[ruszja]

Starve the beast.
 
I’ll rather drive a tanker truck than work for RP.

[Unknown Member]

These salaries won’t last. No way for RP investors to make money.

[JENNIFERG09_691]

Is it salary or total compensation?

[Unknown Member]

The Friedman doctrine, also called shareholder theory or stockholder theory, is a normative theory of business ethics advanced by economist Milton Friedman which holds that a firm’s main responsibility is to its shareholders. wiki
 
RP shareholders come first? Nowadays its shareholders and employees and customers work for the executives. 

[Dr_Cocciolillo]

Bs. Maybe at 17k wrvu a year expectations.

Here is what i know

RP, post sale , pays between $ 29 and 37/wrvu depending on market. Out of that comes most of your benefits but for health for a single person.
At 18k wrvu a year , those salaries are possible. Id rather run for the hills.

[josephbardwell]

I dare someone to take this RP bait job and then get back to us on how they were mislead. You might make 550k but either its gonna be earned with an insane amount of volume and call or this is pure smoke and mirrors. We all know there is no free lunch with RP. Anyone working for a PE group automatically sends out 30% of their income with no return. That would translate this job getting actually getting paid $715k. I’d bet you pay back the $50k sign on bonus and maybe even some of that high salary if you decide you are getting screwed and want to leave before the 3-4 years on your contract. The greedy rads who sold out this practice deserve the garbage RP contracts and being overworked until they finally decided to retire.  

[consuldreugenio]

Its total compensation. Subtract 75k as it probably includes benefits like retirement, retirement match, malpractice and health insurance.

Its a trap

[Chris7549]

This is only for the RP elite SEAL team. Deployed on a moments notice to the 4 corners of rural america to protect rp and their contracts they will likely lose when the hospitals notice they cant otherwise put boots on the ground.

[Unknown Member]

Will investors ever learn from history?
 
The Hunts lost big time trying to corner the silver market. 
 
RP investors may fare no better.

[ariesanurhani_334]

If nobody works for them, they’ll eventually disappear into ether… right..? Right? 

[Unknown Member]

They have enough of the market now that rads will have to work for them. At the end of the day the rads market basically clears.
 
The number of rads pretty much equals the amount of work.
 
Thousands of exams just don’t go unread some years.

[cieminsjohn]

I could see some of the smaller locations dropping RP if they cannot entice someone to work there.  But too many, in my encounters, just don’t care.  Job is a job …

[jennycullmann]

Currently, what do you guys see as the premium for the late shift (afternoon til 10 or so) as opposed to the late, late shift (overnight)? Is there a 25% markup for either of those compared to an 8-5 top job?
 
Also, if you are PP, on average how many weekends does one work, and is 8-9 weeks vacation about average?

[mpezeshkirad_710]

Quote from eaglebarrett

I’m guessing this is a clear sign that they can’t find people to work for them. LOL

Probably insane volume, could be total compensation.  RP pays very badly for the workload.
 
I still don’t see the RP freight train stopping.  Most people will give in and work for them IMO.

[jennycullmann]

I see demand for radiologists only going up. Hold out people, hold out.

[Ali.zavareh]

Casino,

Our mid size PP group assigns points to each shift to weight them.

Day shift 8-5= 1
Mid shift 4p-12a=1.25
Overnight=1.5

So for example if an overnight rad (they work 1 week on, 2 weeks off) wants to become a partner, they pick up additional shift equivalents to reach the number of points a partner works.

Partners take 12 weeks vacation. Associates get 10.

1 in 4 weekend exposure. Only 1 in 8 weekends is a full Saturday and full Sunday.

Hope that helps.

[cieminsjohn]

Quote from jah4

Casino,

Our mid size PP group assigns points to each shift to weight them.

Day shift 8-5= 1
Mid shift 4p-12a=1.25
Overnight=1.5

So for example if an overnight rad (they work 1 week on, 2 weeks off) wants to become a partner, they pick up additional shift equivalents to reach the number of points a partner works.

Partners take 12 weeks vacation. Associates get 10.

1 in 4 weekend exposure. Only 1 in 8 weekends is a full Saturday and full Sunday.

Hope that helps.

 
Wish that was offered to me.  Oh well.   How many points to get to partner?
 
 

[Dr_Cocciolillo]

4-12 is an hour shorter and worth 1.25. All in , it is 1.35 the daily shift.

Overnights at 1.5 makes sense.

[jennycullmann]

Thanks. 1 in 4, Nibbler, so you can mostly work 1 day weekends?

[Ali.zavareh]

We all rotate through our 4-12 for a week every 8th week and then work the full weekend. Its a balls to the walls shift full of trauma, stroke and IP train wrecks. More RVUs than a day shift and one less hour.

But to be honest no one (almost no one) shows up at 8 and leaves at 5 on the nose for a day shift. Not cool to leave when your seat list is clean and your buddy is behind.

[Unknown Member]

Really? Do you have assigned work lists? Rotating shifts ?Depends on the group culture but why stay and extend commute time and lessen family time if someone is slow?

[Ali.zavareh]

When you own your own business you will always stay late when the list is long. Poor turn around times (and poor reports from anyone) reflect badly upon you. If one of my partners is behind there is a good reason for it. Him spending time with his family is as important as me spending time with mine. I will stay late for him and he will do the same for me.

You will turn on your PACS at home and help clean up studies when needed.

You will log on and help your partner on a Saturday when they get hit with a mass trauma and turn around times cant be met.

You will take phone calls from referring providers even when you are on vacation.

You will do what has to be done to take care of patients.

This is the difference between a Real Partner and a RadPartner.

[Unknown Member]

This is the difference between a Real Partner and a RadPartner.

Truer words have never been spoken.

[Unknown Member]

Quote from jah4

When you own your own business you will always stay late when the list is long. Poor turn around times (and poor reports from anyone) reflect badly upon you. If one of my partners is behind there is a good reason for it. Him spending time with his family is as important as me spending time with mine. I will stay late for him and he will do the same for me.

You will turn on your PACS at home and help clean up studies when needed.

You will log on and help your partner on a Saturday when they get hit with a mass trauma and turn around times cant be met.

You will take phone calls from referring providers even when you are on vacation.

You will do what has to be done to take care of patients.

This is the difference between a Real Partner and a RadPartner.

You have great group. 
What I have found as a pp group gets larger; more people game the system.
It only takes a few to poison the well. 

 

[Unknown Member]

Agree 100% with Jah4’s post.

[jennycullmann]

Quote from boomer

Quote from jah4

When you own your own business you will always stay late when the list is long. Poor turn around times (and poor reports from anyone) reflect badly upon you. If one of my partners is behind there is a good reason for it. Him spending time with his family is as important as me spending time with mine. I will stay late for him and he will do the same for me.

You will turn on your PACS at home and help clean up studies when needed.

You will log on and help your partner on a Saturday when they get hit with a mass trauma and turn around times cant be met.

You will take phone calls from referring providers even when you are on vacation.

You will do what has to be done to take care of patients.

This is the difference between a Real Partner and a RadPartner.

You have great group. 
What I have found as a pp group gets larger; more people game the system.
It only takes a few to poison the well. 

 
Yes, boom

[katherine.boyd2_320]

Quote from jah4

This is the difference between a Real Partner and a RadPartner.

That and an RVU stoplight on your station [;)]

[rwalmsley_851]

Real Partner vs RadPartner. Well said.

[Jcbacoate]

No argument here, but the problem is that most advertised jobs are for Rad Partner-type practices than Real Partner ones.
 

[suman]

RP is the future of radiology (beside public/private orgs like Kaiser and fully government owned ones like VA). They can get economy of scale. I suspect RP will be moving to full-on equity-less employee model in the future, when the public option hits.

[rwalmsley_851]

ACR jobs have a lot that seem like a real PP job, but then at bottom contact is a RP email. No stoplight in the ad.

[Dr_Cocciolillo]

Just ignore the troll avocado. Best advice can give the new rads.

[Ali.zavareh]

Yes what a sad existence avocado must live.

Im sure as my group grows the harmony will be disrupted at some point.

There are only two things that are forever: lying politicians and herpes.

[jennycullmann]

I enjoy him but at least 30% of his stuff is way out there.