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Salary for 77 off 12hr days with no bennies?
7/7 with no bennies, 12hr workdays. No CME, no short or long term disability, no 401K match, no HSA/FSA, or any healthcare spending acct. No health insurance. Only benefit is that job is remote and in Texas, a low malpractice state.
What is the typical salary this type of job? I know there are better ones out there, but having that Texas tort is what is most attractive to me. -
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For me, 2,000,000 for giving up 1/2 weekends and working non stop 12 hr shifts.
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That’s brutal.
It’s close to 2 FTEs work in this market.
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Id take another 500k for top notch benefits so I can get the best psychiatrist to get me back to normal after my year of making 2 mil working every other weekend and 12 hr shifts.
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Agree with above, this is a 7 figure job that you will leave in a year because it is intolerable.
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Agree with above, this is a 7 figure job that you will leave in a year because it is intolerable.
Does it make a difference if the hrs were reduced to 10hr days?-
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Agree with above, this is a 7 figure job that you will leave in a year because it is intolerable.
Does it make a difference if the hrs were reduced to 10hr days?
Sure …. but even then it’s a grinder of a job.
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Texas tort? Most suits are beyond your control and extremely rare
This is a job only if you can tolerate for 1 yr because of big bucks and even then
Shame on the employer for creating a job that is to use use and abuse someone who doesnt know better
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Tele I would push for 7-8 hours. No interruptions or procedures.
I did a second shift 7 hour spot and hit high rvus every day.-
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Tele I would push for 7-8 hours. No interruptions or procedures.
I did a second shift 7 hour spot and hit high rvus every day.
What kind of $ would this command?-
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Tele I would push for 7-8 hours. No interruptions or procedures.
I did a second shift 7 hour spot and hit high rvus every day.
What kind of $ would this command?
I was paid 25 per wrvu. I no longer work there. Productive onsite pacs and dictation. I hit 100+ rvu per day.
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Man this job sounds horrible. No benefits? 12 hour days? only 7 off after that? No thanks. I dont think there is a salary I would do that job for.
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Daytime, correct? Volume expectations?
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Daytime, correct? Volume expectations?
Daytime, volume 14K RVU per year. Unlimited bathroom breaks.
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How is the job market great when jobs like this are offered and there are rads who want to take them?
I bet he is going to make 300-400k at usual telerad rates. Thats 2184 hours per year (full time squeezed into half the year) comes out to 137-183 per hour. That is incredibly bad.
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why wouldn’t these people just take VA jobs
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Horrendously terrible is an understatement for this job.
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You can sign up for 10 and then cut way back on last three. Putz around. Listen to music. Have a case pulled up at all times. If asked say I saved some complex inpatients for the end.
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We found 7/7 is very difficult even at 8 hours/day.
And its never 8 hours, is it? There is a dump of cases 30 minutes before the end of shift and suddenly 8 hours becomes 9, or the next person walks into a long list and is angry and behind.
We have been dealing with these issues for years and found there are some people that can tolerate 7/7 overnights only (not days or evenings). Most that try end up burning out. We have found 7/14 is tolerated better and that is 8 hrs/shift although some do 10 hrs on overnight.
Longevity is key, if you’re one of the few that can handle 10 hours shifts or even 7/7 then great! You should be very well paid for it. The majority of people do not seem to tolerate 7/7 or 10 hour shifts, don’t make yourself miserable or ruin your health/marriage/life for it.
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Agree with above, this is a 7 figure job that you will leave in a year because it is intolerable.
Does it make a difference if the hrs were reduced to 10hr days?
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Is it salary or per click?
Sitting around for 12hrs in front of the workstation is going to be tough.
Make sure you get a couch in your office to relax a little.
Even 9hrs is getting harder, especially as you get older. Probably not a big deal for younger rads coming out of training.Quote from dergon
That’s brutal.
It’s close to 2 FTEs work in this market.
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Job doesn’t make any sense at all unless there is more to the story (or it’s paying 7 figures??).
Daytime and remote is nice but not at half the weekends and 12 hours a day. No one cares that much about low vs. high malpractice states.-
need 7 figures
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2 million, not kidding.
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I’ve read MLM posts that sound more attractive than that offer.
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2 million, not kidding.
Nope, they’re offering 435K-
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2 million, not kidding.
Nope, they’re offering 435K
Need to post up where this job is, so bad it should be a crime. Maybe if you have like 10 DWIs or a sex offense on your record would you need to stoop so low to take a crap offer like this.-
I think the market for offsite telerad is terribly over saturated given the quality of jobs and 20-30 wRVU pay.
The employer through out a line for an unreasonable job (7 on/7off 12 hr shifts) and we already know of one bite. Probably many others as well.
On-site in a group, that job should pay about 650-700k for that many hours
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I work 1 wk on/1 wk off . it works splendidly for me now in my 60s, but no way would i have done it when i was raising my family. Agree with others that this job you are describing is garbage. 12 hr/day for 7 days straight is not sustainable for any amount of money, much less for 435. 10 hours should be the max, but 8-9 is more appropriate. Bennies are must.
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The flame thread jumped the shark here. 800-900K would be more reasonable for the unsustainable job.
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2 million, not kidding.
Nope, they’re offering 435K
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$700k
I’d rather do 6 hours of work every day than 12 hour shifts though 7/7. A 6 hour shift every day is honestly not bad at all, I would consider that a lifestyle job comparatively tbh.
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Job doesn’t make any sense at all unless there is more to the story (or it’s paying 7 figures??).
Daytime and remote is nice but not at half the weekends and 12 hours a day. No one cares that much about low vs. high malpractice states.
Nope, they’re offering 435K. Does it matter that if the malpractice is low?
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That is utterly ridiculous.
They are not serious, or their payer mix is abysmal, or not in touch with the current market, or hoping to find someone to exploit.
No one should be considering a 7/7 with 10-12 hour shifts for anywhere near that amount, it is far too low.
It is so low that I would not trust them and personally would not even bother negotiating.
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Nope, they’re offering 435K. Does it matter that if the malpractice is low?
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That is utterly ridiculous.
They are not serious, or their payer mix is abysmal, or not in touch with the current market, or hoping to find someone to exploit.
No one should be considering a 7/7 with 10-12 hour shifts for anywhere near that amount, it is far too low.
It is so low that I would not trust them and personally would not even bother negotiating.Quote from keptinthedark3
Nope, they’re offering 435K. Does it matter that if the malpractice is low?
Bigger group offering 7/7 with later hours for less . Not worth it. -
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That is utterly ridiculous.
They are not serious, or their payer mix is abysmal, or not in touch with the current market, or hoping to find someone to exploit.
No one should be considering a 7/7 with 10-12 hour shifts for anywhere near that amount, it is far too low.
It is so low that I would not trust them and personally would not even bother negotiating.Quote from keptinthedark3
Nope, they’re offering 435K. Does it matter that if the malpractice is low?
This is the kind of stuff I’m talking about. There are academic jobs out there that pay towards or well over 3 bills + and that’s with residents, etc. You’re asking people to get taxed on 100k more than that at high rates for destroying their health, and for long shifts? LOL!
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Job doesn’t make any sense at all unless there is more to the story (or it’s paying 7 figures??).
Daytime and remote is nice but not at half the weekends and 12 hours a day. No one cares that much about low vs. high malpractice states.
Nope, they’re offering 435K. Does it matter that if the malpractice is low?
OUCH. uh, you could probably find an RP gig that pays more… with full benefits. swipe left.
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You should base whether it is fair or not based on your desired salary per hour. Most 7on/7off shifts are 8-9 hours and don’t go late into the night. If this 12hour shift starts 4hours earlier, i.e. at 10am, then employer offers you to make more $$ during the regular day hours. It might be desirable if the hourly salary was good… i.e. work 182 shifts per year, might want to work 14shifts in a row in order to take a 2 week vacation. But as implied above, the only reason employer came up with unusually long 12 hr shifts, is because the hourly rate is low… it wouldn’t be a good deal if you worked 8-5 either …
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One billion dollars.
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Quote from Radsoxfan
Job doesn’t make any sense at all unless there is more to the story (or it’s paying 7 figures??).
Daytime and remote is nice but not at half the weekends and 12 hours a day. No one cares that much about low vs. high malpractice states.
Nope, they’re offering 435K. Does it matter that if the malpractice is low?
You would have to value “low malpractice” (going with your assumption this is even true) at 300k+/year.
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Realistically this job should be paying around 900k+ for the total hours worked, the weekends, evenings and overtime differential, and the stress.
435k is a slap in the face. I wouldn’t even bother negotiating and just laugh at them.
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Agree with above.
I dont understand how the telerad industry came up with this 7/7 or 7/14 scheme? Is this a product of a still saturated market for off site reads or relic of old bad job markets?
Rads not working telerad rarely work 7 days straight and give up every second or third weekend. That is brutal.
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Yes, totally stupid.
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Agree with above.
I dont understand how the telerad industry came up with this 7/7 or 7/14 scheme? Is this a product of a still saturated market for off site reads or relic of old bad job markets?
Rads not working telerad rarely work 7 days straight and give up every second or third weekend. That is brutal.
It’s an operational solution that alleviates the group from ever again having to think about “weekend coverage”
7 on 7 off was absolutely an offshoot of the bad job market from the early 2010s.
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7 on 7 off is a terrible job. Most of the academic places are 7 on 14 off.
I agree with the sentiments above. Any group that hasnt already been able to solve the overnight problem by keeping it in house is in serious trouble in this market. The tele companies have jacked up their rates and you are at their mercy. Especially if your hospital contract does not obligate the hospital to fund it.
I wouldnt consider a 7 on 7 off job for anything less than 500K and only if it was covering a very low level ER with ~30 wRVU per shift where I could be relaxing most of the night and take 2-3 hr breaks.
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I don’t think there’s a 7/7 job that pays that much with only 30 wRvus per shift. If there is I would like to know, please pm me.
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7 on 7 off is a terrible job. Most of the academic places are 7 on 14 off.
I agree with the sentiments above. Any group that hasnt already been able to solve the overnight problem by keeping it in house is in serious trouble in this market. The tele companies have jacked up their rates and you are at their mercy. Especially if your hospital contract does not obligate the hospital to fund it.
I wouldnt consider a 7 on 7 off job for anything less than 500K and only if it was covering a very low level ER with ~30 wRVU per shift where I could be relaxing most of the night and take 2-3 hr breaks.
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Our academic practice is now 7 on 14 off for evenings as well. It’s a good option for people who want the schedule flexiblity but not do deep nights. The night people are also happy because evenings are terrible so it’s better to have dedicated evening people to read all that post-clinic onc post-op garbage.
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7-14 for what shift, 2-10 pm? How late do these “evenings” go, nighthawker?
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I genuinely would not do this for $1.2MM. Life is too short.
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7/7 with no bennies, 12hr workdays. No CME, no short or long term disability, no 401K match, no HSA/FSA, or any healthcare spending acct. No health insurance. Only benefit is that job is remote and in Texas, a low malpractice state.
What is the typical salary this type of job? I know there are better ones out there, but having that Texas tort is what is most attractive to me.
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evenings are till 2 am, overnights until 8 am.
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Wow, you all just created the worst shift of all time (ending at 2 am) lol
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Evenings that end at 2 am is basically a night job. Messes up your circadian clock and your health.
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Evenings that end at 2 am is basically a night job. Messes up your circadian clock and your health.
Anything past midnight is deep nights for me. I work a similar shift now, and by the weekend I’m worn down. Can’t imagine doing it 7/7.-
Yeah I hate the evening shifts bc you both lose your evening and it’s super busy. Only the people that don’t like staying up all night like it. I much prefer 11-8 so I can still socialize in the evenings and it’s a little quieter. There’s a fair amount of demand for it though. If you’re doing it from west coast, it’s only till 11 pm if that matters to you. Still a shitty shift though.
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