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  • Ortho shot dead

    Posted by afazio.uk_887 on July 13, 2023 at 8:58 am

    Ah the joys of clinical medicine. Shot dead in a clinic examination room. Two small kids under 5. Wtf

    [link=https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/orthopedic-surgeon-shot-to-death-by-patient-inside-campbell-clinic-police-say/article_022fb630-2023-11ee-a1d7-cf71bdf4c228.html]https://www.fox13memphis….a1d7-cf71bdf4c228.html[/link]

    satyanar replied 10 months, 2 weeks ago 31 Members · 138 Replies
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  • ruszja

    Member
    July 13, 2023 at 9:03 am

    A friend of mine lost his dad that way. Also an ortho.

    • Unknown Member

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      July 13, 2023 at 9:26 am

      ER docs and urologists have also been attacked at higher rates, if my memory serves. Healthcare workers are at elevated risk of being attacked. I used the studies on this for my good cause statement when applying for my CCW years ago.

      • william.wang_997

        Member
        July 13, 2023 at 12:04 pm

        I wouldn’t live in a republican state for many reasons, people carrying guns to settle scores is one of them. Will prefer Mozambique to a Republican state.

        • stlmchenry_510

          Member
          July 13, 2023 at 1:13 pm

          I dont think violence against physicians is dependent on the main party of the state. Its horrible and it happens in liberal states as well.

          • erasmopa

            Member
            July 13, 2023 at 1:27 pm

            Yeah, this could happen in any state. It is a sad commentary on our society in general. But it also reflects on how terribly physicians have lost control of our own narrative. All of the frustrations patients have with the health system get taken out on doctors and other providers even though those frustrations boil down to decisions made by insurers, healthcare admin and other scum who dont have to deal with the repercussions. Med mal system that teaches docs should be blamed and sued for everything doesnt help.

            • Unknown Member

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              July 13, 2023 at 2:15 pm

              USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

              • Unknown Member

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                July 13, 2023 at 2:16 pm

                Thoughts and prayers

                • Unknown Member

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                  July 13, 2023 at 2:19 pm

                  You people are fng nuts and in denial if you
                  Do not think republicans gun policy is at least partially responsible for this type of shooting

                  This does not happen in other countries

                  You are delusional as sheet if you think differently

                  • erasmopa

                    Member
                    July 13, 2023 at 3:24 pm

                    I think gun policies have everything to do with it. The statement that it would only happen in a red state sounded dumb to me. Plenty of cities are in blue states and have terrible gun violence.

                    • william.wang_997

                      Member
                      July 13, 2023 at 3:42 pm

                      Foremost among these studies is one produced by the Nationhood Lab at Salve Regina University’s Pell Center for International Relations and Public Policy, and first reported on in [link=https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/23/surprising-geography-of-gun-violence-00092413]Politico[/link]. After analyzing gun violence statistics from America’s different cultural regions from 2010 to 2020, the authors found that the areas with the highest rates of gun deaths were consistently those run by Republican politicians. Compared to a national rate of 11.4 gun deaths per 100,000 people, the Deep South had 15.6, Greater Appalachia had 13.5, New France (including the heavily French areas of Louisiana) had 19.8 and the Spanish Caribbean (the heavily Latino areas of Florida) had 11.6. Similarly the First Nation (referring to the heavily indigenous areas of Alaska) had 27.6 (by far the largest of any region studied) and the Far West had 12.2.
                       
                      This is a stark contrast to those regions in the predominantly Democratic Northeastern, Mid-Atlantic and Midwestern states: Yankeedom, consisting of New England, upstate New York and the northern parts of the Midwest, has a rate of 8.6 gun deaths per 100,000 people; the “New Netherlands,” which consists of New York City and its metropolitan area, has a rate of 3.8; the Left Coast has 9; Greater Polynesia, or Hawaii, has 3.5; El Norte, or the American Southwest, has 10; and both the Midlands and Tidewater regions, which include the Delaware River valley and Chesapeake Bay areas as well as parts of Virginia, then stretching through the Ohio River Valley and other parts of the Midwest, have rates of 10.9. (It is important to note that some of these regions are much more highly populated than others.) All of those gun death rates are lower than the national average of 11.4 gun deaths per 100,000 people.
                       
                      “The Deep South is the most deadly of the large regions at 15.6 per 100,000 residents followed by Greater Appalachia at 13.5,” explained Colin Woodard, director of the Nationhood Lab, in his Politico article breaking down the significance of the results. “That’s triple and quadruple the rate of New Netherlands the most densely populated part of the continent which has a rate of 3.8, which is comparable to that of Switzerland. Yankeedom is the next safest at 8.6, which is about half that of Deep South, and Left Coast follows closely behind at 9.”
                       

                    • nelson33.jn

                      Member
                      July 13, 2023 at 4:26 pm

                      Correlation (republican versus democrat ) does not imply causation. Isnt the study, basically saying gun violence is predominantly, determined by the culture, mores, and attitudes of different groups of people? 

                    • smfst7_929

                      Member
                      July 13, 2023 at 4:32 pm

                      Chicago has strict gun laws and is a lib hell hole with gang bangers blowing people away with gun tricked out to shoot like automatic weapons. Lib policies on crime have gotten us here.

                    • mwakamiya

                      Member
                      July 15, 2023 at 5:12 pm

                      First and foremost:
                       
                      Condolences to this doc’s family and friends — obviously tragic and crazy/unnecessary no matter how you look at it. 
                       
                      On another note besides Chicago — take a look at Philadelphia, the so called “City of Brotherly love.”
                      People there will kill you for a 40 oz Bulldog and a pack of cigarettes.  Also they will puporsely shoot you in the lower abdomen/pelvis so you need a colostomy the rest of your life. 

                    • mwakamiya

                      Member
                      July 15, 2023 at 5:44 pm

                      “Other G-20 countries are so ahead of the USA and do not allow guns.  They are the beacons of safety, rule of law and well behaved citizenry.
                       
                      —-Errr, France anyone?

            • poymd25

              Member
              July 18, 2023 at 1:50 am

              any state of the United States you mean. Comparatively rare in most other OECD countries of course. 

          • mgmacielendocrino_912

            Member
            July 14, 2023 at 11:37 am

            Quote from Picasso01

            I dont think violence against physicians is dependent on the main party of the state. Its horrible and it happens in liberal states as well.

            Does gun violence specifically happen in liberal states at the same frequency as republican states? I’d bet that it doesn’t but would be happy to see statistics if you have any.  I think you statement is trying to sweep under the rug the differences that exist in gun violence in red vs blue states.  Easier access to guns leads to more gun violence throughout the world.

        • ruszja

          Member
          July 13, 2023 at 4:38 pm

          Quote from RADD2010

          I wouldn’t live in a republican state for many reasons, people carrying guns to settle scores is one of them. Will prefer Mozambique to a Republican state.

          Friends dad was killed in the bluest of blue state with at the time the most restrictive gun control laws. Criminals don’t care.

          • nelson33.jn

            Member
            July 13, 2023 at 4:45 pm

            Gun control laws generally dont work for two reasons. Number one, they are not enforcing anti gun running laws and the penalty for gun running isnt severe enough. And two, criminals dont give two shts about state gun laws – they will carry and use guns regardless. Again partly because the penalty against gun crimes, particularly in liberal areas, is woefully inadequate. 

            • ngunesen

              Member
              July 13, 2023 at 6:05 pm

              The NRA I grew up with supported safe use of guns for hunting and home protection. The NRA I left was more interested in enabling gun manufacturers peddling as many guns as possible (of any type). It isn’t a mystery why we are here. The genie is out of the bottle and will not go back in.

              • tom.claikens_334

                Member
                July 13, 2023 at 6:18 pm

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                • Unknown Member

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                  July 13, 2023 at 11:19 pm

                  Only in Merica

                  • Unknown Member

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                    July 13, 2023 at 11:27 pm

                    You are absolutely delusional if you dont think United States gun policy is not causing this type of violence

                    Other countries may have one mass shooting every few years

                    We have 3-4 a day

                    Its so bad in our country that our kids who are now protected against wokism and transgenders are experts in active shooter drills

                    But you arsehats are fixated on Chicago and debating why gun control does not work

                    Well arsehat its works pretty fng well
                    In other countries

                    • ruszja

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 4:58 am

                      Quote from Chirorad84

                      You are absolutely delusional if you dont think United States gun policy is not causing this type of violence

                      Other countries may have one mass shooting every few years

                      We have 3-4 a day

                      Its so bad in our country that our kids who are now protected against wokism and transgenders are experts in active shooter drills

                      But you arsehats are fixated on Chicago and debating why gun control does not work

                      Well arsehat its works pretty fng well
                      In other countries

                      I see, ‘drunk uncle’ showed up.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 14, 2023 at 5:14 am

                      Only some of the absolute morons on this forum could take a tragic death of a fellow physician and turn it into a political debate.  
                       
                      I’m embarrassed for and by you.

                    • kaldridgewv2211

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 6:41 am

                      There was an attempt on Ortho here in Cleveland. 
                       
                      [link=https://www.clevescene.com/news/clevelands-most-fascinating-medical-stories-the-doctor-who-became-the-patient-after-being-shot-39314956]https://www.clevescene.co…er-being-shot-39314956[/link]
                       
                      Im going to kill you because you killed my mother, said the masked former patient of Dr. Marsolais. Seconds later, after Marsolais felt the gravity of the words and refused to enter into an exam room that would have further isolated the two, the assailant shot Dr. Marsolais. He stumbled backwards, a pain in his abdomen blunted by the surge of focus on survival. Dr. Marsolais had never before been in a fight  athletics not a trajectory in his life due to his prosthetic leg. But now, blood pooled under the two men as they found themselves in a tangle, punches and lunges leading them to the ground. The mask had fallen off the assailant as he fought to get free from under the doctor. Marsolais didnt recognize the man, but there he was, pointing a gun up at Marsolais head. Only a split second was the difference between life and death, Marsolais hitting the mans arm as the second bullet grazed the doctors scalp.

                      Dr. Marsolais woke up in an ICU room to a representative of his department informing him that they were worried about the optics of the situation: a doctor fighting a patient. His friend, a surgeon, had just operated on him, removing the remnants of his gallbladder and sewing up his guts. The exit wound was so severe it would remain open for days, too gaping to stitch together.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 6:46 am

                      That attack on Marsolais happened about 50 ft from my office.

                    • kaldridgewv2211

                      Member
                      July 18, 2023 at 12:40 pm

                      Quote from dergon

                      That attack on Marsolais happened about 50 ft from my office.

                      No doubt.  There’s been some crazy stuff happening lately too.  Someone was help up at gun point recently in the first floor bathroom of your building.  
                       
                       

                    • smfst7_929

                      Member
                      July 18, 2023 at 12:44 pm

                      Frumi is the ultimate troll. Dude is not even a rad. Probably a tinfoil hat liberal retired since 2002 from a union job

                    • cpmolnar

                      Member
                      July 18, 2023 at 2:16 pm

                      Quote from sartoriusBIG

                      Frumi is the ultimate troll. Dude is not even a rad. Probably a tinfoil hat liberal retired since 2002 from a union job

                      Trolls know trolls.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      July 22, 2023 at 3:54 pm

                      Quote from samichlaus

                      Quote from sartoriusBIG

                      Frumi is the ultimate troll. Dude is not even a rad. Probably a tinfoil hat liberal retired since 2002 from a union job

                      Trolls know trolls.

                      Just read this. The only possible answer is:
                       
                      This Dude abides.
                       

                       
                       

                    • mildenp

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 6:46 am

                      So sad.

                      This could happen anywhere but

                      Unfortunately the pandemic era (and trump era) accelerated anti physician/anti science beliefs amongst ignorant aggressive morons (mostly white men) who are the same people who cling to guns. This may not have played a role here but there were lots of aggressive patient encounters in our hospitals during the pandemic.

                    • afazio.uk_887

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 7:06 am

                      Best to avoid other humans if possible LOL

                    • nelson33.jn

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 8:53 am

                      Quote from wernicke

                      So sad.

                      This could happen anywhere but

                      Unfortunately the pandemic era (and trump era) accelerated anti physician/anti science beliefs amongst ignorant aggressive morons (mostly white men) who are the same people who cling to guns. This may not have played a role here but there were lots of aggressive patient encounters in our hospitals during the pandemic.

                      You are badly brainwashed and  need to stop listening to NPR and CNN so much.
                       
                      The vast majority of gun violence is committed by non-white people against non-white victims in non-white areas. why dont you look at FBI statistics before spouting such nonsense.
                       
                      by the way, the suspect in the killing is a non-white suspect. But you wouldnt know that by the news media, would you?
                       
                       
                       

                    • nelson33.jn

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 8:53 am

                      Quote from wernicke

                      So sad.

                      This could happen anywhere but

                      Unfortunately the pandemic era (and trump era) accelerated anti physician/anti science beliefs amongst ignorant aggressive morons (mostly white men) who are the same people who cling to guns. This may not have played a role here but there were lots of aggressive patient encounters in our hospitals during the pandemic.

                      You are badly brainwashed and  need to stop listening to NPR and CNN so much.
                       
                      The vast majority of gun violence is committed by non-white people against non-white victims in non-white areas. why dont you look at FBI statistics before spouting such nonsense.
                       
                      by the way, the suspect in the killing is a non-white suspect. But you wouldnt know that by the news media, would you?
                       
                       
                       

                    • william.wang_997

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 9:29 am

                      Why does a man need a gun.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 14, 2023 at 10:11 am

                      One perspective. I dont think everyone should have or need guns.

                      In 2023, in parts of the US – not talking Japan or Sweden or philosophically – there are places where someone would reasonably want a gun. Its just not safe in some places, and the immediate cure is sometimes the same as the disease.

                      I live in a neighborhood with $2-3M+ homes. A few years ago someone tried to kick in my front door while we were home and telling them we had called the police. Mental illness. They proceeded to break into my car on the street to find the garage door opener, which they found and opened the garage and rushed in and I raced him to the door leading from garage into house which I had kept unlocked. I locked it from the inside 1 second before before they pulled on the handle from the garage side. I had a gun in the other hand and told him so and was mentally preparing to shoot them if they came around back to launch one of my metal patio chairs through the glass sliding door. They did not.

                      Id owned a handgun for 20 years up to that point and did not have a good reason for owning one, always lived in nice places and I am not a small or weak guy. I wasnt proficient with it and didnt have CCW. This was a very uncommon occurrence for my neighborhood and you could say I was unlucky. No matter. I see it as insurance against unlikely occurrences. So after that I trained and trained and got CCW and started teaching beginner classes at some point. At this point, I feel very comfortable drawing from concealment and putting three rounds into a 6 inch target at 25 feet in a few seconds, it is not some great feat. I bring my firearm when I travel and its not far from me. Like opposable thumbs, I can live without it but Id feel naked at this point without it, its just an extension of my abilities.

                      Im a democrat and try to do my part to vote for gun control legislation and I do everything legally and jump through all the hoops that criminals do not in procuring firearms or illegally carrying a knife. But so long as the law allows me to and before those legal gaps are closed off, Id rather be prepared than not. CCW and gunslinging is only a small part and last resort of prepared. We rely on human skills for situational awareness and smart decisions about where to park and when to cross the street to avoid trouble and when to stay in at night instead of go out, of having and being trained in using pepper spray, of being able to grapple a 250 lb resisting male on concrete and getting a few scraps but winding up on top. Guns – or anti-guns – need not be a cultural identity the way its become for some. Its just one practical tool and ability on a spectrum of things some of us do as Americans, like malpractice insurance, fee for service medicine, or four years of undergrad before med school, which may be foreign (and stupid) to people in other countries who have no need for them.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 14, 2023 at 11:37 am

                      What other G-20 countries have our gun violence issues

                    • Zuleyka

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 12:09 pm

                      Thoughts and prayers

                      Next

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 14, 2023 at 12:43 pm

                      There are studies that show looser gun laws are correlated with more gun violence. This is not necessarily an effective argument against gun rights advocates- as their goal may be greater personal autonomy to have a protective tool for themselves, not an overall decrease in societal gun deaths, which is not the same thing. Statistically, a handgun in the house is 22x more likely to result in an undesired death (suicide about half of those, negligent discharge, use in a crime) than a defensive shooting. Which also is not what it seems, as it presumes that someone must be killed for the gun to have a desired effective, when a majority of positive defensive uses – defensive display or missed shot – result in successful deterrence without killing another person. But the point is that for some it is a matter of principle, like feeling safer driving your own car, rather than having an automated car drive you, that is independent of the statistics of whether it is safer for the car to drive you or not. Yes one can be safer objectively; yes one can feel safer with the less safe option – both can be simultaneously true, as we are human and not Spock from Star Trek.

                    • Zuleyka

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 12:56 pm

                      Obviously theres a problem with gun violence in the USA.

                      Of course its multi factorial.

                      It is my opinion that it does not make sense to me that citizens can walk around with loaded guns going about their business. It is screwed up that some people feel the need to do this and it is screwed up that it is allowed, in a civilized country.

                    • afazio.uk_887

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 12:59 pm

                      Yeah it is silly when you hear the mental health argument from the GOP.

                      Bottom line this problem could be solved, as it only exists in the US.

                      Mental health problems are everywhere.

                    • Zuleyka

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 1:04 pm

                      And hand guns are made for killing. They aint no good for nothing else.

                    • ruszja

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 1:17 pm

                      Quote from TripleJumper

                      And hand guns are made for killing. They aint no good for nothing else.

                      In many states you can hunt with handguns. But the kind of handguns used for that are not very practical for self defense (typically long barreled revolvers or single shot pistols).

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 14, 2023 at 1:29 pm

                      Many people are saying

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 14, 2023 at 1:30 pm

                      The fng board legal expert speaks about handguns for hunting

                      The Rudy guliani of aunt Minnie

                      Fng assshat

                    • Zuleyka

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 1:32 pm

                      Ok

                      I hear you

                      I grew up hunting deer, ducks, geese, bear and pheasants. There seriously is no need to hunt with a hand gun. It doesnt help. My father used to try it with deer and it sucjed.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 14, 2023 at 1:39 pm

                      So we are now hunting whitetail deer with glocks

                      Merica

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 14, 2023 at 2:12 pm

                      Its embarrassing arguing with these idiots

                      There pathetic justification is second to none

                      So far weve heard

                      some studies suggest

                      – some states use handguns for hunting

                      Absolutely no response to what G-20 countries have similar gun violence

                      Absolutely no response to the drunk uncle with his eyes open

                    • william.wang_997

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 2:49 pm

                      I still don’t understand why pretty much everyone in Republicans states is allowed to carry handguns. 
                       
                      [link=https://www.forbes.com/sites/ariannajohnson/2023/04/28/red-states-have-higher-gun-death-rates-than-blue-states-heres-why/] Red States Have Higher Gun Death Rates Than Blue …[/h3]

                      Forbes [link]https://www.forbes.com [/link] ariannajohnson 2023/04/28

                      [/link]

                      Apr 28, 2023  Fifteen of the 20 states with the highest firearm mortality rates are led by Republicans.

                       

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 14, 2023 at 2:53 pm

                      still don’t understand why pretty much everyone in Republicans states is allowed to carry handguns

                      fw says for hunting

                      Many people are saying

                    • Zuleyka

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 2:56 pm

                      Its the second amendment, but there are no more redcoats and if a citizens brigade got into a battle with a tyrannical government the brigade would be shredded to smitherines if it came to a firefight.

                      I dont get it either

                    • ruszja

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 3:58 pm

                      Quote from RADD2010

                      I still don’t understand why pretty much everyone in Republicans states is allowed to carry handguns.

                      Because there is a law that says you can. No individual justification necessary.

                      Just like ‘founding a newspaper’ or exercising the right to pray to the god of your choice. It’s just one of those things you can do without having to ask the crown for permission.

                    • ruszja

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 4:09 pm

                      Quote from Chirorad84

                      So we are now hunting whitetail deer with glocks

                      Most states that allow handgun hunting require higher muzzle energies than what is available in a semi. One of the 10mm variants would probably work.
                      Handgun hunting is more like bow hunting. You need to get really close in. Some like that challenge.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 14, 2023 at 10:39 pm

                      Yes

                      Happens all the time

                      Taking a 12 point with a 357

                      Yes only in Merica

                    • ruszja

                      Member
                      July 14, 2023 at 11:53 pm

                      Quote from Chirorad84

                      Yes

                      Happens all the time

                      Taking a 12 point with a 357

                      Yes only in Merica

                      That’s at the lower end of what is allowable. Of course every state reinvents the wheel. Some places .357 is ok from a revolver but not a rifle and vice versa. Some require 400ftlbs energy at 50 yards others specify 600ftlbs at the muzzle for a handgun but don’t have such a requirement when it’s a ‘straight walled rifle cartridge’.
                      It’s a niche thing. The ‘handguns’ used are usually revolvers with 6in barrels, sometimes with a scope or holographic sight. Some hunters like AR-15based pistols (not sure why probably because they know it riles up the ignorant Karens like chirorad).

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 15, 2023 at 1:16 am

                      Okay so instead of answering a legitimate question like which G-20 countries have our scale of gun violence issue you stoop to creating ridiculous arguments such as using a handgun or an assault rifle for hunting in order to Own the libs

                      Assshats

                      Like I said show me any G-20 country with our gun violence issue

                      You cant

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 15, 2023 at 8:16 pm

                      I dont think guns are the issue. Own 1000 if you want, maybe even assault rifles.

                      Mental illness is also not the problem. If it was, it would be unsolvable anyway.

                      The problem is the paranoia that exists amongst much of our population that their guns will be taken away or the government is going to come after them.

                      We need way stricter gun laws nationwide. You should have training and licensing if you own a gun. Your guns should be registered with the state. You should have to account for your guns on a regular basis and attest to the government that they are kept securely in your residence. If you lose or sell your gun it should be reported to the government. If you are negligent and your gun is used in a crime by someone other than you well than you also may be liable.

                      What to do about the hundreds of millions of guns already in circulation? Maybe a buy back program but its irrelevant cause none of the above will ever happen.

                      This is a governmental and cultural failure that is a stain on our nation.

                    • smfst7_929

                      Member
                      July 15, 2023 at 9:23 pm

                      Democrats are to blame. They encourage lawlessness and reward criminals. Look at San Fran with their open drug scenes etc etc.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 15, 2023 at 10:02 pm

                      France vs US

                      in France, the rate is about 0.15 per 100,000, whereas it is about 4.5 per 100,000 in the United States. That is thirty times more.

                    • andy.lippman_422

                      Member
                      July 15, 2023 at 10:08 pm

                      Quote from dr77767

                      I dont think guns are the issue. Own 1000 if you want, maybe even assault rifles.

                      Mental illness is also not the problem. If it was, it would be unsolvable anyway.

                      The problem is the paranoia that exists amongst much of our population that their guns will be taken away or the government is going to come after them.

                      We need way stricter gun laws nationwide. You should have training and licensing if you own a gun. Your guns should be registered with the state. You should have to account for your guns on a regular basis and attest to the government that they are kept securely in your residence. If you lose or sell your gun it should be reported to the government. If you are negligent and your gun is used in a crime by someone other than you well than you also may be liable.

                      What to do about the hundreds of millions of guns already in circulation? Maybe a buy back program but its irrelevant cause none of the above will ever happen.

                      This is a governmental and cultural failure that is a stain on our nation.

                       
                      This is probably the most accurate take in this thread.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      July 16, 2023 at 3:26 am

                      Quote from nighthawker

                      Quote from dr77767

                      I dont think guns are the issue. Own 1000 if you want, maybe even assault rifles.

                      Mental illness is also not the problem. If it was, it would be unsolvable anyway.

                      The problem is the paranoia that exists amongst much of our population that their guns will be taken away or the government is going to come after them.

                      We need way stricter gun laws nationwide. You should have training and licensing if you own a gun. Your guns should be registered with the state. You should have to account for your guns on a regular basis and attest to the government that they are kept securely in your residence. If you lose or sell your gun it should be reported to the government. If you are negligent and your gun is used in a crime by someone other than you well than you also may be liable.

                      What to do about the hundreds of millions of guns already in circulation? Maybe a buy back program but its irrelevant cause none of the above will ever happen.

                      This is a governmental and cultural failure that is a stain on our nation.

                      This is probably the most accurate take in this thread.

                       
                      Agree. Guns should be regulated like cars.
                       

                      Each one licensed by the state with a vin number

                      Mandatory training and testing get a license

                      Retesting at regular intervals

                      Mandatory liability insurance

                      Notice to the state of all transfers/sales

                      If you want to drive the big rigs you need additional certification

                      Etc
                       
                       
                       
                      A federal buy-back program would also be a great idea.
                       
                       

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 16, 2023 at 5:09 am

                      Truck drivers also pay taxes for the damage their rigs do to infrastructure

                    • Zuleyka

                      Member
                      July 16, 2023 at 8:58 am

                      My Norwegian father-in-law passed away. About 3 months after he died, my wife received a phone call from a government beaurocrat asking where his guns are. She had to commisserate with her brother and then call back and account for all the guns and her brother had to account as well. In the off-season, when not hunting, the guns are stored at a local armory.
                       
                      No one is walking around with guns there. And they had their butts kicked for centuries by both the Danes and the Swedes. And the Nazi’s occupied parts of the country in WWII.  Its not as if there is not precedent for having their country occupied.
                       
                      People are more reasonable and civilized there, I have observed when I have been there, and far more trusting of others.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 16, 2023 at 10:03 am

                      Dragon and dr77767, I think these are great points / ideas.

                      Not directly stated but implied are that ghost guns – guns built at home from parts and unregistered have to be universally banned and anyone found with one, especially in the setting of a crime, needs some massive punishment.

                      The educational requirement idea is huge. Guns are easier to own and carry than to drive a car. How is that reasonable? With a car, you need to pass a driving test. Many states have no qualification (performance test) for legal carry, and the kens that do like mine, are a joke and meant yo he passed by someone with almost zero training. Imagine a society where ownership – not legal carry but ownership – requires a rigorous gun safety and performance course that is in the evenings and is 3 months long, eg 60 hours long, paid for by the consumer at a cost of, say, $3000. Fluent operation, addressing misfires and double feeds, emergency and tactical reloads, shooting from retention, low light, no light (flashlight), move and shoot, and timed qualification like 1.5 second drawing from concealment and one shot placed in an 8 inch circle at 21-25 feet (considered a benchmark for defensive fire). All these are already taught to a small number of people in Advanced CCW classes, by small number I mean maybe a 500 people in a busy metro area of 3 million who are willing to spend the time and effort to become proficient armed defenders on their own dime (versus Law enforcement and military where the government will pay for you $1000-$30,000+ annual ammunition costs).

                      Things Ive read about other countries indicate to me that the higher level training is required for gun ownership, the more responsible the group of qualified owners become. Thugs and criminals and many average people (tough luck) are not able to sit in classrooms for long hours over months and take difficult exams, or train at home doing exercises and then train on the range over days and weeks and months. I cant find me a single student who will go to the range every other week even, most people dont want it that much and have better things to do. The ones that will train to a high level and willing to invest the time and money tend to be extremely squared away and competent. Will it eliminate 100% criminals and psychos? No. But it will radically improve the situation.

                      Most importantly, these requirements can be gradually pushed through as to boil the frog slowly. Any change that is going to be successfully passed must be incremental and gradual. Im not its not going to be an uphill fight from the right but it will be more possible and have more allies – based in the gun owners and gun instructors I know – than the current approach of lets ban this category of guns outright. That is a non starter and a rallying cry for a large segment of the population who sees the principle of gun ownership to be sacred and a something that defines them and their families, especially many with law enforcement or military backgrounds. We need to ensure all those willing to be trained to very high degree still be allowed to own and carry guns – and anyone caught with a gun who is not authorized be legally crucified. This seem fantastical and utopian but it is the only possible path forward in my own opinion, the current approach of the democrats are either completely unacceptable to a large portion of the population (banning all handguns or banning semiautomatic rifles) or completely useless, eg not allowing certain feature like a pistol type grips in rifles or adjustable stocks.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 16, 2023 at 10:49 am

                      Or

                      We can mentally masturbate the issue into nonrelavence and oblivion

                      Instead of just calling a fng spade a fng spade

                      Such Bullsheet bluster

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 16, 2023 at 10:50 am

                      Fng pu$$ies

                      Never really defended yourself or buddies

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 16, 2023 at 11:48 am

                      Here comes the insults again. This is an anonymous forum, but based on prior discussions here that all have witnessed, that Chirorad is the fng pu$$y hiding behind a keyboard and wont show up is one of the very few things we can say with some confidence.

                      Never really defended yourself or your buddies suggests you scuffled at some time in the past, good for you. Tell me if Im wrong: you havent trained in any sort of fighting or shooting for more than 6 months in the past ten years; and in the same amount of time, you havent left your house after dark to back up your guys where they are outnumbered. Tell me if Im wrong, Ill believe you.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 16, 2023 at 12:26 pm

                      I served my time in the Air Force proudly

                      I may not have been sweeping the streets or in direct house to house clearing but I have had gunshots flying over my head more than a dozen times and pulled a lot of better men than you out of tight spots that you couldnt even fathom

                      I dont need a gun or to claim Im a 40 something yr old barbell weight lifter who is now an MMA fighter wannabe to prove anything

                      Honestly I dont

                      My service is proof enough

                      Put the towel back on your head and STFU

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 16, 2023 at 12:41 pm

                      And the insult was in my pm to you

                      Me calling you out for mentally masturbating the gun issue issue into oblivion and calling you a pu$$y is the gods honest truth

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      July 16, 2023 at 12:57 pm

                      Hahahaha. Chiro making Frumi look reasonable. Hiding behind the insult was in a PM? Yes, explains the behavior completely. No indication of who you are as a person.

                      Actually Frumi is making a lot of sense on this thread.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 16, 2023 at 1:10 pm

                      the insult was in a PM?

                      Would you like to me tell you what I said to him in the PM

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 16, 2023 at 1:11 pm

                      I told him I would skull Fck his Muslim ass

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      July 16, 2023 at 1:21 pm

                      Id rather not see any more of your posts. At least until you can avoid insulting people as the key part of your approach. So the answer is no. Im glad you put it in a PM.

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      July 16, 2023 at 1:22 pm

                      Wow. QED.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 16, 2023 at 1:24 pm

                      You asked

                    • g.giancaspro_108

                      Member
                      July 16, 2023 at 1:35 pm

                      In case anyone doesn’t know, they can hover over a poster’s screen name and select “block” to prevent seeing their posts.
                       
                       

                      Quote from Thread Enhancer

                      Id rather not see any more of your posts. At least until you can avoid insulting people as the key part of your approach. So the answer is no. Im glad you put it in a PM.

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      July 16, 2023 at 1:41 pm

                      I know how to block posters. I choose not to because I am always hoping people improve their behavior. Id hate to miss a real improvement. Most of the time I can ignore posts. Occasionally its so egregious it deserves comment.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 16, 2023 at 1:55 pm

                      Feel free to block

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      July 16, 2023 at 2:31 pm

                      No need. Im happy when I see you act like a decent person. I guess I feel smug when you make a fool of yourself. I wouldnt want to avoid either of those feelings.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 16, 2023 at 2:56 pm

                      I have him blocked so probably dont receive his PMs. I click on his posts once in a while.

                      Chirorad, I respect and thank your service to the country in the Air Force. You are the only one here spewing insults, and its weak that you are calling out others when you wont back it up. Ive previously tried to coordinate a meet up with you over PM , either close to me or close to you at my cost, to call you bluff & bluster. I have never claimed to be an MMA fighter or tough guy, Im just a guy who trains and will show up when I say I will. If you are serious and have changed your mind, Ill unblock you and we can coordinate, youll see I am reasonable and will work with you to find a setting for a friendly meet up in a supervised setting at my cost. If you are not interested, that is fine and wise, just quit with the bluster and insults because you look like a fool to everyone. Be nice for your own sake and not the sake of some towelhead, as you put it.

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      July 16, 2023 at 3:03 pm

                      It did give me a hint of satisfaction that chiro removed the insult he sent in the PM. Well maybe a moderator removed. It was a pretty horrific example of his state of mind. Nobody should have to see that. Especially the target.

                      And no, I didnt ask. Artifact of poor punctuation. Should have been the insult was in a PM? I was questioning that chiro made the statement as though it somehow absolved him of his poor behavior.

                    • g.giancaspro_108

                      Member
                      July 16, 2023 at 3:17 pm

                      Well now my curiosity is piqued.  What was the insult?

                    • mariana.gonzalez_122

                      Member
                      July 16, 2023 at 4:10 pm

                      I will say an armed population is trouble for an invading army though. Reading a book about Afghanistan from 79 to 2001 and what guerrilas that are lightly armed can do to a massive army. Not trying to make a stand on the gun control issue but the soviets were sure they could crush the opposition like they had in Europe but abundance of small arms made it difficult. I’m early in the book so maybe cia and Pakistani stingers and RPGs will be the key, but so far it’s enfields and aks.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      July 16, 2023 at 4:37 pm

                      Quote from touchingcotton

                      I will say an armed population is trouble for an invading army though. Reading a book about Afghanistan from 79 to 2001 and what guerrilas that are lightly armed can do to a massive army. Not trying to make a stand on the gun control issue but the soviets were sure they could crush the opposition like they had in Europe but abundance of small arms made it difficult. I’m early in the book so maybe cia and Pakistani stingers and RPGs will be the key, but so far it’s enfields and aks.

                      Is anyone expecting an invasion requiring an armed populace to resist?
                       
                      I’m not. I am not anticipating Red Dawn. Nor do I believe the Founders wrote the 2nd amendment to make it “legal” to overthrow the American government.
                       
                      Besides, the armed populace of Afghanistan and Iraq do not exactly fill me with envy about how tough they are. Their countries are not exactly stable. I think guns add to that instability.
                       
                      Right now some armed Americans are the dangerous ones to other Americans, murdering girls lost on someone’s driveway for instance or murdering someone asking directions at a person’s door.
                       
                       
                       

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 16, 2023 at 10:10 pm

                      Does it make you feel good claiming someone will not meet up with you by flying hundreds of miles to a place that i
                      dont know exist in order to grapple with you

                      Did you win that internet fight???

                      look as I said before flounce- you are a 40 something nerd all your life who one day decides to go on some sort of self improvement program so you start barbell weightlifting ( by the way a stupid fng way to say lifting weights). You also take up a martial art and all of a sudden you become Rhonda Rousey and think you are a bad arse

                      It doesnt work that way

                      Again if you are ever in or near boulder Co let me know we will meet up and I will knock the rag off your head

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 16, 2023 at 10:50 pm

                      To quote your message above:  “Again if you are ever in or near boulder Co let me know we will meet up and I will knock the rag off your head”

                      Sure. Say I happen to be in Boulder on PM either of Sept 9th or 23rd? Any preference?
                       
                      And please – if you do pick a date and I message you on that date that I’m in town and give you a location of a gym in either Boulder or Broomfield where I’ve made arrangements for a friendly meetup – please don’t ghost me. 
                       
                       

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 16, 2023 at 11:57 pm

                      Again Just let me know

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 17, 2023 at 12:07 am

                      You have to pick a date.

                      Im the one traveling and cant afford to have you later say, I was out of town. My guys dont think you are going to show. Pick either 9/9 or 9/23 or another Saturday PM that I can hold you to if you are serious and not just jerking me around.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 17, 2023 at 1:34 am

                      Since you like to grapple Pick what ever day you prefer to have your towel shoved up your ass

                    • g.giancaspro_108

                      Member
                      July 17, 2023 at 12:21 pm

                      Be sure to tell us all the date.  Some would like to watch this.

                    • smfst7_929

                      Member
                      July 17, 2023 at 12:55 pm

                      I imagine chirorad as a 5 foot 5 pizz ant who has biceps the size of a 14 year old.

                    • ruszja

                      Member
                      July 17, 2023 at 1:17 pm

                      He’s gonna be a no-show. Flight got cancelled, Uber got lost, something like that.

                    • adrianoal

                      Member
                      July 17, 2023 at 1:30 pm

                      (1) 99% no one shows up and CR makes fun of Flounce for flying out there and wasting money b/c of losing temper to an internet nut job
                      (2) 1% CR finds someone who is tough and pays them to take their place
                       
                      Hope Flounce gets some perspective here– there are a zillion nut jobs on the internet. Don’t get drawn into something with one of them. There’s no end to it.
                       
                      CR is obviously a crazy loser with no life. I blocked him/her long ago, but based on this AM should kick them off (but they’d come back as someone else …)

                    • g.giancaspro_108

                      Member
                      July 17, 2023 at 1:33 pm

                      Not a lot of websites tolerate religion based hate posts like this.

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      July 17, 2023 at 1:22 pm

                      Quote from sandeep panga

                      Well now my curiosity is piqued.  What was the insult?

                       
                      Since he seems to be back, I’ll let chiro decide if he wants that level of embarrassment again. I will give a hint that there was another “towel” reference that has cultural importance and there was another example of penetrating a body orifice violently.
                       
                       
                       
                       
                       
                       

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      July 16, 2023 at 4:30 pm

                      My 2 cents.
                       
                      I have posted on AM forums for years and rather miss the routine everyday insults over differing opinions. However, this thread has devolved from the crime of a physician being murdered by a patient(?) to the discussion of a Musk/Zuckerberg MMA match.
                       
                      Really???
                       
                      I’ve had a poster tell me he could knife me before I could find the safety catch on a gun (being a Liberal, I am supposed to know sh1t about guns). Even though it was stated by a physician I dismissed it as chest-beating adolescent immaturity, no need to ask where to meet to see who is actually knifed or shot.
                       
                      No need to meet up for that MMA match either. No one’s masculinity is at stake here on AM forums. The truth is WTF cares? No ones “adult” ego should be that thin and frail.
                       
                      _________
                       
                      Back to the subject, I do not think it any sort of solution to have a physician seeing patients to ever be armed. I don’t want to get medical attention by someone wearing a sidearm unless we are in an active warzone. 
                       
                      American culture has become a bunch of male adolescents preening with guns, aching to use them. This is NOT Taxi Driver & we are not Travis Bickle. We are not in a movie. Even when Taxi Driver was made people did not feel it necessary to carry guns in public – “in case.” The solution is NOT more guns on the street in hands of stupid and/or dangerous people. Why is the 2nd amendment the ONLY right that is not subject to rational regulation? Speech is not unlimited nor is religion (although that might be changing if you are a conservative Catholic Christian) nor is any other right. Why guns cannot be regulated? How did this guy get a gun? I would be surprised to find the gun illegally obtained when you can basically walk out with a gun, no questions asked in many states. & now you can build a kit.
                       
                      Our culture has become flucked up. We are not supposed to act like children playing deadly games. People’s lives are at stake.
                       
                       

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      July 17, 2023 at 1:46 pm

                      Quote from Frumious

                      No need to meet up for that MMA match either. No one’s masculinity is at stake here on AM forums. The truth is WTF cares? No ones “adult” ego should be that thin and frail.

                       
                      No they don’t. But it’s ok, this is the solution. 
                       
                      And I’m for abandoning ego BTW.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 17, 2023 at 2:46 pm

                      Does anyone know of a decent radiology conference in Boulder ?

                      Or anywhere in Colorado?

                      Might as well make this tax deductible and have an explanation for my wife.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 17, 2023 at 3:26 pm

                      It’s always funny to me how the non-rad trolls on this forum love to talk about how “I can’t believe a physician would say…” or “even though the threat came from a physician…”, while simultaneously making it very clear that the worst behaving POS trolls on this forum are always the non-rads. 
                       
                      Some non-rads on the forum are intelligent and well behaving of course, but of the trolls, 100% are nonrads. 
                       
                      Ya whether we are physicians or not, if you come onto an online forum and spew garbage and hate, you can expect to receive it in return.
                       
                      Can we ban them admin?

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      July 17, 2023 at 4:08 pm

                      I actually believe chiro when he says hes a rad so Im not completely sure about the theory. Trolls are trolls and they should be banned. Its not very hard to tell who they are.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      July 17, 2023 at 4:47 pm

                      Quote from Alwaysbereading

                      It’s always funny to me how the non-rad trolls on this forum love to talk about how “I can’t believe a physician would say…” or “even though the threat came from a physician…”, while simultaneously making it very clear that the worst behaving POS trolls on this forum are always the non-rads. 

                      Some non-rads on the forum are intelligent and well behaving of course, but of the trolls, 100% are nonrads. 

                      Definitely NOT my observation. I’ve been on AM since the days of Bush II and have definitely read some trolling and hostile opinions that came from rads. Not all necessarily trolls & trolling.
                       
                      It has been my observation however that the trolls, whether rads or not, have appeared more often since 2017 and especially since COVID. COVID especially seemed to have brought out the roaches from the damp woodwork; but you can’t prove that none or even few of them were rads. I offer the Scott Atlas as exhibit I that rads can be an idiotic as any medical layperson. Nothing special about med school to immunize against mis and dis-information beliefs.
                       
                      Do masks work? Vaccines? Ivermectin? Hydroxychloroquine? Government conspiracies to soften the populace?
                       
                      Yeah.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      July 17, 2023 at 4:52 pm

                      Don’t get it how this thread about a physician being murdered became some MMA site. I thought that was for immature billionaires.
                       

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      July 17, 2023 at 4:55 pm

                      We can thank one poster and their trolling.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 17, 2023 at 10:50 pm

                      Flounce wants a tax break to get his towel he wears on his head shoved up his ass

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 17, 2023 at 11:02 pm

                      40 plus yr old lifetime loser goes on self improvement plan

                      Becomes barbell weigh lifter

                      Then MMA fighter

                      Pays to get towel he wears in head shoved up ass

                      Priceless

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      July 18, 2023 at 1:24 am

                      Quote from Chirorad84

                      40 plus yr old lifetime loser goes on self improvement plan

                      Becomes barbell weigh lifter

                      Then MMA fighter

                      Pays to get towel he wears in head shoved up ass

                      Priceless

                       
                      Saving to learn who deleted the last one.  Maybe Chiron will have the guts to repeat what he said in the PM one more time and leave it there. Or maybe admin deleted it. That would be welcome. 

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      July 18, 2023 at 1:23 am

                      Quote from Chirorad84

                      Flounce wants a tax break to get his towel he wears on his head shoved up his ass

                       
                      QED

                    • g.giancaspro_108

                      Member
                      July 30, 2023 at 12:53 pm

                      Whatever happened with this?
                       
                       

                      Quote from Chirorad84

                      Flounce wants a tax break to get his towel he wears on his head shoved up his ass

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 30, 2023 at 1:19 pm

                      If Chiro will give me a Saturday or two in October or onwards, I’ll fly out to him to Boulder, CO and gladly give him the opportunity. If he thinks I am joking, he should post the dates he will be able to show up and I’ll let him know which day. 

                    • ruszja

                      Member
                      July 18, 2023 at 6:42 am

                      Quote from Frumious

                      Don’t get it how this thread about a physician being murdered became some MMA site. I thought that was for immature billionaires.

                      It started with people being unable to separate their politics from the discussion of this individual case. Things went downhill from there.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 18, 2023 at 7:09 am

                      Ya, I was including you in the nonrads trolling on here.

                      You may be right though some rads do troll as well difficult to seperate. But youre logic basically just seems to be republican = troll or anyone that disagrees = troll rather than actual intelligent discussions where people can disagree, and only those who resort to insults or name calling are trolls (you, based on your previous posts).

                      Scott Atlas tried to use actual data to inform decisions before he was canned. He was a data first type and they wanted someone to do something without any proof it works, so we got Fauci.

                      Do masks work? Hard to say but we can say that a cloth mask mandate does not work. Bangladesh RCT, DANMASK, and more recent data confirm. Show me a positive masking study that is a randomized controlled trial, preregistered as well.

                      Do vaccines work? Depends which dose and what population. Over 65 dose 1? Definitely. Under 10 dose 5? Definitely not. The 50/50 point is somewhere in between

                      No I dont believe ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine work based on the data.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      July 18, 2023 at 10:06 am

                      Pretzel logic.
                       
                      It depends is an explanation of nothing useful.
                       
                      Masks? It depends.
                       
                      Vaccines? It depends?
                       
                      Atlas used to be respected but now spouts political nonsense. Like General Flynn.
                       
                      If trolling is disagreeing with silly nonsense political posts, i am guilty as charged.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 18, 2023 at 10:20 am

                      anyone else having trouble with PMs? 

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      July 18, 2023 at 11:31 am

                      I was able to login so I sent one to you to see if it works.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 18, 2023 at 2:25 pm

                      Thanks, I received it. Did you get my response?

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      July 18, 2023 at 3:23 pm

                      Yes

                    • poymd25

                      Member
                      July 18, 2023 at 1:58 am

                      erm or you could just get rid of the guns. Y’know, for your children’s sake, like the rest of us countries did?

                    • tarabkamran_74

                      Member
                      July 18, 2023 at 6:15 am

                      Really sad what this thread has devolved into. 
                      Does it really make people feel better about themselves to hurl anonymous insults on an anonymous forum?

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 18, 2023 at 6:21 am

                      Chirorad is great at running his mouth. 
                       
                      Just to be clear, I didn’t lose my temper. I was not gratuitously insulting. Chirorad said I was a loser – I’m not repeating what he said – and that he’d kick my butt given the opportunity.  So I want to give him the opportunity. “Let’s see it.”
                       
                      I’m not claiming to be a tough a guy. Yes I’ve trained in both boxing and BJJ – mostly BJJ – on and off since around 2000 in the Mission district in San Francisco. But I’ve never said that I would beat Chirorad in a fight, only that I’d be happy to fight him given his claims and insults. For all I know, he is a Division 1 wrestler or pro boxer and can easily kick my butt. That’s totally fine with me, I get my butt kicked now and then, it’s just another day in training.
                       
                      I want him to pick a date so I know he is available when I’m there and no excuses; and to help establish ‘mutual combat’ under Colorado laws in case we meet up at a park or other public place, although I think I can find a gym to host it, maybe the Gracie Barra in Broomfield. Either way, no gloves.   
                       
                      I can’t find any radiology conferences in that area other that the January 2-5 CME Science Diagnostic Imaging update in Beaver Creek where all the lodging is expensive. 
                       
                      Chirorad, just pick up date or two, Saturday in October or onward. You can then run your mouth to my face instead of hiding behind your monitor. Bring your hospital ID or similar so I know you’re not sending someone else in your place, I’ll do the same. I have at least one friend who can come to make sure you don’t try anything funny. 

                    • ruszja

                      Member
                      July 16, 2023 at 1:01 pm

                      Drunk uncle in full on rage-o-rama again.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 14, 2023 at 1:08 pm

                      What other G-20 countries have our gun violence issues

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      July 15, 2023 at 4:59 am

                      Quote from TripleJumper

                      Obviously theres a problem with gun violence in the USA.

                      Of course its multi factorial.

                      It is my opinion that it does not make sense to me that citizens can walk around with loaded guns going about their business. It is screwed up that some people feel the need to do this and it is screwed up that it is allowed, in a civilized country.

                      Quote from Waduh Dong

                      Yeah it is silly when you hear the mental health argument from the GOP.

                      Bottom line this problem could be solved, as it only exists in the US.

                      Mental health problems are everywhere.

                       
                      One of the not-so-funny-but-dead-on headlines from the Onion from years ago:
                       
                      [b][link=https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527] ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens   [/link][/b]
                       
                      [link=https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527]
                      ISLA VISTA, CAIn the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place.
                       
                      This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and theres nothing anyone can do to stop them, said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the worlds deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations.
                       
                      Its a shame, but what can we do? There really wasnt anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if thats what he really wanted.
                       
                      At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as helpless.
                      [/link]
                       

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 15, 2023 at 12:34 pm

                      Agree with all, that it is unacceptable.
                       
                      The obvious source of this deadlocked state of affairs is that a sufficient number of individuals prize the Principle of being able to own and possibly carry a firearm legally over the public safety. They prize their own *sense* of safety or power – in having a firearm – over the societal consequences. 
                       
                      Many on the left think that if they could convince the other side that having more access to firearms results in greater gun-related deaths, then the other side would be forced to concede and support policies and politicians who will clamp down on gun ownership. But – and I was just at CCW renewal course last night – that is definitely NOT the case for the majority of gun owners and legally concealed carry licensees. They might claim that an armed public is safer, but when it comes down to it, even if they are convinced than an armed public is less safe, it doesn’t matter: they will still vote for policies and politicians who will allow them to own and carry concealed firearms, to expand the types of firearms they can own and carry, and to decrease the barriers to owning like a boyfriend who has been arrested for domestic violence once or twice should not be deprived of the ability to own a firearm etc. 
                       
                      As we live in a democracy (for better or for worse), we cannot move forward without a critical mass of elected politicians to support gun meaningful control legislation and there is no light at the end of that tunnel. If anything, the trends over the past 5-10 years has been one of loosening restrictions on gun ownership. 
                       
                      This is our destiny for the foreseeable future. I vote for gun control but I exercise my right and develop my ability to stay armed and protect myself within the limits of the law until we have a safer society like Japan, but I don’t have much confidence that day will come. 

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 15, 2023 at 1:06 pm

                      And again

                      What other G20 countries have are gun problem

                      And why?

                      Which countries allow open ownership of assault style rifles

                      Im not sure why many of you are openly fooling yourself

                      There is no changing your opinion because you just arent objective enough to admit you are wrong

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 15, 2023 at 1:07 pm

                      Thoughts and prayers

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 15, 2023 at 1:07 pm

                      Until it happens to you

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 15, 2023 at 1:10 pm

                      And again republican assshats on the board

                      Answer the question

                      What other G20 countries have our gun violence problem?

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 15, 2023 at 1:21 pm

                      Its so obvious. Strict gun control is needed.

                      The idea that one needs a gun to protect themselves directly relates to the fact that there are too many guns endangering everyone.

                      Protect your family with a shot gun at your home.

                      Automatic weapons, and pistols, are antipersonnel weapons and have no place in the hands of civilians. Period.

                      If you feel you are in need to carry a weapon, you are likely clinically paranoid.

                      Epidemiologically speaking, we need to get a grip on the epidemic of gun violence.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 15, 2023 at 2:12 pm

                      At least 4 people are dead after a shooting in Hampton, Georgia, Saturday morning, a county official says.

                      Hampton is a small city about 29 miles south of Atlanta in Henry County.

                      Yay USA USA USA

                      Need more handguns for hunting deer

                      Yay

                    • Zuleyka

                      Member
                      July 15, 2023 at 2:25 pm

                      Definitely, I am going to put one handgun on my waistband, one strapped to my calf, under pants leg, and one on forearm a la Robert DeNiro in Taxi Cab.
                       
                      Is carrying numerous firearms legal or are we limited to one?

                    • Zuleyka

                      Member
                      July 15, 2023 at 2:27 pm

                      Taxi Driver I mean
                       
                      I am delirious with gun-fever!
                       
                       

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 14, 2023 at 8:08 am

                      Yes the drunk uncle at least has his eyes open instead of the board legal expert who has his head up
                      Arse saying – just another shooting – thoughts and prayers- nothing to see here

                      Yes you have it all figured out

        • elenamartin

          Member
          July 30, 2023 at 3:05 pm

          Most gun violence isn’t caused by previously law abiding citizens. Any word if the firearm used was legally owned? The shooter apparently was diagnosed with schizophrenia, so I doubt it

          • Robbro524_990

            Member
            July 30, 2023 at 8:05 pm

            Flounce, even though we may disagree politically, if you get that dude to fly out to confront you, I swear that I’ll be there to stand with you. Just let me know.

            • Unknown Member

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              July 30, 2023 at 10:56 pm

              Thanks Docdawg, I appreciate it. He’s not interested in flying out here and that’s fine. I’m offering to fly out to where he is – in Boulder, CO he says – so he can make good on his claim, but I want to make sure he is available when I come out.   

              • buckeyeguy

                Member
                August 4, 2023 at 6:07 am

                Chiro proves that the left is unstable and always eats their own. Think of it, Flounce is a normal person, and left leaning in many ways, being a nice guy, and the leftist still had to try to ruin him for just being a thinker.
                 
                The left is disgusting and vile, and anyone who doesn’t realize that anything remotely related to their ideas, is a one way track to Chiro-madness. Just ask Bill Maher. Liberalism always leads to insanity, because they are self worshippers.
                 
                You can be a freedom lover and not a self worshipper or “I’m god” person. Guys like chiro believe in lies, which means they ultimately believe in subjective nonsense, which is why they eat up all this modern propaganda.

                • Zuleyka

                  Member
                  August 4, 2023 at 9:23 am

                  And the right is wonderful. You’ve convinced me DreamRun.

                • satyanar

                  Member
                  August 4, 2023 at 10:25 am

                  Quote from Dream Run

                  [b]Chiro proves[/b] that the left is unstable and always eats their own. Think of it, Flounce is a normal person, and left leaning in many ways, being a nice guy, and the leftist still had to try to ruin him for just being a thinker.

                   
                  Chiro does not prove anything other than he is what he is. It’s not hard for those of who watch or engage with him to tell what that it is. Flounce probably described it best.
                   
                  It really has nothing to do with left or right.