-
Pro-American Education?
What the hell is “pro-American education?
Trump said he would create a national commission to promote a pro-American curriculum that celebrates the truth about our nations great history, which he said would encourage educators to teach students about the miracle of American history.
His argument casts any criticism of the United States, even of slavery, as unpatriotic.
This has become a bedrock of the conservative movement since the 70s that the public schools are secular, that the public schools are liberal or even radical and that the public schools are destroying the fabric of America, Hartman said.
Albert Broussard, a professor at Texas A&M who specializes in Afro-American history and has written history textbooks, viewed Trumps comments less as a serious policy proposal and more as an effort to stoke his base. Broussard believes its a backlash against recent efforts to present a more varied narrative of U.S. history.
-
94 Replies
-
Pretty much the opposite of the Howard Zinn version of history.
-
Its the good kind of education.
-
Best history is the truth
-
Exactly! The good kind. Well said, kpack.
-
Quote from Chirorad84
Best history is the truth
I’m so glad you said that. Would you kindly tell colleges and schools to get rid of Zinn’s book and the 1619 project then? Thanks.-
I never thought I would see this day, such agreement!
-
Make Andragogy Great Again! Especially for Frumi!
-
Don’t worry, he’ll come back and make sure that we know he meant “his truth.”
-
So far empty definitions about pro-American history & what it is.
Dog whistle history?-
Remember we have the Betsy DeVos and Laura Ingraham version of history
In their version lawyers doing medical studies on anti malarial drugs claiming 100% success in truth
And in their version of history the civil war was an honorly fought war by southern gentleman for states rights and opposed to northern aggression
But as we see the truth events comes out despite the ridiculous attempts at spin
Looking forward to Biden undoing all this ridiculous Bull poop
-
I’m waiting for these “pro-Americans” to adopt Randy Newman’s song, “Sail Away” as their theme song without irony.
-
I’m guessing the Trump version is something like ‘Pocahontas, not Elizabeth Warren, wanted to give up their land and walk the trail of tears’
-
Chiro already said it. The pro-American history is the truth. This is best nation that has ever existed and the path we have taken has been filled with some bad things that need to be taught [b]in context[/b] but the good outweighs the bad. No one should be taught that they should hate America, that America is somehow flawed at its core, or that they should have some sort of internal guilt for who they are based upon what people who look like them did in the past.
-
What does that mean as far as teaching is the question. “Pro-American” means exactly what in context? What would a pro-American history teach? Leave out? Alter?
This hating America agenda for history is plain BS. What is being taught that inculcates the hatred of America? Teaching what?
And who is American that this curricula is so worried about?
This sounds like dog whistles in that come people know what Trump is talking about but just can’t seem to explain what it is. -
Pro American history teaches that there is a climate, Frumi, something you deny.
-
Just take a college history class or sit in on your jr high/high school kids history class for a week and you’ll see.
The Left is anti-American in their beliefs and have admitted to wanting to tear down tradition American norms. Teachers and professors are majority left wing. How do you think things will be taught?
-
Your FOS
And Im looking forward to seeing a Biden education secretary dismantle the damage done by Betsy DeVos and the science deniers
-
And what I said above is
The best history is the truth
Making up stuff how black peoples somehow benefited from slavery is not the truth
Ignoring all of Reagans clandestine actions in south and Central America is not the truth
The shah of Iran was not some great person loved by his people
The best history of the truth and the truth usually comes out
-
I’m not sure how anything I said has anything to do with denying science.
I also never recall any history book saying that black people benefited from slavery. That would be the right wing version of history just as the 1619 project is the left wing version.
I also don’t recall ignoring Reagan’s actions but you had to take a modern history course to get into the detail of that since it was a smaller part of his administration and a lot of things have to be left out when you have a year or so to teach 300 years of history.
Can’t comment on the shah of Iran part since I don’t honestly know how that is covered in history class anymore but again, I favor the truth.
I want history to be taught with facts and to eliminate all opinions, bias, and underlying suggestions of malice, racism, etc.
For example, what the early settlers did to the Native Americans was terrible by modern standards and they basically wiped them out. However, in the context of the times, that’s how territory was won and it’s not like the Native Americans weren’t doing the same to each other. Just present all of the facts and people can decide. -
Quote from Cubsfan10
Just take a college history class or sit in on your jr high/high school kids history class for a week and you’ll see.
The Left is anti-American in their beliefs and have admitted to wanting to tear down tradition American norms. Teachers and professors are majority left wing. How do you think things will be taught?
Well that explains your opinion about distrusting what “the Left” teaches not no actual facts about what information is being taught that you object to. “Liberal” professors.
In deja vu of the question about what “Conservative science” is, what is a Conservative curriculum? Even a Center curriculum.
What is a Pro-American curriculum? What would it have in it that that is not being taught now? -
Quote from Frumious
Quote from Cubsfan10
Just take a college history class or sit in on your jr high/high school kids history class for a week and you’ll see.
The Left is anti-American in their beliefs and have admitted to wanting to tear down tradition American norms. Teachers and professors are majority left wing. How do you think things will be taught?
Well that explains your opinion about distrusting what “the Left” teaches not no actual facts about what information is being taught that you object to. “Liberal” professors.
In deja vu of the question about what “Conservative science” is, what is a Conservative curriculum? Even a Center curriculum.
What is a Pro-American curriculum? What would it have in it that that is not being taught now?
I had a history minor in college…I can’t go through all of the examples of the bias I saw. It is the same conversation and it’s about bias just as the Scientific American conversation was. -
Quit lying
Your so FOS
You know nothing about history
-
More of you know what it is but can’t explain?
REgardless if Native Americans were no better than the Europeans, does teaching about things like Trail of Tears and treaties that were broken mean it’s left-wing hating America agenda? Or removing statues commemorating the Lost Cause and its participants as heroes or teaching the Civil War was only about slavery?
What is a Rightist Conservative history agenda that is “pro-American” and patriotic in that context? -
Again…the facts should be taught without bias. The Trail of Tears happened and it should be taught. The Civil War should be taught and the agendas of both the North and South should be taught. The reason why the statues were put up in the first place should be taught. The reasons why people want to remove them now should be taught. I’m asking for a curriculum free of liberal bias.
When I took my history classes, it was always the same. A topic would be taught and facts would be presented, but then the professor would go off on a “yeah, but” statement or try to push his/her agenda into the topic. Such as, the Trail of Tears happened and these are the reasons why. Then, he/she would have us break up into groups and discuss “why was America racist for the trail of tears. As a group, come up with three reasons and paragraphs to explain.”
The presentation of historical facts should be enough. Forcing people into bias is the problem I have. It’s Pro-American when it sticks to facts because America is a great nation.
Calling me FOS and questioning my historical knowledge is weak and you’re better than that (hopefully). -
So what is the Liberal Leftist stuff that’s being taught teaching children to hate America is the question.
Teach the agenda of the South? You mean the war of Northern Aggression? The heroic Lost Cause?
I think that’s called a lie. Why teach children a lie while proposing the problem with education is its Liberal Leftist agenda? -
I’ve already said it multiple times. It’s the bias in the way the facts are being presented. It’s not that there was a Civil War or there was a Trail of Tears but that when those topics are presented, they are through a lens that the US is an inherently racist nation and white people are inherently racist. Students are asked to think about reflect upon those things as if they are somehow guilty.
-
Reminds me of my high school history teacher. He had a thing about communism. How it was really a good and efficient system, how certain countries, where it worked, the population simply couldnt handle making decisions in a democratic fashion. Never mentioned all the dead people.
-
“A teacher” is definitely NOT a description of how all/most teachers and institutions are Leftist teaching a Leftist agenda.
And cub, there is nothing to disagree with in your statement that actual events should be taught as they existed. That als o does not explain how most teachers and institutions are Leftist teaching a Leftist agenda.
Basically since no can explain what a patriotic pro-American school curriculum, the complaint is empty about something that does not exist but some fear even as they can’t describe what they are afraid of outside of “Liberals” and “Leftists,” but don’t know why. -
[link=https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/26/why-public-schools-are-so-likely-to-teach-leftist-propaganda/]https://thefederalist.com…ch-leftist-propaganda/[/link]
There are countless examples, Frumi.
At some point, discussing the horrors of leftism with an avowed leftist and communist like yourself is simply throwing pearls before swine. It’s a waste of time since you do not acknowledge any aspects of history or science that disagree with your pre-existing ideology. -
“A teacher” is definitely NOT a description of how all/most teachers and institutions are Leftist teaching a Leftist agenda.
Sorry the point was lost on you.
-
I think Frumis true work needs to be done outside our borders. People keep trying to immigrate to America, indicating that there is some sort of pro-American education occurring throughout the world.
Frumi needs to go overseas and tell all the folks how racist they are.
I recommend starting with the concentration camps in China….the Muslims there need to be told from a committed lefty how lucky they are to be in the warm embrace of Chairman Xi instead of having to deal with Trumps mean tweets all day.
-
Thats makes no sense
Because China has a precarious history then that makes it ok for us to just make stuff up or sugar coat it
Thats frickin dumb. Just plain ignorantly stupid
-
Exactly! Thats definitely what you should tell all the folks trapped in Chinese concentration camps: theyre getting a skewed and sugarcoated view of American history.
May I buy you a plane ticket there? They need to hear your voice.
-
Are you this irrational at work or all the time?
Ah, it’s all the time. As a reader of The Federalist you are smack dab in the Nut Zone. -
So youre not angry at other countries for making America sound so attractive that they pay off cartel members to get into the country by the tens of thousands?
-
Im stealing Nut Zone btw.
-
Didnt we use to laugh at Russia China the nazis for doing that
What the F do we want to be like them for?
Thats just stupid
-
Make America like a third world dictatorship again
USA USA USA
-
I periodically unblock grinder assuming he might actually have something intelligent to say.
A waste of time. Don’t feed the troll.
Back to blocking the juvenile.
-
Chiro,
When was America a third world dictatorship?
-
Probably when we start lying about our history and making up patriotic alternatives
What the F do you think
-
When we start creating false narratives about our history
Better to learn from the mistakes of history
Sugarcoating Pollyanna type history isnt honest and will turn us into a Russia or an Iraq under sadaam or a North Korea
-
Im just trying to remember the first American dictator.
-
Funny that TRump wants “patriotic” and “pro-American” history to be taught in schools.
The man who was surprised that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.
(March 21, 2017) Great president, Trump said Tuesday night at a fundraising dinner for House Republicans. Most people dont even know he was a Republican. Right? Does anyone know? A lot of people dont know that. We have to build that up a little more.
Trump then suggested using a political action committee to run advertisements letting people know that Lincoln was a member of his party.[size=”0″][/size]
The man who said to Trudeau that Canadians burned down the White House.
(June 6, 2018) Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau held a tense telephone call last month over the U.S. president’s decision to slap Canada with steep tariffs on steel and aluminum.
Trump mentioned the burning of the White House during the War of 1812 during the confrontational May 25 call, [link=https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/06/politics/war-of-1812-donald-trump-justin-trudeau-tariff/index.html]which was first reported by CNN[/link] and confirmed by CBC News.
Trudeau reportedly asked Trump how tariffs could be imposed on Canada on “national security” grounds. Trump reportedly responded: “Didn’t you guys burn down the White House?”
Obviously American education on history and civics requires a lot of work and does need to be improved starting with teaching rigorous civics and history in school again. But it has nothing to do with patriotism or pro-Americanism unless being pro-American and patriotic means getting actually knowing what you are talking about.
MAKA – Making America Knowledgeable Again -
[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/538139-iowa-republicans-seek-to-cut-funding-for-schools-with-1619-project-in]Iowa Republicans seek to cut funding for schools with 1619 Project in curriculum
[/link]
If passed, the bill states that schools would be punished for utilizing any United States history curriculum that in whole or in part is derived from a project by the New York Times, known as the 1619 Project, or any similarly developed curriculum.
The bill accused the Times project of attempting to deny or obfuscate the fundamental principles upon which the United States was founded and stressed that the general assembly has a strong interest in promoting an accurate account of this nations history through public schools and forming young people into knowledgeable and patriotic citizens.
The measure is one of a number of introduced by GOP legislators in a handful of states in recent weeks that is aimed at preventing schools from focusing on the project in their curriculum.
The 1619 Project is an initiative that was launched by The New York Times Magazine [link=https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html]in 2019[/link] that aims to reframe the country’s history by placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of Black Americans at the very center of the United States.
[/QUOTE]
-
[link=https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/535323-biden-rescinds-trumps-1776-commission-a-report]https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/535323-biden-rescinds-trumps-1776-commission-a-report[/link]
[h1]Biden rescinds Trump’s 1776 Commission, a report promoting ‘patriotic education'[/h1]
-
[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/551799-noem-takes-pledge-to-restore-patriotic-education-in-schools?fbclid=IwAR3l0sSkhN1PxaAYG2uWjO7Ukksil7FqAcySqMc1RSKSkgHWuhRIYY6EFYY]https://thehill.com/homen…Mc1RSKSkgHWuhRIYY6EFYY[/link]
Noem takes pledge to restore ‘patriotic education’ in schools[/h1]
Noem, who has been seen as a potential 2024 presidential contender, claimed in a [link=https://twitter.com/KristiNoem/status/1389199260911030275?s=20]series of tweets[/link] on Monday that she recently became the first candidate in the country to sign a vow dubbed The 1776 Pledge to Save Our Schools.
The [link=https://www.1776action.org/candidate-pledge/]pledge promises to take steps[/link] to restore honest, patriotic education that cultivates a profound love for the country in children and bar any curriculum that pits students against one another on the basis of race or sex, among other vows.
Our young people should be taught to view one another not according to race or gender, but as individuals made in the image of God, the pledge states.[/QUOTE]
(1/2) Teaching our children & grandchildren to hate their own country & pitting them against one another on the basis of race or sex is shameful & must be stopped. I'm proud to be the 1st candidate in America to sign 'The 1776 Pledge to Save Our Schools.'
— Kristi Noem (@KristiNoem) May 3, 2021
-
Aren’t public schools supposed to be free from religious teaching.
-
[link=https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/555964-unc-to-reconsider-tenure-for-1619-project-author-after]UNC to reconsider tenure for 1619 Project author after backlash
[b]
[/b][/link][b]The Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist is reportedly considering a lawsuit.[/b]
The University of North Carolina is reportedly reconsidering their decision not to grant Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Nikole Hannah-Jones tenure after [link=https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20792071-nchouse527lit_holdexec_2_]a letter to state lawmakers[/link] revealed that she was considering legal action against the school.
In April, the university announced Hannah-Jones would join her alma mater as the Knight Chair in Race and Investigative Journalism. Despite granting tenure to previous appointees to the position, the board of trustees broke precedent and chose not to do so for Hannah-Jones. Hannah-Joness candidacy for tenure has been resubmitted to the UNC-Chapel Hill Board of Trustees, [link=http://www.ncpolicywatch.com/2021/05/26/breaking-unc-board-of-trustees-could-reconsider-tenure-for-pulitzer-winning-journalist-nikole-hannah-jones/]reported NC Policy Watch[/link], which first broke the story, this week.
The decision, which an unnamed Board of Trustees member [link=http://www.ncpolicywatch.com/2021/05/19/pw-special-report-after-conservative-criticism-unc-backs-down-from-offering-acclaimed-journalist-a-tenured-position/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=6abfb849c8aecd083418896c7bb80e2d434b663b-1621433310-0-AUWKXrnXxfTTEGLpYix0F6Oem7PpeBmK03rkRrVdC5vh-Dmq_9Q9vtTthw2lOcIP6K_8V8zo9Js0E79aHSMNKZsHMVIWGJN8cWFe545elRFwaZzStI2bIJi6hxBQ5tXgXGLYPCnw_HSChjkqrNhWSrfpEbQXoWU3tRdLNRWd_7yNnJJrY_kZp7u862VPeML4LbOSaFKv7XpUWvRNzMdQxtJ089PnwoR4fyCDleRV5Hezckat4gjx3P5a00kxvYaZ9d7uIJ5Fj-6mixII1V0kN5fg3jK3QLXG6cwhlJEPMdxeGOz2QEgxIWUXg1fzYxQ3qD4I3gWotMp71PMkl45zSypTOmirlL8zQgk1PY0FGS8jwvRAsbCyfhSuFrXoVZlWNNRUV2Z22cWt4rbX7UTbHdhlnQ3lG8fsUB7-V48Se1tWseOxP2spGvvDlBceLWv6YExVXQblwZTUeisJrzqcIjNOOiwA_kUkVDx5wRAf_m_08D-vWoaQ5v55aVD8z_SNBMBwwTrkDPqVCgMMyP9ldSy3UZ6d6lBPCX91pFLqShISmX4WSDpzcf_DFmWWUtDEhw]told NC Policy Watch[/link] was due to “politics,” [link=https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/554555-controversy-explodes-at-college-over-pulitzer-winning]received backlash from many[/link], including 1,619 UNC alumni and students, a nod to the award-winning and controversial 1619 Project, who placed a two-page ad in The News & Observer calling for Hannah-Jones to receive tenure. Critics noted that of the 622 tenured full professors at UNC in 2019, federal data shows that just eight were Black women.[/QUOTE]
-
UNC will vote on tenure for Nikol Hannah Jones tomorrow.
-
Really good article
[link=https://digitaledition.orlandosentinel.com/infinity/article_share.aspx?guid=f8f945c3-6f2e-454b-93cc-dadebb98457c]https://digitaledition.or…454b-93cc-dadebb98457c[/link]
-
Republicans are afraid students will get the rhyme in history lessons.
-
“What do[b] radical conservatives [/b]fear in the teaching of history?”
“[b]Radically conservative[/b] politicians want to limit the ability of teachers to talk about structural racism because it may lead their sons and daughters to question the racism still embedded in the U.S. Will they also forbid teaching classes on the rise of 20th-century fascism and totalitarianism because the facts make them too uncomfortable?”
And then the “radical conservatives” become “Republicans” in some people’s mind…
I do not identify Republican so it doesn’t bother me. However, I can certainly understand how this type of labeling could cause consternation, even if the article is “really good”. -
The teaching of CRT is a a guarantee of further generations of poverty for black americans. Accepting the label of oppressed is a dead end street. Black students that excel in school will have every opportunity they could imagine. Colleges and graduate schools will be fighting over you. Blaming failure on systemic racism and oppression will guarantee further failure. Hmm, I wonder if that is the goal of CRT…..
-
I’m pretty sure that’s not what CRT is teaching. At least from the articles I have read. However, I could be wrong because I have not seen anyone answer the question about what exactly is in the curriculum. I have to give credit to those here who have asked to define it before banning it or even shunning it.
There was a good podcast that I think Frumi linked us to. It did a nice job of tackling the thorny issue. I would encourage anyone interested in discussing the topic in a kaffee klasch to educate themselves and listen or read the transcript. I learned a lot. -
Well I have a large circle of very successful black american colleagues in many industries. I sit on boards with many. There are no secrets or shortcuts to their success. Common theme is excelling in education, strong family unit, respect of law. They somehow succeeded without CRT in any curriculum.
-
No you dont
You so FOS
-
Was this you when you went to Russia for your World Cup board retreat?
Is this what you discussed?[link]https://youtu.be/7sGK33uTOpU[/link]
-
I’m so sorry that you grew up poor trash without a successful family unit. I always feel bad about how angry you become at the thought of successful black americans. Must be tough. You seem to be particularly triggered that a black American can be well traveled. I guess there are no successful black americans in your inner circle, so you naively assume we don’t exist. God bless you and your family…..
-
Nice retort for Kpack IR. I have welcomed your comments before and your thoughts have resonated with me more than his. However, I do have to admit that the question about defining CRT and what about it must be banned is a very good one. It would help me to get a good answer so I know how I feel about the direction of my efforts.
-
I never suggested it should be banned. From what I have read there seems to be this notion that American history has not been taught regarding slavery, white supremacy, and oppression. Not sure that is accurate. I certainly learned about this history. Since no one seems to be able to define CRT, can you tell me why this has become newsworthy?
-
Quote from IR_CONSULT
I never suggested it should be banned. From what I have read there seems to be this notion that American history has not been taught regarding slavery, white supremacy, and oppression. Not sure that is accurate. I certainly learned about this history. Since no one seems to be able to define CRT, can you tell me why this has become newsworthy?
OK thank you for that. I too am not sure it is newsworthy. Did you get to hear or read the podcast I was talking about? There are two from the “liberal” side, one black and one white that seem to feel the same way.
And BTW, that was a “good” answer. Not that I have any right to judge…
-
And IR, my efforts here are intended to ensure that posters like you will continue to express opinions and not be dissuaded by the tactics of some here. In my mind that requires being able to answer challenges at times. Even if you don’t have a good answer I still support your message overall.
-
Well thank you, but I honestly don’t understand CRT. From what I have read it seems that CRT is about teaching that whites all have culpability in oppression of black americans. Please educate me…
-
Quote from IR_CONSULT
Well thank you, but I honestly don’t understand CRT. From what I have read it seems that CRT is about teaching that whites all have culpability in oppression of black americans. Please educate me…
I don’t understand it either. I wish I could educate you. I have no idea.
It just happened that some of those that I typically find to use diversionary tactics instead of reasoning had come up with a pretty good argument for why CRT should not cause so much consternation among white americans. I thought it was a good question: “what is the curriculum everyone is so upset about?”
It sounds like you and I see it the same way. Sorry if you felt I was an adversary for a short time. -
Only looking at this one point from IR.
Common theme is excelling in education
I would ask does everyone get the same chance to excel in education? If not who doesnt get the chance and why? Could it have to do with systemic racism?
I agree education is important. If you want to grow good vegetables you need good soil.
-
I think we all agree. I don’t think it’s a big deal. My only concern was whether it propagated the idea that white oppression can prevent black americans from success. I don’t subscribe to that which apparently triggered kpacks typical ignorance. I’m apparently not entitled to my life’s experience as a black American.
-
Quote from IR_CONSULT
I think we all agree. I don’t think it’s a big deal. My only concern was whether it propagated the idea that white oppression can prevent black americans from success. I don’t subscribe to that which apparently triggered kpacks typical ignorance. I’m apparently not entitled to my life’s experience as a black American.
Thanks. The personal experience example is the most persuasive IMO.
Of course around here we are often told what we are thinking and what we experienced. I am hoping those retorts can be ignored and we can facilitate an open discussion going forward. Thanks for participating IR. -
Quote from IR_CONSULT
My only concern was whether it propagated the idea that white oppression can prevent black americans from success.
It was never 100%, but it never has to be. Obviously some Black people were able to succeed even before the Civil War.
Quote from IR_CONSULT
I’m apparently not entitled to my life’s experience as a black American.Obviously you are not silenced from & of your opinion
-
Its about teaching a more complete history, IR. Its about explaining the inequality that does exist, no?
-
I was taught very complete history. Who doesn’t know that inequality exists? There will always be inequality. Inequality today is more economic than racial. You do realize that there is a very large population of poor and poorly educated white Americans. And while kpack doesn’t think it is possible for me to have many successful black colleagues, it is true. And as I said the common theme is refusing to succumb to the excuse of oppression.
-
Obviously you are not silenced from & of your opinion
Well when I expressed my opinion kpack told me I was FOS.
-
Having someone tell you that you are full of sh*t when you say something is not the same thing as being “silenced.”
-
Again I have asked before
What exactly is being taught in this country about critical race theory that offends you and where exactly is it being taught
Ive been searching for this answer for a while
-
Quote from IR_CONSULT
I was taught very complete history. Who doesn’t know that inequality exists? There will always be inequality. Inequality today is more economic than racial. You do realize that there is a very large population of poor and poorly educated white Americans. And while kpack doesn’t think it is possible for me to have many successful black colleagues, it is true. And as I said the common theme is refusing to succumb to the excuse of oppression.
Yeah, the Republicans Southern Strategy never happened & had zero to do with race.
As for poor & the poorly educated white people, thats what Johnsons War On Poverty was about, white people in Appalachia. But after Civil Rights & Voting Rights, the Southern Strategy made it only about helping minorities. As for your excuse of oppression, you are saying the belief that Black people are oppressed is what is keeping so many down & poor?
I think there are too many examples to show thats bunk. Its not imagined.
Now if you mean a poverty & under educated mindset is at play, I will credit that to a degree & give you 2 examples. If youve read Hillbilly Elegy, some of Vances neighbors thought who did he think he was getting educated. & that resentment is 90% of Trumps support. -
Look Im half Puerto Rican so chances are there is some recent African ancestry in me so IR Consult and I can argue all day over who is more black but my point stands
Someone please answer
What exactly is being taught in this country about critical race theory that offends you and where exactly is it being taught
-
Gotta thank the NY Post for providing a link to all the schools teaching scary CRT.
[link=https://nypost.com/2021/02/05/website-tracks-where-critical-race-theory-taught-at-us-schools/]https://nypost.com/2021/02/05/website-tracks-where-critical-race-theory-taught-at-us-schools/[/link]
Turns out, CRT is NOT being taught at local childrens schools but is part of college & university curriculum to be discussed. Exactly where CRT discussion belongs.
All this right-wing hysteria & fear about a university course? -
[link=https://19thnews.org/2021/06/nikole-hannah-jones-unc-tenure-decision/]Tenure granted immediately to Hannah-Jones on a 9-4 vote[/link]
Hannah-Jones next steps were not immediately clear. Attorneys representing the MacArthur Foundation genius grantee and Pulitzer Prize winner [link=http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2021/06/22/pw-exclusive-nikole-hannah-jones-will-not-join-unc-chapel-hill-faculty-without-tenure/#sthash.VljFoMv3.bOvu7Zu3.dpbs]said last week[/link] that she would not join UNCs Hussman School of Journalism and Media as its Knight Chair in Race and Investigative Journalism unless it was with tenure, as professorships funded by the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation traditionally are.
Hannah-Jones lawyers said UNCs initial offer of a five-year contract, not tenure, reflected race and sex discrimination and retaliation as well as viewpoint discrimination in violation of state and federal laws. The latter was a reference to Hannah-Jones work on the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html]1619 Project[/link], a ground-breaking series of essays, poems, graphics and visual art pieces she led at The New York Times Magazine that examined the arrival of the first enslaved Africans to the United States more than 400 years ago.
The UNC boards deferment of Hannah-Jones tenure came over the [link=https://19thnews.org/2021/05/unc-board-to-reexamine-tenure-for-nikole-hannah-jones/]objections of the faculty committee[/link] and amid concerns from a university mega-donor for whom the journalism school is named, the newspaper magnate Walter Hussman, who has [link=https://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2021/06/hussman-concerned-core-values-1619-project]subsequently said publicly[/link] that he was troubled by parts of the 1619 Project.
The fallout from the tussle over Hannah-Jones tenure demonstrates how university boards increasingly receptive to political influence can make it [link=https://19thnews.org/2021/05/unc-board-to-reexamine-tenure-for-nikole-hannah-jones/]more difficult for colleges to recruit[/link] and retain top-tier faculty if they are concerned their scholarship or research, or even their diverse backgrounds, might lead to political backlash. It also illustrates how classrooms, whether at state colleges or in public elementary schools, have become the latest high-profile battlefronts in a partisan war over who gets to have a voice in reexamining and retelling how race and slavery shaped our countrys history. The 1619 Project is at the center of the maelstrom.
-
Republicans spastic in Texas as they are denying admitting and teaching the Alamo & Texicans war with Mexico had anything to do with Mexicos laws against slavery, the very reason Southerners moved to Texas.
[link=https://www.businessinsider.com/texas-gop-event-slavery-alamo-shut-down-2021-7]https://www.businessinsider.com/texas-gop-event-slavery-alamo-shut-down-2021-7[/link]
[link=https://www.texastribune.org/2021/05/10/alamo-renovation-slavery/]https://www.texastribune.org/2021/05/10/alamo-renovation-slavery/[/link] -
[h1][link=https://politicalwire.com/2022/04/14/schools-have-become-the-ultimate-wedge-issue/]Schools Hand Republicans Ultimate Wedge Issue[/link][/h1] Glenn Youngkins (R) victory in last years Virginia gubernatorial race was [link=https://politicalwire.com/2021/11/03/the-democratic-unraveling-began-with-schools/]largely attributed to parents angry about school closures[/link], masking requirements and other restrictive measures intended to slow the spread of illness during the pandemic. But Republicans have drawn something much deeper from that victory and now see that talk of race and sex in schools also deeply divides Americans.
A new [link=https://apnews.com/article/covid-health-only-on-ap-lifestyle-education-dcf725bafd7d6852a9377c9cdeba700d]UChicago Harris/AP-NORC poll[/link] finds half of Americans say both parents and teachers have too little influence on the curriculum in their childrens schools. That includes 65% of Republicans and 38% of Democrats. What started as parental concern about pandemic restrictions has morphed into something much larger with 50% of Americans saying that parents have too little influence on the school curriculum. Its a prime wedge issue for Republicans because nearly four in ten Democrats agree.Of course, its possible that Republicans will overreach with these new state laws. Some of them are truly draconian. But Republicans are betting voters will punish Democrats who overreached during the pandemic by defending and then prolonging virtual learning and mask wearing.
[img]https://1lme911nv0cg3ned26127983-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/AP-poll-schools-sex-race.png[/img]
-
[link=https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgyb4k/ohio-nazi-dissident-homeschool]Vice News
[/link]
[h1]Nazi Homeschool Network Under Investigation[/h1]
They are investigating a group that advocates white supremacist ideologies with the aim to make sure the children they teach become wonderful Nazis.The Department of Education in Ohio is investigating the openly antisemitic and racist Nazi homeschooling group with thousands of members being operated by a couple from Upper Sandusky, Ohio, an official at the department told VICE News.
[color=”#000000″]…[/color]
I don’t know whether religious beliefs are part of why the Lawrences have embraced this fascist ideology. but to the extent that they are, the [Ohio] statutes would expressly protect that type of instruction, Carmen Longoria-Green, a lawyer and board president of the Coalition for Responsible Home Education, told VICE News.
Longoria Green also pointed out that the First Amendment protects the right of parents to talk about neo-Nazi ideology in front of their children.
[/QUOTE]
-
Of course it was Ohio. Just an anecdote. Ive see hitch inserts on vehicles now that I could tell what the logo was. Turns out it was an upside down OK hand sign. So if you see one of those its probably best to stay away from the vehicle owner.
-
Quote from IR_CONSULT
Well I have a large circle of very successful black american colleagues in many industries. I sit on boards with many. There are no secrets or shortcuts to their success. Common theme is excelling in education, strong family unit, respect of law. They somehow succeeded without CRT in any curriculum.
OK. I’m not going to challenge you on that statement the way Kpack did. However, What does the reality of that statement have to do with CRT and what you actually know about the curriculum? Would the teaching of CRT, whatever that is, also teach against “education, strong family unit, respect of law”? Succeeding without it means they would fail with it? -
[link=https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1573088502409043970?s=12]https://twitter.com/ronfi…73088502409043970?s=12[/link]
Ron DeSantis does his own version of fake history:
It was the American Revolution that caused people to question slavery. No one had questioned it before we decided as Americans that we are endowed by our creator with unalienable rights.
Emperor Desantis gives his absurdly false version of how he expects history to be taught: “It was the American Revolution that caused people to question slavery. No one had questioned it before we decided as Americans that we are endowed by our creator with unalienable rights.” pic.twitter.com/Nw8SMmGCUw
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) September 22, 2022
-
Its a terrible to lose ones mind; its a terrible thing to waste an education from Yale & Harvard.
-
Lets not mischaracterize this as stupid
The is the Orwellian kind of rewrite of history that fascist regimes implement
Its immensely dangerous
-
Quote from dergon
Ron DeSantis does his own version of fake history:It was the American Revolution that caused people to question slavery. No one had questioned it before we decided as Americans that we are endowed by our creator with unalienable rights.
Quote from dergon
Lets not mischaracterize this as stupid
The is the Orwellian kind of rewrite of history that fascist regimes implement
Its immensely dangerous
Agree completely. DeSantis is parroting the idea put forth by those opposed to teaching unscrubbed American history, you know, the bad parts that make White Americans feel bad. When I went to school down South my American history class was trying to teach me how slavery was costing the South slaveowners money to care for them and was therefore on the way out; how mistreatment never happened anymore than you would abuse the things you owned – or the family you had, as if slaves were family which some of my classmates actually believed; how the South seceded over Northern aggression and States Rights but never over maintaining slavery. Despite Yale and Harvard, one has to question whether DeSantis might actually believe the dreck he says and dismissing Yale’s & Harvard’s education as just more Liberal inculcation.
I think DeSantis does believe much of the dreck he says. And if he does not, that factoid is really irrelevant under the circumstances. “I am not evil, I just spout evil things.”
I was reading this article on Ken Burns’s, Lynn Novick’s & Sarah Borstein’s new documentary on the US and the Holocaust as it relates to today’s politics this morning. Bear in mind the Nazis learned much from America & our relation/rationales to/for slavery & Jim Crow laws and said so. And some Americans have continued that legacy today disposing of dog whistles for today’s loud and proud brags.
Yes, there are many Republicans who are “good people” supporting that bullhorn called Trump. This clip shows how there were many good people in the 1930’s too.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/c/embed/297b6588-5e43-45c3-8493-d6343689b7c8′]https://www.washingtonpos…5c3-8493-d6343689b7c8[/link]
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/21/ken-burns-holocaust-documentary-critical-race-theory/]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/21/ken-burns-holocaust-documentary-critical-race-theory/[/link]
-
This is the other article/opinion I read this morning relating to the Big Lies the Republicans have been passing for decades now. You could start with Joe McCarthy & move upthe Conservatives opposed to Voting and Civil Rights that continues to today, to Pat Buchanan and Newt Gingrich, bookends to each other, then to Trump and his emulators like DeSantis.
Do they all really believe the dreck they spout? Does it matter in any material or any other way?
It’s all a joke. We Liberals just don’t get “the joke.” you’ve read yourself on these AM Off-Topic threads how it’s all just a joke & we Liberals are just too uptight to be in on it. “Loosen up” we’re told.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/22/opinion/trump-big-lie-big-joke.html?unlocked_article_code=jX_CodntHUV01lnvNHHIc2F96IGD0JNJipw3YQiUB82Ey7CQx6mbmododed9IJsva3KCCgSnNi4UZFgZ21l82pl1E_2pkJXDEWh7wZhDUhqpBraLuaww5FTvKRMBQWGmmvEWIzqA-KYY8IuItp3CwEH4ce0jk3kuPj6kOK4yyb0HptCUdlrs-3Q1_Yv1LV4SbziyJqkTt3Ld_kGI_PTdK_DlPab1Fzqh5uDy99vIb5Y0Ht43ulLO3AsXVksdBitffBV4sXE_MNQoI6ummEzG4UWKSQRLKIO0rmauLMWESzcsJxkdY9Y9SFtFvtRCRuDIHEKXhNXdGs0MGQbBjb9N&smid=share-url]https://www.nytimes.com/2…b9N&smid=share-url[/link]Donald Trumps so-called big lie is not big because of its brazen dishonesty or its widespread influence or its unyielding grip over the Republican Party. It is not even big because of its ambition to delegitimize a presidency, disenfranchise millions of voters, clap back against reality. No, the lie that Donald Trump won the 2020 election has grown so powerful because it is yoked to an older deception, without which it could not survive: the idea that American politics is, in essence, a joke, and that it can be treated as such without consequence.
The big lie depends on the big joke. It was enabled by it. It was enhanced by it. It is sustained by it.
Getting the joke means understanding that nothing you say need be true, that nobody expects it to be true at least nobody in the know. The truth of this scam, or joke, was fully evident inside the club, Leibovich writes. Were all friends here. Everyone knew the secret handshake, spoke the native language, and got the joke.
After all, what was birtherism if not the same lie? Its underlying racism rendered the grotesque theory about Obamas birthplace especially repugnant, but the basic assertion is familiar: that a president whom the American people lawfully chose is not legitimate, is something less than the real thing.
History should not remember the effort to delegitimize Obamas presidency as just another rung on the ladder toward the big lie. The lies are akin even in their power of persuasion. Leibovich recalls how in 2016, 72 percent of Republicans said they believed Trumps lies about Obamas background. This figure is comparable with the 71 percent of Republicans who said in late 2021 that they believed President Biden was not a fully legitimate president. And much as support for the 2020 election lie provides a loyalty test in the Trumpified Republican Party, a willingness to believe the worst of Obama was a near-requirement in the party during his presidency. A testing ground for Republican squishiness was how strongly, and how bitterly, one opposed Obama, the historian Nicole Hemmer recalls in her new book
[b]Practitioners of politics could easily dismiss moralistic or technical concerns just by throwing down their trump card: Its all part of the Game, Miller writes. He has a nickname for the comrades so immersed in the game that they are oblivious to its consequences: the LOL Nothing Matters Republicans. The LOLNMRs had decided that if someone like Trump could win, then everything that everyone does in politics is meaningless.[/b]
[b]The big lie thrives on LOL Nothing Matters.[/b]
Political debate has become so degraded that it includes every kind of offense, be it anonymous officials humoring the former president, QAnon conspiracists exalting him or frenzied die-hards perpetrating violence on his behalf. Together, the big joke and the big lie have turned the nations political life into a dark comedy, one staged for the benefit of aggrieved supporters who, imagining that the performance is real and acting on that belief, become its only punchline.
-
Quote from dergon
[link=https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1573088502409043970?s=12]https://twitter.com/ronfi…73088502409043970?s=12[/link]
Ron DeSantis does his own version of fake history:
It was the American Revolution that caused people to question slavery. No one had questioned it before we decided as Americans that we are endowed by our creator with unalienable rights.
Also Ronnie D. Don’t indoctrinate the kids.Emperor Desantis gives his absurdly false version of how he expects history to be taught: “It was the American Revolution that caused people to question slavery. No one had questioned it before we decided as Americans that we are endowed by our creator with unalienable rights.” pic.twitter.com/Nw8SMmGCUw
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) September 22, 2022
-
Teachers leaving their jobs. Dissatisfaction, abuse, disrespect, low pay, you name it.
[link=https://richmond.com/news/local/education/a-way-of-protest-unsatisfied-richmond-area-teachers-leaving-in-droves/article_00a916a2-289b-5fec-9192-3b11b15ef80e.html]https://richmond.com/news/local/education/a-way-of-protest-unsatisfied-richmond-area-teachers-leaving-in-droves/article_00a916a2-289b-5fec-9192-3b11b15ef80e.html[/link]In June, 90 teachers across the [link=https://henricoschools.us/]Henrico school district[/link] resigned, the largest number of resignations the district has seen in the month of June the end of the school year in the past five years.
To measure the level of teachers leaving the profession in Virginia, the Richmond Times-Dispatch sent public records requests to each of the states 132 public school systems regarding teacher resignations submitted in the month of June from 2018 to 2022 and analyzed personnel items from school board meeting documents.
Those records paint a picture of public school systems across the state struggling with teacher retention. In Fairfax County, the states largest school district, 3,374 teachers resigned collectively in the last five Junes, the most of any district that responded to The Times-Dispatchs requests. Loudoun County, the states third-largest school district, was next with 1,713 June resignations, followed by Newport News with 749.
Chesterfield County had the most resignations in the Richmond area, with 538 teachers leaving their positions in the past five Junes, followed by 363 in Henrico County, 333 in Richmond and 131 in Hanover County.
[link=https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/teacher-resignations-drive-teacher-shortage-in-san-antonio/]https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/teacher-resignations-drive-teacher-shortage-in-san-antonio/[/link]
One of the reasons San Antonio is struggling to find enough teachers this school year is that many districts saw a spike in resignations at the end of last school year. Districts struggled to fill all of their vacancies last fall, but this year they have even more vacancies.
North East isnt the only district that had such unusually high turnover. According to a TPR analysis of data from a dozen San Antonio school districts, 56% more teachers quit this summer than they did the year before. That left San Antonio schools with more than a thousand more vacancies to fill this summer.
Why? Its no secret that teacher morale is low.
Billy Cano quit teaching this year nine weeks into the school year. He was a 12-year veteran at Krueger Middle School, also at North East ISD.
The mistake I made was that I knew. I knew I was done last year, and I should have never signed the contract for this year, said Cano. Your teachers are not OK. They need help. They need support, be it financial, emotional your teachers are not OK.
Cano is an instructional coach and a department chair for English and Language Arts. In a normal year, he said he would at most teach two classes so that he has time to support other teachers. But this year his department had three vacancies and he was teaching five classes. -
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/18/opinion/teachers-quitting-education-crisis.html?unlocked_article_code=3rUJMQX8dkJ2yIuh76vGmCJ_f9Fadql-oITIvX_C2BauPmMoY0uTzWupHGnK8BjSRHYCCfwXW7D6mzv6GMdYHxOH9pn2pl6FXjfDKtyNQTdIVeiNrzRAQxoN-ioiySax9cso_rfw7lKqIp4Ss_J_mUp8Zoa6YiVhi_8gLPfH4w_doicFElr67PVepKTjEIXel3OGyW-lAfuOsoezJyqWNjomwwLFtPC1E3pVEt1jdFzFG1labUTzM6-fHU94lw6FG0KlkS7lkBYnsL5VTb1crBzecDq5z1RP1ED6d4wyxy6PlngFPzC2t-yMWNssqvnC92IQ3ouVstAa60ytEWwVIzLXAQHG0D4N-1P6&smid=share-url]https://www.nytimes.com/2…1P6&smid=share-url[/link]
A [link=https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-change/new-from-nea/survey-alarming-number-educators-may-soon-leave-profession]survey[/link] of National Education Association members at the beginning of the year revealed an unsettling truth: More than half of the respondents said they were looking for a way out. Thats an astounding number of unhappy teachers. If they all quit, it would leave millions of students in the lurch.
Across the country, teachers are walking out en masse. Empty slots for jobs from teacher to bus driver and custodian arent being filled, and schools are scrambling to find substitutes.
Those who stay are sacrificing preparation time to cover classes, taking on extra students and extra tasks. We heard of vice principals doing yard work, counselors on lunch duty, teachers mopping floors. Its an exhausting and destructive spiral. As people burn out and leave, conditions worsen for those who stay.
In this video, we argue that the nations politicians, whove neglected and underfunded education for years, and [b]scored cheap political points vilifying teachers[/b], have condemned a generation of young Americans to disrupted learning and empty classrooms, and left them with the feeling that nobody really cares. -
You are a marketers dream. That is one compelling video.
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
[h3][link=https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/desantis-florida-trump-education-politics.html]The Republican Takeover of American Education[/link][/h3]
[h1]Indoctrination Nation[/h1] [h2]Convinced schools are brainwashing kids to be left-wingers, conservatives are seizing control of the American classroom.[/h2]
[link=https://nymag.com/tags/education/]Education[/link] has become an obsession on the political right, which now sees it as the central battlefield upon which this countrys future will be settled. Schoolhouses are being conscripted into a cataclysmic war in which no compromise is possible in which a child in a red state will be discouraged from asking questions about sexual identity, or a professor will be barred from exploring the ways in which white supremacy has shaped America today, or a trans athlete will be prohibited from playing sports.
…
[color=”#000000″]What sets the current movement apart from these previous {Republican} efforts {at education reform} is not merely its greater intensity but its focus. Academic-achievement levels are incidental to Republicans concern. Their main preoccupation is not the ways in which Chinese and Swedish kids may be outpacing their American counterparts. They are instead accusing schools of carrying out an insidious indoctrination campaign that, they believe, poses an existential threat to their partys future and their way of life.
…..
[/color]
[b]The Republican Party[/b] emerged from the Trump era deeply embittered. A large share of the party believed that Democrats had stolen their way back into power. But this sentiment took another form that was not as absurd or, at least, not as clearly disprovable. The theory was that Republicans were subverted by a vast institutional conspiracy. Left-wing beliefs had taken hold among elite institutions: the media, the bureaucracy, corporations, and, especially, schools.
This theory maintains that this invisible progressive network makes successful Republican government impossible. Because the enemy permanently controls the cultural high ground, Republicans lose even when they win. Their only recourse is to seize back these nonelected institutions.
[/QUOTE]
-
[h3][link=https://www.axios.com/2023/08/06/florida-classical-exam-desantis-christian-conservative-sat-act#:~:text=Florida%20could%20become%20the%20first,ACT%20for%20public%20college%20admissions.]Florida eyes “classical” education agenda [/link][/h3]
Florida could become the first state to offer a conservative-backed “[link=https://charlotte.axios.com/106187/charlotte-charter-school-boom-shows-no-signs-slowing/]classical[/link]” exam in lieu of the SAT and ACT for public college admissions.
The [link=https://www.cltexam.com/]classical education[/link] model not to be confused with “classics” or “classical humanities” [link=https://www.miamiherald.com/article272536148.html]focuses on[/link] a return to “core values” and the “centrality of the Western tradition.” It’s gained recent momentum in Florida charter schools and private Christian schools.
The Classical Learning Test launched in 2015 and is used by [link=https://info.cltexam.com/classicalconversations]homeschooling families and co-op groups[/link], according to its website. Over [link=https://www.cltexam.com/colleges/]200 colleges and universities[/link], many religious, accept its scores.[/QUOTE]
