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  • Reparations?

    Posted by julie.young_645 on July 24, 2009 at 8:16 am

    [link=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534643,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g4:r4:c0.000000:b26657766:z0]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534643,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g4:r4:c0.000000:b26657766:z0[/link]
     
    I would like to see an honest discussion of what Glen Beck talks about in this piece.  Don’t bother to hide behind the fact that this comes from Fox, or that Beck was a drunk druggie 20 years ago. 
     
     

    alyaa.rifaie_129 replied 3 years, 1 month ago 8 Members · 29 Replies
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  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    July 24, 2009 at 8:26 am

    Beck is borrowing this idea from article mentioned in thread on health care and reparation. Read the article. It does may certain large leaps of logic.

    • Unknown Member

      Deleted User
      July 24, 2009 at 10:31 am

      I think what we are seeing by this reparations talk and Obama’s birth certificate is the first step in the Republicans trying to rebuild their party.  I don’t necessary agree with how they are doing it, but I think they feel that by reeling in the ignorant rednecks (go ahead say what you will but you know its true) with the Patriotism and subtle racist lingo that they are reeling lost sheep back into the fold.
       
      I think they are making a mistake but I think that is what these 2 issues………….the birth certificate and reparations are meant to do.

      • julie.young_645

        Member
        July 24, 2009 at 10:47 am

        So you don’t agree with the premise.  I’m finding it difficult to explain the massive upheaval in government and economy in other terms, although I’m not sold on this explanation either.
         
        The “birther” thing is an extreme position not held by very many people at all, certainly not the mainstream remnants of the Republicans. 

        • jasbelenecolon_394

          Member
          July 24, 2009 at 10:59 am

          It does seem a bit of a stretch to think that helping the poor of our country equals reparation for slavery. Negative people can find lots of rationalizations for their pessimistic attitude, but I think this type of thinking is just what a couple of others here have said–the Conservatives are trying to get back on track. If you find that the populace no longer agrees with your agenda, it is easier to “de-convert” them than it is to come up with new ideas.
          I am not a Liberal or a Democrat, BTW. I just abhor politics and liars in general (and on principle).

        • Unknown Member

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          July 24, 2009 at 11:09 am

          [b]I’m finding it difficult to explain the massive upheaval in government and economy in other terms[/b]
          [b][/b] 
          Dalai, 
           
          I don’t agree that there is a massive upheaval in government as you suggest.  I belive it is more desparate times calling for desparate measures.  I mean Look…………..some of the TARP money has already been paid back and most of it looks like it will be paid back in full some with interest.  GM is already out of bankruptcy and if it goes as expected will pay back its debt and get out of governement control. 
           
          Sure Obama has spent a lot so far but there was nearly a complete collapse of our financial system.
           
          I think will time which view is right but, I just don’t see things the same way as you I guess.

          • melkushon

            Member
            July 24, 2009 at 11:48 am

            ORIGINAL: eradicator

            [b]I’m finding it difficult to explain the massive upheaval in government and economy in other terms[/b]
            [b][/b] 
            Dalai, 

            I don’t agree that there is a massive upheaval in government as you suggest.  I belive it is more desparate times calling for desparate measures.  I mean Look…………..some of the TARP money has already been paid back and most of it looks like it will be paid back in full some with interest.  GM is already out of bankruptcy and if it goes as expected will pay back its debt and get out of governement control. 

            Sure Obama has spent a lot so far but there was nearly a complete collapse of our financial system.

            I think will time which view is right but, I just don’t see things the same way as you I guess.

            How does launching a massive new government health plan on the backs of small business help the economy in the middle of a severe recession? It doesn’t, and Americans are beginning to realize it.  That and Obama’s bizarre segue into racial politics from the post-racial president.  Rasmussen has him at 51% disapproval rating today — http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history.

            • Unknown Member

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              July 24, 2009 at 12:05 pm

              ORIGINAL: el Jefe

              How does launching a massive new government health plan on the backs of small business help the economy in the middle of a severe recession? It doesn’t, and Americans are beginning to realize it.

              agreed. ironically, an initiative calling for health insurance mandates and public financing thereof could reap large social gains in times of plenty. unfortunately, our economy is barely moving at sufficient speed to maintain inertia, and we could very well find ourselves crushed under the weight of paying for obama’s legacy. what a short-sighted dunce. the people writing him letters about losing their health insurance will surely maintain their correspondence when they’re laid off…..

            • Unknown Member

              Deleted User
              July 24, 2009 at 12:19 pm

              [b]How does launching a massive new government health plan on the backs of small business help the economy in the middle of a severe recession?[/b]
               
              Really when did that happen?
               
              Did I miss Healthcare reform or has the house and senate already passed it and Obama signed it.
               
              Shoot thanks I must have really been a sleep.  I didn’t realize all this stuff already has been decided is is now law.

              • Unknown Member

                Deleted User
                July 24, 2009 at 12:21 pm

                The similarities to the mid 90’s are amazing.

              • melkushon

                Member
                July 24, 2009 at 12:35 pm

                ORIGINAL: eradicator

                [b]How does launching a massive new government health plan on the backs of small business help the economy in the middle of a severe recession?[/b]

                Really when did that happen?

                Did I miss Healthcare reform or has the house and senate already passed it and Obama signed it.

                Shoot thanks I must have really been a sleep.  I didn’t realize all this stuff already has been decided is is now law.

                For my sleepy-headed little friend, let me back up and explain — the intention to perform an act often precedes the act itself, and usually increases the probability of that act occurring.  Otherwise the act would be involuntary.  Certain acts you are likely familiar with, such as relieving yourself on the couch, may be involuntary and indeed can (and likely do) happen while you are asleep.  But complex acts such as devising, passing, and signing bills into law are unlikely to be involuntary.  Therefore, the intention to launch a massive new government health plan on the backs of small business in the middle of a severe recession would be expected to precede the act itself.

                • Unknown Member

                  Deleted User
                  July 24, 2009 at 12:43 pm

                  To say that health care is about slave reparations is just delusional. This has been a Democratic iniative for at least 20 years, well before Obama even thought of going into politics. You argue all you want on the merits of different plans, but can any of you argue with a straight face that our system isn’t equitable and overly expensive. By virtually any measure of care we don’t rank first in outcomes, but we do rank first by large margain in cost. If you want to fight this reform then fine, but do it on an intelligent level.

                  • melkushon

                    Member
                    July 24, 2009 at 12:51 pm

                    ORIGINAL: Raddocmed

                    To say that health care is about slave reparations is just delusional. This has been a Democratic iniative for at least 20 years, well before Obama even thought of going into politics. You argue all you want on the merits of different plans, but can any of you argue with a straight face that our system isn’t equitable and overly expensive. By virtually any measure of care we don’t rank first in outcomes, but we do rank first by large margain in cost. If you want to fight this reform then fine, but do it on an intelligent level.

                    I wasn’t arguing that it was about slave reparations.  I was arguing that what Obama clearly intends to do it is damned expensive and it will hit the economy hard.  This means one of three things, either 1) Obama has no f’ing clue how the economy works, 2) he doesn’t care, or 3) both.

                • Unknown Member

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                  July 24, 2009 at 1:05 pm

                  [b]Therefore, the intention to launch a massive new government health plan on the backs of small business in the middle of a severe recession would be expected to precede the act itself.[/b]
                  [b][/b] 
                  George was going to get rid of social security too and privatize it.  DId he?
                   
                  None of this is a done deal. 

                  • melkushon

                    Member
                    July 24, 2009 at 1:14 pm

                    ORIGINAL: eradicator

                    [b]Therefore, the intention to launch a massive new government health plan on the backs of small business in the middle of a severe recession would be expected to precede the act itself.[/b]
                    [b][/b] 
                    George was going to get rid of social security too and privatize it.  DId he?

                    None of this is a done deal. 

                    Obama has free reign with Congress. GW didn’t.  No checks and balances here.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 24, 2009 at 1:38 pm

                      Have you ever been in a negotiating process?

                      Typically one side will ask for their wish list and usually the final offer is much different from the original proposal.

                      I beleive there will be something that comes out labeled as Health care reform.  But it will be much scaled down and much smaller than what you are talking about……………….Time will tell.  In a few months you can tell me if I am wrong.

                    • melkushon

                      Member
                      July 24, 2009 at 1:46 pm

                      ORIGINAL: eradicator

                      Have you ever been in a negotiating process?

                      Typically one side will ask for their wish list and usually the final offer is much different from the original proposal.

                      I beleive there will be something that comes out labeled as Health care reform.  But it will be much scaled down and much smaller than what you are talking about……………….Time will tell.  In a few months you can tell me if I am wrong.

                      Sure have, but when both sides want the same thing it goes right on through.  You assume adversarial negotiations, and that is not the case here. I think it will get derailed because Congress fears the upcoming elections, and their indirect adversaries, the electorate.

                      The intention to pass this legislation is what bothers me.  If these guys can push so hard for something that would actively harm the country, what are they pushing for and passing that doesn’t get press coverage because it isn’t a hot-button issue (yet)?

                      Just because you catch a stupid person doing something stupid, doesn’t mean 1) they haven’t already completed numerous stupid acts or 2) will continue to when you are not watching.  Just because you watch a stupid person failing at a difficult stupid act doesn’t mean they will not find numerous easy stupid things to succeed at.

                    • raddoc77

                      Member
                      July 24, 2009 at 1:48 pm

                      I agree with the pundits….it’s health [b]insurance[/b] reform, not health care reform anymore.  What we will eventually see will be much different from what is being discussed now.  Look at the backpedaling already.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 24, 2009 at 3:47 pm

                      I tend to think this process is inevitable with reimbursements going down no matter who is in office or what party.  We have no political friends on either side of the aisle.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      July 24, 2009 at 4:08 pm

                      The truth is small business feels crushed by the present system of health coverage. If it’s so grand, why are so many dropping or cutting back coverage for their employees? How about all those working FT hours who have no insurance at all? It’s because the present system is so cheap? & thanks to the defeat of the Clinton plan, it’s got cheaper and better, just like it was predicted by the Republicans.

                    • melkushon

                      Member
                      July 24, 2009 at 5:32 pm

                      ORIGINAL: Frumious

                      The truth is small business feels crushed by the present system of health coverage. If it’s so grand, why are so many dropping or cutting back coverage for their employees? How about all those working FT hours who have no insurance at all? It’s because the present system is so cheap? & thanks to the defeat of the Clinton plan, it’s got cheaper and better, just like it was predicted by the Republicans.

                      The point is that an extra 8% tax on a small business’ payroll with force them to cut 8% of their workforce.  It is breathtakingly stupid in this economy.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 24, 2009 at 8:29 pm

                      [b]The point is that an extra 8% tax on a small business’ payroll with force them to cut 8% of their workforce.[/b]
                      [b][/b] 
                      You are basing this assumption on what?
                       
                      Here we go again throwing around what ifs and maybes as Newtons 5th law of physics.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 24, 2009 at 9:33 pm

                      It may also be erroneous to assume that funding healthcare with an 8% tax on business will necessarily increase unemployment.  Sure, it will increase the cost of what the taxed businesses sell, which will decrease demand, which will result in some layoffs.  However, these layoffs may be more than offset by increased employment in the realtively labor-intensive healthcare sector, when millions of new patients can suddenly afford medical treatment that previously they had to do without. 

                      The net result will likely be more a shift of employment, from retail/industrial to healthcare, rather than a reduction in employment.

                      What is more important, the health of our countrymen, or producing more cars, shoes, slurpies and monster trucks?

                    • melkushon

                      Member
                      July 25, 2009 at 12:30 am

                      ORIGINAL: eradicator

                      [b]The point is that an extra 8% tax on a small business’ payroll with force them to cut 8% of their workforce.[/b]
                      [b][/b] 
                      You are basing this assumption on what?

                      Here we go again throwing around what ifs and maybes as Newtons 5th law of physics.

                      Having run a small business.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      July 25, 2009 at 3:09 am

                      Did your employees enjoy insurance and did it cost more than 8% of their salary?

                      8% is a F’in bargain for health insurance for their employees. Not to mention that it would lower insurance costs overall by increasing the insured base, thus supporting the private market.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 25, 2009 at 4:14 am

                      [b]Having run a small business.[/b]
                       
                      I run a small business that already provides Health insurance………………….so if rates go down How many people do I have layoff?????  Heck I may even hire more.
                       
                      LIke I said  what ifs passed out as Newtons 5th law of physics.
                       
                       
                       

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      March 23, 2021 at 5:19 am

                      [b]Evanston Passes Reparations for Black Residents[/b][/h1]  
                      [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/evanston-illinois-reparations/2021/03/22/6b5a308c-8b2d-11eb-9423-04079921c915_story.html]Washington Post[/link] : The Evanston City Council approved the first phase of reparations to acknowledge the harm caused by discriminatory housing policies, practices and inaction going back more than a century. The 8-1 vote will make $400,000 available in $25,000 homeownership and improvement grants, as well as in mortgage assistance for Black residents who can show they are direct descendants of individuals who lived in the city between 1919 and 1969.

                       

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      April 15, 2021 at 4:03 am

                      [h1][b]Reparations Commission Bill Advances In House[/b][/h1]  
                      The House Judiciary Committee voted 25 to 17 to advance a bill that would create a commission to study reparations for Black Americans who are the descendants of slaves, the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/reparations-commission-biden-jackson-lee/2021/04/13/f146e92c-9bec-11eb-8a83-3bc1fa69c2e8_story.html]Washington Post[/link] reports.
                       

                    • alyaa.rifaie_129

                      Member
                      April 15, 2021 at 4:48 am

                      Why have a bill? From the twitter posts of some activists looting by “peaceful protestors” is ok because it is all part of the reparations even when they destroy minority owned business

      • Unknown Member

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        July 24, 2009 at 11:48 am

        You liberals fascinate me. The b***s*** spin you put on every post. Admit it, the wheels are coming of the bamawagon…..notice how he is beginning to sweat.