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Pete Buttigieg
Having a big jump in the polls. Raised a ton of money this quarter …. enough to make the debate stage.
Seems very reasonable and competent. War vet.
From the liberal side of my social media he is [b]blowing up[/b].
And I’m hearing a surprising amount of nice things from Republicans. (Although I’m not sure if that’s honest or strategic.)
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I heard him today described as the equivalent for Republicans as Kasich is for Dems… a guy who seems reasonable and likeable enough but who is actually quite liberal/conservative on policy. -
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I love sanders leading fundraising. Ya let’s elect a guy who is going to be 80 when he takes office. Hilarious
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Go Pete Go if dems are smart they will get behind him. If you have seen him speak I would say it’s honest not strategic.
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Of course progressives like a guy with that name
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Of course progressives like a guy with that name
Sound and reasonable argument, expected.
I’ve donated to him, and he’s got my vote in the primary, and hopefully, the general.
After Donald’s diatribe about “oranges” yesterday, I’m not sure he’ll even be on the ballot. He’s lost it.-
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Of course progressives like a guy with that name
Sound and reasonable argument, expected.
I’ve donated to him, and he’s got my vote in the primary, and hopefully, the general.
After Donald’s diatribe about “oranges” yesterday, I’m not sure he’ll even be on the ballot. He’s lost it.
Of course it was a joke.
Now Trump won’t be on the ballot. And you said that seriously, yet you make fun of me? LOL, how many times do you guys have to be wrong before you reconsider … anything???-
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Of course progressives like a guy with that name
Sound and reasonable argument, expected.
I’ve donated to him, and he’s got my vote in the primary, and hopefully, the general.
After Donald’s diatribe about “oranges” yesterday, I’m not sure he’ll even be on the ballot. He’s lost it.
Of course it was a joke.
Now Trump won’t be on the ballot. And you said that seriously, yet you make fun of me? LOL, how many times do you guys have to be wrong before you reconsider … anything???
Trump has never been anything more than a “useful idiot” to the Republican Party. No one can deny that. Not even Trump himself. The Turtle, who has rapidly become perhaps the most despised politician in the history of this country realized this during the primary season, and utilized it to his advantage. McConnell and Trump both owe their Corporate Overlords and Russian Masters; this cannot be denied either, by anyone who has normal thought processes.
Personally, I think Trump will do everything he can to be on the ballot, and win; he knows that he’s probably leaving the White House in handcuffs. Anyone who has kept abreast of the information coming out of the SDNY knows that. Thinking people, anyway. However, the facts remain that he’s in his 70’s, is not well, has been seen on camera many, many times at world events wandering around in a daze, struggles to connect coherent sentences, has never in his life been able to talk without unnecessary use of adverbs and adjectives, and is mostly a chronic user and addicted to Schedule II amphetamines.
He’ll probably win, as well. It was damn hard to beat an incumbent before Citizens United, and that abortion of a SCOTUS ruling makes it virtually impossible. Anybody who can interpret trends and extrapolate data knows that the era of the Republican party is coming to an end, and rightly so; most take little solace in the ultimate irony that it will be Trump who brings them down, for too much damage has been done since November 2016.
But, at least the people worth nine figures and more are now able to deduct repair and maintenance costs on their private jets, the Turtle saw to that. So, we’ve got that going for us, which is nice.
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Bringing down the Republican Party was always one of cigars/fartiblartfasts primary hopes.
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Bringing down the Republican Party was always one of cigars/fartiblartfasts primary hopes.
Exactly. In that, he mirrors a non-insignificant percentage of the Republican party. Personally, I think it started with Newt Gingrich and his politics of division, and the Tea Party. The evangelicals and the teahadists don’t even make sense anymore. Idiots like Paul Ryan and McConnell realize the value divisive politics. What was it LBJ said? “If you can get somebody to look down on somebody else, he won’t begrudge paying taxes. Hell, give him someone to hate and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” Something like that, don’t have time to look it up. That is EXACTLY what Trump et. al. are doing.
I despise McConnell and think he’s one of the biggest snakes to ever infest DC, but it cannot be denied that he is a master politician. Of course that isn’t really a compliment anymore; in the days of Tip O’Neill it was the ultimate compliment.
I’d really, really like to know what went on in Mitch’s office when Rupert Murdoch paid a visit a few months ago. Several of Fox’ Twitter accounts went silent virtually at the same time.-
Nothing you write i even slightly disagree with except I think the problem started with Reagan saying, “Government IS the problem!” Although you could push that further back with Nixon’s southern Strategy, a plan built entirely on racism and race hatred. Lyndon Johnson had said with the signing of the Voting Rights Act that with that signing the South just moved into the Republican Party for the next 2 generations, at least.
Here’s an article you might find interesting about Brexit but refers to the animus of voters to just tears everything down. It shares a lot with the animus of the Trump supporters with their sour look at everything especially their victimhood. One wonders if they really want things built up anew or just want to see it all burn down. They imagine some idyllic new world. Probably with unicorns.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/world/europe/brexit-theresa-may-democracy-chaos.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…y-democracy-chaos.html[/link]
If you ask British voters what sort of plan for leaving the European Union they support, you tend to get hesitant, vague answers.
But ask them what they oppose and you hear forceful clarity. No to Prime Minister Theresa Mays deal. No to leaving the European Union without a deal. No to remoaners, as tabloids call those who want to stay in the bloc.
No to Ms. May herself, whose approval ratings are [link=https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/support-may-falls-again-she-still-seen-more-prime-ministerial-alternatives]deeply negative[/link]. No to her rival and leader of the Labour party, Jeremy Corbyn, whose poll numbers are even worse.
British politicians turn out to have a similar problem making any choice at all. On Wednesday, lawmakers said they would seize control of Brexit by holding votes on eight different ways forward then voted them all down.
Like the electorate, Parliament turned out to oppose everything. The result is chaos and drift.
There is more than indecision or gridlock at play here. Britains breakdown, though particularly acute, represents a much wider phenomenon.
Across Western democracies, politics are increasingly defined by opposition opposition to the status quo, to the establishment and to ones partisan rivals.
People have always organized more easily around what theyre against than what theyre for, but this is different. Politics have grown viscerally tribal and voters instinctively destructive.
The trend is captured best by Frances Yellow Vest protesters, who can agree only on their anger at their status quo and distrust of institutions. Their tear-it-all-down ethos has left them, despite their impressive power to mobilize, politically inchoate.
Think I’m going to open a fiddle shop & get rich.
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Leaving the white house in handcuffs? Again the delusion is impressive.
Whacko extremists. You’re so far off one end of the spectrum you think you’re moderate
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Bringing down the Republican Party was always one of cigars/fartiblartfasts primary hopes.
Exactly. In that, he mirrors a non-insignificant percentage of the Republican party. Personally, I think it started with Newt Gingrich and his politics of division, and the Tea Party. The evangelicals and the teahadists don’t even make sense anymore. Idiots like Paul Ryan and McConnell realize the value divisive politics. What was it LBJ said? “If you can get somebody to look down on somebody else, he won’t begrudge paying taxes. Hell, give him someone to hate and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” Something like that, don’t have time to look it up. That is EXACTLY what Trump et. al. are doing.
I despise McConnell and think he’s one of the biggest snakes to ever infest DC, but it cannot be denied that he is a master politician. Of course that isn’t really a compliment anymore; in the days of Tip O’Neill it was the ultimate compliment.
I’d really, really like to know what went on in Mitch’s office when Rupert Murdoch paid a visit a few months ago. Several of Fox’ Twitter accounts went silent virtually at the same time.
To analyze someone you first have to understand their point of view, or at least quote or characterize them accurately. Of course, Frumious is offmark and so are you. Newt Gingrich started “division politics”? Do you know anything about identity politics and who started that?
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Pete Buttagieg came from a midwest town from a middle class upbringing, son of teachers and an immigrant, graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard, was a Rhode scholar, served in Afghanistan, served for 7 years so far as mayor of the town he grew up in, speaks 8 languages, is a concert pianist, answers questions without dodging them, speaks logically, is compassionate and down to earth. When he wanted to read a book that was in Norwegian and hadn’t been translated into English, he learned Norwegian just to read the book. He has intellectual muscle is an exciting and convincing candidate.
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Sounds way too high caliber for the low-brow American population – the ignorant social media-educated trash that elected bottom-of-the-barrel sewer scum in 2016.
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With the recent adventure, I doubt voters are itching for another outsider with 0 DC experience.
The fact that he is even a contender illustrates how leaderless the Democratic party is at this point. He sounds like he has potential, but so far his experience is limited on keeping the potholes patched in a small town along the Indiana toll road. The party hasn’t brought up anyone into leadership positions where they could get some experience and exposure. If that happens, you end up with a ‘free for all’ primary like the republicans did last time around. Someone should have told the old bat and her aging side-kick that while they may be perfectly qualified for the house leadership, its time for someone new to get his face on TV.
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“Leaderless” as opposed to Trump providing leadership.
The list is pretty decent of people elected to the Presidency who had no prior Federal office experience. The problem is not with electing these people, the problem is the Republican Party electing an idiot and charlatan like Trump which probably is attached to their anti-intellectualism and anti-science and all other anti-everything attitudes. The problem is their supporting their kakistocracy in Trump.
So far Buttigieg does not look like he is the leading advocate for furthering the kakistocracy. First problem for Trumpets is that he is intelligent and apparently capable. A definite disqualifier. Also no stories about being a manly man grabbing women by private parts. -
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With the recent adventure, I doubt voters are itching for another outsider with 0 DC experience.
As Frumious stated, there have been many successful presidents with no prior experience in the beltway.
Besides, didn’t many people vote for Trump because he was not a Washington insider?
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As Frumious stated, there have been many successful presidents with no prior experience in the beltway.
I really dont care all that much what she says. Much of it made up on the spot.
Besides, didn’t many people vote for Trump because he was not a Washington insider?
See where that got us.
Third, you can argue that a mayor of a town with many problems has had more relevant and useful governing experience than most of the people in Congress.
Sure, but when Rick Perry and Sarah Palin were applying for the job, nothing they did would count as relevant experience. Governing a city is an administrative job. Keep the roads paved, the city police paid and kiss some babies along the way. He may be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but when it comes to managing 2million federal employees, 15 cabinet secretaries and the internal and external security of the country, the experience of a mayor contributes very little.
That reminds me. The ‘know nothing Rick Perry’ has managed to run DOE for the past 3 years and we have yet to see a powerplant or nuclear warhead explode. No travel scandals or gold plated office doors either. -
Whats with you and cigar, fw? You two share an apparent misogyny. Your biggest insults are consistent in trying to dismiss people and arguments by calling those you cant argue against as she. Are your balls that small that women scare you 2 that much?
No, I didnt just make this up, fw. Ive been aware of your sensitive masculinity since you bragged to me about your hobby of playing with sharp weapons some time ago.
This adolescent worship of masculinity seems to be a major point of Trump worship.
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A power plant explode???
Nice that you set such a high bar for stupid Trump appointees, fw. The idiot did not know his department was in charge of nuclear stockpiles & plants. He thought his department was in charge of lightbulbs. Tungsten or fluorescent or LEDs anyone?
Maybe you should hire Perry, but im Sure hed be over qualified since no surprise nuclear accidents have happened on his watch. Yet.
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Buttigieg impressing me more with each passing day.
The Jerusalem Post reported:
Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, who is a dark horse in the Democratic presidential stakes, chided Netanyahu for saying he would annex parts of the West Bank if he is reelected.
This provocation is harmful to Israeli, Palestinian, and American interests, Buttigieg said Saturday on Twitter, attaching a Haaretz news article reporting Netanyahus pledge, made in a TV interview.
Supporting Israel does not have to mean agreeing with Netanyahus politics, Buttigieg said. I dont. This calls for a president willing to counsel our ally against abandoning a two-state solution.
Buttigieg, who last year visited Israel with the American Jewish Committees Project Interchange, has so far mounted a surprisingly effective campaign, raising $7 million in his first quarter and surpassing the 65,000 donor minimum to participate in the partys presidential candidate debates.
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Whats with you and cigar, fw? You two share an apparent misogyny. Your biggest insults are consistent in trying to dismiss people and arguments by calling those you cant argue against as she. Are your balls that small that women scare you 2 that much?
No, I didnt just make this up, fw. Ive been aware of your sensitive masculinity since you bragged to me about your hobby of playing with sharp weapons some time ago.
This adolescent worship of masculinity seems to be a major point of Trump worship.
Very bizarre post. Into the archives it goes.
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Newt Gingrich started “division politics”? Do you know anything about identity politics and who started that?
Apparently you can’t even answer your own question. Proudly carrying ignorance like a chip on your shoulder, Trumpets march on!
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Leaving the white house in handcuffs? Again the delusion is impressive.
Whacko extremists. You’re so far off one end of the spectrum you think you’re moderate
You can’t make their idiocy or delusion up. Truly an amazing thing to see all of this lefty horsecrap and mental insanity in one thread after another. Pathetic how NPC this stuff is. What’s best about it is that
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Pete Buttigieg filled NE University auditorium. Refreshing – asked about free college tuition he was straight up honest with the audience at the university..
[i]Another highlight, a very tough question to answer, whether or not college tuition should be waived.[/i]
[i]I know its not the most popular answer but hopefully it can be viewed as a reasonable one, he answered. The mayor went on to say expecting people to pay zero may exceed what is reasonable. (CBS News)[/i]-
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[link=http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/is-pete-buttigieg-a-transformational-candidate.html]Andrew Sullivan[/link]:The Perfect Foil to Trump[/b]
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Trump would be the oldest president in history at 74; Buttigieg would be the youngest at 39. Trump landed in politics via his money and celebrity after years in the limelight; Buttigieg is the mayor of a midsize midwestern town, unknown until a few weeks ago. Trump is a pathological, malevolent narcissist from New York, breaking all sorts of norms. Buttigieg is a modest, reasonable pragmatist, and a near parody of normality. Trump thrives on a retro heterosexual persona; Buttigieg appears to be a rather conservative, married homosexual. Trump is a coward and draft dodger; Buttigieg served his country. Trump does not read; Buttigieg does. Trumps genius is demonic demagoguery. Buttigiegs gig is careful reasoning. Trump is a pagan; Buttigieg is a Christian. Trump vandalizes government; Buttigieg nurtures it.
To put it simply, Mayor Pete seems almost designed to expose everything that makes the country tired of Trump.-
Buttgieg is repulsive, a snake like Sullivan
Sullivan is yet another controlled opposition NY poster, of course dergon would quote him. He usually quotes leftists with Bolshevik origins, so this is somewhat, but hardly, better.
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Let Buttigieg get on the debate stage and show viewers who he is.
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I wonder how socially “conservative” voters will feel about him, specifically evangelicals and Mormons, etc. Some once saw us as post-racist due to the election of Obama but it only seemed to bring the racists out of the closet. Those who believe in the freedom to discriminate against gay people are already out but who knows what new-found militancy they will find, especially with the Supreme Court as it is. Not that long ago conservatives were pushing legislation against gay people, forget transgender bathrooms, teachers and others could be legally fired for coming out or being discovered. Being gay was an out and out sin as far as these people were concerned and just barely above – maybe – a pedophile. And re-education camps were popular with them.
I have high hopes. Even as the religious fundamentalists come out demanding a return to some glorious past – seems the major talking point of of all religious fundamentalists including the Taliban – the nation and world still move forward. -
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Let Buttigieg get on the debate stage and show viewers who he is.
I thought we are past the rousing speeches and great orators for president ? How about someone who knows how the sausage is made and is able to unite folks for the good of the country. Trump is not that guy, but neither was Obama.
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Since discussing things with the others is useless (prelude to my question, likely proving it unanswerable, but I’ll try anyway) … fw, how do we “unite folks”?
You see how deranged the people are on this board. What would be your recommendation for unity? These people hate the Constitution, among other things. Unity as a feel good is not true unity.
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I hear there are a lot of gigs for the butt boy in Tel Aviv
He should check them out-
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I hear there are a lot of gigs for the butt boy in Tel Aviv
He should check them out
Insightful, thoughtful and mature response.-
Heard some polling analysis today:
Buttigieg gets the best “polling relative to name ID” of the entire democratic field. Means he has the potential for a much higher ceiling.-
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Heard some polling analysis today:
Buttigieg gets the best “polling relative to name ID” of the entire democratic field. Means he has the potential for a much higher ceiling.
That’s like claiming that he is the tallest dwarf !
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I hear there are a lot of gigs for the butt boy in Tel Aviv
He should check them out
Insightful, thoughtful and mature response.
The homophobia is slowly boiling away just beneath the surface.-
Buttigieg v. Mike Pence on religion and LGBT issues:
Buttigieg: You may be religious and you may not. But if you are, and you are also queer, and you have come through the other side of a period of wishing that you werent, then you know that that message, this idea that there is something wrong with you, is a message that puts you at war not only with yourself but with your maker. Speaking only for myself, I can tell you that if me being gay was a choice, it was a choice that was made far, far above my pay grade. Thats the thing I wish the Mike Pences of the world would understand. If you got a problem with who I am, your problem is not with me. Your quarrel, sir, is with my creator.
Somehow Mike Pence interprets that quote as Buttigieg “making attacks on my religious faith.” [8|]
Mayor Pete’s excellent retort:
‘I’m not critical of his faith, I’m critical of bad policies’I dont have a problem with religion. Im religious too. I have a problem with religion being used as a justification to harm people and especially in the LGBTQ community. So many people, even today, feel like they dont belong. You can get fired in so many parts of this country just for who you are, and thats got to change. Im not interested in feuding with the vice president, but if he wanted to clear this up he could come out today and say hes changed his mind that it shouldnt be legal to discriminate against anybody in this country for who they are. Thats all.
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Pence’s wife, Karen teaches at a school that does not allow LGBTQ people as students or employees. Thinks criticizing such schools’ policies is “anti-Christian.”
Trying to find the anti-LGBTQ passages by Jesus in the New Testament. Can’t seem to find any.
Fundamentalists are always inventing things about their religious beliefs regardless of the religion that don’t appear anywhere in their religious writings. But pointing that out makes one anti-religious.-
Pete would make a fine POTUS – certainly better than the joke we have now.
The problem is he’s gay – that’s a non-issue for me and for anyone rational. ( I’ve started pro LGBTQ threads on this forum and I’ve always support them fiercely (though I’m not one myself).)
But…..the country that elected Trump just 4 years ago isn’t mature enough or open minded enough to accept an openly gay POTUS.
So if we Dems nominate Pete Buttgieg, we just gave Don the Con and his band of xenophobic small minded morons another 4 years.
Pete should wait 10-20 years to run again for POTUS – the country will be more enlightened then, and he’ll have more experience too.-
The country will be more [strike]enlightened[/strike] decadent then
SadRad, the self deemed “rational” one-
Right now, Im studying the field. Im reading [link=https://amzn.to/2Wdls6w][i]Shortest Way Home[/i][/link] by Pete Buttigieg. I call him Buttabeep, Buttaboop. (Laughs.) The names either going to really hurt or really help I think its going to help, actually. Just the other day, I was at Apple with Spielberg and we were in the hallway talking about, What are we going to do? And I said, Have you heard of this Butta guy? He goes, No, Butta-who? I go, Buttabeep, Buttaboop. Look him up.’
Oprah Winfrey, in an interview with [link=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/oprah-winfrey-talks-apple-plans-60-minutes-split-2020-election-1205311]The Hollywood Reporter[/link]. on who she might support for president.
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Pete’s taking his turn in the barrel …
[h2][link=https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/450190-south-bend-police-union-accuses-buttigieg-of-using-police-shooting-solely]South Bend police union says Buttigieg using police shooting ‘solely for his political gain'[/link][/h2]
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Pete’s taking his turn in the barrel …
[h2][link=https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/450190-south-bend-police-union-accuses-buttigieg-of-using-police-shooting-solely]South Bend police union says Buttigieg using police shooting ‘solely for his political gain'[/link][/h2]
It was painful to watch. With every word he said he had to anticipate how it would sound in a political attack ad down the line.
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[b][i]But…..the country that elected Trump just 4 years ago isn’t mature enough or open minded enough to accept an openly gay POTUS. [/i][/b]
[b][i] So if we Dems nominate Pete Buttgieg, we just gave Don the Con and his band of xenophobic small minded morons another 4 years.[/i][/b]
Disagree. Once they see him on the debate stage and hear him speak he has a very good chance of being the nominee and elected POTUS. HRC took the popular vote and could have won if she campaigned in the states she ignored.
Dems will learn from it. I also think while there are narrow minded gay bashers much of the country will accept him based on his campaigning and hearing him speak. His popularity continues to rise. He is 3rd in Iowa and NH, even ahead of Harris and others. He’s getting more media coverage. I thought I saw that he was announcing this weekend he is running and will change from exploratory to candidate.
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Hope you are right Ixrayu but I think there are many homophobes out there who hide behind their religious beliefs. Consider the support for so many legislative attempts against LGBTQ people. Again, not just bathrooms but employment. How many “religious” establishments are there out there like Karen Pence’s employer who ban students and employees who are LGBTQ. They can’t handle being gay & go nuts about transsexuals. consider Trump’s recent decision of transsexuals int the military regardless of their already years of excellent service and high rank as officers performing very complex and important jobs. And the Supreme Court that recently ruled that it was OK for discriminate against gay people for religious reasons. Think how that Court would have ruled in the 1960’s with Civil Rights what with many racist segregationists defending their racism based on what they argued was in the Bible.
And recently how we thought we were a “post-racial” society because we elected Obama as President. So to prove our post-racism we then elected Trump and got South Carolina demonstration with “many ‘good’ people on both sides” and too many other examples including attacks on synagogues and mosques and black churches.-
[b][i]many homophobes out there who hide behind their religious beliefs.[/i][/b]
True. However recent study shows there are as many people that claim no religion as there are Catholics and Evangelicals. (Ryan Burge Eastern Illinois Univ) Organized religion is failing badly. [i] [/i]Are the Catholics and their “moral leaders” and priests “playing” w altar boys and seminarians going to go after him because he is gay? I think a lot of voters will see through that ploy.
Time will tell[i][/i][b][i].
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I remember back in 2007 saying that the country wasn’t ready to elect a black guy with the middle name ‘Hussein’
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Interesting review of Buttigieg in Front Porch Republic.
[link=https://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2019/04/found-the-perfect-fpr-presidential-candidate/]https://www.frontporchrep…residential-candidate/[/link]
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Hope you are right Ixrayu but I think there are many homophobes out there who hide behind their religious beliefs. Consider the support for so many legislative attempts against LGBTQ people. Again, not just bathrooms but employment. How many “religious” establishments are there out there[b] like Karen Pence’s employer who ban students and employees who are LGBTQ[/b].
*citation needed
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They can’t handle being gay & go nuts about transsexuals. consider Trump’s recent decision of transsexuals int the military regardless of their already years of excellent service and high rank as officers performing very complex and important jobs.
It’s a sad situation, but transsexualism is a psychiatric disorder, and I can understand why the military would be wary of enlisting pts with psychiatric disease.
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And the Supreme Court that recently ruled that it was OK for discriminate against gay people for religious reasons.
You mean the horrendous decision that [[i]gasp[/i]!!!] preserves the right of, say, a baker to not be forced to bake a cake for a homosexual couple who clearly target his bakery to exact political punishment? Oh, the [b]HUMANITY[/b].
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Think how that Court would have ruled in the 1960’s with Civil Rights what with many racist segregationists defending their racism based on what they argued was in the Bible.
And recently how we thought we were a “post-racial” society because we elected Obama as President. So to prove our post-racism we then elected Trump and got South Carolina demonstration with “many ‘good’ people on both sides” and too many other examples including attacks on synagogues and mosques and black churches.
Get your states right, at least. Charlottesville is in VA.
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I really don’t think anyone is scared of gay people. I’ve never heard someone use the word homophobia that I thought was intelligent.
If you are against wars are you warphobic? No you just don’t like people dying. If you’re against poverty are you poverty phobic? No you just don’t like seeing people suffer. Not sure why the left makes everything about fear and phobias and etc.
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People should just treat other people respectfully. Not sure on the bathrooms. Don’t think too many people want their 10 yr old daughter alone in a bathroom with the 40 yr old person in midlife crisis claiming they’re a woman so they can use woman’s bathroom. That is a more naunced issue.
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To be clear I’m pro gay marriage, if two parties are freely consenting and appropriate age then they can do whatever and it clearly doesn’t harm me.
Just pointing out that calling someone who doesn’t agree with an idea scared of it or phobic is idiotic.
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Pence’s wife, Karen teaches at a school that does not allow LGBTQ people as students or employees. Thinks criticizing such schools’ policies is “anti-Christian.”
Trying to find the anti-LGBTQ passages by Jesus in the New Testament. Can’t seem to find any.
Fundamentalists are always inventing things about their religious beliefs regardless of the religion that don’t appear anywhere in their religious writings. But pointing that out makes one anti-religious.
I love how you act like you are some authority, yet you don’t even count yourself part, in any way, of any of these groups you criticize. It’s quite weird.
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Says the Mavin of Dreck!
Homophobia has nothing to do with belief in Christianity and the teachings of the Gospel. Homophobia is the opposite of Christianity and the teachings.
Not to mention adolescent boys like yourself who think trashing LGBTQ people makes you more masculine.
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His fluency on faith and his willingness to speak about it is an asset. Carter, Clinton, and Obama they all shared that quality. It was one of the cues that opened the door to voters.
David Axelrod, quoted by [link=https://nym.ag/2Z7X2x7]New York Magazine[/link], on Pete Buttigieg.
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To be clear I’m pro gay marriage, if two parties are freely consenting and appropriate age then they can do whatever and it clearly doesn’t harm me.
Just pointing out that calling someone who doesn’t agree with an idea scared of it or phobic is idiotic.
I don’t think you know what homophobic means, which is idiotic.
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Define it for us.
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“Nostalgic to return to a bygone error that was never as great as advertised to begin with.” — “There is no such thing as an honest politics that revolves around the word ‘Again’.”
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“The horror show in Washington is mesmerizing… but we’re going to change the channel. ”
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Healthcare is Freedom Because youre not free if you cant start a new business when leaving your job means losing your healthcareConsumer protection is freedom – Because youre not free if you cant sue your credit card company even after they get caught ripping you off.
Racial justice is freedom – Because youre not free if there is a veil of mistrust between people of color and the officers sworn to keep us safe.
Empowering teachers is freedom Because youre not free in your own classroom if the ability to do your job is reduced to a number on a page.
Womens equality is freedom Because youre not free if your reproductive health choices are dictated by male politicians in Washington.
Organized labor sows freedom Because youre not free if you cant organize for a fair days pay for a good days work.
And take it from Chasten and me, youre not free if a county clerk gets to tell you who you ought to marry because of their ideas and political beliefs.
The chance to live a life of your choosing in keeping with your values. That is freedom in its richest sense.
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What is that – a collection of trite and specious talking points?
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“Nostalgic to return to a bygone error that was never as great as advertised to begin with.” — “There is no such thing as an honest politics that revolves around the word ‘Again’.”
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“The horror show in Washington is mesmerizing… but we’re going to change the channel. ”
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Healthcare is Freedom Because youre not free if you cant start a new business when leaving your job means losing your healthcare
Consumer protection is freedom – Because youre not free if you cant sue your credit card company even after they get caught ripping you off.
Racial justice is freedom – Because youre not free if there is a veil of mistrust between people of color and the officers sworn to keep us safe.
Empowering teachers is freedom Because youre not free in your own classroom if the ability to do your job is reduced to a number on a page.
Womens equality is freedom Because youre not free if your reproductive health choices are dictated by male politicians in Washington.
Organized labor sows freedom Because youre not free if you cant organize for a fair days pay for a good days work.
And take it from Chasten and me, youre not free if a county clerk gets to tell you who you ought to marry because of their ideas and political beliefs.
The chance to live a life of your choosing in keeping with your values. That is freedom in its richest sense.
And we know that good government secures freedom just as much as bad government denies it.
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It was pretty impressive. Of course, I wouldn’t expect the “American Carnage” crowd to go for it.
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so delusional it hurts. everything about your side is good and everything about the other side is bad. this kind of thinking is what precedes genocide.
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the answer is somewhere in the middle and anyone that can’t realize that is a problem. calling everything your side does freedom is so stupid it hurts.
It works better as a chant this way. This is about things that sound good, not anything the is going to do.
He is the perfect candidate. Never had to vote on anything, never had to decide anything of consequence. A white sheet on which the consultants behind him can project every feelgood concept that works with the base. He is also gay, that’s almost as good as being black or female for the party. Doesn’t make him any better or worse as a president, but its somehow important to the party. Oh well, I guess they finally found ‘generic democratic candidate vs. Donald Trump. -
Let’s dissect Dergon’s Collection of One-Liners for Children.
“[i][b]Nostalgic to return to a bygone error that was never as great as advertised to begin with[/b].[/i]”
Who else remembers when, several years back, Leftists were constantly sharing this clip: [link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPHSXUS0_1c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPHSXUS0_1c[/link] ? The fact of the matter is that, by many metrics, America was a truly outstanding country for a great deal of time. That is slipping away as we import and adopt more and more third-world mores.
“[b][i]There is no such thing as an honest politics that revolves around the word ‘Again.[/i][/b]'”
This is meaningless. Undeserving of response. Next.
“[b][i]The horror show in Washington is mesmerizing… but we’re going to change the channel[/i].” [/b]
The “horror show” in Washington has nothing to do with Trump, who – as buffoonish as he has been for decades – is a moderate WRT policy. It’s a “horror show” because of a Left that’s so unhinged that it advanced/fell for the ludicrous Russia hoax, the Covington hoax, and the Smollett hoax. Honestly, the fat that they even voice their opinions at this point demonstrates their abject shamelessness.
“[b][i]Healthcare is Freedom Because youre not free if you cant start a new business when leaving your job means losing your healthcare [/i] [/b][b] [i]Consumer protection is freedom – Because youre not free if you cant sue your credit card company even after they get caught ripping you off.[/i][/b]”
Fair enough, but these aren’t exactly unique policy positions. So there’s nothing remarkable about these quotes.
“[i][b]Racial justice is freedom – Because youre not free if there is a veil of mistrust between people of color and the officers sworn to keep us safe[/b].[/i]”
The implication here is that the responsibility for the so-called “veil of mistrust” lies squarely on the shoulders of white police. And that’s absurd.
“[b][i]Empowering teachers is freedom Because youre not free in your own classroom if the ability to do your job is reduced to a number on a page.[/i][/b]”
What on earth does this even mean? Impossible to refute this gibberish.
“[b][i]Womens equality is freedom Because youre not free if your reproductive health choices are dictated by male politicians in Washington[/i].”[/b]
Ok, so if [b][i]female [/i][/b]politicians dictate reproductive health choices for the populace, that means that we are free? In what mind that enjoys an IQ above room temperature does this make sense?
“[b][i]Organized labor sows freedom Because youre not free if you cant organize for a fair days pay for a good days work.[/i][/b]”
Unfortunately, the Left’s idea of “organized labor” is the compulsory payment of dues to unions even in the absence of membership in said union. Huh, I guess that’s also “freedom.”
“[b][i]And take it from Chasten and me, youre not free if a county clerk gets to tell you who you ought to marry because of their ideas and political beliefs.[/i][/b]”
Is it also “freedom” to force a baker to bake a cake for an event that’s not to his or her taste? Ladies and gentlemen, to the Left, that compulsion is freedom!!
“[i][b]The chance to live a life of your choosing in keeping with your values. That is freedom in its richest sense.[/b][/i][b]”[/b]
Maybe so, but it’s also absurdly simplistic. What if one’s values are to have followers molest children and drink poison-laced Kool Aid? Does freedom to follow those values also take precedence?
“[b][i]And we know that good government secures freedom just as much as bad government denies it.[/i][/b]”
True in theory, but go to your DMV and post office and tell me all about your “good government” at work.
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Hostility to government is a primary belief by Cons. Please move to a place where government is invisible or absent. Seriously.
And a primary example is invariably the STATE DMV. The DMV is state not federal so you are consistent in dislike of government. Like is say, you have global options to find Con Utopia where no government intrudes.
BTW, my local DMV is excellent. Not long lines, polite workers who takes of you usually within 1/2 hour. They smile and are pleased to assist.
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Hostility to government is a primary belief by Cons. Please move to a place where government is invisible or absent. Seriously.
And a primary example is invariably the STATE DMV. The DMV is state not federal so you are consistent in dislike of government. Like I say, you have global options to find that Con Utopia where no government intrudes.
BTW, my local DMV is excellent. No long lines, polite workers who take care of you usually within 1/2 hour. They smile and are pleased to assist.
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And a primary example is invariably the STATE DMV. The DMV is state not federal so you are consistent in dislike of government. Like I say, you have global options to find that Con Utopia where no government intrudes.
BTW, my local DMV is excellent. No long lines, polite workers who take care of you usually within 1/2 hour. They smile and are pleased to assist.
Ever had to deal with SSA in person ? Or USCIS ?
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Yes. A few bumps but they have always been helpful and pleasant.
That’s for SSA not USCIS. I was born here. My mother was naturalized some decades ago and she reported no particular issues anytime. She busted her buttons the day she completed her naturalization.
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Hostility to government is a primary belief by Cons.
That’s it.
And that is exactly where Buttigieg was going with his launch. He is attempting to break the false equation of “less government = more freedom” that has been put forward by US conservatives since Reagan.
Government can do things and by doing those things can increase overall freedom and quality of life for citizens.
It fits well with the polling of younger Americans who are much more likely to favor government solutions to problems.
I’m not sure where all of this takes Buttigieg in the end, but he makes a good presentation for the role of government. And as a person of faith and military combat veteran he does from a position that few in the Democrat party can.
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Yes because nothing says freedom like passing laws and increased amounts of policy.
Huge institutions of any kind are always bloated, inefficient and just bad at doing their job. It’s no different if it’s the government, catholic church, military, huge private corporations.
It’s not hostility to government specifically. It’s hostility to huge organizations which inherently lose the ability to internally police, regulate and operate effectively.
Not sure many people who would debate that. You know what is better than passing laws to address issues? People being grown ups and handling things themselves. Ie we don’t need a law to stop a credit card company to stop screwing you, we just boycott that company that provides poor service and value.
We don’t need a law that regulates wages, we just don’t work for people who don’t pay acceptably.
We make marriage less of a government thing not more of one.
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I guess I just don’t understand who wants bigger govenrment. Do you really think that will run well? Again big institutions inherently are inefficient. The founding fathers realized this.
I’m surprised some of you guys don’t push states rights harder so the states have more power to further enhance the sanctuaries they are, and the Mississippis and Alabama of the country can be left to die like you claim they will. They everybody can live where they want with acceptable policies for the masses.
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It’s not about no govenrment.. It’s about the appropriate amount. You say you have a problem with the government regulating gay people getting married, so your solution is to increase regulation. My solution is to not have the govenrment regulate marriage.
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It’s not about no govenrment.. It’s about the appropriate amount. You say you have a problem with the government regulating gay people getting married, so your solution is to increase regulation. My solution is to not have the govenrment regulate marriage.
No regulation gave us Jim Crow. The only reason government was reguired to regulate the States is because they removed freedoms from a significant mumber of specific people. Today civil rights laws are necessary as some states are trying to remove rights and recognitions or specific people. Gay people have a right to work in a job. That’s the reason for las to guarantee those rights are not removed by states and religious people.
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That’s absurd. Your arguments are absurd.
The founders could never imagine today’s world. It took days and weeks to travel to DC from their homes for example. on horseback. They had to sail to Europe not fly (flying?) & it took weeks. Their guns were single-shot muskets, muzzle-loaded. Weapons of WWI would have astounded them much less today’s, like jets and rockets. And space.
The Constitution was a full compromise because they all could hardly agree. Jefferson, a primary advocate for “small governmet’ saw it not as a “dead” document but a living one to be reinterpreted. Read Hamilton’s arguments about government. He believed in a strong centralized government.
“I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.”
-Thomas Jefferson
As for big government, Jefferson imagined that the US would forever always be an agrarian nation. A bit off, no?
A government the size of government in 1789 would be less than useless. We’d never have survived much less become the nation we are today.
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I guess I just don’t understand who wants bigger govenrment.
58% of American women
68% of African Americans
56% of Asian Americans
61% of Latinos
60% of Millennials
In fact, the only demographic group that wants smaller government is older, white males.
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In fact, the only demographic group that wants smaller government is older, white males.
Hmmm, the same group that created this country, and Western society in general**. Interesting how that works out.
**With the help and partnership of women, of course. We should bear in mind that married white women vote very similarly to white men. It’s the ever-increasing group of career-driven, unmarried white women who are left-leaning – largely 2/2 daddy issues, media propaganda, and bitterness.-
Uh no, Knob. Jefferson wanted “small” government but he also wanted a new Constitution rewritten every 20 years and also thought the country would always and forever be agrarian. He also had a lot of other baggage. He couldn’t have been more wrong.
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Uh no, Knob. Jefferson wanted “small” government but he also wanted a new Constitution rewritten every 20 years and also thought the country would always and forever be agrarian. He also had a lot of other baggage. He couldn’t have been more wrong.
Read Hamilton.
To which post are you responding?
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In fact, the only demographic group that wants smaller government is older, white males.
Hmmm, the same group that created this country, and Western society in general**. Interesting how that works out.
**With the help and partnership of women, of course. We should bear in mind that married white women vote very similarly to white men. It’s the ever-increasing group of career-driven, unmarried white women who are left-leaning – largely 2/2 daddy issues, media propaganda, and bitterness.
What is “Western society?” America in the 1800’s or the Greeks in 1,500-500 B.C., Minos and Crete from 2,000 B.C.?
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What is “Western society?” America in the 1800’s or the Greeks in 1,500-500 B.C., Minos and Crete from 2,000 B.C.?
Even if I pick “all of the above”, my point remains correct.
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What point? Youve made a big fat zero point.
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I know you’d like to ignore it. But it remains incontrovertibly true that Western culture was created by white men and women. And – to preempt inane accusations – I’m not saying that it’s superior to all other cultures.
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The problem isn’t that Western Culture perhaps began with the Greeks say, the problem is what says these peoples were “white?” What is that? Are Semites and North Africans “white?” Is Judaism “white?”
What is the basis for the ancients paying attention to people’s pigmentation to classify them?
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There is debate around the edges, just as there is with any subject. But that doesn’t negate the fundamental point. Nobody will claim, for instance, that Norwegians aren’t white or that Congo Pygmies are. It’s not entirely about skin color, either; there are some deeply-tanned Italians and extremely light Japanese.
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So skin color relates to what again? Forget Norwegians, how about Muslims who prospered during Europe’s Dark Ages, invented Algebra and the concept of zero among other things we take for granted. They preserved much of ancient writings and learning. They are not Norwegians but were they “white?”
Come to think of it, who were the Norwegians at 800-500 BC when Greek culture flourished?Your argument sounds similar to the claims of Jan the Third. Are you Jan?
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Buttigieg raised $1 million in 4 hours after announcement.
Rising in polls:
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Buttigieg raised $1 million in 4 hours after announcement.
Rising in polls:
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Sanders is old news. Buttigieg might well win. He says lots of stupid things, but not [i]politically[/i]-stupid things.
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It’s just fundraising that shows top-tier status…. with the Sanders/Beto/Harris numbers.
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The problem isn’t that Western Culture perhaps began with the Greeks say, the problem is what says these peoples were “white?” What is that? Are Semites and North Africans “white?” Is Judaism “white?”
What is the basis for the ancients paying attention to people’s pigmentation to classify them?
My learning taught me the difference was between Western thought and Eastern thought, not white people and everyone else. I never read or was taught anything about their color.
Thanks for showing us again you know nothing about history. You never read the Greeks, obviously. Or the Egyptians. Or the Bronze Age people of whatever advance civilization.
Lemme guess, you’re one of those “Socrates was actually black” guys.
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In fact, the only demographic group that wants smaller government is older, white males.
Hmmm, the same group that created this country, and Western society in general**. Interesting how that works out.
**With the help and partnership of women, of course. We should bear in mind that married white women vote very similarly to white men. It’s the ever-increasing group of career-driven, unmarried white women who are left-leaning – largely 2/2 daddy issues, media propaganda, and bitterness.
The Red Pill is always hard for these soyboys to swallow.
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I guess I just don’t understand who wants bigger govenrment.
58% of American women
68% of African Americans
56% of Asian Americans
61% of Latinos
60% of Millennials
In fact, the only demographic group that wants smaller government is older, white males.
Yeah, because for the most part it’s still grey haired white males who pay for the operation of the government.
At least that is what the socialists are telling us that old white males control the means of production and that everyone else, women, brown and black people etc. live in abject poverty.
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I guess I just don’t understand who wants bigger govenrment.
58% of American women
68% of African Americans
56% of Asian Americans
61% of Latinos
60% of Millennials
In fact, the only demographic group that wants smaller government is older, white males.
And meanwhile, by your own admission, the country has gotten progressively (ironic isn’t it) worse. Logic, facts and conclusion were never your forte, Dr. Lefty.
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Back to my earlier invite, what country would you prefer to live in that has the sufficiently “small” size or absence you favor?
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Again it’s not about no government. It’s about appropriate amounts. I never said we need 1776 size govenrment.
Jim crow was a government regulation to prevent the free market from serving blacks. Jim crow is literally the worst example possible for advocating for big govenrment. Jim crow was government removing freedom.
Clueless.
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Jim crow happened because private businesses were serving blacks, because their money is just as good as anyone else’s, and surprise a businesses goal is to make money. Therefore if a business wants to make the most money possible it is in their best interest to not be racist, sexist, etc.
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Just like the baker who denies gay people a cake is being stupid. You’re turning down a customer.
So those gay people are well within their rights to tell all their friends, who will possibly boycott it and thus the effect will be materialized and the baker might go out of business.
Oh look we have enacted change without passing a law. Who knew
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But under your guys line of thinking, let’s pass a law where the guy has to bake the cake and then you can support a bigot. Seems logical. So my way the bigot goes out of business, in your way you give him your money and he goes about his day. Tell me which one makes more sense.
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Again it’s not about no government. It’s about appropriate amounts. I never said we need 1776 size govenrment.
Jim crow was a government regulation to prevent the free market from serving blacks. Jim crow is literally the worst example possible for advocating for big govenrment. Jim crow was government removing freedom.
Clueless.
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Jim crow happened because private businesses were serving blacks, because their money is just as good as anyone else’s, and surprise a businesses goal is to make money. Therefore if a business wants to make the most money possible it is in their best interest to not be racist, sexist, etc.
HUH?
You clearly know nothing about history and are very clearly confused about everything. You are way off base. This is not even a cogent argument.
Where do you get your history? Links? I’d like to read this crap blaming who exactly.
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[b]BTW, my local DMV is excellent[/b]
OMG where do you live? Our DMV is absolutely atrocious. Wait times as long as 3 – 4 hours and this is even when some of the services can be done online. When I do work on my way in I pass the local DMV. It opens at 8:30 a.m. At 6:30 the people are lining up because the service/wait time is so long. They are out there in the rain, cold, heat, and snow just to get in and out in a reasonable amount of time. There is not one or two but some times there is 10 – 20 people lined up two hours before opening. At opening they are down the walk and around the corner of the building.
Had to have my license renewed 7 months ago. To do this in any sort of reasonable time I went online to see wait times. The closest office (12 minutes away from home), the one I drive by, wait time was 3 hours. The other closest two which are in 30 -45 minute drive one had wait time of 2.5 hours. The other was over an hour. Kept watching the time online and once it got below an hour I drove the 45 minutes and then waited 50 minutes to renew. You do not know how lucky you are if your DMV is that efficient.-
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OMG where do you live? Our DMV is absolutely atrocious.
New Jersey. Not population centers holding 50k people per mi sq. Horse and cow and corn country.
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So skin color relates to what again? Forget Norwegians, how about Muslims who prospered during Europe’s Dark Ages, invented Algebra and the concept of zero among other things we take for granted. They preserved much of ancient writings and learning. They are not Norwegians but were they “white?”
Come to think of it, who were the Norwegians at 800-500 BC when Greek culture flourished?
Your argument sounds similar to the claims of Jan the Third. Are you Jan?
Well, Muslims are a religious group; not a racial or ethnic group. That said, they’re overwhelmingly Arabic and South-Asian.
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/439236-buttigieg-responds-to-protesters-yelling-about-sodom-and-gomorrah]https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/439236-buttigieg-responds-to-protesters-yelling-about-sodom-and-gomorrah
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Two protesters interrupted Buttigieg, who is openly gay, during a speech in Fort Dodge, Iowa, shouting about the two cities that the Bible says were destroyed by what it calls sinful acts, including sodomy. They were both quickly shouted down by a crowd of 1,650 people chanting the South Bend, Ind., mayors name and escorted out of the area by security.
“The good news is the condition of my soul is in the hands of God, but the Iowa caucuses are up to you,” Buttigieg said after the first protester was ushered away from the crowd.
“Remember the beauty of our democracy. Everyone here gets the exact same voice and vote. Feels like the numbers are on our side,” he added after the second protester was removed.
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Aren’t these protesters afraid looking at Buttigieg might turn them into a pillar of salt?
They’d make a nice salt light then, hollow them out & put in a bulb. Take that negative energy & put it to use positively. Negative ions are supposed to make people happy. Now that would be irony.-
He will be last weeks news soon enough, just as ‘Betto’ is last weeks news right now.
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/439310-protesters-dressed-as-jesus-and-satan-appear-at-buttigieg-campaign-event-in]https://thehill.com/homen…gieg-campaign-event-in[/link]
Protesters dressed as Jesus and Satan appear at Buttigieg campaign event in Iowa[/h1]
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Protesters on Wednesday appeared at a [link=https://thehill.com/people/peter-pete-buttigieg]Pete Buttigieg[/link] (D) campaign event dressed as Satan and Jesus a day after protesters [link=https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/439236-buttigieg-responds-to-protesters-yelling-about-sodom-and-gomorrah]yelled at him at an event about he biblical cities of Sodom and Gomorrah[/link].One protester was also dressed as a fake Buttigieg and appeared to be whipping the person dressed as Jesus, according to videos posted to social media.
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Protesters at @PeteButtigieg meet and greet — this time it involves actors dressed as Jesus, Satan and the mayor.
75+ people gathered here in Marshalltown, waiting to hear from the mayor.
“Seeing these protesters inspires me to support Pete even more,” one attendee told me. pic.twitter.com/obbrwqFg22
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He will be last weeks news soon enough, just as ‘Betto’ is last weeks news right now.
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The religious homophobes make their presence known.
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The religious homophobes make their presence known.
How’s that name calling working out for ya?
You fly the loser flag daily, which is another win for the non-deluded.
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South Bend, Ind. Mayor [link=https://thehill.com/people/peter-pete-buttigieg]Pete Buttigieg[/link] has surged into the top tier of candidates in the Democratic presidential primary, according to a new poll.
The online [link=https://medium.com/@ChngRsrch/national-poll-results-biden-sanders-and-buttigieg-lead-majority-support-medicare-for-all-20bd0e69134d]survey[/link] from Change Research, a left-leaning polling outlet, finds former Vice President [link=https://thehill.com/people/joe-biden]Joe Biden[/link] at 21 percent support, followed by Sen. [link=https://thehill.com/people/bernie-sanders]Bernie Sanders[/link] (I-Vt.) at 20 percent and Buttigieg at 17 percent.
Thats a 15-point gain for Buttigieg in the past month, according to the poll, while Biden has fallen by 15 points and Sanders shed 4 points in the same survey.
In the past few weeks, Buttigieg has become a media sensation and a serious contender, raising $7 million in the first quarter and landing several coveted donors who previously raised millions of dollars for the Obama-Biden ticket.
No other candidate is polling in double-digits in the Change Research survey beyond Biden, Sanders and Buttigieg.
