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  • On Public College Campuses…

    Posted by julie.young_645 on February 3, 2015 at 9:53 am

    [link=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/03/pro-palestinian-students-heckle-cal-davis-opponents-with-cries-allahu-akbar/]http://www.foxnews.com/us…th-cries-allahu-akbar/[/link]
     
    [blockquote]Anti-Israel activists at the University of California, Davis heckled Jewish students and shouted Allahu Akbar at them during a vote last week on a resolution endorsing a boycott of the Jewish state, according to video of the event obtained by the [i]Washington Free Beacon[/i].
    The commotion erupted late Thursday evening as pro-Israel students attempted to counter a student government resolution to divest from Israel as part of the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement.
    Activists waving Palestinian flags shouted at the Jewish and pro-Israel students as they left the meeting room ahead of an [link=http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/uc-davis-passes-divestment-resolution-five-other-campaigns-launched]eight to two vote in favor[/link] of the divestment resolution, which is part of a larger movement by anti-Israel groups to attack Israel and pro-Israel students on campus.
    Allahu Akhbar! a large group of activists shouted in unison as the pro-Israel students filed out of U.C. Davis meeting room, according to video provided by a member of Aggies for Israel, a pro-Israel student group at Davis.
    Following the vote, which was championed by the pro-Hamas group Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), unknown vandals [link=http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article8865731.html]spray-painted swastikas[/link] on a fraternity house belonging to the Jewish AEPi organization.
    Additionally, Azka Fayyaz, a member of the U.C. Davis student senate, posted on her Facebook page a triumphant message following the vote: Hamas & Sharia law have taken over UC Davis.
     
    [/blockquote] Are you gentlemen comfortable with this? Obviously, I am not. Free-speech is one thing, but hate-speech is another. You don’t see a BDS movement targeting ANY of the TRULY repressive regimes in the world, just against Israel.  Of course, the Politically-Correct Academic crowd looks the other way, if not actually encouraging the anti-Semitic actions (and yes, that is exactly what they are.)
     
    Think what would happen if someone sought out the Muslim students and called them some nasty names. Or got in the face of African American students and tossed out the “N” word. (Heck, careers have been destroyed over someone uttering the “N” word decades before.) The behavior wouldn’t be tolerated for a moment.
     
    But against Jews, it’s OK. Think about it.

    btomba_77 replied 1 year, 11 months ago 6 Members · 19 Replies
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  • kaldridgewv2211

    Member
    February 3, 2015 at 1:07 pm

    Seems like a non-event.  I’m not really making the connection between what the UC Davis support is for Israel.  I can understand that you have two different groups of people with opinions about Israel-Palestine relations.  The graffiti thing should be punished as a hate crime if they can figure out who did it.  

    • btomba_77

      Member
      February 3, 2015 at 2:05 pm

      Quote from DICOM_Dan

      Seems like a non-event.  I’m not really making the connection between what the UC Davis support is for Israel.  I can understand that you have two different groups of people with opinions about Israel-Palestine relations.  The graffiti thing should be punished as a hate crime if they can figure out who did it.  

      +1

      • eyoab2011_711

        Member
        February 3, 2015 at 4:48 pm

        We know Dalai your speech code is the only acceptable one.  You either accept broadly the concept of hate crimes or you don’t.  I tend to think the “hate” part of the crime is irrelevant: an act is legal or illegal.

        • julie.young_645

          Member
          February 4, 2015 at 7:37 am

          And you all simply prove my point. Had this been an issue of the White Students Union yelling the N-word, you would all be falling all over yourselves to condemn them. Quite the opposite, Thor, it is the PC speech code that dominates. Only your favored groups are allowed to have an opinion. Everyone else must shut up and go home.

          • kaldridgewv2211

            Member
            February 4, 2015 at 7:56 am

            Not really.  They yelled god is great, that doesn’t seem like the same thing as if they yelled the N word, or used some kind of Jewish slur.  Are a few UC Davis student activists really all that threatening to Jews?  I’m going to say no.  

            • julie.young_645

              Member
              February 4, 2015 at 9:33 am

              Dan, read the clip again and ponder a moment.

              • kaldridgewv2211

                Member
                February 4, 2015 at 10:00 am

                the only thing that seems truely negatives spray painting, and that’s by unknown vandals.  Better watch out for the UC Davis kids, they’re gonna get you.

              • eyoab2011_711

                Member
                February 4, 2015 at 10:00 am

                Had this been an issue of the White Students Union yelling the N-word, you would all be falling all over yourselves to condemn them.
                 
                –Or we wouldn’t be discussing it….funny I can’t recall you ever condemning the use of the n-word by a white student union…

                • julie.young_645

                  Member
                  February 4, 2015 at 10:02 am

                  You gents love word games..good way to dodge but it doesn’t portray you in a very good light. For the record, I [i]would [/i]condemn that, but I’d have to get in a very long line behind all the liberals.

                  • eyoab2011_711

                    Member
                    February 4, 2015 at 12:36 pm

                    It is not a word game  you previously complained that I don’t complain sufficiently about the acts of Muslims when complaining about Israel’s behavior…I am just turning it around

                    • julie.young_645

                      Member
                      February 4, 2015 at 2:07 pm

                      I didn’t complain because IT DOESN’T HAPPEN.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      February 4, 2015 at 9:10 pm

                      Thor must be a contortionist. I have never seen someone use double standards with such dexterity and shamelessness. Anything can be justified, as long as it is for the cause. Logic is a pretzel, to be molded for the cause. Facts are useful, only when parsed. Full-on Alzheimer’s when necessary, yet able to dig up remote minutiae to justify any liberal act. Truly a man In full possession of “deux poids”.

                      This charade is getting a little bit worn.

                    • eyoab2011_711

                      Member
                      February 5, 2015 at 10:21 am

                      Using an argument that Dalai constantly uses against me?  Nothing contortionist about it unless you are accusing him of a double standard

                    • vascular28_304

                      Member
                      February 5, 2015 at 10:52 am

                      “America is becoming a more tolerant nation, we are told. Each new thing that we learn to tolerate makes us more progressive. But tolerance is a relative thing. For every new thing we learn to tolerate, there is a thing that we must stop tolerating.

                      Tolerance does not usher in some tolerant anarchy in which we learn to tolerate all things. Rather tolerance is a finite substance. It can only be allocated to so many places. While a society changes, human beings do not fundamentally change. They remain creatures of habit, bound to the poles of things that they like and dislike, the people that they look up to and look down on.

                      The balance of tolerance and intolerance always remains the same no matter how progressive a society becomes. A tolerant society allocates its intolerance differently. There is no such thing as a universally tolerant society. Only a society that tolerates different things. A tolerant society does not cease being bigoted. It is bigoted in different ways.”
                       
                      …Tolerance is arrogant. A free society does not tolerate people, it allows them to live their own values. And a tolerant society is not free. It is a dictatorship of virtue that is intolerant toward established values in order to better tolerate formerly intolerable values.”
                       
                      “As a society we have come to celebrate the helplessness of victimhood and the empowerment of “speaking out” as the single most meaningful act to be found in a society that has become all talk. The new heroism is the assertion of some marginal identity, rather than the defense of a society in which all identities can exist. That is the difference between freedom and tolerance.”
                       
                      Sultan Knish
                      [link=http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-playgrounds-of-war.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FromNyToIsraelSultanRevealsTheStoriesBehindTheNews+%28from+NY+to+Israel+Sultan+Reveals+The+Stories+Behind+the+News%29]http://sultanknish.blogsp…ies+Behind+the+News%29[/link]
                       

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      July 27, 2020 at 4:42 pm

                      xxxxxx

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      July 27, 2020 at 4:42 pm

                      [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/us/politics/kenneth-marcus-education-department.html?referringSource=articleShare]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/us/politics/kenneth-marcus-education-department.html?referringSource=articleShare

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                      [b]Education Dept.s Civil Rights Chief Steps Down Amid Controversy:   [/b]Kenneth L. Marcus was nominated as the head of the Office of Civil Rights in the face of a chorus of opposition. He leaves after a tenure marked by dissension and disputes.

                      Mr. Marcus, who came to the job as a fierce champion for Israel and a critic of anti-Zionist movements on college campuses, is credited with overseeing the completion of [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/06/us/politics/campus-sexual-misconduct-betsy-devos.html]sexual misconduct rules[/link] and [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/11/us/politics/trump-anti-semitism-judaism-nationality.html]expanding civil rights for Jewish students[/link] amid rising anti-Semitism. In announcing his departure, he said he had restored the offices status as a neutral, impartial civil rights law enforcement agency that faithfully executes the laws as written and in full, no more and no less.
                      But in recent months, two separate complaints that have been filed accuse Mr. Marcus of abusing his authority by forcing through cases that furthered his personal and political agenda.

                      More broadly, Mr. Marcus was accused of using the office to fulfill a longstanding goal of recognizing Jewish students as a protected class under civil rights laws, while undermining policies that shielded other minority populations from discrimination.

                      Mr. Marcus, who was confirmed to lead the office in June 2018, is perhaps best known for[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/11/us/politics/rutgers-jewish-education-civil-rights.html] resurrecting a complaint against Rutgers University[/link], in which he unilaterally adopted a disputed definition of anti-Semitism that includes opposition to the state of Israel and asserted the departments right to treat Judaism as a national origin. His decision to reopen the complaint, which had been dismissed by the Obama administration, caused an uproar among Palestinian rights and higher education groups, which had long fought Mr. Marcuss efforts to squelch student calls for [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/27/world/middleeast/bds-israel-boycott-antisemitic.html]boycotting, divesting from and imposing sanctions on Israel[/link].

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                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      November 22, 2022 at 8:25 am

                      Kevin McCarthy promises that if he becomes House speaker  Republicans investigate and root out growing “anti-semitism on college campuses”

                      Just so we all know what he means by rooting out “anti-semitism” in this context he means preventing college activists from getting universities to participate in BDS programs that target Israel.

                      So here I will  provide an incomplete list of things that are NOT inherently antisemitic:

                      1. Calling out Israel’s human rights abuses.
                      2. Demanding justice for Palestinians.
                      3. Condemning settler violence against Palestinians.
                      4. Defending the right to boycott Israel (or any other country).

                    • kaldridgewv2211

                      Member
                      November 22, 2022 at 8:45 am

                      I was just listening to something.  Might have DAvid Rothkopf’s podcast but it was talking about how Israel might not exactly be the highest priority to the American Jewish voter.  So the Trump tropes like I’ve done more for Israel than anyone, and the Jewish voters don’t like me isn’t playing well.  So I’m not sure Kevy Poo has a good strategy here.
                       
                      And I’m in lockstep with the idea that being critical of Israel doesn’t make someone anti-Semitic.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      November 22, 2022 at 9:05 am

                      Quote from DICOM_Dan

                      I was just listening to something.  Might have DAvid Rothkopf’s podcast but it was talking about how Israel might not exactly be the highest priority to the American Jewish voter.  So the Trump tropes like I’ve done more for Israel than anyone, and the Jewish voters don’t like me isn’t playing well.  So I’m not sure Kevy Poo has a good strategy here.

                      And I’m in lockstep with the idea that being critical of Israel doesn’t make someone anti-Semitic.

                       
                      The Republican play on “anti-Semitism” is not really an appeal to American Jews, who still are overwhelmingly Democratic.
                       
                      It’s a bank-shot play to the Evangelical base who have huge support for Israel. Combining that appeal with the general Republican attitude that colleges are liberal woke indoctrination centers and you have a winning GOP base issue.