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South China Sea
Most people have probably heard about how China was building man made islands in order to stake some kind of claim to South China Sea waters. Kind of interesting article on how we sailed a destroyer under freedom of navigation rules, and how they’re belly-aching. Some of the quotes sound like stuff that comes out of North Korea. I sort of see this as China kind of re-writing the rules and making false territorial claims. Plus they did the same thing in Alaska when Obama visited.
[link=http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/10/27/southchinasea-usa-idINKCN0SK2AK20151027]http://in.reuters.com/art…-idINKCN0SK2AK20151027[/link] -
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China knows we are busy on the other side of the world…
[link=http://www.stripes.com/news/as-uss-theodore-roosevelt-exits-us-has-no-carriers-in-persian-gulf-1.372488]http://www.stripes.com/ne…-persian-gulf-1.372488[/link]-
It also nationalism and the fact that the economy is worrisome. Whenever leaders need a distraction one can always preen military fashion. China is feeling that it is high time it get the recognition it thinks it deserves.
Delicate wanna-be big egos requiring attention is always dangerous.-
The arbitration at the hague concludes. Chinese claims to pretty much the entire south china sea are not legitimate. The Chinese have something in common with Kim Jung Ding Dong in North Korea. They’re both delusional. This is basically the Chinese infringing upon others and doing some other terrible things. Destroying reefs, harvesting endangered turtles, and just being totally irresponsible dbags.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/beijing-remains-angry-defiant-and-defensive-as-key-south-china-sea-tribunal-ruling-looms/2016/07/12/11100f48-4771-11e6-8dac-0c6e4accc5b1_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…c6e4accc5b1_story.html[/link] -
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Delicate wanna-be big egos requiring attention is always dangerous.
You talking about countries or radiologists here, Frumi?
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[b]U.S. Losing Time to Deter China [/b]
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Stanley McChrystal, a top retired general and Biden adviser, tells [link=https://www.axios.com/stanley-mcchrystal-china-biden-79c82cc2-cc32-48e1-be08-a0605c6afccf.html]Axios[/link] that Chinas military capacity has risen much faster than people appreciate, and the U.S. is running out of time to counterbalance that in Asia and prevent a scenario such as it seizing Taiwan.-
Russia actually just rolled out missiles onto a Japanese Island also.
China is a serious threat. I kind of recall reading about some in Japan wanting to bolster up their military. I think we should be on board with that instead of being their protector.
Hopefully the return to normalcy under Biden means that we get some serious thinking towards this. Not just bluster about trade.
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[link=https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-china-sanctions-exclusive/exclusive-u-s-preparing-new-sanctions-on-chinese-officials-over-hong-kong-crackdown-sources-idUSKBN28H03L]https://www.reuters.com/a…-sources-idUSKBN28H03L[/link]
[h1]U.S. preparing new sanctions on Chinese officials over Hong Kong crackdown[/h1]
The United States is preparing to impose sanctions on at least a dozen Chinese officials over their alleged role in Beijings disqualification of elected opposition legislators in Hong Kong, according to three sources, including a U.S. official familiar with the matter.
The move, which could come as soon as Monday, will target officials from the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) as President Donald Trumps administration keeps up pressure on Beijing in his final weeks in office. President-elect Joe Biden takes over on January 20.
Up to 14 people, including officials of Chinas parliament, or National Peoples Congress, and members of the CCP, would likely be targeted by measures such as asset freezes and financial sanctions, two sources said.[/QUOTE]
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China running exercises near Taiwan.
Biden sends in carrier group.
[link=https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-usa-idUSKBN29T05J]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s…-idUSKBN29T05J[/link]TAIPEI (Reuters) – A U.S. aircraft carrier group led by the USS Theodore Roosevelt has entered the South China Sea to promote freedom of the seas, the U.S. military said on Sunday, at a time when tensions between China and Taiwan have raised concern in Washington.
U.S. Indo-Pacific Command said in a statement the strike group entered the South China Sea on Saturday, the same day Taiwan reported a large incursion of Chinese bombers and fighter jets into its air defence identification zone in the vicinity of the Pratas Islands.
… The Theodore Roosevelt is being accompanied by the Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser USS Bunker Hill, and the Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers USS Russell and USS John Finn, the U.S. statement said.
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But also pushing talks between China and Taiwan
[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-24/u-s-says-china-military-pressure-against-taiwan-threatens-peace]https://www.bloomberg.com…taiwan-threatens-peace[/link]
U.S. Urges China to Talk With Taiwan in Early Nod From Biden[/h1]
The U.S. statement signaled continuity with former U.S. President Donald Trumps policy of engagement with Taiwan. Trumps government ratcheted up arms sales to Taiwan and his Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar traveled to Taipei in August, becoming the highest-level U.S. visitor in decades.
The United States will continue to support a peaceful resolution of cross-strait issues, consistent with the wishes and best interests of the people on Taiwan, the State Department said. It added that the U.S. commitment to Taiwan was rock solid and contributes to the maintenance of peace and stability in Asia.
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speak softly but carry a big stick.
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[link=http://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_allpolitics/~3/5OA3xB0GiRc/index.html]Biden’s pick for UN ambassador to call for re-engagement with UN to counter Chinese influence[/link]
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[b]China Is Collecting Americans DNA[/b][/h1]
[link=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biodata-dna-china-collection-60-minutes-2021-01-31/]60 Minutes[/link]: For all the polarization that grips Washington, heres a source of rare consensus: the emerging threat of Chinas push to acquire our health care data, including the DNA of American citizens. U.S. officials tell us the communist regimes aggressive collection of our most personal information presents a danger both to national security and our economy.
As alarm bells ring across agencies, parties, and presidential administrations, different branches of government have taken action over the past year to stem the tide of our medical data flowing to China. The quest to control our biodata and, in turn, control health cares future has become the new space race, with more than national pride in the balance. -
Biden also underscored his fundamental concerns about Beijings coercive and unfair practices, its crackdown in Hong Kong, reported human rights abuses in Xinjiang, and increasingly assertive actions in the region, including toward Taiwan, the White House said in a statement.
Xi told Biden that confrontation would be a disaster and the two sides should re-establish the means to avoid misjudgments, according to the Chinese foreign ministrys account of the call, which took place on Thursday morning in Beijing time but Wednesday evening in the United States.
The Chinese leader maintained a hardline tone regarding Hong Kong, Xinjiang and Taiwan, which Xi told Biden were matters of sovereignty and territorial integrity that he hopes the United States will approach cautiously.
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While I don’t necessarily think excess military spending is the way to go, we need to prepare to kick the balls off China. It wasn’t that long ago we were just wrecking Navy ships into shipping vessels. Not that i want to see a fight with China but the forces should be prepared to annihilate anyone that confronts them.
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[link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-negative-views-on-china-spike-polls-show-11614870001?mod=hp_listb_pos3]Wall Street Journal[/link]: Nine of 10 Americans view China as a competitor or enemy and nearly half believe the U.S. should seek to limit Chinas power, according to a Pew Research Center poll published on Thursday.
A Gallup poll, also released this week, put Chinas unfavorable view among Americans at 79%, by far the worst reading since its polling began in 1979. Only Iran and North Korea scored worse.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/04/covid-trump-xi-josh-rogin/?arc404=true]Washington Post[/link]: How Covid hastened the decline and fall of the U.S.-China relationship.
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[link=https://thehill.com/policy/international/541426-blinken-calls-us-china-relations-biggest-challenge-of-century-in-major]https://thehill.com/policy/international/541426-blinken-calls-us-china-relations-biggest-challenge-of-century-in-major[/link]
[b]Blinken calls US-China relations biggest challenge of century in major speech[/b]
“China is the only country with the economic, diplomatic, military and technological power to seriously challenge the stable and open international system, all the rules, values and relationships that make the world work the way we want it to, because it ultimately serves the interests and reflects the values of the American people,” the secretary said.
“Our relationship with China will be competitive when it should be, collaborative when it can be, adversarial when it must be,” he added.
The secretary called for working with allies and partners in a coordinated response to confront China, standing up for human rights to push back on Beijing’s “impunity” and investing in American workers, companies and technologies and “insisting on a level playing field.”
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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/03/10/president-bidens-second-big-bill-may-be-china-package-pushed-by-top-senate-democrat/]https://www.washingtonpos…y-top-senate-democrat/[/link]
[b]Biden’s Second Bill may be Bipartisan China Legislation[/b]
Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) has been working on legislation that seeks to counter Chinas rising global power and proposes funding aimed at bolstering U.S. manufacturing and supply chains, among other measures.
After every Republican voted against the $1.9 trillion stimulus legislation the House is slated to approve Wednesday, the new proposal could fulfill the stated desire of both President Biden and centrist Senate Democrats to legislate across party lines.
Numerous Republican senators have cosponsored bills with Democratic lawmakers on a range of measures related to China, from shoring up U.S. production of semiconductors to creating a nationwide 5G network. Schumer has said his coming legislative package would include proposals addressed at these matters.
It is unclear how much support the China-related measures enjoy from the White House or Democratic caucus. Schumer previewed the measure in February, saying he wanted to have it ready by this spring. Key Democratic committees are accelerating work on the package to have it ready for a vote in April, according to five congressional officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal plans.[/QUOTE]
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Just heard a good interview with Josh Rogin on SiriusXM, doing press for his book [i]”Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century”[/i]
A couple interesting nuggets:
Trump’s staff tricked him into taking the phone call with Taiwan early on in his presidency.
His conversation with Xi in the aftermath of that call is what led Trump to have a true “bromance” with Xi … and it also made him never want to hear anything about Taiwan again.Trump viewed Xi (and himself) as the CEOs of their of “companies.” He took a “I wouldn’t tell someone else how to run their business” approach to human rights… he just didn’t think it was any of our business as the US. Let dictators dictate… if a person was in power then that’s it.
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one thing I’m hoping is the Biden admin makes headway on looking into the things like chip shortage etc… We really need a deep dive in how reliant we are on China. They held the cards on things like PPE. We should not be in that situation. Even on computer stuff. We shouldn’t be relying on China. They could cut the US off. It’s not a good situation.
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Same author this morning said Biden admin wants to forge a new path on China. One of the few places where policy isn’t “Obama’s third term” … Biden views both Obama and Trump policy toward China as a failure.
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Biden reportedly will have his first bilateral meeting with Xi around April 20, coordinated with Earth Day programs.
Trying to find areas of potential alignment with China for the first meeting.
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[h1]U.S. and China Spar In First Meeting Under Biden[/h1]
[link=https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-alaska-antony-blinken-yang-jiechi-wang-yi-fc23cd2b23332fa8dd2d781bd3f7c178]Associated Press[/link]:In unusually pointed public remarks for a staid diplomatic meeting, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Chinese Communist Party foreign affairs chief Yang Jiechi took aim at each others countrys policies at the start of two days of talks in Alaska. The contentious tone of their public comments suggested the private discussions would be even more rocky.
Each of these actions threaten the rules-based order that maintains global stability, Blinken said of Chinas actions in Xinjiang, Hong Kong and Taiwan, and of cyber attacks on the United States and economic coercion against U.S. allies. Thats why theyre not merely internal matters, and why we feel an obligation to raise these issues here today.
We believe that it is important for the United States to change its own image and to stop advancing its own democracy in the rest of the world, {Yang responded}. Many people within the United States actually have little confidence in the democracy of the United States.[/QUOTE]
A CBS News reporter took video on her cell phone as US television cameras were being ushered out just as tensions were rising in the room:[link=https://twitter.com/margbrennan/status/1372737270730649602?s=20]took video on her cell phone[/link]
Kudos to quick thinking tv pooler @EenaRuffini who kept rolling on her cell phone as US tv cameras were being ushered out just as tensions were rising; Chinese cameras stayed; @SecBlinken then ushered pool back in as China’s Yang warned US about its “tone” https://t.co/TTnp31Fplj
— Margaret Brennan (@margbrennan) March 19, 2021
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Maybe we should’ve served them some general tsao’s pangolin.
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[h1][b] [link=https://www.ft.com/content/3ed169b8-3f47-4f66-a914-58b6e2215f7d?shareType=nongift]Financial Times[/link]: U.S. Worried China May Seize Control of Taiwan[/b][/h1]
The US is concerned that China is flirting with the idea of seizing control of Taiwan as President Xi Jinping becomes more willing to take risks to boost his legacy.”
Said a senior U.S. official: China appears to be moving from a period of being content with the status quo over Taiwan to a period in which they are more impatient and more prepared to test the limits and flirt with the idea of unification.
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[link=https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-politics-xi-jinping-china-united-states-4a76b0f360906ab21020a0e308943ade]Associated Press[/link]:
[h1]Eating our lunch: Biden points to China in development push[/h1]
Its a national security pitch for a domestic spending program: that the $2 trillion proposal for investments in U.S. transport and energy, manufacturing, internet and other sectors will make the United States more competitive in the face of Chinese President Xi Jinpings massive infrastructure-building campaign.
The argument is that competition today with China is more about economic and technological gains than arms and its outcome will impact the United States financial growth and influence, its ability to defend U.S. security alliances and interests abroad, and the daily lives of Americans.
China under Xi has an overall goal to become the leading country in the world, the wealthiest country in the world, and the most powerful country in the world, Biden said before launching his proposal last week. Thats not going to happen on my watch because the United States are going to continue to grow and expand.[/QUOTE]
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Its really about all of the above. You dont want China to control trade routes. Theyre militarize go the South China Sea. Also whatever resources they can plunder from that area.
Im not sure if we have another thread about this but Russia is making similar power plays in the Arctic. As the area melts thats going to be resources and trade routes. We need to pay attention there also.
Its going to be hard or impossible to play on all these fronts but we should be looking at ways to counter the influence.
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[h3][link=https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-04-28/biden-talks-tough-on-china-in-first-speech-to-congress]Biden Talks Tough on China in First Speech to Congress[/link][/h3]
President Joe Biden took aim at China in his first speech to Congress on Wednesday, pledging to maintain a strong U.S. military presence in the Indo-Pacific and promising to boost technological development and trade.
“China and other countries are closing in fast. We have to develop and dominate the products and technologies of the future,” Biden said. “There is simply no reason the blades for wind turbines can’t be built in Pittsburgh instead of Beijing.”
“America will stand up to unfair trade practices that undercut American workers and American industries, like subsidies to state-owned enterprises and the theft of American technology and intellectual property,” Biden said.
He also said he told Chinese President Xi Jinping that the United States will maintain a strong military presence in the IndoPacific “just as we do for NATO in Europe not to start conflict but to prevent one.”
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[b]Chinas Top Diplomat Heads to Russia[/b][/h1]
Chinas leading diplomat will travel to Russia on Monday for security talks, the latest sign of deepening ties between Beijing and Moscow, the [link=https://www.ft.com/content/b02e2fd3-c69f-4bbf-825b-eeef4e5be945]Financial Times[/link] reports.
Putin said last week that the ties between the two countries had reached the best level in history.
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A potential new world order of an alliance between the autocratic superpowers.
Will require strengthening of the alliance among western liberal democracies.
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[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/china-bipartisan-gop-491036]GOP ire imperils bipartisan plan to confront China
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Republicans are indicating that they may derail debate on a massive Senate bill confronting Chinas growing economic and geopolitical influence before the Senate leaves town for a recess later this week.[b] [/b]Some in the GOP are pressing for more votes on their amendments to the China legislation, a top priority of Majority Leader Chuck Schumer.
Its unclear if Republicans have the votes to block the bill, the U.S. Innovation and Competition Act, S. 1260 (117), from advancing on Thursday. Senators and aides said they were optimistic that the issues would be worked out.
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Democrats dismissed the emerging GOP posture as simply an effort to extract more concessions from Schumer.
Its too big to fail. People have put too much work into this, theres too much good bipartisan stuff in here for it to go down over some petty objections about procedure, Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) said of the China bill.
Schumer is giving [Republicans] every rope they need to hang themselves,” Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said.[/QUOTE]
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Why don’t Democrats want to punish China?
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[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/08/us/politics/china-bill-passes.html]Senate Passes Bill to Bolster Competitiveness With China[/link] [image]https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif[/image]
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Uh, oh, Solyndra
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[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/08/us/politics/china-bill-passes.html]Senate Passes Bill to Bolster Competitiveness With China[/link] [image]https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif[/image]
Good start. Keep rolling.
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/558123-biden-to-press-g7-to-call-out-chinas-forced-labor-practices]Biden to press G7 to call out China’s forced labor practices[/link]
Thumbs up … US can’t do much to counter China alone. It will need to be a concerted multilater effort among all of the global democracies.-
If you ever hear Mattis speak this is the stuff he would preach. Not do it alone but coalition
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Are these dips hits about to radiate the South China Sea
[link=https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/14/politics/china-nuclear-reactor-leak-us-monitoring/]https://www.cnn.com/2021/…or-leak-us-monitoring/[/link]
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[b]China Building 100 New Missile Silos[/b][/h1]
China has begun construction of what independent experts say are more than 100 new silos for intercontinental ballistic missiles in a desert near the northwestern city of Yumen, a building spree that could a signal a major expansion of Beijings nuclear capabilities, the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/china-nuclear-missile-silos/2021/06/30/0fa8debc-d9c2-11eb-bb9e-70fda8c37057_story.html]Washington Post[/link] reports.-
seems totally pointless and doesn’t change the equation. It won’t take nearly that much firepower to make the planet uninhabitable. So what’s the point.
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[link=https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/china-sanctions-trump-commerce-secretary-wilbur-ross.html]China sanctions Wilbur Ross, others over U.S. warning about Hong Kong business conditions[/link]
