have some kids that are bigger.  There was one injury I know to a kid that hurt his ACL.  If someone is repeatedly getting concussion I can understand the concern but why live life in bubble wrap.  I don’t play football but had a concussion when I crashed my bike and I was wearing a helmet.  That didn’t stop me from wanting to ride my mountain bike.  Also I thought soccer was just as bad except it’s self inflicted when they head the ball.
       
      pop-mech says a hit from an avg. size DB who runs a 4.6 can generate 1600lbs of force.  
      [link=http://www.popularmechanics.com/outdoors/sports/physics/4212171]http://www.popularmechani…sports/physics/4212171[/link]

      • Unknown Member

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        November 14, 2014 at 7:14 am

        Agree the youth football is usually not a huge deal

        My 2 boys played from 2nd grade on

        The high school level is much different compared to when I was a kid at least where I’m at

        My youngest son is a freshman and a good sized kid 6’2 185. On his high school team their offensive line average 275 lbs

        And theses kids aren’t fat and they can move

        When I was that age the 300lb kid was the one you ran past real easy because he was too slow and sloppy to move not today

        • btomba_77

          Member
          December 10, 2014 at 7:42 am

          [link=http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-12-10/bloomberg-politics-poll-half-of-americans-dont-want-their-sons-playing-football]http://www.bloomberg.com/…-sons-playing-football[/link]
           
          [b]
          Half of Americans Don’t Want Their Sons Playing Football[/b][/h1]  

          Television ratings are [link=http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/30/us-nfl-television-idUSKCN0HP12720140930]up[/link] and merchandise sales are[link=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11550603/major-retailer-says-nfl-merchandise-sales-not-hurt-handling-recent-high-profile-incidents]booming[/link], but longer-term trends dont look as rosy for football. According to a new [link=http://images.businessweek.com/cms/2014-12-06/25_26.pdf]Bloomberg Politics poll[/link], 50 percent of Americans say they wouldn’t want their son to play the sport and only 17 percent believe itll grow in popularity in the next 20 years.
           
          These are grim numbers for a sport thats seeing an onslaught of negative attention, including [link=http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/nfl-controversy/still-playing-12-nfl-players-have-domestic-violence-arrests-n204831]a parade[/link] of National Football League players accused of abusing their wives or children; a team name [link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/washington-post-editorial-board-stops-using-the-word-redskins/2014/08/22/39864ae0-2a0a-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html]so offensive that some news organizations refuse to print it[/link]; and, perhaps most troubling to parents, the [link=http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/09/magazine/how-one-lawyers-crusade-could-change-football-forever.html?_r=0]growing body of evidence[/link] that repeated blows to the head can cause long-lasting brain damage. The sports troubles have caught the attention of Congress, whose members hauled [link=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2014/12/02/domestic-violence-senator-jay-rockefeller-nfl-ray-rice-troy-vincent/19786175/]a league official[/link] to Washington for a Senate hearing earlier this month. Individual lawmakers have proposed [link=http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/09/cory_booker_among_two_us_senators_seeking_to_yank_the_nfls_tax-exempt_status.html]ending the leagues tax-exempt status[/link]and putting its coveted [link=http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-p-blank-checks-must-end-2-20140922-story.html]anti-trust exception[/link] up for a five year review.
           
          The finding suggest that, over the course of time, football could go the way of[link=http://www.realclearsports.com/lists/diminished_sporting_events/heavyweight_boxing.html] boxing[/link], a marquee American sport in the early part of the 20th century that declined amid a similar set of dynamics: changing perceptions of its brutality and star athletes making headlines for violent crimes.

          • kaldridgewv2211

            Member
            December 12, 2014 at 8:36 am

            I don’t see how the could have polled all Americans, so saying half wouldn’t want their son to play football seems like a bit misleading.  Maybe half of the people the polled are in need of some toughen up cakes.  It’s hard to debate repeated brain injury can linger but you could say the same things about sports like boxing or soccer.  I do believe the NFL should not be tax exempt, that was a real sweet heart deal but anti-trust I don’t see it.  Vince McMahon tried to do the XFL thing.  It’s not like the NFL stopped him, he just put out garbage product.

            • suyanebenevides_151

              Member
              December 12, 2014 at 9:39 am

              This is why baseball will never go away, it’s our game, it’s the most cerebral, and it’s supremely skill based.
               
              I am an avid watcher of the NFL but they are destroying the product in many ways, mostly to make more money at all costs. Generally a problem with all things USA and in sports, but it’s the worst in NFL because of how high profile it is.
               
              Buyer beware for both fan and player. We all know what’s going on.

              • kaldridgewv2211

                Member
                December 12, 2014 at 11:13 am

                Quote from Cigar

                This is why baseball will never go away, it’s our game, it’s the most cerebral, and it’s supremely skill based.

                I am an avid watcher of the NFL but they are destroying the product in many ways, mostly to make more money at all costs. Generally a problem with all things USA and in sports, but it’s the worst in NFL because of how high profile it is.

                Buyer beware for both fan and player. We all know what’s going on.

                Curious as to how you see them destroying the product.  I still watch games every Sunday, Monday, Thursday.  As a Browns fan it’s been a miserable slog for the past 15 years, so it’s nice to finally see a good season.

              • btomba_77

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                September 19, 2015 at 11:04 am

                [url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25307746/study-956-percent-of-deceased-nfl-players-tested-positive-for-cte]
                Study: 95.6 percent of deceased NFL players tested positive for CTE[/url][/h1]  
                 

                Research conducted on almost 100 deceased NFL players revealed that over 95 percent of them tested positive for the degenerative brain disease known as chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE).
                In a study [link=http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sports/concussion-watch/new-87-deceased-nfl-players-test-positive-for-brain-disease/]published by Frontline[/link] on Friday, a total of 87 out of 91 players were found to have the disease. The CTE research was carried out by the Department of Veterans Affairs and Boston University.
                 
                The chief of neuropathology at the VA Boston Healthcare System, Dr. Ann McKee, told Frontline that CTE is a “very real disease.”
                 
                “People think that we’re blowing this out of proportion, that this is a very rare disease and that we’re sensationalizing it,” McKee said. “My response is that where I sit, this is a very real disease. We have had no problem identifying it in hundreds of players.”
                 
                Although research had suggested that concussions were one of the likely causes of CTE, new evidence suggests that “minor head trauma that occurs regularly in football may pose” a greater risk than the occasional violent collision.

                • Unknown Member

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                  September 19, 2015 at 11:36 am

                  95%  Thats crazy stuff

                  • eyoab2011_711

                    Member
                    September 19, 2015 at 4:19 pm

                    Call me skeptical…they went looking for something and found it…they could probably found that high an incidence of prostate and thyroid cancer if they looked closely enough.  I wonder what % of the general population would have CTE findings if we really looked for it in all autopsies.
                     
                    BTW I do think CTE exists but not sure what to do with what were very likely subclinical diagnoses…

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      October 27, 2015 at 1:45 am

                      [url=http://www.kfvs12.com/story/30357000/american-doctors-urging-change-in-football-safety-practices]American doctors urging change in football safety practices[/url]

                      The American Academy of Pediatrics has changed its recommended guidelines for football. 

                      There are more than 1.1 million high school football players, in the U.S., according to the AAP. Just this year, seven athletes have been killed in football related accidents in the U.S.

                      The AAP now recommends the following practices for youth football:
                      *Officials and coaches must enforce the rules of proper tackling, including zero tolerance for illegal, head-first hits;

                      *Players must decide whether the benefits of playing outweigh the risks of possible injury;

                      *Non-tackling leagues should be expanded so athletes can choose to participate without the injury risks associated with tackling;

                      *Skilled athletic trainers should be available on the sidelines, as evidence shows they can reduce the number of injuries for players.  

                    • Unknown Member

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                      October 27, 2015 at 4:40 am

                      How many of the deaths have been due to blows to the head?

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      October 27, 2015 at 5:57 am

                      Quote from kpack123

                      How many of the deaths have been due to blows to the head?

                       
                      Is that a serious question?  If so, then the answer is “Unknown”.
                       
                       
                      But regardless if [i]deaths[/i] are attributable there is still the issue of chronic pain, headaches, cognitive impairment from football-induced CTE.
                       
                      Not all “health risks” lead to death. That doesn’t mean they aren’t serious issues to be addressed.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      October 27, 2015 at 6:02 am

                      There were 7 high schoolers who died this year right?
                       
                      How many were head injuries and how many were cardiac related
                       
                      just askin

                    • kaldridgewv2211

                      Member
                      October 27, 2015 at 6:13 am

                      We had a kid drop dead around here, which was cardiac related.  One of the more interesting things going on in motorcycle helmets is that you have brands now coming out with new tech that also helps with rotational/sheering forces.  Basically it looks like the layers of the helmet are designed more to keep your brain from sloshing around in the event of an impact.  I suspect this will make it’s way into the NFL helmets, if it already isn’t.
                       
                      [link=https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAAahUKEwipy-vu3OLIAhUBcD4KHcnzBNg&url=http%3A%2F%2Flanesplitter.jalopnik.com%2Fthis-new-bell-helmet-is-the-most-important-street-helme-1736843351&usg=AFQjCNHyvRDRVFbP-7swUqIVzyX6qeVaZw&sig2=drPx1bNukM16xn_WCFCeVg&bvm=bv.105841590,d.cWw]https://www.google.com/ur…bvm=bv.105841590,d.cWw[/link]

                    • vascular28_304

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                      October 27, 2015 at 8:17 am

                      I think that injuries have gone up proportionately to 2 things:
                       
                      1. The average size of the players has increased.
                      2. Better protective gear. 
                       
                      The more padded you are the less you feel the impact,  the more invincible you feel and the harder you are going to hit someone else.  While you may not “feel” harmed, the deceleration forces are much greater and I believe that’s where all chronic and concussive injuries are occurring.
                       
                       Compare the NFL to Rugby.  
                       
                      I know this may seem counter intuitive, but I think the less pads, the safer the game will be.  
                       
                      Same for hockey. Once they started mandating helmets, it really changed the game.  Of course, a fall on the ice with a bare skull is enough to harm you, but the checking is much more explosive now than when I grew up watching it in the 1970’s.   If it hurt more to hit someone else, you wouldn’t hit them as hard.  
                       
                      Just a thought.

                    • xavivillagran_893

                      Member
                      October 27, 2015 at 11:19 am

                      I totally agree with you Xrayer. Some may not like the addition I have for hockey…hey, I’m Canadian and only played football for a year due to a broken tib-fib, but I think the instigator rule in hockey has played a big role. I played nets for years, and I knew if someone took a run at me, I had my favourite big guy who would come off the bench and have a “chat” with them. He’d also take care of some of our more talented players as well as try to get us riled up if we were playing like…nevermind- not politically correct these days. All teams had at least one enforcer and they were an effective deterrent to the cheap-shot artists. Seemed to work better than the naughty-naughty penalties they get now. Even the increasing suspensions don’t seem to deter repeat offenders.
                       
                      Ahhhh….the Broadstreet bullies.

                    • vascular28_304

                      Member
                      October 27, 2015 at 11:39 am

                      Thanks Walsh,
                      The name of our women’s intramural floor hockey team was the Bully Street Broads!  LOL. We weren’t Canadian, but hell Binghamton NY might as well be…

                    • xavivillagran_893

                      Member
                      October 27, 2015 at 12:06 pm

                      Quote from xrayer31

                       
                        
                      Bully Street Broads

                      That’s really funny. Years ago I started an coed softball team. Our name was:
                      A – Admitting
                      P – Portering
                      N – Nuclear Medicine (of course)
                      E – ECG
                      A – All the other a$$h0les who play for us

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      October 27, 2015 at 12:36 pm

                      Last month in NJ a high school QB, Evan Murray died of a lacerated spleen after getting hit.
                       
                      Not sure why but a lot of injuries are suddenly being reported. I don’t think I’d like to forgo helmets, I don’t think that would make the games safer. 

                    • kaldridgewv2211

                      Member
                      October 27, 2015 at 6:37 pm

                      News moves around the world now with the push of the post button on a smart phone.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    November 11, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    And now soccer:

    [url=http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/10/health/us-youth-soccer-concussions/index.html]US Soccer recommendations against heading the ball.[/url]

    No heading before age 10, limited to practice only from age 11 to 13.

    The declaration comes on the heels of a 2014 lawsuit filed against U.S. Soccer, U.S. Youth Soccer, the American Youth Soccer Organization, U.S. Club Soccer and the California Youth Soccer Association.

    The agreement with those plaintiffs, announced Monday, includes other reforms in addition to the new directive on heading. These includes steps to improve concussion awareness among coaches, referees, parents and players; and set up uniform concussion management and return-to-play protocols. And while some programs restrict the number of substitutions in a game, from here on out anyone taken out because of a suspected concussion shouldn’t count against a team’s substitution total.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    November 26, 2015 at 5:07 am

    [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/sports/football/frank-gifford-had-cte-family-says.html]Frank Gifford post-mortem reveals he had CTE[/url]

    Add another to the list.  Gifford suffered what was described as a “deep concussion” during a game in 1960.   Although he dies of natural causes at 84, he and his family both had come to suspect that he had some component of chronic brain injury.

    • kaldridgewv2211

      Member
      November 26, 2015 at 3:55 pm

      PLayed football lives to 84. Seems like a non-issue.

      • suyanebenevides_151

        Member
        November 29, 2015 at 8:34 pm

        New flash, you play a game where you get hit all the time, you get “chronic injury”
         
        That he lived to 84 without really much of a deal crushes this whole CTE overblown nothingness
         
        More scapegoating

        • btomba_77

          Member
          March 16, 2016 at 8:52 am

          [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/sports/nfl-concussions-cte-football-jeff-miller.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news]In 7 words the NFL shifts on chronic brain injury[/url]
           
           

           
          Representative Jan Schakowsky, Democrat of Illinois, asked during a round-table discussion about [link=http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/concussion/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier]concussions[/link] whether there is a link between football and degenerative brain disorders like C.T.E.
           
          Jeff Miller, the [link=http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/n/national_football_league/index.html?inline=nyt-org]N.F.L.[/link]s senior vice president for health and safety policy, said, The answer to that is certainly, yes. [link=http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4584970/rep-schakowsky-dr-mckee-mr-miller-concussion-forum]His response[/link] signaled a stunning about-face for the league, which has been accused by former players and independent experts of hiding the dangers of [link=http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/f/football/head_injuries/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier]head injuries[/link] for decades.
           
          His reply came moments after a leading C.T.E. researcher Dr. Ann McKee had presented her findings, showing that dozens of former players who had died were afflicted with the disease.
           
          The comments made by Jeff Miller yesterday accurately reflect the view of the N.F.L., Brian McCarthy, a league spokesman, said Tuesday, confirming that Mr. Miller had not misspoken.
           
          Lawyers for some players involved in a lawsuit with the N.F.L. over its handling of brain injuries quickly seized on the leagues admission.
           
          A settlement was approved by a Third Circuit district court judge last April but is on appeal. The players argued that the league should pay damages to all players found with C.T.E., not just those found to have the disease before the settlement was approved a year ago.

          • suyanebenevides_151

            Member
            March 16, 2016 at 9:51 am

            I think I’ll sue a car company for the injuries from my involvement in a monster truck rally. I had no idea that might be detrimental.
             
            I fee like you should be able to counter-sue for someone’s stupidity. Can’t we get a judge who is sane in this country?
             
             

            • btomba_77

              Member
              March 16, 2016 at 10:00 am

              Quote from Cigar

              I think I’ll sue a car company for the injuries from my involvement in a monster truck rally. I had no idea that might be detrimental.

               
              In your analogy it would be like suing the Promoters of the Monster truck rally… Promoters who for decades said “C’mon, there’s no risk of injury in doing monster truck rally!”

              • afazio.uk_887

                Member
                March 16, 2016 at 3:27 pm

                These guys are like the modern day gladiators of the arena.  Nobody gives a shit about them after the entertainment is over.

                • kayla.meyer_144

                  Member
                  March 16, 2016 at 3:55 pm

                  Not all are NFL athletes being paid millions $ for violent entertainment, there are some high schoolers dying too.

                  • afazio.uk_887

                    Member
                    March 16, 2016 at 7:01 pm

                    Risk you take to knock boots with the head cheerleader
                     
                    Nobody getting is being forced to play.  That much has changed since the Romans at least.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      September 30, 2017 at 6:29 am

                      A couple of stories on the NFL CTE front this week:
                       
                      [url=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/sports/aaron-hernandez-cte-brain.html]Aaron Hernandez autopsy shows that he had advance CTE at age 27[/url]
                       
                      and …
                       
                       
                      and potential game changer:
                       
                      [url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/26/health/researchers-identify-cte-biomarker-that-may-lead-to-diagnosis-while-alive/index.html]
                      Researchers identify CTE biomarker that may lead to diagnosis while alive[/url][/h1]  
                       
                       
                      If players (at all levels) could be screened with a sensitive biomarker test it could be used to truly define the risk levels and also help guide decision making whether to continue to to play or not.

                    • kaldridgewv2211

                      Member
                      September 30, 2017 at 11:01 am

                      I dont want to see CTE become and excuse for the behavior. Lots of football players get banged around over a lifetime. Aaron Hernandez killed a dude because he felt disrespected when his sneakers got smudged or some BS reason.

                    • 100574

                      Member
                      September 30, 2017 at 9:07 pm

                      Agree–his problems appear to have started after the sudden death of his father
                      I hope the mother of his child realizes that the testimony she gave and her actions on tape could /may be used against her with any litigation against NFL

                      Quote from DICOM_Dan

                      I dont want to see CTE become and excuse for the behavior. Lots of football players get banged around over a lifetime. Aaron Hernandez killed a dude because he felt disrespected when his sneakers got smudged or some BS reason.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      September 30, 2017 at 12:23 pm

                      Quote from yesterdaysnews

                      Risk you take to knock boots with the head cheerleader

                      Nobody getting is being forced to play.  That much has changed since the Romans at least.

                      A rational choice? What 20 year old thinks seriously about risks like these? Everyone is immortal at that age. And damage is happening to high school kids who are anything but millionaires. Hell, I’d extend that age upwards. Until you reach middle to old age we all thought we were immortal & had things well under control. But sh1t happens anyway.
                       
                      Why not make the professional sport safer instead of dismissing it off as these (now) irrational mental and emotional midgets are millionaires.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      September 30, 2017 at 12:26 pm

                      Because Hernandez had CTE doesn’t prove he became psycho only after CTE.  Maybe he got CTE because he pushed the violence envelope to his own detriment.

                    • nicolasvg.1003

                      Member
                      September 30, 2017 at 6:59 pm

                      What is amazing is that NFL players don’t get guaranteed contracts. NFL player union must be the worst in the history of professional sports.

                    • tdetlie_105

                      Member
                      October 1, 2017 at 12:11 am

                      Quote from Frumious

                      Quote from yesterdaysnews

                      Risk you take to knock boots with the head cheerleader

                      Nobody getting is being forced to play.  That much has changed since the Romans at least.

                      A rational choice? What 20 year old thinks seriously about risks like these? Everyone is immortal at that age. And damage is happening to high school kids who are anything but millionaires. Hell, I’d extend that age upwards. Until you reach middle to old age we all thought we were immortal & had things well under control. But sh1t happens anyway.

                      Why not make the professional sport safer instead of dismissing it off as these (now) irrational mental and emotional midgets are millionaires.

                       
                      I was going to play division 3 football but after having sustained spondylolysis as a sophomore and then experiencing bronchospasm after a hit during an all-star game as a senior, I knew it was time to walk away (17 y/o and I was pretty clueless about most things back then).  I think kids that age can make a decision with respect to the pros/cons.  CTE and other injuries are also somewhat random.  For every Mike Webster there are many more physical players like Jim Brown who don’t suffer from CTE.  The sport can be made safer but it will forever intrinsically be a violent game with risk of serious possibly permanent physical injury.  Technology of protective gear has not kept us with the evolution of the athletes. 

                    • heenadevk1119_462

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                      October 2, 2017 at 7:02 pm

                      Gladwell above quote “1/3 of its employees are maimed”
                       
                      The lefties never cease to embellish to a ridiculous level. And they wonder why normal people don’t take them seriously.
                       
                      So many references to “science” and they don’t even know what bias is. That’s right, because manipulation and alarmism for their own gain is their game, not truth.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      January 23, 2018 at 12:53 pm

                      [url=http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/bob-costas-left-nbc-super-bowl-coverage-article-1.3772975]Bob Costas dropped by NBC from Superbowl after comments about football and chronic brain injury[/url]

                      He was a go until just a couple of days ago.

                      My gut says that the NFL was already uncomfortable with Costas but after this weekend and the concussion helmet-to-helmet hit on Gronk they feared a CTE rant delivered on air to millions of viewers.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      February 15, 2018 at 4:37 am

                      Another nail in the football coffin …

                      [url=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/14/health/concussion-fda-bloodtest.html?mtrref=news.url.google.com&gwh=08FDE46AA0E1DAAE0FCE660AA9A27847&gwt=pay]Blood test for concussions approved[/url]

                      Just wait until Mrs. Jones gets a lab test that shows her with clear data just how much damage is being done to little Johnny’s brain.

                    • kaldridgewv2211

                      Member
                      February 15, 2018 at 7:18 am

                      I don’t think it goes away.  The NFL has been flubbing it with their concussion protocol though.  My understanding is in MMA if you get knocked out they won’t even let you start to spar for 6 months.  In the NFL you get knocked out they might put you right back in, and the players aren’t in their right mind to say no.  
                       
                      Soccer has some similar issues.  Still a popular sport around the world.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      February 15, 2018 at 7:35 am

                      Not “goes away”.   But when suburban moms stop letting their kids play football then you are on the path towards the NFL no longer being the preeminent sports league in the US.
                       
                      A generation after that and maybe it’s #3.  

                    • kaldridgewv2211

                      Member
                      February 15, 2018 at 10:21 am

                      Purely anecdotal but my brother in law and his brother both coached the youth program for around 20 years.  Talking like the 6 1/2 through 11 year olds.  For the most part there has been a decline in players but it’s less related to people moving to flag football and more related to the changing demographics were we live.  I’ve watched my nephew come up through it and have seen a couple of injuries on kids.  My nephew actually ended up with an avulsion fracture but it was a nothing major.      

                    • heenadevk1119_462

                      Member
                      February 16, 2018 at 2:40 pm

                      Why are you taking away opportunities from guys who otherwise would (85%) be janitors?
                       
                      You must be racist.

                    • kaldridgewv2211

                      Member
                      February 17, 2018 at 12:58 am

                      Can I buy a vowel?

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      August 26, 2019 at 10:23 am

                      [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-26/new-blood-test-detects-concussion-better-than-standard-imaging?srnd=premium]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-26/new-blood-test-detects-concussion-better-than-standard-imaging?srnd=premium

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                      [h1]New Blood Test Detects Concussion Better Than Standard Imaging[/h1] A hand-held device can quickly spot brain injury.

                      A study of 450 patients with normal readings on a head CT scan found that those with the highest levels of the protein (known as GFAP) were most likely to be suffering from a traumatic brain injury, as subsequently diagnosed using more sensitive MRI scans. The results, published in the journal Lancet Neurology, found markedly lower levels of the protein in a group of healthy volunteers and those with orthopedic injuries rather than head trauma.

                      About half of those patients who go to the ER with TBI go undiagnosed, according to Geoffrey Manley, vice chairman of neurological surgery at the University of California, San Francisco and senior author of the paper. This test seems to be more sensitive at detecting people who have traumatic brain injury, he said.

                      The results suggest the technology may have even great benefits for patients in less accessible areas, such as soldiers in war zones or accident victims in rural areas where medical care is further away, said Manley. (The study was funded in part by the Department of Defense.)

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                    • katiemckee84_223

                      Member
                      August 26, 2019 at 3:03 pm

                      That Fager guy was a genius.
                       
                      Either way, the sports bubble is coming, be careful what you wish for, janitors.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      April 10, 2021 at 4:15 am

                      [link=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/547490-brain-of-former-nfl-player-suspected-in-mass-shooting-to-be-examined-for]Brain of former NFL player suspected in mass shooting to be examined for CTE

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                      Officials will examine the brain of [link=https://thehill.com/person/phillip-adams]Phillip Adams[/link], the former professional football player accused of fatally shooting a South Carolina physician, three family members and a repairman before killing himself, will be tested for a degenerative disease.
                       
                      York County Coroner Sabrina Gast said in a statement to [link=https://apnews.com/article/nfl-football-phillip-adams-south-carolina-us-news-a5eaaf6ddacd5b0c9a01349ceebb8140]media outlets[/link] Friday that Adamss family has allowed her to do the examination as part of his autopsy. The examination will be performed in conjunction with Boston University.
                       
                      The autopsy will be an attempt to test for chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE. The illness has been found in a number of other former football players who suffered repeated brain trauma.

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  • btomba_77

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    May 14, 2021 at 4:07 am

    [link=https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/553482-nfl-accused-of-systemic-racism-in-handling-black-ex-players-brain]NFL accused of ‘systemic racism’ in handling Black ex-players’ brain injuries

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    The NFL is coming under growing pressure from critics who say its landmark concussion settlement treats ex-players differently based on race, making it more difficult for Black retirees to get payouts.
     
    Critics argue the settlement amounts to a form of systemic racism because it uses race-based criteria for neuropsychologists to assess whether Black and white former players have valid dementia-related claims stemming from their professional football careers.
     
    The concept of using different statistical curves based on race, known as race-norming, is inherently controversial. It is also the subject of a lawsuit by two ex-players, Kevin Henry, a lineman for eight seasons in the NFL, and Najeh Davenport, a running back for seven seasons, who sued the league last year for race discrimination.
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    • btomba_77

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      October 3, 2022 at 4:35 am

      [link=https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3671327-nflpa-fires-doctor-changes-concussion-protocols-after-tagovailoa-injury/]https://thehill.com/blogs…ter-tagovailoa-injury/[/link]
       
      [h1]NFLPA fires doctor, agrees to change concussion protocols after Tagovailoa injury[/h1]

      The NFLs players union has fired a doctor and agreed with the league on changes to the leagues concussion protocols amid backlash over a concussion suffered by Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovalioa.
      Tagovalioa appeared to suffer a head injury last weekend, but was allowed to continue playing. He then started for the Dolphins just four days later, and suffered a chilling concussion in a game against the Cincinnati Bengals that caused his hands to seize up.

      The NFLPAs Mackey-White Health & Safety Committee and the NFLs Head Neck and Spine Committee have already begun conversations around the use of the term Gross Motor Instability and we anticipate changes to the protocol being made in the coming days based on what has been learned thus far in the review process. 
       
      The statement follows the NFLPA dismissing a neurotrauma consultant on Friday who was involved in the concussion protocol check of Tagovalioa after his first injury during a game against the Buffalo Bills, [link=https://www.nfl.com/news/nflpa-terminates-unaffiliated-neurotrauma-consultant-involved-in-tua-tagovailoa-]according to[/link] NFL.com. 
       
      The reasons for the dismissal reportedly included failure to understand his role and hostility during the investigation into the injuries, which remains ongoing.

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