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Paul Manafort receive $12.7 million from Ukraine
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Secret Ledger in Ukraine Lists Cash for Donald Trumps Campaign Chief[/url][/h1]Handwritten ledgers show $12.7 million in undisclosed cash payments designated for Mr. Manafort from Mr. Yanukovychs pro-Russian political party from 2007 to 2012, according to Ukraines newly formed National Anti-Corruption Bureau. Investigators assert that the disbursements were part of an illegal off-the-books system whose recipients also included election officials.
In addition, criminal prosecutors are investigating a group of offshore shell companies that helped members of Mr. Yanukovychs inner circle finance their lavish lifestyles, including a palatial [link=http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/world/europe/at-an-abandoned-palace-in-ukraine-an-anxious-look-toward-the-future.html]presidential residence[/link] with a private zoo, golf course and tennis court. Among the hundreds of murky transactions these companies engaged in was an $18 million deal to sell Ukrainian cable television assets to a partnership put together by Mr. Manafort and a Russian oligarch, Oleg Deripaska, a close ally of President [link=http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/vladimir_v_putin/index.html?inline=nyt-per]Vladimir V. Putin[/link].
Mr. Manaforts involvement with moneyed interests in Russia and Ukraine had[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/us/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html]previously come to light[/link]. But as American relationships there become a rising issue in the presidential campaign from Mr. Trumps favorable statements about Mr. Putin and his annexation of Crimea to the suspected Russian hacking of Democrats emails an examination of Mr. Manaforts activities offers new details of how he mixed politics and business out of public view and benefited from powerful interests now under scrutiny by the new government in Kiev.
And it seems that cash has already paid off. The biggest change Trump was able to make in the Republican party platform was [url=http://www.npr.org/2016/08/06/488876597/how-the-trump-campaign-weakened-the-republican-platform-on-aid-to-ukraine] to weaken its stance on the Russians in Ukraine[/url]
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Bill Clinton Had sex
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Gee, DERG, hyperventilating a bit here?
Hand written documents?
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Let’s think here.
Clinton claims Russians hacked her computer, via her ‘reckless carelessness’ (FBI’s conclusion and words).
They gained information that can hurt her in so many ways. Politically- fatally it is said.
So, they are using it now to elect Trump.
But they will not use it to blackmail her if she is elected.
Does not pass the smell test.Better to wait and use the information to manipulate her after the election behind the scenes don’t you think? That is , if you are a power hungry Putin and the Russian claim is true.
With the Clintons and this admin. , lies abound. After all they have done can we trust their word now?
Fool me once, on you, fool me 1000 times, on me…
Trump’s foreign policy vis a vis the Russians is not something they can predict, with so many variables, but Trump is likely to replace the anti-ballistic missiles to protect Europe / and US from eventual Iranian nukes in Poland/Czech republic like Bush and opposite of Obama/Clinton. If Putin is behind it all, let them show the evidence.
With Hillary, if we believe all this fantasy, the poisoning of relations with Russia is already beyond saving and the only hope for reasonable relations between Russia and the US is to elect Trump.-
The Big Question is
Why did the Republican Party Platform adopted at the convention soften its stance Towards russia
The Platform committee claims the Trump people insisted on the language
Manafort flat out denied it………………………. So someone is lying
Manafort is going to be forced to resign soon
You brought up the Smell test…………………….well this one smells to an obvious extent like a trail leading directly toward Manafort
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But I thought Donald only surrounded himself with the best people?
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The Big Question is
Why did the Republican Party Platform adopted at the convention soften its stance Towards russia
The Platform committee claims the Trump people insisted on the language
Manafort flat out denied it………………………. So someone is lying
Manafort is going to be forced to resign soon
You brought up the Smell test…………………….well this one smells to an obvious extent like a trail leading directly toward Manafort
This isn’t a gaffe either. It has real legs. If Trump does his standard “I’m loyal to the guy” thing and refuses to let Manafort go then this could really steam roll.
The story is now the lead on my google news.
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I find it amazing that the Republicans chase the Hillary email conspiracy garbage stories……………………. But something like this that basically threatens NATO and AMerican Interests and flies in the face of decades of Foreign policy success………………..is met with Crickets
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If Donald is bleeding out in the ocean this is like throwing some chum around him. Bad look.
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sleaze Putin ticked that Secretary Clinton got sanctions on Russia and said his election win was a fraud
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Those payments date back to 2007. Trump didn’t run for president until 2015. Either the money has nothing to do with the Trump presidential bid or manafort was a prophet.
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“Date back from” to a short time ago. $12 million worth. Trump’s campaign manager working as a Putin puppet & supporter through Yanukovych regardless of the time is something to look into. It also raises suspicions regarding Republicans weakening support for Ukraine against Putin especially considering their oft repeated admiration for Putin.
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“Date back from” to a short time ago.
According to the NY fishwrap they cover the period 2007-2012. In 2012, Trump didn’t mount any kind of serious campaign. Those payments, if not outright forgeries, cover a period of time when Manafort worked for the Regions party. They may be illegal under ukranian tax and transparency laws, but linking them to trumps campaign and whatever trump is saying about Crimea now is disingenuous and betrays a political agenda. Trump said dumb shit about Crimea and putin before Manafort came on bord with his campaign.
Trump’s campaign manager working as a Putin puppet & supporter through Yanukovych regardless of the time is something to look into.
Correct. Why would Trump hire someone as campaign manager whose trademark skill is to work the PR of authoritarian dictators.
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Because Trump and his kids Know very little about World Politics. They are essentially Real Estate people and salesmen/conmen and they probably got conned
I think the speculation is that Someone is manipulating Trump to be Pro-Russia
– Trump Talks about his admiration for Putin
– Putin complimented Trump a while back thus Stroking Trumps ego
– Trump has publically made comments extending a hand towards Russia and Putin
– Trump has been Questioning against our NATO allies
– But the Big one is …………… The republican Party Platform Changed to A Pro Russian Tune over Crimea/Ukraine and everything is pointing towards the Trump People as wanting the change
No one is saying Trump had anything to do with the 12 million
It seems to be pretty obvious as of today Trump knows Jack Squat about world affairs and world Security. As Mitch McConnell said………He just doesn’t know anything, But someone is manipulating him towards a pro Russian Stance
You can argue this is ok……………… But it totally changes over 65-70 years of American Foreign policy which has essentially been Protect our European Allies and Contain Russia
Of course that’s where Manafort fits in……….He is a hired gun who used to be on The communist bloc’s payroll
Again if Emails of HRC scare you………………..This should scare the living hello out of you
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That being said the purpose of investigating the 12 million is
To see if any of this money went directly to Manafort because if that’s the case
-He would have had to claim that on his tax returns if he did it may be OK
-If he did not claim it then that is tax evasion
– If Manafort just distributed the money and took none of it for himself….then Who got it?
-Is manafort still on the Payroll of a Foreign government.
Im sure there are multiple other issues at play as well but those are many of the important ones in trying to understand why the Pro Russian sentiment of Trump campaign and Policy
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There’s recent pictures of Ivanka Trump and Rupert Murchoc’s ex in Croatia. Rupert Murdoch’s ex is now Vlad Putin’s main piece. Furthering along the narrative the Trumps and Putins are friends.
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Trump family trying to Bring back the Royal familes of Europe of the 15-1800’s
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hypothetical. Say Trump was POTUS and there was a press conference on this. That would be a total poo show. I can’t see him dealing with the press for 4 years. “the dishonest press is being totally dishonest about Paul”
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oh what a web we weave..Murdoch ..Fox..Ailes ..Trump..Brexit wins after the Murdoch papers owned run constant imho drivel..now Trump who has been thinking of running since 2008 and the National enquire runs no negative rag stories on Trump but only on HRC..now Ailes out..who is in charge as the two Murdoch sons grow and remember the promise Murdoch broke to their mother that the 2 girls born to his Asian second wife would not be put in the will..oh what a tangle web we weave with Putin/Manafort and elections coming up in the most powerful country in the world..people the whole world is looking..nothing discrete here lol
Murdoch I hope Knows that the population he got to vote for Brexit will not be reflective of the people voting in the US( it won’t even match PA given the blue philly wall)
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There’s recent pictures of Ivanka Trump and Rupert Murchoc’s ex in Croatia. Rupert Murdoch’s ex is now Vlad Putin’s main piece. Furthering along the narrative the Trumps and Putins are friends.
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Ailes leaves just in time to prepare Trump for debates
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No one is saying Trump had anything to do with the 12 million
Then why all the attempts to draw a connection between the Ukrainian money and Trumps political positions?
Of course that’s where Manafort fits in……….He is a hired gun who used to be on The communist bloc’s payroll
Manafort has no ideology. He is going to champion the cause of whoever can pay his bills. Before yanukovich, he worked for Ferdinand Marcos, a man who ate communists for breakfast.
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Didn’t you read a word of what I said
I will re state it differently
The attempts to draw a connection between Ukraine Money and Trump is an attempt to suggest that Manafort is calling the shots and somehow beholden to and/or sympathetic to Russia/Putin
There is a reason that Republican Party Platform did a 180 degree turn on Russia and essentially is running away form nearly 70 years of what has been fairly bipartisan US foreign Policy with respect To NATO and Russian Containment.
What was That reason? That’s what this is all about
The Trail leads directly to Manafort
How do we KNow he is still not on the Payroll?
The controversy wont end until the question of WHo was really behind the Change in Republican party Platform
THis is a Huge deal
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Come on guys, read the GOP 2016 platform: (after strong comments on rebuilding our military from decimated levels by Obama/Clinton)… I have been on GOP platform committees and in part, it represents the presidential candidate’s views, it must reflect a consensus of all who will run under the GOP banner nationwide. The campaign side is separate from the policy side.
Also, if you read the NYT article and background information carefully you will see Manafort has not been accused of any wrongdoing in Ukraine at all, and never received any money. Further, this does not sound like an issue you want to bring up if you are 15 points ahead in the polls–Bill Clinton got 500$K for a 20 min. speech in Russia and $ flowed to the Clinton foundation from Russia.
Platform quotes below.
‘Also neglected are our strategic forces, especially the development and deployment of ballistic missile defenses. The Ground-Based Midcourse Defense system has been delayed and underfunded. To curry favor with Russia, defense installations in Poland and the Czech Republic have been neutralized and the number of planned interceptors in Alaska has been reduced. A New START agreement (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty), so weak in verification and definitions that it is virtually impossible to prove a violation, has allowed Russia to build up its nuclear arsenal while reducing ours. Meanwhile Moscow has repeatedly violated the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty (a treaty agreeing to the elimination of land-based mid-range nuclear missiles) with impunity, covertly testing missiles banned under that agreement.’
‘We urge that Poland be granted visa waiver status and we support placement of NATO troops in Poland. For the people of Russia, we affirm our respect and our determination to maintain a friendship beyond the reach of those who wish to divide us. We have common imperatives: Ending terrorism, combating nuclear proliferation, promoting trade, and more. We also have a common problem: The continuing erosion of personal liberty and fundamental rights under the current officials in the Kremlin. Repressive at home and reckless abroad, their policies imperil the nations which regained their self-determination upon the collapse of the Soviet Union. We will meet the return of Russian belligerence with the same resolve that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. We will not accept any territorial change in Eastern Europe imposed by force, in Ukraine, Georgia, or elsewhere, and will use all appropriate constitutional measures to bring to justice the practitioners of aggression and assassination.’ -
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Come on guys, read the GOP 2016 platform: (after strong comments on rebuilding our military from decimated levels by Obama/Clinton)…
What decimated military?
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THis is such a huge deal that Basically All National Security experts/Servants Republican and Democrat that are still alive are pretty much endorsing Hillary
This is pretty much the reason. THis softening toward Putin whose agenda is to restore Russians Europeans dominance directly Changes 60-70 years of relatively Bipartisan American Policy towards Europe and NATO
THis is a big fng Deal
In fact it is such a big deal that when THe 50 Republicans signed that Anti Trump letter last week and There is talk of Henry Kissinger and Condi Rice supporting Hillary…………………… THat basically ended Trumps chance of getting elected
The election is over and this is huge reason why
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Didn’t you read a word of what I said
I did and it made no sense.
The attempts to draw a connection between Ukraine Money and Trump is an attempt to suggest that Manafort is calling the shots and somehow beholden to and/or sympathetic to Russia/Putin
Beholden based on payments that started when George W Bush was president and Trump just another liberal NYC buffoon? The argument is a logical fail.
His involvement in Ukrainian politics was no secret, can”t be too suprised that his consulting firm got paid by the party it was working for. Axelrod receiived 500k to to get some socialist in Britain elected. I guess that makes him suspect of being an operative of the queen trying to get the US back under british colonial rule. You know, with Brexit they have to rebuild their empire. What, you say Brexit didn’t happen until 2016 and there was no way for Axelrod to know this in 2014 ? Doesn’t matter, logic is not our strong suit here.
If you can find some money going to Manafort since trump is running, maybe there is some meat to this argument, but almost 10 year old stuff? That’s like saying that the millions Hillary got from the banks would make her beholden to the banks. And we know that that isn”t true, right?
There is a reason that Republican Party Platform did a 180 degree turn on Russia and essentially is running away form nearly 70 years of what has been fairly bipartisan US foreign Policy with respect To NATO and Russian Containment.
What was That reason? That’s what this is all about
The Trail leads directly to Manafort
And the democratic platform promises free college for everyone. Means nothing.
THis is a Huge deal
You start to sound just as looney as Dalai when he writes about benghazi and the emails.
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Ok
I’m pretty sure you don’t understand much about American History and Foreign Policy specifically Related to Europe Since WWII
I think The George Shultz and Henry Kissingers and the 50 Republicans who signed that Paper last week Know exactly why they Don’t Support Trump and his team
There is a reason The Language of the Republican party platform got Changed at the convention. That is huge shift in a long term policy that has sent shock waves into the Reaganites and the Bushies 1 and Bushies 2.
Once they publically abandoned Trump the Race was all but over.
And this Europe/Russia/NATO aspect is the reason why ………….So if you don’t think any of this important then Im afraid you do not understand American Foreign Policy since WWII with regard to Europe
That’s just the way it is
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I’m pretty sure you don’t understand much about American History and Foreign Policy specifically Related to Europe Since WWII
I have lived that history.
There is a reason The Language of the Republican party platform got Changed at the convention. That is huge shift in a long term policy that has sent shock waves into the Reaganites and the Bushies 1 and Bushies 2.
I am saying the platform document doesn”t indicate the direction of US foreign policy.
Once they publically abandoned Trump the Race was all but over.
The race was over when Cruz couldn’t muster enough support to stop him. He is just an awful candidate and the Democrats could run a candidate everyone hates and they would still win. Oh wait, they ARE running a candidate everyone hates.
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Your initial Post seemed to Question why Payments handed out in 2007 to Manafort should have some bearing on Trump and his canidacy
Basically I offered and explanation to you why it is relavent.
You may think it s not true but that is why it is relavent and that is why it the Washington Post is poking around in it
I don’t know if any of it is true but there certainly is smoke leading straight to Manafort
Manafort may not have done anything wrong at all……………………. But The Republican candidate is being portrayed as Pro-Putin and anti NATO and as a no-nothing by his own party (Mitch McConnell) and his campaign mananger use to be employed by Pro Russia Pro Putin forces…………. So when 70 years of Party Philosophy change is Questioned Its going to raise a red Flag
The People on the Committee Claims TRumps People insisted on change in the wording. Manafort Denied it. Someone is lying
I’m not real sure what argument you are trying to make…………except to argue
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so don’t scoff at our Trump’s Russian connection questions…the duck was in broad view and he hired it
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Gee, DERG, hyperventilating a bit here?
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Gee, DERG, hyperventilating a bit here?
Hand written documents?
Anyone can make a mistake twice…Manafort resigned for no reason. Pure innuendo and left wing attack machine. Nothing to see here.
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now we have to worry about bizness ties with China and Russia
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Gee, DERG, hyperventilating a bit here?
Hand written documents?
Anyone can make a mistake twice…Manafort resigned for no reason. Pure innuendo and left wing attack machine. Nothing to see here.
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Manafort demoted: [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/18/us/politics/donald-trump-stephen-bannon-paul-manafort.html]
Donald Trump, in Shake-Up, Hires Breitbart Executive for Top Campaign Post[/url][/h1][link=http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/donald-trump-on-the-issues.html?inline=nyt-per]Donald J. Trump[/link] has shaken up his presidential campaign for the second time in two months, hiring a top executive from the conservative website Breitbart News and promoting a senior adviser in an effort to right [link=http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/14/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign-gop.html]his faltering campaign[/link].
Stephen Bannon, the executive chairman of Breitbart News LLC, will become the Republican campaigns chief executive, and Kellyanne Conway, a senior adviser and pollster for Mr. Trump and his running mate, Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana, will become the campaign manager.
[link=http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/us/politics/paul-manafort-trump.html]Paul Manafort[/link], the campaign chairman, will retain his title. But the staffing change, hammered out on Sunday and set to be formally announced Wednesday morning, was seen by some as a demotion for Mr. Manafort.-
Manafort tied to 2.2Million in 2012 from Ukraine organization to Washington Lobbying firm in an attempt to influence US policy
Telling you…………………This is a big frickin deal
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Blood in the water. It really is like Trump is trying to lose. Like demote Manafort but lets bring in mister popularity Roger Ailes or someone from the shining beacon on the hill that is Breitbart.
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Go BIG or go home!
Honestly, I think Trump changing course can only hurt his chances at this point. Suddenly running a sober and serious campaign will just be interpreted as fraud by his base. Either he will win and go down in history as probably the most spectacular upset ever in Presidential politics or he will go down in flames taking a large chunk of the GOP with him.-
He has crashed
Now he is burning
The only question now is will he take the party with him or will they abandon him and try to save the senate and possibly but unlikely the house
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He has crashed
Now he is burning
The only question now is will he take the party with him or will they abandon him and try to save the senate and possibly but unlikely the house
I think they’ve already abandoned him. I honestly believe that he is overwhelmed- that, he never thought he’d get the nomination, and, now that he has, is terrified. I believe that he ran to assuage his own ego, and for the media attention. That’s the only explanation I can come up with that explains his multiple faux pas’, which are increasing in frequency and severity. And, he’s already starting to explain his loss……hence his comments about rigged elections.
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I actually just think he is delusional. Manafort supposedly resigned today on good terms and still backing Trump. Falling on the sword I guess.
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THe Ukraine and the Putin thing………………………It was a big frickin deal
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He had to go.
How much of it is Ukraine and how much of it was the campaign in a tailspin is hard to know.
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I think the Republican National Security people writing that letter and going for Hillary was a direct result of the Manafort/Ukraine/Putin/Nato etc.
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Karl Rove and David Axelrod could team up to manage Trumps campaign and they wouldn’t be able to stop this slow motion train-wreck.
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Trump blinked with Corey, he blinked with Christie and now he has blinked with Manafort…..wonder how long sticky fingers Katrina will stay with her dysphasia comment( they should have asked her to spell it)…
Drew Pinsky seems to think that HRC landed in Arkansas when she was a kid but as a board certified internist he should know that many people like to continue seeing a doctor who has known there medical history for years
-back to Manafort..so the leak was correct that he was just calling it in..surprise that he took the job where most people given his background would have wanted to stay in the shadows..now he has a potential Fed case -possible on why he did not declare the foreign relationship( careful not to get charge for lying to the feds and if that does not get him then Uncle Sam and the IRS will be right there)Quote from dergon
He had to go.
How much of it is Ukraine and how much of it was the campaign in a tailspin is hard to know.
But either one of those factors should lead to the firing of a manager. Add them both together and it’s a no brainer.
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Here is the way it seems to have developed:
Manafort and his company contracted to assist with polling/advice for the Ukrainian government for the upcoming elections in 2012. That regime was friendly to the Russians and in 2012 the Obama administration took no position between them and the pro-independence movement in Ukraine.
They assisted, and the payment for those services was legal.
No lobbying, no registration required.
The Ukrainian govt wanted to influence opinion in the US in their favor and Manafort advised them to set up a non -government affiliated enterprise (Center for Ukraine) to approach other individuals in Washington to do so, as Manafort declined.
The Center for Ukraine approached two lobbyist firms, Podesta Affiliates (headed by John Podesta’s brother, John Podesta is the senior campaign manager for H. Clinton) and Vin Weber’s company.
The law says that lobbying efforts must register with the US govt.
Manafort’s group did not engage in lobbying and everyone involved, even the partisan NYT agrees that they did not have to register.
The Podesta group lobbied US govt officials, for 1 year including Clinton/Obama and obtained a legal memo saying they were not ‘strictly required to register’.
They did not register and received 1.2 $million from the Center for Ukraine, a legally independent entity from the Ukrainian govt.
No legal complaints until Manafort joins Trump’s campaign.
Then, the Podesta group informs (or the Clinton War room does this) John Podesta and he / they leak it to their allies in the NYT and the story hits. Much has been made of income tax issues, and other issues, and frankly, this story has some sordid corners, no question, but in these matters, the entities / individuals involved are skilled professionals and
no legal punishment usually develops. More than Manafort, the Podesta group has more exposure since they acted as direct lobbyists and if they knew of wrongdoing they did not report it and thus engaged in criminal cover up. When John Podesta became aware of all this he was also legally negligent in not informing the proper authorities.
Also, the IRS under this administration is a political arm of the White House, as is the Justice department and forgive us 55% of Americans who trust neither depts. to act truthfully and with integrity.
Trump used Manafort for a phase of the campaign, and is learning the dirty tricks used in these presidential campaigns, like this, and if he had it to do over, he would likely not have turned to Manafort, but he acted decisively to reshuffle things and move on.
With the Clintons , without defending the system of political consulting,
scandals and the politics of personal destruction have been their signature agenda and mode of operation for years, and if she is elected all of this will continue as long as she is in public life, that is who she is.
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[b]’Drew Pinsky seems to think that HRC landed in Arkansas when she was a kid but as a board certified internist he should know that many people like to continue seeing a doctor who has known there medical history for years.'[/b]
Not sure where this comment comes from , see above post by SLN, but I and others who support Trump have not brought up the issue of the health of Hillary Clinton. If this is of interest to AM posters, perhaps it should be discussed in further detail. It is true, if this is what SLN implies, we do need a president who is in top physical health with the energy to address multiple crises at once, Russia, Iran, Syria, Korea and the S. China sea, terrorism here in the US and overseas, since all of these state and non-state actors sense weakness in the Obama/Clinton regime and are acting in collusion.
For example, Putin moved on S. Ossetia/Georga and Obama / Clinton removed the defensive weapons and troops in 2010 that Bush placed near Georgia, all for their failed/ infamous ‘reset’ button.
Russia infiltrated / invaded Crimea and E. Ukraine, no action by Obama.
When Trump complained about the non-payment of NATO suport by our EU allies, Obama/Clinton complained and quietly moved to obtain more of the delinquent payments, and they were paid earlier this year.
Now 40K Russian troops mass next to Eastern Ukraine and Russian jets are based in Iran (!) flying sorties to Syria over Iragi airspace.
Obama/Clinton response? nada.
Ask yourself this: if Putin believes Trump will be weaker than Obama, why do all this now? better to wait and move after Trump wins.
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“I hire the best people” – Donald Trump
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Hey ……………….If you don’t like what one media is saying…………….You just hire the other media
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his lawyer Michael Cohen got B-slapped by CNN’s Brianna Keiler when he tried to bully her..what polls are we down;-she replied [style=”color: #0000ff;”][b]ALL of them[/b][/style].. Cohen looked disheveled/unshave and defeated( yes folks nothing going wrong here)Quote from DICOM_Dan
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Lewandoski, Katrina, Manafort…not the best vetting done by the Donald
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I love this little nugget from the campaign:
[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/20/us/politics/paul-manafort-resigns-donald-trump.html] Trump had taken to calling Manafort “low energy” in the weeks ahead of his ouster[/url]-
Looking for Hillary to go for the kill shot here in the next few weeks
Trump will say something outrageously stupid
Clinton will pounce
Her national lead will go way up even more
And republicans will start sprinting away from trump as fast as they can
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I think some deposition testimony from Trump university will be dumped via the paper not by video
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Looking for Hillary to go for the kill shot here in the next few weeks
Trump will say something outrageously stupid
Clinton will pounce
Her national lead will go way up even more
And republicans will start sprinting away from trump as fast as they can
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A great piece in [i]The Atlantic[/i] today:
[link=http://www.auntminnie.com/Forum/"https:/www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/paul-manafort-american-hustler/550925/"][b]Paul Manafort, American Hustler: The Plot Against America[/b]; Decades before he ran the Trump campaign, Paul Manaforts pursuit of foreign cash and shady deals laid the groundwork for the corruption of Washington.[/link]
Over the decades, Manafort had cut a trail of foreign money and influence into Washington, then built that trail into a superhighway. When it comes to serving the interests of the worlds autocrats, hes been a great innovator. His indictment in October after investigation by Special Counsel Robert Mueller alleges money laundering, false statements, and other acts of personal corruption. (He has pleaded not guilty to all charges.) But Manaforts role in Muellers broader narrative remains carefully guarded, and unknown to the public. And his personal corruption is less significant, ultimately, than his lifetime role as a corrupter of the American system. That he would be accused of helping a foreign power subvert American democracy is a fitting coda to his lifes story.
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Helping elect Donald Trump, in so many ways, represents the culmination of Paul Manaforts work. The president bears some likeness to the oligarchs Manafort long served: a businessman with a portfolio of shady deals, who benefited from a cozy relationship to government; a man whose urge to dominate, and to enrich himself, overwhelms any higher ideal. It wasnt so long ago that Trump would have been decisively rejected as an alien incursion into the realm of public service. And while the cynicism about government that enabled Trumps rise results from many causes, one of them is the slow transformation of Washington, D.C., into something more like the New Britain, Connecticut, of Paul Manaforts youth.
Last year, a group of Manaforts longtime friends, led by an old Republican hand named Bill Greener, tried to organize a cadre of surrogates to defend Manafort from the allegations against him, including the worst one: that he collaborated with a hostile foreign power to subvert the American democratic process. Manaforts old partner Charlie Black even showed up for a meeting, though the two had largely fallen out of touch. A few of the wheel men from the old firm wanted to help too. Yet, when volunteers were needed to go on TV as character witnesses, nobody raised his hand. There wasnt a lot to work with, one person contacted by this group told me. And nobody could be sure that Paul didnt do it. In fact, everything about the man and the life he chose suggests that he did.[/QUOTE]
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Washington was corrupt before Paul Manafort arrived on the scene.
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Isn’t that what made him attractive to the administration? Not to mention Ukraine?
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[h4][link=https://thehill.com/homenews/news/450703-manafort-pleads-not-guilty-to-state-fraud-charges-in-new-york]Manafort pleads not guilty to state fraud charges in New York[/link][/h4]
Paul is about to become pardon-proofed
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[h1][b]Manafort Cant Be Prosecuted in New York After Pardon[/b][/h1]
The Manhattan district attorneys attempt to prosecute former President Donald Trumps 2016 campaign chairman was dealt a final blow when New Yorks highest court said quietly last week it would not review lower court rulings on the case, the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/08/nyregion/manafort-vance-ny-indictment.html?searchResultPosition=1]New York Times[/link] reports.
The courts decision brings to an end the district attorneys quest to ensure that the campaign chairman, Paul J. Manafort, will face state charges for mortgage fraud and other state felonies, crimes similar to those for which he was convicted in federal court and then pardoned by Mr. Trump.
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[h1][b]Manafort Cant Be Prosecuted in New York After Pardon[/b][/h1]
The Manhattan district attorneys attempt to prosecute former President Donald Trumps 2016 campaign chairman was dealt a final blow when New Yorks highest court said quietly last week it would not review lower court rulings on the case, the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/08/nyregion/manafort-vance-ny-indictment.html?searchResultPosition=1]New York Times[/link] reports.
The courts decision brings to an end the district attorneys quest to ensure that the campaign chairman, Paul J. Manafort, will face state charges for mortgage fraud and other state felonies, crimes similar to those for which he was convicted in federal court and then pardoned by Mr. Trump.
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NY was expecting to lose the Manafort case…. Now we get to therest of the toadies.
From the article:
But the double jeopardy defense is unlikely to help Mr. Bannon in the same way it helped Mr. Manafort, because Mr. Bannon had not yet been tried, let alone convicted.
While the U.S. Constitution bars being tried twice for the same crime, the Supreme Court has long held that there is one exception: Federal and state prosecutions for the same conduct are allowed because the federal government and states are understood to be independent sovereigns. In 2019, the court [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/17/us/politics/supreme-court-double-jeopardy.html]affirmed that exception[/link].
That year, the state legislature in New York [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/21/nyregion/trump-tax-return-bills-new-york.html]passed a[/link] measure that lawmakers argued was necessary in order to check Mr. Trumps pardon power and to ensure that his associates were not permitted to escape justice. The law, [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/cuomo-signs-law-aimed-weakening-trump-s-pardon-power-closes-n1065151]signed by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo in October 2019[/link], allows state prosecutors to pursue charges against individuals who have been granted presidential pardons for similar crimes.
State Senator Todd Kaminsky, a Democrat and former federal prosecutor who sponsored the bill, said that the Manafort case drove home the need for the legislation.
It really underscored why we had to take legislative action that we did so that states can pursue their own path even if there is a federal pardon, he said. The law would make it easier for state prosecutors to pursue those on Mr. Trumps pardon list.
The law passed too late to apply to Mr. Manaforts case. The result, Mr. Kaminsky said, was that Mr. Vances office had to contort itself to try to show that the acts that Mr. Manafort had been charged with in federal court were not the same as those they were pursuing.-
Jury finds Calk guilty of two counts of bribery, following less than two hours of deliberations.
Sentencing set for January 10th. Potential for up to 35 years.
(Calk was the banker who got loans for Manafort as a bribe in exchange for promises that Kushner would land him an ambassadorship or some other kushy job in the Trump administration.
[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-23/kushner-replied-on-it-after-manafort-sought-post-for-banker]https://www.bloomberg.com…sought-post-for-banker[/link] )
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NBC News: In a scheme that stretched from July 2016 to January 2017, Stephen Calk worked to approve multiple high-risk loans for Manafort, who urgently needed them to avoid foreclosure on several properties.
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[b]Paul Manaforts Book Deal May Breach Plea Agreement[/b][/h1]
[link=https://www.justsecurity.org/79799/paul-manaforts-book-deal-may-breach-his-plea-agreement/]Just Security[/link]: The plea agreement Manafort entered into with the government allowed him to write anything he wanted, but provided that he could not profit from any such writings a provision that the government uses when defendants in high-profile matters might seek to profit from their crimes.
One legal issue is whether the presidential pardon Manafort received voids this provision in the plea agreement. The answer to that question is surely no. -
[h1][b]Trump aide Manafort removed from plane for revoked passport[/b][/h1]
[h2]Former Trump adviser Paul Manafort was removed from a plane at Miami International Airport before it took off for Dubai because he carried a revoked passport[/h2] Former Trump adviser Paul Manafort was removed from a plane at Miami International Airport before it took off for Dubai because he carried a revoked passport, the [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Famericas%2Fus-politics%2Fpaul-manafort-ap-trump-miami-miami-international-airport-b2042278.html%3Famp]Independent[/link] reports.
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[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/28/paul-manafort-trump-lawsuit-00028717]https://www.politico.com/…trump-lawsuit-00028717[/link]
[h2]DOJ seeks $3M from Paul Manafort over failing to disclose offshore accounts[/h2] [b]A civil lawsuit signals the Justice Department views penalties as not covered by President Donald Trump’s pardon of his former adviser.[/b]
The Justice Department is suing Paul Manafort, the former Trump campaign chair, for almost $3 million in penalties related to his alleged failure to file reports disclosing more than 20 bank accounts he controlled in foreign countries, including Cyprus, the United Kingdom and St. Vincent and the Grenadines.
According to [link=https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.612206/gov.uscourts.flsd.612206.1.0.pdf]the civil suit[/link] filed in federal court in West Palm Beach, Fla., on Thursday, the Treasury Department assessed the penalties against the longtime lobbyist and political consultant in July 2020, exactly five months before then-President Donald Trump pardoned his former adviser on criminal tax, bank fraud, conspiracy and obstruction of justice convictions. That case was pursued by special counsel Robert Mueller, whose probe of alleged Russian influence on Trumps 2016 campaign was the focus of intense and bitter criticism from Trump.
During a 2018 jury trial in Alexandria, Va., on some of the various criminal charges, Manafort was [link=https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/21/paul-manafort-verdict-updates-790591]found guilty of failing to file a Foreign Bank Account Report for 2012[/link], but the jury failed to reach a verdict on the same charge for 2013 and 2014. Jurors split 11-1 in favor of convicting Manafort on those counts, according to the verdict sheet and juror interviews.
The Justice Departments suit signals that federal attorneys have concluded that Trumps pardon does not cover the 2013 and 2014 charges, as well as the other eight counts the jury failed to reach a unanimous verdict on.[/QUOTE]
