[odayjassim1978_476]

The irresponsible immoral bully known as Bibi is acting out again: he has no right to freeze the Palestinian tax payments…I hope the eyes of the world make note again of his poor leadership and divisive tactics and KEEP an EYE on the money

[julie.young_645]

Noah has Bibi derangement syndrome.
 
As for the ICC, be careful what you wish for…
 
[link=http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/robert-fisk-the-real-reason-why-israel-and-the-us-dont-want-palestine-to-join-the-international-criminal-court-9956751.html]http://www.independent.co…nal-court-9956751.html[/link]

[Unknown Member]

Ultimately, netanyahu and his right wing cronies are strengthening Hamas and weakening the PA

Let’s take a look –

PA position – supports a negotiated two state solution, does not use violence against Israel

Result – Israeli occupation of the West Bank, settlements, more settlements etc, tax payment transfer freeze etc etc

Hamas – support violence and terror against Israel, not commitwd to negotiated two state solution

Result – all israeli troops and settlers have been out of Gaza for ten years

The conclusion

Seems like terror and violence maybe are the path to ending Israeli occupation – and that’s a very terrible message and totally wrong message for Israel to be sending.

[julie.young_645]

You are so laughably wrong about the P.A. position! They want peace? They want a two state solution? They’ve had a dozen opportunities to get just that and they have walked away. It is joked that they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

They don’t want peace, they want all the Jews to leave the entirety of what they call Palestine, which is all of Israel. The end-around runs to achieve “statehood” will accomplish nothing.

[odayjassim1978_476]

did Israel really leave Gaza when they can put a freeze on tax payments…again world keep an eye on the money..financial presence of Israel is still present

[Unknown Member]

DrDalai

You are (as usual) mistaken.

Israel has never offered them a fair two state deal.

Never.

The closest to a fair solution was 2000 camp David but even that was unfair to the Palestinians because there was no just solution provided to the palestinian refugee issue.

Netanyahu is not interested in a two state deal.

At least – if like Moshe Arens and Reuven Rivlin, he wanted to extend Israeli citizenship, that would be acceptable.

Netanyahu and Bennett want to continue military occupation of the West Bank, exploitation of its natural resources while denying political rights to Palestinians.

I won’t use the “a” word to describe the above because DrDalai said the “a” word (apartheid) is hate speech, so I will stop calling Israel an apartheid state.

I don’t want to use hate speech here.

But whatever you call it, it is military occupation of one people by another.

Call it what you will.

[julie.young_645]

Progress from a progressive! No more “A” Word! Thank you! It truly is hate speech.
 
Sadly, Sad, it is you who are totally mistaken. Arafat was offered most every single thing he wanted, including sharing Jerusalem as the capital of both entities, and he said no. Very loudly and clearly.  When you negotiate from weakness, you don’t dictate the rules or the outcome, and any other group of “downtrodden” would have been ecstatic at what was offered. 
 
What you simply cannot grasp is that the fake people known to you as “Palestinians” want a Judenrein Palestine, the entire land of Israel including Judea and Samaria, for themselves, with none of those pesky, slimy, stinky [i]Jews[/i] to pollute their Islamic paradise. Christians, would of course not be terribly welcome either.  Until you realize that this is what they want, and not their own little backwater nation which they effectively [i]already have[/i], you are simply spouting gibberish like a 12-year old girl attempting to save the whales.

[julie.young_645]

So let’s look at the war crimes of Hamas, which are opened up to international rebuke by this Palestinian move:
 
[link=http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4706/gazan-hamas-war-crimes]http://www.gatestoneinsti…gazan-hamas-war-crimes[/link]
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“If Hamas does not like you for any reason all they have to do now is say you are a Mossad agent and kill you.” A., a Fatah member in Gaza.
“Hamas wanted us butchered so it could win the media war against Israel showing our dead children on TV and then get money from Qatar.” T., former Hamas Ministry officer.
“They would fire rockets and then run away quickly, leaving us to face Israeli bombs for what they did.” D., Gazan journalist.
“Hamas imposed a curfew: anyone walking out in the street was shot. That way people [i]had[/i] to stay in their homes, even if they were about to get bombed. Hamas held the whole Gazan population as a human shield.” K., graduate student
“The Israeli army allows supplies to come in and Hamas steals them. It seems even the Israelis care for us more than Hamas.” E., first-aid volunteer.
“We are under Hamas occupation, and if you ask most of us, we would rather be under Israeli occupation We miss the days when we were able to work inside Israel and make good money. We miss the security and calm Israel provided when it was here.” S., graduate of an American university, former Hamas sympathizer.
 
Although Gazans, fearful of Hamas’s revenge against them, were afraid to speak to the media, friends in the West Bank offered introductions to relatives in Gaza. One, a renowned Gazan academic, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that as soon as someone talked to a Western journalist, he was immediately questioned by Hamas and accused of “communicating with the Mossad”. “Hamas makes sure that the average Gazan will not talk to Western journalists — or actually any journalists at all,” he said, continuing:
“Hamas does not want the truth about Gaza to come out. Hamas terrorizes and kills us just like Daesh [ISIS] terrorizes kills Iraqis. Hamas is a dictatorship that kills us. The Gazans you see praising Hamas on TV are either Hamas members or too afraid to speak against Hamas. Few foreign [Western] journalists were probably able to report what Gazans think of Hamas.”
When asked what Gazans did think of Hamas, he said:
“The same as Iraqis thought of Saddam before he was toppled. He still won by 90-something percent in the presidential elections. If Hamas falls today in Gaza, people here will do what Iraqis did to Saddam’s statue after he fell. But even though Western journalists may not have been able to speak freely with Gazans, they still need a story to send to their editor by the end of the day. So it is just easier and safer for them to stick to the official line.”
“What was that,” I asked: “‘Blame Israel’?”
“I don’t know about that,” he said. “More like, ‘Never blame Hamas!’. Hamas was making a ‘statement’: Opposing Hamas Means Death[i].[/i] Hamas is a dictatorship that kills us.”
[/blockquote] These are not nice people. The idolization of the noble savage in this situation is amusing, but dead wrong. And Deadly wrong. 

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/02/icc-sanctions-reversed-biden-478731]Biden lifts sanctions on International Criminal Court officials

[/link][b]The Biden administration, however, said it still opposes ICC efforts to investigate U.S. and Israeli actions.

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President joe Biden on Friday lifted sanctions and visa restrictions on officials of the International Criminal Court, reversing another foreign policy move by former President Donald Trump.
 
The Biden administration move will please human rights activists as well as many of Americas allies in Europe, a group Biden is determined to reconnect with in the wake of souring relations under Trump.

Still, the Biden administration, like other Republican and Democratic administrations in the past, remains wary of the ICC, whose jurisdiction the United States does not recognize. Just weeks ago, the U.S.
slammed the ICC for moving toward [link=https://www.icc-cpi.int/Pages/item.aspx?name=210303-prosecutor-statement-investigation-palestine]investigating Israels treatment of the Palestinians[/link], noting that Israel also does not submit to the courts jurisdiction. The Trump administration had imposed the penalties in part because of ICC efforts to investigate actions of the U.S. and other parties in Afghanistan.
 
We continue to disagree strongly with the ICC’s actions relating to the Afghanistan and Palestinian situations, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in a statement that announced an end to the sanctions. We maintain our longstanding objection to the Courts efforts to assert jurisdiction over personnel of non-States Parties such as the United States and Israel. We believe, however, that our concerns about these cases would be better addressed through engagement with all stakeholders in the ICC process rather than through the imposition of sanctions.

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