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Systematic Catholic Pedophilia and the Pope
[link=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/world/europe/25vatican.html?hp]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/world/europe/25vatican.html?hp[/link]
[i]Top Vatican officials including the future Pope Benedict XVI did not defrock a priest who molested as many as 200 deaf boys, even though several American bishops repeatedly warned them that failure to act on the matter could embarrass the church, according to church files newly unearthed as part of a lawsuit.[/i]
I’m not sure how Catholics can continue to belong to a church that has been complicit in the rape, molestation, and subsequent cover-up of literally thousands of children all across the world.
“Pro-life until the child emerges from the womb” should be the new Catholic mantra.
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I can understand your thought process here. Something should have been done to De Frock the priest, send to authorities and set a presidence of no tolorence within the church. However, those that claim to be Hindus, Christians, Muslems, Athiests, Jews and even religious hating biggots molest Children as well in our society. So to me, It’s just not organized religious or anit-God thing that causes this…It’s the perverted sick individual persons doing this stuff. I’m all in favor of capital punishment on sicko’s like this…Biship or not… You need to leave the planet. To imply though that the Catholic church is the only one doing this, just ain’t correct. Try to hide their embarrasment? Sure. Bad mistake on their part.
It’s not a Catholic issue…It’s a pervert issue.
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As someone who went to catholic school much of early life (and no, I was not abused), I think this is now becoming a Catholic problem.
I am not anti-Catholic at all. I respect the Church. But that said, they have been less worried about the potential abuses of their subjects than the reputation of the Church. Once any institution does that, a disaster is waiting to happen. Once Pope John Paul II had apologized for the American abuses, I thought they would reform…guess not.
I am not saying that this is totally unique to Catholics. But unlike other major religions, the Catholic church is a worldwide institution. Muslims, Hindus, Jews…they have no such thing. Religions that are unstratified may have problems…but it doesnt appear systematic. But the Catholic Church is one of the largest institutions in the world…and as such, has a higher bar to meet.
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It’s more than trying to hide their embarrassment… they systematically hid pedophiles from being brought before the criminal court systems of their respective countries over a period of decades. Apparently this involved all levels of the church. This in itself should be a criminal act (aiding and abetting thousands of cases of molestation), and the Pope himself should answer for it.
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I am a catholic.
My problem with this issue is their inability to admit it and show they are removing the problem adequately. I particularly am mystified by their stand on birth control and very hard core stand on abortion…………..while at the same time trying to sweep this under the rug.
That being said I know many very good and dedicated priests. I really don’t think they are abuser or pedophiles.
But as a catholic it makes you question your leadership but not necessarily your faith.
one last point. I used to give a lot to the church financially but since this issue became more well known I just give what I feel is my share to keep the lights on and the heat in the winter and the air conditioning on in the summer. I’ll be dammed if I am giving money to a Bishop so he can settle a lawsuit for a pedophile.
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[b]Hindus, Christians, Muslems, Athiests, Jews and even religious hating biggots molest Children as well in our society[/b]
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But it’s not as prevalent within those communities, certainly no more than baseline in society. With Catholics, pretty certain it has something to do with the celibacy requirement.-
ORIGINAL: itchn2help
[b]Hindus, Christians, Muslems, Athiests, Jews and even religious hating biggots molest Children as well in our society[/b]
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But it’s not as prevalent within those communities, certainly no more than baseline in society. With Catholics, pretty certain it has something to do with the celibacy requirement.Are you just as willing to conclude that terrorism has something to do with the Muslim faith?
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Huh?? Sure, terrorism has something to do with the Muslim faith — Islam, by the way. The fundamentalist extremist misappropriation of it, anyway. It also has something to do with the Christian Fundamentalist groups bombing abortion clinics, and the anti-religious Chinese regime putting thousands of monks to death in Tibet…
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My point was that liberals often accuse conservatives of religious bigotry for pointing out that terrorism is linked to Islamic extremism. You apparently have not problem making that connection, so you now have my permission to continue linking pedophilia to the Catholic church. Carry on.
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Its not that catholics are more prone to sexual abuse of children than anyone else…and its not even the celibacy requirement…its the system of the church that PRE SELECTS those who WOULD BE PERVERTS to go and become priests. sure its a small minority of the priests that engage in it…
im not buying that priests, because of a celibacy requirement, go and start getting turned on by little boys….how could they be so ready to ensure they do not violate catholic cannon by not having sex with a woman, and they go right on and violate the human cannon of not abusing kids? certainly these guys could cheat and have women on the side if they wanted to…fact is..they dont…those that engage in the sex abuse do so because they ALREADY were predisposed to be abusers and saw the priesthood as an excellent means to both
1. sublimate their behavior
2. have access to a bunch of captive kids.
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you can’t excuse the leadership – they hide it and obstruct justice until absolutely forced to give the person up. Excuse me for saying this, but I believe that the leadership is so lenient with these abusers because they themselves have the same problem, in many cases.
Furthermore, the law treats the church with kid gloves. Name one other situation in which known child abusers are sheilded from prosecution and sent away for “re-education” only to offend again. There are multiple examples of this sort of behavior on the part of the church leadership. This failure to report a criminal IS itself criminal if any other person, other than catholic clergy does it.
Saying it is not the faith, it is only the leaders is, to my mind, trying to justify allegiance to the church with pretzel logic. The leadership of the church in fact claims that they are the embodiement of the faith. The pope is infallible, with a direct line to god. You are supposed to believe that with all your heart, to be catholic. Through history, the leadership of the church has worked to maintian its authority over the masses. This began very early, with the destruction of the gnostic gospels, because they preached that you did not need the 12 disciples as a conduit to god, you could access him yourself. This was a threat to the religious royalty that claimed you had to go through them to get to god.
If you really feel the leadership is the problem, then you certainly can do something to punish them. Stop going to that church. There ARE others. If there were a righteous outcry from catholics around the world to stop enabling these criminals, and they did something concrete, like for example, not financially supporting these them, NOT EVEN TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON, then it would stop in a matter of months.
I can’t see how contributing to this church is any different from contributing the the North American Man/Boy Love association.
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[b]The pope is infallible, with a direct line to god. You are supposed to believe that with all your heart, to be catholic.[/b]
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The historical premise of many organized religions is the enforced belief that one cannot access god on one’s own; in fact, if a person believes
they can receive instruction from god independantly of the priest, they are treated as either 1) a lunatic, and locked up or 2) possessed by the devil and exorcised, or 3) made into a saint.
So it may not be the Pope, exclusively, but is certainly the priests/ministers, who are marketed as ones only safe, reliable translator of god’s will.
It was the scam of the multi-millenia, the original Ponzi scheme. And it enriched and empowered the Catholic church, so that they were loath to let go of the lucritive propaganda. Look what happened to the Cathars, and the early Knights Templar, who through their usury and economic competition with the Church, had to be put down.-
ORIGINAL: itchn2help
The historical premise of many organized religions is the enforced belief that one cannot access god on one’s own; in fact, if a person believes
they can receive instruction from god independantly of the priest, they are treated as either 1) a lunatic, and locked up or 2) possessed by the devil and exorcised, or 3) made into a saint.
So it may not be the Pope, exclusively, but is certainly the priests/ministers, who are marketed as ones only safe, reliable translator of god’s will.
It was the scam of the multi-millenia, the original Ponzi scheme. And it enriched and empowered the Catholic church, so that they were loath to let go of the lucritive propaganda. Look what happened to the Cathars, and the early Knights Templar, who through their usury and economic competition with the Church, had to be put down.i always thought it was funny, too. not only in a judeo-christian sense, but even aborigines had shamen, etc. which always struck me as odd, because anybody should be “qualified” to be a spiritual conduit, if such a thing exists. its not like being spiritual or connected to god is something that can be measured and compared for aptitude, like running fast or jumping high. the fact that people have taken it upon themselves to tell their various cultures throughout history that [i]they[/i] have god’s ear amazes me. well, maybe the idea that people believe them is what’s amazing to me, i’m not even sure anymore.
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With regard to the Shaman (something I’ve read widely and studied in depth for more than 40 years..), most of the cultures that employed them treated an individual who showed an aptitude for greater intuition, or profound thought, differently from early on in their life… sort of subsidizing their practical existence so that they’d have more time to stay “in the zone”, keeping them protected from the distracting petty conflicts of normal family life, even feeding them better. And the Shaman/Chief had to prove leadership qualities and wisdom in addition to intuitive sensitivity to be recognized as such by their community.
It’s not all hooey — even though the cognitive, apperceptive approach seems alien to our culture. Actually, physics is beginning to provide an accepted substantiation and explanation of this “alternate” way of perceiving. Turns out it may not be all that weird after all, and eventually we might have to stop calling it “super”-natural or “meta”-physic, and just leave it as “completely within the realm of the natural”. -
well, i’m obviously not as well-read on the topic of shamanism. seems like a sweet gig, though.
as for some kind of mathematical substantiation of all that, i remain skeptical.
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Who said anything about math? I’m talking about [b]empirical[/b] evidence of “action at a distance”, and such… (also evidence of a continuous, background ‘framework’ or membrane that would mediate the interaction).
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well, you invoked “physics”, and even the most theoretical of physics has a mathematical (even if just probabilistic) backbone. everything else you’ve said just sounds like an attempt to intellectualize something that can’t be proven. i’m sure the supporters of intelligent design think they have “empirical evidence”, too.
whatever. i’m not trying to rain on your parade. i’ll quietly exit stage left…
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No need to exit! (probably didn’t need to bold the empirical, as if I’m trying a little too hard to convince…). No, what I meant to say is that the promising-looking explanation for some of these odd phenomena has a strong theoretical background, hence the mathemathics are there, but they also have some empirical existence. Just about anything can be suggested theoretically; it gets exciting when evidence shows up in the lab.
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oh, i see. its a tough situation. such phenomena are difficult to conceptualize on their own, but efforts to substatiate them in a scientific-method sort of way are also occassionally/frequently murky. i can’t recall reading too much theoretical or practical physics (or metaphysics, or however we should classify what we’re discussing) and saying “of course, it all makes perfect sense, now!” haha
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[b]efforts to substatiate them in a scientific-method sort of way are also occassionally/frequently murky.[/b]
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True. That’s why I prefer reading the theory, which usually mentions also the subsequent experimental results, first, then later I’ll pick up some of the more “philosphical” physicists’ books and enjoy their speculation on applicability to other areas of unanswered questions, knowing that actual lab research has gone some way toward weeding out the fanciful speculation.
Michio Kaku’s a good middle-of-the-road author, not nearly as dry as Paul Davies (good technically), but not as far out, New Agey hippie-ish as Fred Alan Wolfe. :-} I do miss those old hippies, though…. they were fun to just hang with. -
ORIGINAL: itchn2help
The historical premise of many organized religions is the enforced belief that one cannot access god on one’s own; in fact, if a person believes
they can receive instruction from god independantly of the priest, they are treated as either 1) a lunatic, and locked up or 2) possessed by the devil and exorcised, or 3) made into a saint.
So it may not be the Pope, exclusively, but is certainly the priests/ministers, who are marketed as ones only safe, reliable translator of god’s will.
It was the scam of the multi-millenia, the original Ponzi scheme. And it enriched and empowered the Catholic church, so that they were loath to let go of the lucritive propaganda. Look what happened to the Cathars, and the early Knights Templar, who through their usury and economic competition with the Church, had to be put down.Actually, the unique thing about Christianity from its founding was that there were no priests. This is what separated it from Judaism, where most of the initial converts came from.
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ORIGINAL: Dr.Sardonicus
Saying it is not the faith, it is only the leaders is, to my mind, trying to justify allegiance to the church with pretzel logic. The leadership of the church in fact claims that they are the embodiement of the faith. The pope is infallible, with a direct line to god. You are supposed to believe that with all your heart, to be catholic.
like erad, i grew up catholic, went to catholic schools, etc. this particular tenet seems to confuse many people. in truth, the “infallibility” of the pope mainly pertains to the rote execution of the faith itself. what i mean by this is that if the pope says you no longer have to pray in latin during mass, that’s the legislative equivalent of god saying so. there are other “official” church policies that one could say are given the ‘thumbs-up’ of the catholic god, but most stuff we read about doesn’t fall under that purview. it isn’t meant to be generalized to say that anything the pope (or the cardinals, or bishops, etc) does is divinely inspired, or even particularly clever.
the handling of the sex abuse scandal is deplorable, we can all agree on that. and its my personal opinion that the whole celibacy bit IS to blame (at least in part). i personally know of people who even went so far as to enroll in seminary only to quit because they wanted to, you know, be normal and get married.
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Celibacy apparently began in the fourth century -The earliest textual evidence of the forbidding of marriage to clerics and the duty of those already married to abstain from sexual contact with their wives is in the fourth-century decrees of the Council of Elvira and the later Council of Carthage. According to some writers, this presumed a previous norm, which was being flouted in practice.[6]
Council of Elvira (c. 305)
(Canon 33): It is decided that marriage be altogether prohibited to bishops, priests, and deacons, or to all clerics placed in the ministry, and that they keep away from their wives and not beget children; whoever does this, shall be deprived of the honor of the clerical office.This denial of natural human needs and impulses has obviously caused a few problems. I once asked a priest why he thought celibacy became policy. He said to my amazement that it was cheaper to support one person than a whole family.
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Celebacy was a poor evolutionary choice, although fortunately for the Catholic world, it wasn’t always practiced, well, religiously.
Think about it. From the beginnings of the Church, or at least from the 4th Century as noted above, the best and the brightest were taken out of the gene pool. Not smart. Judaism, on the other hand, encouraged its best and brightest to become rabbis and to “be fruitful and multiply”.-
ORIGINAL: DoctorDalai
Celebacy was a poor evolutionary choice, although fortunately for the Catholic world, it wasn’t always practiced, well, religiously.
Think about it. From the beginnings of the Church, or at least from the 4th Century as noted above, the best and the brightest were taken out of the gene pool. Not smart. Judaism, on the other hand, encouraged its best and brightest to become rabbis and to “be fruitful and multiply”.
That is an interesting thought…never looked at it that way.
The celibacy for priests is simply stupid. Most in the church know it is. Until you get a reformist pope, that won’t change unfortunately.
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ORIGINAL: DoctorDalai
Celebacy was a poor evolutionary choice, although fortunately for the Catholic world, it wasn’t always practiced, well, religiously.
True, but the absence of male heirs for clergy allowed the early Catholic church to avoid messy inheritance issues when legal systems were pretty rudimentary. As with most bureaucratic organizations, the prime directive was (and is) self-preservation and accumulation of power.
The delusionary nature of religion is nothing new, and is not confined to Catholocism. If you think about it, why would anyone who’s married and raising a family take advice about such matters from a priest who’s never been married, never had kids, and has a higher likelihood of being a closeted homo than the average person?-
Good Point, Dr.Jo. Speaking of religion being delusion, I just caught a program on how the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (“God’s punishment of misbehaving humans”) was actually just a low-trajectory asteroid hit that had an in-air explosion, raining down super-heated fragments and heating the ground level air so that it fried people instantaeously — into “solid stone statues” like “Lot’s wife”, for instance. (They even narrowed down a date when it occurred: 3123 BC)
Funny how humanity seems prone to fantasize and exaggerate things all out of proportion, set off by what appears to be some sort of ingrained apologetic sense of imperfection and existential guilt. So, really, humanity as a species has a pre-existing condition of some mental or emotional disorder, n.o.s. !!…. And there is probably no “God” out there at all, raining down judgment on us all — it’s in our heads.-
I understand the current dismay with the Catholic leadership but It is quite interesting that Most Non catholic Religious people In this country feel it is okay to Bash catholics. If you make a similar comments towards their religions (jewish , muslim Various Protestant sects) there is outrage by those people but when Catholics get bashed they tend to be the most objective when discussing the hypocrisy of their leadership in regards to their faith.
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ORIGINAL: itchn2help
Good Point, Dr.Jo. Speaking of religion being delusion, I just caught a program on how the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (“God’s punishment of misbehaving humans”) was actually just a low-trajectory asteroid hit that had an in-air explosion, raining down super-heated fragments and heating the ground level air so that it fried people instantaeously — into “solid stone statues” like “Lot’s wife”, for instance. (They even narrowed down a date when it occurred: 3123 BC)
Funny how humanity seems prone to fantasize and exaggerate things all out of proportion, set off by what appears to be some sort of ingrained apologetic sense of imperfection and existential guilt. So, really, humanity as a species has a pre-existing condition of some mental or emotional disorder, n.o.s. !!…. And there is probably no “God” out there at all, raining down judgment on us all — it’s in our heads.
Because being hit by an asteroid isn’t an ‘act of God’ …
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Umm, not to the scientific among us…. There may be some metaphysical correlary to everything-that-happens, but nothing concrete and objective enough to warrant holding a large portion of the population hostage to it.
I’m not saying religious sensibility in itself is a bad thing — it’s probably a good thing in that it gets us out of ourselves and encourages humility, at its best. But when you have a relatively small group of power hungry misogynists using the people’s visceral memory of cataclysm as a fulcrum for fear-based tyrrany, that’s a bad thing.
I think somebody else on here said it best: each individual is his own best conduit to his own spiritual sensibility. Totally apart is the fact that things fall out of the sky, completely on their own. If you want to believe that is God sending you a message, fine, but don’t create a cult out of it.-
ORIGINAL: itchn2help
Umm, not to the scientific among us…. There may be some metaphysical correlary to everything-that-happens, but nothing concrete and objective enough to warrant holding a large portion of the population hostage to it.
I’m not saying religious sensibility in itself is a bad thing — it’s probably a good thing in that it gets us out of ourselves and encourages humility, at its best. But when you have a relatively small group of power hungry misogynists using the people’s visceral memory of cataclysm as a fulcrum for fear-based tyrrany, that’s a bad thing.
I think somebody else on here said it best: each individual is his own best conduit to his own spiritual sensibility. Totally apart is the fact that things fall out of the sky, completely on their own. If you want to believe that is God sending you a message, fine, but don’t create a cult out of it.
The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah was not considered noteworthy because of its mechanism, but because it was construed by the author to be an act of God. Pseudoscience and faith don’t mix, whether pro, or in this case, con.
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Pseudo-science, huh? …I won’t touch that one.
How about pseudo-faith? How about some guy, qualifying as delusional, probably psychotic, by modern standards… remembers this thing that happened, a story that is passed down through generations of oral tradition, and in it, suddenly, he sees the hand of God. It fits so neatly with his preconception that humanity is going to hell in a handbasket, and fast, and becomes a convincing “reality-based” justification for railing against the people, and convincing them to accept all manner of exculpatory ritual, including handing over a sizeable portion of their earnings, the more the better to be “admitted” into heaven…. you get the picture.
How is this any different than the idea the glaciers are melting but of course it can’t be because of anything [i]we’re[/i] doing…or, conversely, it is because we are sinful and rapacious in destroying the earth and so we deserve 2012?-
ORIGINAL: itchn2help
Pseudo-science, huh? …I won’t touch that one.
How about pseudo-faith? How about some guy, qualifying as delusional, probably psychotic, by modern standards… remembers this thing that happened, a story that is passed down through generations of oral tradition, and in it, suddenly, he sees the hand of God. It fits so neatly with his preconception that humanity is going to hell in a handbasket, and fast, and becomes a convincing “reality-based” justification for railing against the people, and convincing them to accept all manner of exculpatory ritual, including handing over a sizeable portion of their earnings, the more the better to be “admitted” into heaven…. you get the picture.
How is this any different than the idea the glaciers are melting but of course it can’t be because of anything [i]we’re[/i] doing…or, conversely, it is because we are sinful and rapacious in destroying the earth and so we deserve 2012?
Sounds like you have an axe to grind.
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I do, no secret there. I hold the organized Church responsible for many of the ills that beset us, least of which those little boys who grow up to be confused little men (no insult intended — been debatably lucky enough to have not one, but three of these victims as close friends throughout my life. It seems none of them will ever be truly happy, or trusting towards life).
If it weren’t for the Church, we’d have had the solutions for hundreds of years to one of the most intractable and aggravating problems in physics, and be light years ahead of where we are now (and who knows what implications that might have had for society). The calculations, which appear to have been successful, were painted over, deliberately, with Catholic religious art and pamphleting….
If it weren’t for the Church, we’d have genuine Polynesian culture to enjoy in its pristine condition, on all those islands. Who wouldn’t want that for a real vacation?
If it weren’t for the Church, maybe we might have managed to co-exist alongside a vibrant Native American culture that could teach us a thing or two about how to be really happy here on this continent, in a manner that could have lasted for hundreds of thousands of years, instead of maybe, if we’re exceedingly lucky, one thousand.
If it weren’t for the Church, women and their different strengths vis-a-vis mens’ would have been accorded equal respect, and would have influenced how our entire civilization proceeded — for the better, without a doubt.
Umm… I could go on for several more hours. Yeah, I carry just a little grudge here. (Not against the followers, necessarily, though they do help to empower this monstrosity — but the Church itself.)
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What I think is most intriguing is the universality of religion. It has been in some form with all peoples from the beginning of historic times. There are few groups of people the size of a clan or larger that don’t have a religion. Is something that is in our DNA?
I have no real beef with the Catholic church, but it does eem that they are slow on the uptake here. How long has this been a public problem? Don’t they realize that it is better to clean house early and thoroughly rather than trying to sweep it under the carpet only to have it return over and over to bite in the tush? I know that there are some calling for the Pope to leave. Is there any precedent for that and is there any mechanism to force a Pope out? -
They are the oldest and most classic bureaucracy…and as such, they are slow to change and poorly adapt to their constituents. Sound familiar?
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Isely talked about “Father” Lawrence Murphy from Milwaukee: “This priest molested more than 200 boys at my school. Joseph Ratzinger is responsible for the fact that Murphy was never defrocked.” Isely says that he doesn’t want him to resign. “I just want him to acknowledge his culpability.”
Last Wednesday, the New York Times published documents on the Lawrence Murphy case that Isely’s victims’ rights group had been trying to make public for years. It was only one case among far too many cases. Nevertheless, it is one that casts a light on how the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), under the leadership of Joseph Ratzinger, showed more concern for the welfare of culprits in the cassock than for the welfare of abused children.
n 1993, an expert hired by the church concluded that Murphy had no sense of guilt. The priest told her that he had essentially taken on the sins of the adolescents. He said that if he “played” with the boys once a week, their needs would be satisfied and they wouldn’t have sex with each other. “I sensed whether or not they liked it. And if they didn’t push me away, they must have liked it.” After molesting the boys, Murphy said, he always prayed and went to confession.
On Jan. 12, 1998, Murphy appealed directly to Cardinal Ratzinger, asking him to stop the proceedings his archdiocese had initiated. The acts of which he was being accused, he wrote, had occurred 25 years earlier: “I am 72 years of age, your Eminence, and am in poor health. I simply want to live out the time that I have left in the dignity of my priesthood. I ask your kind assistance in this matter.”
His wish was fulfilled. In April 1998, Bertone dropped the case against Murphy, in the spirit of forgiveness. In his letter to the Bishop of Superior, Wisconsin, he wrote: “The Congregation invites Your Excellency to give careful consideration to what canon 1341 proposes as pastoral measures destined to obtain the reparation of scandal and the restoration of justice.” The letter ends with Bertone’s best wishes for “a blessed Easter.”
Murphy died five months later, in August 1998. Bertone, for whom this meant that the matter was closed, wrote to the Archbishop of Milwaukee: “This Dicastery commends Father Murphy to the mercy of God and shares with you the hope that the Church will be spared any undue publicity from this matter.”And there you have it – criminal conspiracy to cover up a despicable crime,
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,686495,00.html
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I have a friend that went to a seminary for some time.
This was in the 1970’s.
He told me ( I am not saying that it is true or not but it is a fact that he told me this), that
the seminary was a place where gays and other individuals with “sexual issues” found a safe place to hide from their parents, friends and community members. It was a place where if you went, people would not question why you did not go on dates or would never wonder why you never had a girlfriend or were always talking to the guys about girls. As a matter of fact, it was somewhat of an honorable thing to attend a seminary.
This was in the years where being gay was not accepted as it is now (Ellen, Ricky Martin, Odonell etc) and would be the gossip in town and the horrible shame on the parents
(By the way I am not suggesting that gays and pedophiles are the same. Just that the people that chose the seminary had sex identity or preference issues)
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When you find the perfect church, whatever you do, don’t join it.
You’ll ruin it.
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I think they should be hit with a RICO investigation for conspiracy to cover up pedophilia. It won’t happen, though.
I also think the only people who can really fix this are Catholic churchgoers. They should demand accountability and withhold contributions until they get it. Maybe letting priests marry would help but accountability is the only way this can be resolved.
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I agree with that. Catholics themselves must rise up and demand reform…they have done so before with the Church, and they must do so now.
That said, I doubt much will happen with the current pope.
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“Sounds like you have an axe to grind”
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed.
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I grew up in Catholic schools. I am not catholic, but I have a profound respect for the religion.
Yes, Catholicism has a lot of dark sides to it. But there is a lot of good as well. Anti-catholics, like anti-semites, easily are able to prejudice the entire faith by certain issues.
If you believe that the Catholic church is responsible for the ill treatment of women, you are crazy. If you think Polynesian cultures would have happily survived the Japanese assault in WWII, then you are dreaming. If it weren’t for the Catholic church, many intellectual discoveries would have been LOST to history. And that doesn’t even begin to talk about the printing press, the single biggest benefit to intelligensia over the past millenium; never before had knowledge been so spread out to the masses, and it was largely because of Christians.
The Church has a lot of bad things in it, the most recent being their inability to face the obvious problem of pedophilia. But the church is a reflection of our society and vice versa. Blaming the church is just like blaming society. You can’t have one without the other.
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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/08/14/pennsylvania-grand-jury-report-on-sex-abuse-in-catholic-church-will-list-hundreds-of-accused-predator-priests/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8e3a9cc8e869][b]More than 300 accused priests listed in Pennsylvania report on Catholic Church sex abuse; cover up to protect the abusers and institution [/b][/link]
Pa. attorney general: Abusive priests weaponized the Catholic faith
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court on Tuesday released a sweeping grand jury report on sex abuse in the Catholic Church, listing more than 300 accused clergy and detailing a systematic coverup effort by church leaders over 70 years.
State Attorney General Josh Shapiro said at a news conference Tuesday that more than 1,000 child victims were identified in the report, but the grand jury believes there are more.
The investigation is the most comprehensive yet on Catholic Church sex abuse in the United States. The 18-month probe covered the states eight dioceses Harrisburg, Pittsburgh, Allentown, Scranton, Erie and Greensburg and follows other state grand jury reports that revealed abuse and coverups in two other dioceses.
Shapiro said that the report details a systematic coverup by senior church officials in Pennsylvania and at the Vatican.
As a consequence of the coverup, almost every instance of abuse we found is too old to be prosecuted, it reads.
We subpoenaed, and reviewed, half a million pages of internal diocesan documents. They contained credible allegations against over three hundred predator priests. Over one thousand child victims were identifiable, from the churchs own records. We believe that the real number of children whose records were lost, or who were afraid ever to come forward is in the thousands.[/QUOTE]
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The report is horrific and there are more kids abused than the report indicates. This shows how this religious cult evolved into a good ole boys network of men w sexual issues that used their position as religious leaders/experts to force innocent kids into sex acts.
Organized religion causes guilt in its followers. The Catholic Church is one of the religions that was/is the best at making their faithful feel guilty by claiming Jesus was suffering on the cross for their sins. Otherwise known as the Catholic guilt. All to get the people in the pews while they were playing w the boys that they specifically targeted. The Catholic church even makes a distinction w the severity of sins, venial or mortal, thereby putting more guilt on you because of the level of the sin you may have committed? The Cardinals and Bishops that were leading the good ole boys network facilitated it by moving them around. Heck they apparently didn’t care about the type of sin they committed but certainly pushed the guilt on their followers.
Religions faithful need to realize you can have faith and be spiritual and not have to sit in a pew and listen to some sexually frustrated male tell you the consistent compassionate moral message that punishes gays and prevents women or married males from serving as clergy while they were abusing kids. You can be spiritual w/o a pervert making you feel guilty that you must sit in the pew to be absolved and at the same time give money.-
There just needs to be changes in a lot of areas. Like why not let priests marry or let women be priests? They just changed the view on the death penalty. Also pervs need turned over to the police. It’s some lowly behavior covering this up.
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I love these threads.
SJWs telling the SJW church to be more SJW-
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I love these threads.
SJWs telling the SJW church to be more SJW
Nothing to add as usual.
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The only way past this is to get everything out
Try to make an acceptable reparation to the individuals that were harmed
Its a sad situation and the cover up is as bad as the crime
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Ironic thing
I went to a Catholic grade school in this area
A friend this AM sent me a newspaper article
Our priest at the time was accused of kissing a female on the lips at my school at the time we were in 6-7th grade
Obviously this was one of our classmates
Creepy very creepy
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[link=https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/new-york-diocese-files-for-bankruptcy-amid-clergy-abuse-lawsuits]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/…abuse-lawsuits[/link]
[h1]New York diocese files for bankruptcy amid clergy abuse lawsuits[/h1]
What became clear was that the diocese was not going to be able to carry out its spiritual, charitable and educational missions if it were to continue to shoulder the increasingly heavy burden of litigation expenses associated with these cases.”eff you!
imho… they should not be allowed to declare bankruptcy and restructure to avoid these payments. Liquidate it all and take every penny
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Ah, but the pedophiles are anti-abortion so that makes up for everything.
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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/07/29/theodore-mccarrick-charged-sex-assault/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR37nC29Rqfc7nt-Ijbc4BGeUSY5pM8qE-BOjkcomqvzgsrbvvYA6kUxyvU]https://www.washingtonpos…kcomqvzgsrbvvYA6kUxyvU[/link]
Ex-cardinal Theodore McCarrick criminally charged with sexual assault of teenager in the 1970s[/h1]
Defrocked Catholic[b] [/b]cardinal Theodore McCarrick was criminally charged Wednesday with[b] [/b]sexually assaulting a 16-year-old boy during a wedding reception at Wellesley College in Massachusetts in 1974, according to court documents obtained by The Washington Post. The charges make McCarrick, a former archbishop of Washington, D.C., the highest-ranking Catholic official in the country to face criminal charges for alleged sex abuse.
McCarrick, 91, was for years one of the countrys most connected and influential Catholic leaders before allegations of his behavior were made public in 2018, and he was later expelled from the priesthood. It was long assumed McCarrick would not be criminally charged because of statute of limitations on alleged incidents, though some men [link=https://apnews.com/article/sexual-misconduct-lawsuits-pope-francis-sexual-abuse-by-clergy-united-states-79eed87ea6b2853f0bacfb2985b01e3c]have filed[/link] civil lawsuits in New York and New Jersey, alleging McCarrick sexually abused them in those states when they were children.
Marci Hamilton, an attorney with Child USA, said the case was able to be prosecuted because McCarrick was not a Massachusetts resident and the statute of limitations essentially expired when he left the state. Hamilton said that such statutes of limitations are quite common across the United States but that McCarricks case is highly unusual.[/QUOTE]
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From personally dealing with the catholic church relating to an abuse investigation* recently, I can confidently say that they have learned absolutely nothing. While the church now has an entire infrastructure to deal with allegations, the moment this rises to the level of the capos, they fall back into the old pattern of just shuffling offenders to a new assignment.
* [size=”1″]this was not an issue of sexual abuse, the offender is simply a racist misogynist jerk who shouldn’t be in the classroom.[/size]-
[link=https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief…use-by-priests]https://thehill.com/blogs…brief…use-by-priests[/link]
[b]Former NY bishop admits to cover up of sexual abuse allegations against priests[/b]“When an allegation of sexual misconduct against a priest was received in the 1970s and 1980s, the common practice in the Albany diocese and elsewhere was to remove the priest from ministry temporarily and send him for counseling and treatment,” Hubbard said in a statement through his attorney.
“Only when a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist determined the priest was capable of returning to ministry without reoffending did we consider placing the priest back in ministry. The professional advice we received was well-intended but flawed, and I deeply regret that we followed it, he added.
The outlet said Hubbards statement was not sanctioned by the diocese.
The admission comes as Hubbard himself is involved in multiple court cases where he is accused of sexually abusing a minor or covering up sexual abuse cases for other priests.
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216,000 children abused since 1950 just in France by Catholic priests.
Ah, the wonders of religious faith. That’s only France, how many in the US? And we definitely know it is NOT limited to Catholic priests but religious “leaders” in many other denominations who use their station as a minister of God to abuse children and women.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/world/europe/france-catholic-church-abuse.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…olic-church-abuse.html[/link]
Clergy members in the Roman Catholic Church in France sexually abused more than 200,000 minors over the past seven decades, according to an estimate published on Tuesday by an independent commission that concluded the problem was far more pervasive and systematic than previously known.
The much-anticipated 2,500-page [link=https://www.ciase.fr/rapport-final/]report[/link] by [link=https://www.ciase.fr/]the Independent Commission on Sexual Abuse in the Church[/link] laid out in detail how the church hierarchy had repeatedly silenced the victims and failed to report or discipline the clergy members involved.
This followed similar efforts in recent years to disclose or document sexual abuse allegations against Roman Catholic clergy members in [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/14/world/australia/australia-sexual-abuse-children.html?searchResultPosition=3]Australia[/link], [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/12/world/europe/german-church-sex-abuse-children.html?searchResultPosition=6]Germany[/link], [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/14/world/europe/14church.html?searchResultPosition=1]Ireland[/link], [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/world/europe/poland-catholic-church-abuse.html?searchResultPosition=3]Poland[/link], the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/06/nyregion/catholic-sex-abuse.html?searchResultPosition=4]United States[/link]and [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/08/world/asia/japan-catholic-church-sexual-abuse.html?searchResultPosition=7]other countries[/link] as the church continues to grapple with the devastation wrought by decades of sexual abuse scandals.
About 216,000 minors have been abused by clergy members in France since 1950, according to an estimate by the commission [b]a figure that it said reached 330,000 after including perpetrators who either worked for the church or were affiliated with it as laypersons, such as Boy Scout organizers or Catholic school staff.[/b]
The commission also estimated that there had been at least 2,900 perpetrators of sexual abuse among clergy members over the past 70 years.
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[link=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pope-benedict-failed-act-abusive-priests-munich-church-report-finds-rcna12858]Pope Benedict failed to act against abusive priests, Munich Church report finds
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A report into sexual abuse in the Catholic Church in Germany’s Munich diocese has found that [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/religion/retired-pope-benedict-blames-sexual-revolution-church-laws-abuse-scandal-n993416]retired Pope Benedict XVI [/link]failed to act in four cases between 1977 and 1982 when he was [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/popes-knew-allegations-against-ex-cardinal-mccarrick-years-ago-report-n1247225]Archbishop[/link] of Munich.
…In a total of four cases, we came to the conclusion that the then-archbishop, Cardinal Ratzinger, can be accused of misconduct, said one of the reports authors, Martin Pusch, referring to Benedict’s name before he was made Pope. He added that the former pope had strictly denied responsibility in response to the accusations.
“In reiterating shame and remorse for abuses committed by clerics against minors, the Holy See expresses its closeness to all victims and reaffirms the efforts undertaken to protect minors and ensure safe environments for them,” {The Director of the Vatican Press Office} added.
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“I’m shocked! Shocked to find there’s pedophilia going on in here!”
Apologies to Capt.Renault
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[link=https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/new-jersey-catholic-diocese-agrees-to-87-5-million-deal-to-settle-sex-abuse-suits]New Jersey Catholic diocese agrees to $87.5 million deal to settle sex abuse suits
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A New Jersey Catholic diocese has agreed to pay $87.5 million to settle claims involving clergy sex abuse with some 300 alleged victims in one of the largest cash settlements involving the Catholic church in the United States.
The agreement between the Diocese of Camden, which encompasses six counties in southern [link=https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/brooklyn-bishop-accused-by-2nd-man-of-sex-abuse-in-the-1970s]New Jersey on the outskirts of Philadelphia[/link], and plaintiffs was filed with U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Camden on Tuesday.
The settlement must still go before a U.S. bankruptcy judge. If approved, the settlement would exceed the 2003 nearly $85 million settlement in the clergy abuse scandal in Boston, though its less than other settlements in California and Oregon.
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Not to be outdone by the Catholics
[link=https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Bombshell-400-page-report-finds-Southern-Baptist-17190816.php]https://www.houstonchroni…n-Baptist-17190816.php[/link]
[h1]Bombshell 400-page report finds Southern Baptist leaders routinely silenced sexual abuse survivors[/h1]
For 20 years, leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention including a former president [link=https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Former-Southern-Baptist-president-accused-of-17190827.php]now accused of sexual assault[/link] routinely silenced and disparaged sexual abuse survivors, ignored calls for policies to stop predators, and dismissed reforms that they privately said could protect children but might cost the SBC money if abuse victims later sued.
Those are just a few findings of a [link=https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22028383-guidepost-investigation-of-the-southern-baptist-convention]bombshell, third-party investigation[/link] into decades of alleged misconduct by Southern Baptist leaders that was released Sunday, nearly a year after 15,000 SBC church delegates demanded their executive committee turn over confidential documents and communications as part of an independent review of abuse reports that were purportedly mishandled or concealed since 2000.
The historic, nearly 400-page report details how a small, insular and influential group of leaders singularly focused on avoiding liability for the SBC to the exclusion of other considerations to prevent abuse. The report was published by [link=https://guidepostsolutions.com/]Guidepost Solutions[/link], an independent firm that conducted 330 interviews and reviewed two decades of internal SBC files in the seven-month investigation.[/QUOTE]
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Not to be outdone by the Catholics
Anytime you have an imbalance of power, this is bound to happen. Add in ostentatious piety on the outside and prohibition against pleasure and you’ll get this behaviour. I bet if you started digging in orthodox synagogues you would find the same problem.
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Quote from dergon
Not to be outdone by the Catholics
Add in ostentatious piety on the outside and prohibition against pleasure and you’ll get this behaviour. I bet if you started digging in orthodox synagogues you would find the same problem.
yep. power coupled with a lack of transparency and no outside accountability.
[blockquote] Anytime you have an imbalance of power, this is bound to happen.
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No accountability because the pedophiles are authorities representing God and the accuser is challenging Gods Will & a church or temple leader.
A very convenient skirt to hide behind. And the victims are those with zero authority, especially if they are girls or even women, and women should know their place in the patriarchy.
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I bet if you started digging in orthodox synagogues you would find the same problem.
sidebar: The Netflix series [i]Unorthodox[/i] is worth watching.
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Aren’t Rabbis allowed to get hitched?
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Aren’t Rabbis allowed to get hitched?
So are SBC ministers.
Catholic priests are not tapping the altar boys because they can’t get laid otherwise. They do it because they are gay pedophiles and because the church offers an environment where they can get away with it. It’s about power, control and a miswired brain that makes them attracted to pubescent boys, not a lack of access to veejayjay.
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In the ‘not funny but funny’ category: ‘New Life’ pastor makes confession to his congregation from the pulpit about having ‘committed adultery 20 years ago’. Parishioner steps to the microphone and says ‘it was a bit more than that, you took my virginity on your office floor when I was 16’. Well thats awkward. Not sure whether he has forgotten who he abused or whether he didn’t recognize her in the congregation….
[link=https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-pastor-admits-adultery-sex-teen]https://www.foxnews.com/u…mits-adultery-sex-teen[/link]
The good news I guess is that it’s not pedophilia or gay if you tap a 16yo girl. So all he needs to do is to make a tearful apology, accept Jesus and he’ll be a-ok with his church. May be illegal though.
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I bet if you started digging in orthodox synagogues you would find the same problem.
Oh yeah. Dont forget [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nj.com%2Feducation%2F2021%2F12%2Fnj-rabbi-committed-horrific-acts-of-child-sex-abuse-while-jewish-organizations-did-nothing-lawsuits-say.html]the orthodox rabbis[/link].
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[link=https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22031737-final-guidepost-solutions-independent-investigation-report?responsive=1&title=1]https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22031737-final-guidepost-solutions-independent-investigation-report[/link]
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/23/southern-baptist-sexual-abuse-culture-of-misogyny/]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/23/southern-baptist-sexual-abuse-culture-of-misogyny/[/link]In [link=https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22031737-final-guidepost-solutions-independent-investigation-report?responsive=1&title=1]nearly 300 pages[/link], a third-party investigator has produced the [link=https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report]Warren Commission report[/link], the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/911report/documents/911Report.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_2]9/11 Commission report[/link], of Southern Baptist Christianity. And the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/05/22/southern-baptist-sex-abuse-report/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2]scale of malfeasance[/link] is truly shocking.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/05/22/southern-baptist-sex-abuse-report/?itid=lk_interstitial_manual_3]Southern Baptist leaders covered up sex abuse, kept secret database, report says[/link]
At issue is sexual predation by Southern Baptist pastors and the further abuse of victims by indifferent and hostile church officials. According to the Report of the Independent Investigation, credible accusations of sexual abuse that came to Southern Baptist leaders were routinely ignored to avoid legal liability or were referred back to unprepared local congregations.
Survivors calls and emails, the report asserts, were met, time and time again, with resistance, stonewalling, and even outright hostility. When victims organized to draw attention to their suffering, some church officials treated them as instruments of Satan, intent on distracting the church from its real mission of evangelism.
The report depicts the abuses in Technicolor detail. Consider a meeting between one survivor, Christa Brown, and the Southern Baptist Conventions bylaws work group. Some opposed her even being allowed to speak, the report states, and an Executive Committee member turned his back to her during her speech and another chortled.
Is it possible to imagine a more cartoonish version of misogynist evil than a male ecclesiastical leader chortling in response to an abused womans story?
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[link=https://www.axios.com/local/salt-lake-city/2022/08/19/judge-rules-mormon-church-cannot-withhold-information-abuse-case?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial]https://www.axios.com/loc…utm_campaign=editorial[/link]
[link=https://apnews.com/article/Mormon-church-sexual-abuse-investigation-e0e39cf9aa4fbe0d8c1442033b894660]https://apnews.com/articl…4fbe0d8c1442033b894660[/link]
[h1][b]Seven years of sex abuse: How Mormon officials let it happen[/b][/h1]The Associated Press has obtained nearly 12,000 pages of sealed records from an unrelated child sex abuse lawsuit against the Mormon church in West Virginia. The documents offer the most detailed and comprehensive look yet at the so-called help line Herrod called. Families of survivors who filed the lawsuit said they show its part of a system that can easily be misused by church leaders to divert abuse accusations away from law enforcement and instead to church attorneys who may bury the problem, leaving victims in harms way.
The help line has been criticized by abuse victims and their attorneys for being inadequate to quickly stop abuse and protect victims. Yet the Utah-based faith has stuck by the system despite the criticism and increasing scrutiny from attorneys and prosecutors, including those in the Adams case.
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The lawsuit filed by the three Adams children accuses The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and several members, including Bishops Herrod and Mauzy, of negligence and conspiring to cover up child sex abuse to avoid costly lawsuits and protect the reputation of the church, which relies on proselytizing and tithing to attract new members and raise money. In 2020, the church claimed approximately 16 million members worldwide, most of them living outside the United States.
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[h1][b]Judge Rules Mormon church can’t withhold information in abuse case[/b][/h1]
The ruling doesn’t decide whether church officials were obligated to report the man despite religious exemptions in the state’s abuse-reporting requirement.
The church on Wednesday again [link=https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/church-provides-further-details-about-arizona-abuse-case]lashed out[/link] at the AP’s coverage of the Arizona case, claiming “egregious errors in reporting.”
But the church still [link=https://www.axios.com/local/salt-lake-city/2022/08/08/church-rebuttal-mormon-sex-abuse-hotline]does not refute details[/link] about how its abuse “helpline” directed bishops to not report child abusers and records of abuse reports were destroyed.[/QUOTE]
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[link=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maryland-attorney-general-investigation-over-150-priests-accused-abuse-baltimore-archdiocese/]Maryland AG investigation identifies over 150 priests accused of abuse in Baltimore Archdiocese
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An investigation by Maryland’s attorney general identified 158 Roman Catholic priests in the Archdiocese of Baltimore who have been accused of sexually and physically abusing more than 600 victims over the past 80 years, according to court records filed Thursday.
The report, titled “Clergy Abuse in Maryland,” identifies 115 priests who were prosecuted for sex abuse and/or identified publicly by the archdiocese as having been “credibly accused” of sexual abuse. It also includes an additional 43 priests accused of sexual abuse but not identified publicly by the archdiocese, the court filing said.
“The report summarizes the sexual abuse and physical torture perpetrated by all 158 priests and the Archdiocese’s response to that abuse,” the court filing said.[/QUOTE]
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/11/18/baltimore-archdiocese-appears-contest-md-clergy-sexual-abuse-report/]Baltimore Archdiocese might contest Md. clergy sexual abuse report
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Christian Kendzierski, a spokesman for the archdiocese led by Archbishop William E. Lori, wrote back Friday to The Washington Posts asking if the church would contest the reports release.
The Archdiocese does not object to the release of a report which accurately details the heinous crime and sin of child sexual abuse perpetrated by members of the clergy and also fairly and accurately details how the Archdiocese responded to such allegations, even when the response fell far short of how such allegations are handled today, his statement read. The motion filed by the Maryland Attorney General does not reflect the Archdioceses current and decades-long strong pastoral response and handling of allegations of child sexual abuse.[/QUOTE]
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[h2][link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/18/baltimore-maryland-catholic-church-sex-abuse/]After a new report on clerical sex abuse, alleged victims need justice[/link][/h2]
The Maryland report weighs in at 456 pages. In a 35-page [link=https://docs-cdn-prod.news-engineering.aws.wapo.pub/publish_document/bacde52a-5626-4aea-aa0e-5a6dd1a13f17/published/bacde52a-5626-4aea-aa0e-5a6dd1a13f17.pdf]filing[/link], Mr. Froshs office asked a state circuit court to approve the release of the full report, which includes information from grand jury testimony. The court should grant that request; [b]the era of secrecy around clerical sex abuse should be over.[/b]
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That assertion should not be debatable, but the churchs reckoning with its responsibility for clerical sex abuse is a work in progress, as Pope Francis himself has [link=https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2022-11/pope-flight-three-wars-century-pacifist-interview-bahrain.html]acknowledged[/link]. And this month, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/us-catholic-bishops-elect-timothy-broglio-as-new-president/2022/11/15/9bbc2f3c-651f-11ed-b08c-3ce222607059_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_9]elected[/link] as its new president a prelate whose views on the scandal are unsupported by fact, and who served as a top aide to a senior Vatican official notorious for slow-walking investigations of prominent priests accused of sexual abuse.
Archbishop Timothy Broglio of the Military Services, a former Vatican diplomat who will become head of the U.S. bishops umbrella group, [b]has [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/us-catholic-bishops-elect-timothy-broglio-as-new-president/2022/11/15/9bbc2f3c-651f-11ed-b08c-3ce222607059_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_10]embraced[/link] the view that homosexuality is to blame for much clerical sexual abuse. That point of view deflects from the reality of pedophilia and the churchs complicity in covering it up. [/b]It has been rejected by a range of authorities, [link=https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/john-jay-study-what-it-and-what-it-isnt]including[/link] the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in a 2011 study the bishops commissioned. [b]His election, and Marylands report, are both signs that the church still has a distance to go.[/b]
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But will conservative Catholic Bishops demand they be denied communion?
Maybe the Catholic AGs & those in the AG offices they will.
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same old story, different state
[h3][link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/2023/05/23/catholic-clergy-sexual-abuse-illinois-investigation/aa4ff430-f97a-11ed-bafc-bf50205661da_story.html]Catholic clergy in Illinois sexual abuse: 451 Clergy abused nearly 2000 children[/link][/h3]
Illinois attorney general released the results of a sweeping investigation into allegations of sexual abuse by Catholic clergy on Tuesday, saying investigators found that 451 clergy sexually abused nearly 2,000 children since 1950 far more than the 103 individuals the church had named when the state review began in 2018.
At a news conference announcing his offices findings, Attorney General Kwame Raoul credited accusers for making the review possible. He said state investigators found that 1,997 children across the state were abused by clergy between 1950 and 2019.
…There is no questioning the facts of the report until 2018 when the investigation began, hierarchs in every Illinois diocese kept known abusers under wraps, declined to include them on their accused lists, and refused to acknowledge the truth that survivors of abuse who came forward to make a report shared with them, the statement said. It is to us, in a word, disgusting that these supposed shepherds would lie so blatantly.
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How is this just coming to light now?
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They need to have some national reporting system set up if there isnt already one. This is so sad.
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Never get between a fat bishop and $20mil
[link=https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/arlington-nuns-say-fort-worth-bishop-is-overstepping-file-1-million-lawsuit/3261389/]https://www.nbcdfw.com/ne…llion-lawsuit/3261389/[/link]
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Obviously its the womens fault. A poor innocent priest seduced by a modern day Eve under the influence of Satan.
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