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Mike Pence 2020
Is this thing over?
In the wake of the Trump groping/ p*ssy-grabbing allegations is it time for Mike Pence to cut and run (or at least start distancing himself)?
Despite my personal opposition to most of Pence’s morality-based policy positions, I believe them to be true and closely held.
How can he stand by this?
Maybe it’s time to go dark and get ready for the Kasich/Ryan-establishment versus Pence/Cruz- evangelical conservatives battle for the soul of the GOP in 2020.
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OMG he said the P-word in a priivate conversation!!
How can anyone pretend to be shocked by this. Trump scored a mistress in Sunday mass and dumped her 4 years and 9 momths in for another eastern European model.
Why should Pence do anything now? If they win he’ll be president in 2018, if they loose he’ll be in a good position for a Pence/Ryan ticket in 2020.
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[url]https://twitter.com/search?q=pence+statement&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Esearch[/url]
Pence issues statement distancing from Trump.-
Pence is the p ussy who struck up the Faustian bargain.
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Pence has a bleeding wound..that Mexican thing won’t go away..has he apologized for it no( a clarification should have been done 24 hours later but he did not correct it because that’s what he felt and in 2020 he will have to answer to one of the fastest growing groups in America and they won’t be of his generation).
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Pence is the p ussy who struck up the Faustian bargain.
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Pence wants to electrocute LBGT kids until they are straight right? Sounds like another winner for the GOP !
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he is done with his so called funding for Gay conversion
Trump is a fatally flawed candidateQuote from yesterdaysnews
Pence wants to electrocute LBGT kids until they are straight right? Sounds like another winner for the GOP !
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I think Kasich 2020 or why not right now and maybe again in 2020. If pence runs he’s going to need to have a come to Jesus about why he chose to run with Trump. Whereas Kasich walked away from the dumpster fire that is Trump.
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I think Kasich 2020 or why not right now and maybe again in 2020. If pence runs he’s going to need to have a come to Jesus about why he chose to run with Trump. Whereas Kasich walked away from the dumpster fire that is Trump.
The GOP civil war will continue. It’s really a 3 way fight.
There’s the “Pence/Cruz religious conservative wing” versus the “Kasich/Ryan fiscal conservative good governance wing” versus “populist xenophobe Trump wing” (and who knows who will come forward to represent that wing in the post-2016 world).-
All 3 have serious problems with reality and anger issues. And the Trump and Price/Cruz supporters feel persecuted & victimized on top of it.
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“Kasich/Ryan fiscal conservative good governance wing” is a con. Independent budget review reveals a fantasy, shell-game ultimately hiding trickle-down policies. Ryan isn’t an intellectual, he plays one on TV.
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Paul Ryan’s budget numbers are as solid as his marathon times (i.e. bull$hit).
“Paul Ryan got in a little trouble for telling Hugh Hewitt in a radio interview that he had run a marathon in just under three hours…”
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Politico: [url=http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/17/mike-pence-president-trump-238525][B]Conservatives begin to whisper: President Pence[/B][/url]
The still far-fetched proposition of removing Trump from office has increasing appeal to Republicans who are growing weary of defending Trump and are alarmed by his conduct in office. But such whispers are cringe-worthy for Pence and his aides, who have made an art of not upstaging the mercurial president. Pences press secretary declined to comment for this article.
On the campaign trail, Pence would shut down any conversations about the possibility of his own future bid should Trump lose, telling donors who raised the prospect that he was entirely focused on the race at hand. Aides said that sentiment was sincere even if they engaged in some thinking about what Pences future could entail after a likely loss.
Still, some conservatives are hinting that Pence looks like a particularly good alternative right now, especially as the Justice Department moves ahead with a special prosecutor for the FBIs Russia probe.
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Is the removal of Trump that far fetched at this point? He seems as close to being impeachable as possible. Pence 2017 might even be better for the GOP since they currently control congress.
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what did Pence know?
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[i]He seems as close to being impeachable[/i]
You are drinking the liberal media Kool Aid[i] -[/i] Name the crime he committed and what evidence you have. Stop buying into media perpetuating stories aimed at only one purpose. Take a deep breath and let Mueller do his job. Then if there is a crime we can look at impeachment. [i]
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Frankly I think we need to keep Trump around for at least another year or 2, let everyone get their fill of him until the midterms. Democratic leaders are advising to keep the impeachment calls down to nothing, let the investigation proceed.
And a Special Prosecutor is not exactly proof of Trump’s innocence.
Advisors are telling Trump to hire a lawyer.
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[i]He seems as close to being impeachable[/i]
You are drinking the liberal media Kool Aid[i] -[/i] Name the crime he committed and what evidence you have. Stop buying into media perpetuating stories aimed at only one purpose. Take a deep breath and let Mueller do his job. Then if there is a crime we can look at impeachment. [i]
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You’re right. Between me and you I’m the one that’s blindly loyal to liberal media witch hunts. I just drink up the Kool Aid and can’t see how great of a job Trump is doing. He makes america great again multiple times a day. There’s just so many examples of his great leadership. What was I thinking? -
And let’s not forget, Democrats have virtually no power as all 3 branches are controlled by Republicans. It is the Republicans who are entertaining impeachment, or by another name 25th Amendment removal.
It is not the Liberals or Democrats – it IS the Republicans who have the power and are proceeding.
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Funny how you both twisted what I posted.
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[url=http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/aide-claims-pattern-keep-vice-president-pence-out-loop-n761916]NBC news: Pence was kept out of the loop[/url]
Best thing for Pence at this point is to have been, and to remain, “out of the loop”.
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I think Kasich 2020 or why not right now and maybe again in 2020. If pence runs he’s going to need to have a come to Jesus about why he chose to run with Trump. Whereas Kasich walked away from the dumpster fire that is Trump.
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[b] “oleaginous”[/b]
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1.
rich in, covered with, or producing oil; oily or greasy.[*] 2.
exaggeratedly and distastefully complimentary; obsequious.
“candidates made the usual oleaginous speeches in the debate”
George Will: [b][link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-is-no-longer-the-worst-person-in-government/2018/05/09/10e59eba-52f1-11e8-a551-5b648abe29ef_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.edd5be59fed3]Trump is no longer the worst person in government[/link][/b]
((Hint: It’s Pence 😉 ))
Donald Trump, with his feral cunning, knew. The oleaginous Mike Pence, with his talent for toadyism and appetite for obsequiousness, could, Trump knew, become Americas most repulsive public figure. And Pence, who has reached this pinnacle by dethroning his benefactor, is augmenting the public stock of useful knowledge. Because his is the authentic voice of todays lickspittle Republican Party, he clarifies this years elections: Vote Republican to ratify groveling as governing.
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Pence, oozing unctuousness from every pore, called Arpaio another favorite, professed himself honored by Arpaios presence, and [link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEXy-tIFg6I&t=869s]praised[/link] him as a tireless champion of … the rule of law. Arpaio, a grandstanding, camera-chasing bully and darling of the thuggish right, is also a criminal, [link=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/05/arpaio-mike-pence/559442/]convicted[/link] of contempt of court for ignoring a federal judges order to desist from certain illegal law enforcement practices. Pences performance occurred eight miles from the home of Sen. John McCain, who could teach Pence or perhaps not something about honor.
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On Jan. 27, 1838, Abraham Lincoln, then 28, delivered [link=https://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jala/2629860.0006.103/–perpetuation-of-our-political-institutions-address?rgn=main;view=fulltext]his first great speech[/link], to the Young Mens Lyceum in Springfield. Less than three months earlier, Elijah Lovejoy, an abolitionist newspaper editor in Alton, Ill., 67 miles from Springfield, [link=https://www.britannica.com/biography/Elijah-P-Lovejoy]was murdered[/link] by a pro-slavery mob. Without mentioning Lovejoy it would have been unnecessary Lincoln lamented that throughout America, so lately famed for love of law and order, there was a mobocratic spirit among the vicious portion of [the] population. So, let reverence for the laws … become the [i]political religion[/i] of the nation. Pence, one of evangelical Christians favorite pin-ups, genuflects at various altars, as the mobocratic spirit and the vicious portion require.
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[b]Trump is what he is, a floundering, inarticulate jumble of gnawing insecurities and not-at-all compensating vanities, which is pathetic. Pence is what he has chosen to be, which is horrifying.[/b]
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[b]Mike Pence Has Nowhere to Go[/b][/h1]
[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/mike-pences-career-over/617676/]Peter Nicholas[/link]: The vice presidents swift journey from acolyte to outcast was head-spinning. This is someone who would pause after mentioning Donald Trumps name during an address so that the audience had time to clapand who would then stand silently at the lectern when it didnt. Editing Pences speeches, aides would cut references to Trump when they didnt believe there was any reason to mention him. Reviewing the changes, Pence would take his Sharpie and add Trumps name back in, a former Trump-administration official told me.
But Pence will see no reward for his fealty, or for his actions on January 6, when he resisted pressure from Trump to toss out the election results. The springboard to the Oval Office that so many vice presidents have used is gone. Not only has Trumps base turned on him, but Pence is complicit in the Trump administrations most egregious actions.-
The Lincoln Project cuts an ad for Mike Pence:
[link]https://youtu.be/L0PzmRfxvz0[/link]
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[h1][link=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/pence-plans-form-political-group-he-moves-beyond-time-trump-n1256259]NBC News[/link] – Pence plans to form fundraising group as he moves beyond Trump, Capitol riot[/h1]
Former Vice President Mike [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/after-break-trump-pence-charts-new-path-forward-n1253743]Pence[/link] is beginning to build a [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/pence-attend-biden-inauguration-n1253645]political future[/link] without Donald [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-leans-harder-pence-flip-election-results-n1252849]Trump[/link], including making plans to form a policy-focused fundraising committee that would help him maintain a relationship with donors, according to multiple sources familiar with his plans.
Within the next month, he is likely to announce the formation of a non-profit social welfare organization to amplify his positions on a consistent conservative philosophy, as one person familiar with the plan described it. Such groups, known as 501(c)4’s, can be active on political issues, but are not allowed to engage in campaigning, and can attract millions of dollars by keeping their donors secret.
Starting his own group would give Pence a foothold in the fundraising world, allowing him to maintain relationships with donors in case he decides to run for president in 2024.
Pence is not expected make an announcement about his own future campaigns until after the 2022 midterms, and advisers caution he has not made a final decision about whether to run.[/QUOTE]
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[link=https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/former-vice-president-pence-gets-pacemaker-implanted-expects-full-recovery.html]Former VP Mike Pence had surgery yesterday to implant a pacemaker[/link].
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[b]Pence Gets Cool Reception In New Hampshire[/b][/h1] [b]
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[link=https://www.unionleader.com/news/politics/voters/in-manchester-former-vp-pence-underlines-his-successes/article_c4553a72-7369-50b8-bc41-d08c1334cefa.html]New Hampshire Union Leader[/link]: He praised the police who quelled the riot after a mob ransacked the Capitol, some calling for Pences death. But Pence stuck by the certification of the election results that declared Democrat Joe Biden the winner.
Said Pence: That day we reconvened the Congress and did our duty.
“…President Trump and I have spoken many times since we left office . And I don’t know if we’ll ever see eye to eye on that day.”
The room was nearly silent.-
question from the audience. When TRump is re-installed in August does that mean you Mike Pence will also be re-installed?
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Pence gets drowned out by hecklers at the Faith & Freedom Coalition summit, some of whom appear to be chanting “traitor!
[link=https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1405928997880533003?s=20]https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1405928997880533003?s=20[/link]
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[h1][b]Pence Says He Was Proud to Certify Election[/b][/h1]
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/24/us/politics/mike-pence-trump.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage]New York Times[/link] –
Former Vice President Mike Pemce on Thursday night made his most forceful attempt yet to separate himself from his former boss, Donald Trump, on the issue of certifying the 2020 election results. Speaking at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, Calif., Mr. Pence defended the constitutionally mandated role he played in certifying the Electoral College vote on Jan. 6.
Said Pence: I will always be proud that we did our part on that tragic day to reconvene the Congress and fulfilled our duty under the Constitution and the laws of the United States. The truth is, there is almost no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president.
It was the furthest that Mr. Pence, a potential Republican presidential candidate in 2024, has gone yet in defending his role that day or distancing himself from Mr. Trump, to whom he ingratiated himself during their four years together in office.
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Should’ve said that on January 6th when people chanted hang mike pence.
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[link=https://news.yahoo.com/trump-rules-mike-pence-vice-173205284.html]https://news.yahoo.com/tr…ce-vice-173205284.html[/link]
[b]Trump rules out Mike Pence as his vice presidential nominee if he runs in 2024: ‘I was disappointed in Mike[/b] -
[b]Mike Pence Takes Another Step Towards 2024 Bid[/b][/h1]
[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/31/pence-new-policy-platform-00021934]Politico[/link]: Pence is releasing a [link=https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017f-dd1f-d522-ab7f-dfbf2eb70000]19-page policy platform[/link] on Thursday aimed at casting himself as a figure of the future and moving the country forward to ensure that the best days for the greatest nation on earth are yet to come.
Its the kind of statement most prospective presidents would make, but in this case its also an implicit swipe at Trump, who is focused on relitigating the 2020 election as he weighs a comeback bid.
The former vice president has spent the last year laying the groundwork for a 2024 campaign launching a nonprofit policy group, huddling with major donors and stumping for midterm candidates.-
Why is he wasting his time?
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There is very little down side to running for President.
Even if Pence gets no delegates, as long as he doesn’t look like a complete embarrassment or alienate the base irrevocably, it’s all good.
He gets to run on other people’s money. He gets to fundraise for other purposes to support Republicans politicians and cause, improving his network. He elevates his profile so that he can make more $$ giving speeches, taking media / book contracts etc.
The days where the “party” would subtly punish a politician for getting in the way are gone, because the party no longer controls most of the money and politicians can their profiles independent of political assignments etc-
Pence 2024: For God, For Country, and For Mama
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probably not much of a surprise ….
[b]Trump Reportedly Complained About Pence Being Taken to Safety on Jan. 6 and Suggested He Really Should Be Hanged[/b]
[link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediaite.com%2Ftrump%2Fbreaking-trump-reportedly-complained-about-pence-being-taken-to-safety-on-jan-6-and-suggested-he-really-should-be-hung%2F]https://www.mediaite.com/trump/break…hould-be-hung/[/link]
Mr. Meadows, according to an account provided to the House committee investigating Jan. 6, then told the colleagues that Mr. Trump had said something to the effect of, maybe Mr. Pence should be hung. -
[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/january-6-hearings-mike-pence-service-democracy/661224/]The Bulwark’s Jonathan Last, writing in The Atlantic[/link]:
[h1]Mike Pence Is an American Hero[/h1]
Here is another idea the committee might consider: Take a moment to praise Mike Pence. Congress can name a building in his honor. The House and Senate could propose nonpartisan resolutions recognizing Pence for his service to democracy. And then Joe Biden could give Pence the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Because while Pence may not be the hero you or I might have wanted, he was the hero America needed.
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Pence has long been caricatured as a comically loyal stooge standing behind the president with befuddlement on his face and a fly on his head. Yet Pence did more to protect democracyboth on January 6 and sincethan any other person inside the Trump administration. Or any Republican not named Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger.
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The story of Mike Pence is the negative space in the January 6 Committee investigation. As more details about the machinations of John Eastman, Mark Meadows, Ted Cruz, and others emerge, Pences own actions are ever present in the background. Without him, we might not have this committee. Without him, we might not even have this republic.[/QUOTE]
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Pence essentially took over as President as Trump refused to act on Jan 6.
[link=https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/06/jan-six-hearing-trump-wanted-hang-mike-pence.html] Jan. 6 hearing reveals that Mike Pence had to do Trump’s job[/link]
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The irony is that Pence was arguably the primary enabler of Trump He was the mainstream traditional conservative Republican who would go to donors and not just defend Trump and his policies, but with a straight face insist that Donald J. Trump was a good man.
GOP strategist Rob Stutzman, quoted by the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/20/us/politics/pence-trump-jan6-hearings.html]New York Times[/link].
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A similar argument can be leveled against Liz Cheney and the other apostate Republicans who suddenly realize that the choice between loyalty to country is not the same as loyalty to Trump.
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Nice you recognize that. This might be the most important step of all.
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The irony is that Pence was arguably the primary enabler of Trump He was the mainstream traditional conservative Republican who would go to donors and not just defend Trump and his policies, but with a straight face insist that Donald J. Trump was a good man.
GOP strategist Rob Stutzman, quoted by the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/20/us/politics/pence-trump-jan6-hearings.html]New York Times[/link].
He was on Fox saying Biden was the biggest liar he’s ever known. Someone I saw wrote on Twitter the best campaign slogan. Pence 2024 – I’ll hang myself if I have to.
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Independents for Pence:
“We’ll all hang together!”
Not exactly what Ben Franklin was talking about. Not exactly the leading figures Ben had in mind.
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Immediately after SCOTUS decision overturning Roe v Wade, Pence calls to enact a national abortion ban
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Do it as long as the government is prepared to fund the pregnancy, and the family till the age of 21.
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Do it as long as the government is prepared to fund the pregnancy, and the family till the age of 21.
The government does not even want to support the 9-11 responders nor the soldier we sent to Iraq and Afghanistan. Waste $ on women and children? it only encourages those loose women to have more babies! George Carlin was correct decades ago when he said the Right is concerned about the fetus from conception but once born, “it” is the mother’s problem alone to deal with for her apparent loose morals. See Rush’s past statements as well as others regarding how women (but not the men) use abortion as lazy woman’s birth control. Because everyone knows, getting an abortion is much simpler than using a condom or other birth control at the time of sexual intercourse.
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I’m sure all those at the Capital on Jan 6 will jump in line behind Pence now.
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Immediately after SCOTUS decision overturning Roe v Wade, Pence calls to enact a national abortion ban
As fw said brilliantly. Dog catches car.
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[h3][link=https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-video-shows-donald-trumps-pick-to-run-arizona-elections-mark-finchem-accusing-mike-pence-of-coup]Donald Trump’s Pick to Run Arizona Elections accuses Mike Pence of a Coup [/link][/h3]
Mark Finchem was caught on camera spouting conspiracy theories about Vice President Mike Pence stealing the 2020 election from Donald Trump.
[link]https://youtu.be/us1ts9kaHn8[/link]
First came the theory that Pence seized power over an existing presidentTrumpfollowing the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol. Finchem claimed he had usurped the authority to give orders to the Department of Defense and Department of Justice.
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Then, Finchem claimed it is now believed that Pence was responsible for any federal law enforcement surveillance of Trumps campaign in 2016, amid concerns about his teams contact with Russian officials.
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Finally, Finchem accused Pence of a conspiracy to steal the 2024 nomination for president, and the presidency, by endorsing supporters of his for governors offices in key states. This year, [link=https://www.thedailybeast.com/brian-kemp-crushes-trumps-dreams-in-georgia-one-more-time]Pence endorsed Gov. Brian Kemp[/link], who refused Trumps calls to overturn the 2020 election in Georgia, as well as [link=https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trumps-next-stop-on-the-2022-revenge-tour-is-arizona]Karin Taylor Robson[/link], who ran for governor in Arizona against Kari Lake, a staunch election denier herself.[/QUOTE]
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[link=https://www.axios.com/2022/10/31/mike-pence-new-book-jan-6]Axios[/link] with an excerpt from former Vice President Mike Pences [link=https://amzn.to/3WfuTBY][i]So Help Me God[/i][/link] about Jan 6:
What began as a briefing that Thursday afternoon quickly turned into a contentious back-and-forth between the campaign lawyers and a growing group of outside attorneys led by Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell, an attorney who had represented General Mike Flynn.
After the campaign lawyers gave a sober and somewhat pessimistic report on the state of election challenges, the outside cast of characters went on the attack Giuliani told the president over the speakerphone, Your lawyers are not telling you the truth, Mr. President.’
Even in an office well acquainted with rough-and-tumble debates, it was a new low and went downhill from there.
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At what point is someone going to jail? Jan 6th committee has brought some memorable moments but it gets washed out of the news cycle in a day or so. So much BS has gone on. Rudy was there to stir the pot.
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Maybe after the election, depending on results. Now it would be seen as political.
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Let a grand jury decide based on evidence at hand. right now they’re just cooking the small fish. Time to fry up a muskellunge like Rudy tooty.
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Feels like a Pence launch coming ….
[h1]Mike Pence Says Trump Put Him in Danger[/h1]
Mike Pence [link=https://twitter.com/abcworldnews/status/1591929600124207104?s=46&t=1l7OvKGwCAXraMI1Kg5Djg]told ABC News [/link]that Donald Trumps words were reckless on January 6, adding that they endangered me and my family and everyone at the Capitol building.______________
[h3][link=https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/01/politics/cnn-town-hall-vice-president-mike-pence-midterms]CNN to host town hall with former Vice President Mike Pence[/link][/h3]
Former Vice President Mike [i]Pence[/i] is set to participate in a CNN [i]town hall[/i] just eight days after the midterm elections
EXCLUSIVE: "The president's words were reckless," Mike Pence tells @DavidMuir of Trump’s words on Jan. 6, saying they "endangered me and my family and everyone at the Capitol building."
Watch more on @ABCWorldNews, tomorrow on @GMA, and stream on @hulu. https://t.co/LCA0vICJWS pic.twitter.com/ECPrqUAZVk
— World News Tonight (@ABCWorldNews) November 13, 2022
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[h1][b]Classified Documents Found at Mike Pences Home[/b][/h1] A lawyer for former Vice President Mike Pence discovered about a dozen documents marked as classified at Pences Indiana home last week, and he has turned those classified records over to the FBI, [link=https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/politics/pence-classified-documents-fbi/index.html]CNN[/link] reports.
The FBI and the Justice Departments National Security Division have launched a review of the documents and how they ended up in Pences house in Indiana.
The discovery comes after Pence has repeatedly said he did not have any classified documents in his possession.
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Sheeesh. Like WTF is wrong with the government.
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oh to be a fly on the head at the Pence house right now
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[h1][b]Quote of the Day[/b][/h1]
Pence, seriously, we have this great thing going with Joe. Cmon man! And then he confessed to it. He couldnt just destroyed it, we never wouldve known.
Jesse Waters, [link=https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1618016263292485633?s=20&t=d0gTPHu6vg-0Gbvgj7SqQw]on Fox News[/link], casually suggesting that Mike Pence commit crimes to keep the heat on President Biden for having classified documents at his home.
(I know it’s a goof around segment but .. c’mon Fox!@)
Jesse Watters casually suggests that Pence commit crimes: "Pence, seriously, we have this great thing going with Joe. C'mon man! And then he confessed to it. He couldn't just destroyed it, we never would've known." pic.twitter.com/RtFKwvo5YH
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) January 24, 2023
