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Recruitment
Posted by jenewers13_808 on March 31, 2023 at 3:37 amMy group wants to engage a recruiting firm to help with hiring. How much should we expect to spend to hire one rad? Tried the ACR job board without much success. What have been your experiences with recruiters?
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Deleted UserMarch 31, 2023 at 5:39 amProbably 30-40k with a signed contract. We have worked with a few different recruiters/firms in the past. The process can be a little frustrating and time consuming but necessary evil, especially today. The worst is when recruiters try to sell you that a candidate is a great fit for your general group even though they read one modality, want to work remotely, etc. Depending on your practice and need, you have to be a bit picky/skeptical otherwise you will waste time and money in the long run.
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My group wants to engage a recruiting firm to help with hiring. How much should we expect to spend to hire one rad? Tried the ACR job board without much success. What have been your experiences with recruiters?
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Those recruiters seem to only contact us with remote out of state workers, so not really solid leads
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Our experience has been as above, limited utility with too much wasted time and money.
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They are as good as you enable them to be in my experience. The more information you can provide for them the better job they will do to find a fit. Make sure they are NON contingency. Never understood why a firm would expect to be paid to not deliver anything. If your group is hurting that bad, some Rads I know mentioned a locums doc coming in to help while the group was perm searching and they were in talks with that doc about a possible perm job with their group, that fee was around 30-35k with the locums agency if I recall. Either way, I hope it works out for your group and good luck with the search!
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OP, you should use them if you are in the boonies or your group is malignant or your CEO is a narcissist and has a bad reputation of micromanagers. If you have a good reputation and none of the above apply to you, you shouldn’t have to hire a recruiter.
If I were you, form a small recruitment committee from amongst you and shoot emails to nearest residency program and tell them how much of a life-style practice you are. That is , if you are !-
I assume the question is being asked because they are reaching the end of their own efforts, and they are asking about our experience with recruiting firms. Of course if you can do it yourself then you should, but this does not seem to be that ideal situation. The point of my comment was to mention these locums agencies as a possible option if they choose to go that route. They are NON -contingent, usually have a large database of candidates, and the most you might pay for a fee would be around 30-35k only if you hire their doc. Also, agencies work with providers they have history with so you also have the benefit of seeing docs they know do a good job and who have been approved for insurance. Some food for thought.
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I assume the question is being asked because they are reaching the end of their own efforts, and they are asking about our experience with recruiting firms. Of course if you can do it yourself then you should, but this does not seem to be that ideal situation. The point of my comment was to mention these locums agencies as a possible option if they choose to go that route. They are NON -contingent, usually have a large database of candidates, and the most you might pay for a fee would be around 30-35k only if you hire their doc. Also, agencies work with providers they have history with so you also have the benefit of seeing docs they know do a good job and who have been approved for insurance. Some food for thought.
There seems to be some confusion about the term contingent.
Most recruiters I am familiar with work on a contingency basis. That is they get paid if they deliver a candidate that gets hired (and sometimes with the last third of the payment due 6 month after a successful hire).
If you end up hiring a future partner, 30-35k to a recruiter becomes a rounding error.
Otoh, if you hire someone and after 8 months they tell you that their wife wants to be in the suburbs or they didn’t think they would have to work that hard, then 30-35k out the window was a waste.
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Not much success w/ recruiters. A lot of the good candidates will find their way to practices through word of mouth or connections thru colleagues or training programs. Some times you get lucky but this is the exception. We have had the most success through referrals from our current rads. I think groups need to think outside of the box and creative in order to land good candidates.
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I assume the question is being asked because they are reaching the end of their own efforts, and they are asking about our experience with recruiting firms. Of course if you can do it yourself then you should, but this does not seem to be that ideal situation. The point of my comment was to mention these locums agencies as a possible option if they choose to go that route. They are NON -contingent, usually have a large database of candidates, and the most you might pay for a fee would be around 30-35k only if you hire their doc. Also, agencies work with providers they have history with so you also have the benefit of seeing docs they know do a good job and who have been approved for insurance. Some food for thought.
There seems to be some confusion about the term contingent.
Most recruiters I am familiar with work on a contingency basis. That is they get paid if they deliver a candidate that gets hired (and sometimes with the last third of the payment due 6 month after a successful hire).
If you end up hiring a future partner, 30-35k to a recruiter becomes a rounding error.
Otoh, if you hire someone and after 8 months they tell you that their wife wants to be in the suburbs or they didn’t think they would have to work that hard, then 30-35k out the window was a waste.-
As someone currently looking for a position and seeing all the job posts, the recruiters are actually the worst ones to go to – they never know anything, use gimmicky emails and posts that you know arent true (over $1 million salary potential!! – but when you call its a job with a 350k salary and productivity where you can make $1mil if you work 16 hour days every day all year), and basically just want to present you whether the job fits or not.
You can spot the good groups online really easily by the posts being honest, explaining the roles, and having a direct contact person who actually responds. Please dont use words like competitive compensation when its clearly not (and a benefits package I cant spend myself and the cost of malpractice being covered are not part of compensation fyi)please dont say things are negotiable when youre not willing to negotiateplease dont say theres no weekends and then say actually we need you in the weekend call poolthese are all things Ive experienced lately firsthand.
Bottom line, create good competitive offers and youll get great candidates who you can vet better than any recruiter.
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Deleted UserApril 5, 2023 at 3:22 pmBack when I was job hunting – and things may be different now – using a recruiter was like selecting for bottom-of-the-barrel jobs that had to pay someone recruit.
And ACR website posts from the hiring group ranged from bad to good.
And excellent/best jobs never advertised on ACR or anywhere. When they needed to hire, they had a buttload of applicants known to group partners waiting in the wings to pounce.
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Deleted UserMarch 31, 2023 at 1:19 pm
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My group wants to engage a recruiting firm to help with hiring. How much should we expect to spend to hire one rad? Tried the ACR job board without much success. What have been your experiences with recruiters?
Have you thought about posting individual rad testimonials on youtube? What is means for your group to be excellent. What is excellent? Does your group set the standard in radiology? probably cost less than 35k, much less.