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Peurto Rico and Washington DC statehood
It’s mentioned in a couple of other threads, but I figure it could use its own:
The Political Implications of D.C./Puerto Rico Statehood[/h1] Good article … I’ll link the bullet points[link=https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/statehood-for-washington-d-c-and-puerto-rico-background-and-political-implications/]https://centerforpolitics…olitical-implications/[/link]
[h3][b]KEY POINTS FROM THIS ARTICLE[/b][/h3] In the upcoming 2020 elections, if Joe Biden defeats Donald Trump, and if the Democrats win control of the Senate and maintain control of the U.S. House, statehood for the District of Columbia and for Puerto Rico is a real possibility.
On June 26, 2020, the U.S. House voted 232-180 to establish Washington, D.C., the nations capital, as the 51st state.
A referendum for P.R. statehood will be held in Puerto Rico on Nov. 3, 2020. If the referendum favors statehood, and if Puerto Rico submits a petition for statehood, and if Biden beats Trump, and if the Democrats win control of the Senate, then there is a chance that the House and Senate will pass a resolution authorizing statehood.
Statehood will result in four new senators, two each for the District and for Puerto Rico. Three or perhaps even all four will likely be Democrats.
Statehood will result in the District receiving one seat in the House and Puerto Rico receiving four seats. The size of the U.S. House likely would remain at 435.
Therefore, five states could each receive one less House seat in the 2020 apportionment: New York, Florida, Texas, Montana, and Illinois.
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DC as a state is a purely partisan move and I just can’t support it in any way. It’s not meant to be a state, people know that when they move there, and it’s an extremely partisan government-run district. Not to mention it’s small and basically a city. Why not make Chicago a state? Or NYC? Why stop at DC? The two things in my opinion for DC should be either 1. stay as it is now or 2. infold it into Maryland or Virginia. I’ve still yet to hear the reason why DC needs to be its own state.
PR is a different matter. Even though it is also a partisan move, PR has a much better “claim” to becoming a state and their process mirrors the process of previous state entries. If they vote to become a state then their bid should be taken seriously, debated, and given stipulations for entry just as previous states have had in the past.-
PR governor endorses Trump.
[link=https://www.foxnews.com/politics/puerto-rico-gov-wanda-vazquez-garced-endorses-trump-re-election-bid]https://www.foxnews.com/p…-trump-re-election-bid[/link]
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I hope that Trump’s refusal to come to the aid of DC Capitol police when they requested the national guard will further bolster the movement toward DC statehood.
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They can just join Maryland. Problem solved.
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They can just join Maryland. Problem solved.
During AFIP kinda felt like it was part of Maryland.-
If DC shouldnt be a state, why should Wyoming be one?
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If DC shouldnt be a state, why should Wyoming be one?
Why should any of them be states? Nonsensical.
[link]http://www.wyo.gov/about-wyoming/wyoming-history[/link]
Still no answer on why DC can’t just join Maryland.
I love how every time there’s a real question you all dodge it like Biden.
If you want to be partisan hacks then fine but at least admit it.-
I want to be a partisan hack
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You big mad
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Not mad at all. Was just hoping the “other side” would answer questions. I will answer anything.
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Well, the constitution allows territories to apply for statehood, which dc has voted for. Thats literally the only pre requisite before a majority vote in both chambers of congress.
So, do you have a problem with it, or do you not support the constitution?
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Well, the constitution allows territories to apply for statehood, which dc has voted for. Thats literally the only pre requisite before a majority vote in both chambers of congress.
So, do you have a problem with it, or do you not support the constitution?
His problem is primarily a concern over increased representation by Democrats
(and I freely admit that there is a significant measure of this in the Democrat drive for statehood… but in this instance, the constitutional thing to do happens to align with what is good for Dems-
Im sure he was equally bothered with the GOP Congress handling is SCOTUS seats
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Im sure he was equally bothered with the GOP Congress handling of SCOTUS seats
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I have a problem with city-sized federal districts purposely set aside by the founders wanting to be a state for partisan political gain. No one forces them to live there. The whole point of DC was for it to be separate. No one imagined it would become this 90+% partisan thing.
If they truly only want representation then they can re-join Virginia or Maryland. If not, its a naked partisan power grab attempt.
PR is different and they should be allowed to decide and admitted as a state if they vote for it and meet minimum standards other states meet.
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Well the constitution doesnt care about your arbitrary argument that its small size should prevent it from becoming a state
Nobody forces you to live in this country if you dont want to abide by its laws
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Well the constitution doesnt care about your arbitrary argument about size
Nobody forces you to live in this country if you are unhappy if its laws are followed
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Those comments are so off-base, I don’t even know what to say.
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you have nothing to say because you have no actual retort other than your irrelevant personal opinions
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I’m not feeding the troll today.
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You: Why should dc be a state
Me: Explains how achieving statehood is written in the constitution
You: Yea but I dont think it should because of my opinion
Me: ok. Thats irrelevant
You: YoUrE a TrOlL!
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Its lack of statehood is in the Constitution and the reasoning is outlined in the Federalist papers.
DC is a federal district, not a territory like PR.
If DC wanted to be a state then the logical solution would be to revert back to what it was initially – pieces of Maryland and Virginia. It’s unclear if it would even be allowed because of the above.
There’s no reason for DC to be an independent state on it’s own except for partisan gain.
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How and where is the Constitution a bar to D.C statehood? What Article? What Amendment? It’s not in Preamble.
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Funny, you see no problem denying nearly a million Americans equal suffrage because of their political ideology….
The only parts of DC that cant legally be a state are the parts nobody live in
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There is no bar to DC becoming a state or even joining a state except politics. But The Federalist’s point was that a Federal District would be under it’s mother states’ laws, a possible conflict, not a bar. DC should be its own state, not join Maryland.
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They can just join Maryland. Problem solved.
Yep. Retrocession. Just like Arlington county in VA. The place has the size of a county and 1/2 of it is federal property to start with. Handing it back to MD is the way to go.-
[link=https://fortune.com/2021/01/12/dc-statehood-arguments-capitol-attack-riot-trump-supporters-inauguration-violence/]https://fortune.com/2021/…inauguration-violence/[/link]
[b]Arguments for D.C. statehood grow stronger following Capitol attack and plans for inauguration violence[/b][/h1]
We must get statehood on the Presidents desk within the first 100 days of the 117th Congress, Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser said on Thursday during a press conference. Congress must immediately transfer command of the District of Columbia National Guard from the President of the United States and put it squarely under the command and control of the District of Columbia.
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Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, who is set to become Senate majority leader once Biden is sworn in, issued his support for D.C. statehood this past summer. “As one of my top priorities when it comes to voting rights and democracy reform, I will keep working in the Senate to secure statehood, full voting rights, and full home rule, for D.C. in this Congress and beyond,” he said in a statement.
As for Biden, he simply [link=https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1276285377595281408]tweeted[/link] in June: “DC should be a state. Pass it on.”
Following the meager police response to the Capitol riot, Norton said she believes statehood is now “in sight.”
“We have upped the ante, I think, with what happened here in the Capitol,” she [link=https://www.insider.com/capitol-violence-might-have-put-dc-statehood-in-sight-2021-1]told Insider[/link] on Friday.
Asked how she would have responded to the riot had she been a governor instead of a mayor, Bowser said, We would not be restricted in any way for how to deploy the Guard, so we wouldnt have to clear a deployment plan with the secretary of the Army.
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They can just join Maryland. Problem solved.
Yep. Retrocession. Just like Arlington county in VA. The place has the size of a county and 1/2 of it is federal property to start with. Handing it back to MD is the way to go.
Honestly, from a practical / technical standpoint that would be a fine solution.
If the politics play that the people of DC want that and the people of MA/ VA want that then fine.
I also have no problem with the Democrats who dominate all of those communities playing political hardball to push through statehood and re-balance the Senate a bit.
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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/bowser-advocates-make-the-case-for-dc-statehood-at-house-committee-hearing/2021/03/22/bc093652-89e5-11eb-bfdf-4d36dab83a6d_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…d36dab83a6d_story.html[/link]
house committee hearing on DC statehood today
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It should just become Columbia Co, MD. Do away with all the duplicated state-like administration features. Ms Bowser becomes county executive. It may bump MD above the threshold to get another seat in congress, at that point there should be a mathematically defined redistricting with a statutory requirement for districts to be compact. Do away with this democrat created abomination:
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[link=https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/20/biden-administration-backs-dc-statehood-urges-swift-action-as-house-prepares-to-vote-on-bill.html]Biden administration backs D.C. statehood, urges ‘swift’ action as House prepares to vote on bill[/link]
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[link=https://www.vox.com/2021/4/22/22387228/dc-statehood-filibuster-house-senate-congress]The fight for DC statehood gets its best chance yet[/link]
This week, proponents of statehood will likely get one step closer to their best chance to changing that reality. On Thursday, the House of Representatives will vote on whether to make DC the nations 51st state. The vote comes just days after the White House put out an official statement of support for the bill, arguing for far too long, the more than 700,000 people of Washington, D.C. have been deprived of full representation in the U.S. Congress.
This is not the first time statehood has made it to the House floor. Just last year, House Democrats voted 232-180 in favor of statehood, making it the first time in the nations history that either house of Congress approved legislation granting full statehood and congressional representation to the District, Voxs Ian Millhiser [link=https://www.vox.com/2020/6/22/21293168/dc-statehood-vote-filibuster-supreme-court-joe-biden]reported at the time[/link].
But, the best chance yet still isnt much of one: The bill like last time is likely to join countless others languishing under the might of the Senate filibuster.
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I had saw some GOP speaker talking about how they wouldn’t even get a congressman. They have more population than 2 or 3 states.
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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/10/04/supreme-court-dc-congress-vote/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_local]Washington Post
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[b]Supreme Court agrees D.C. not entitled to congressional voting representation[/b][/h1]The Supreme Court on Monday affirmed an earlier ruling that D.C. is not constitutionally entitled to voting representation in Congress, deflating hopes among some advocates that they could secure representation for District residents through the courts rather than through legislation.
The ruling has little bearing on the ongoing fight for D.C. statehood, however, and does not preclude Congress from passing a law that would grant the District a vote in the national legislature. The ruling only affirms the finding, by a three-judge panel made up of federal judges in D.C., that Congress is not constitutionally required to do so.
Exasperated by Congresss inaction on the issue, a group of D.C. residents had sued the Trump administration and congressional leadership in 2018, arguing that Congresss failure to give federal voting rights to the capital city amounted to an equal protection violation and a violation of the First Amendment, among other things.
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[link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2022%2F12%2F15%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Fhouse-puerto-rican-statehood.html]New York Times[/link]
House just passed statehood for PR. (Going nowhere in the Senate)
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