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Khashoggi’s murder
Another thing for Trump to admire, a dictator who can kidnap a reporter and then gruesomely murder him in order to silence him & send a message to other dissidents.
But we should not “rush to judgement” and accuse a poor dictator or murdering someone almost on 5th Ave in broad daylight. It’s so unfair!
Our Leader, Donald Trump, showing the American Way as he sees it, anything for a buck, everyone has their price. Overlook a murder? Sure, so long as we can make some good money on the deal.
But who cares? Khashoggi was not a citizen, he was only a permanent resident but he was Muslim. So why should we care?
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And then there is Trump’s cheerleading crowd worrying we “make things worse” in a “fit of righteousness.”
Yes, butcher a dissident journalist but let’s not make things worse by calling undue attention to the butchering.
[link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/dont-ditch-riyadh-in-a-fit-of-righteousness-1539645239]https://www.wsj.com/artic…ghteousness-1539645239[/link]-
Dont worry about this
Its more important to be outraged about the women and children caravan coming through Mexico
Thats the real threat
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I feel like the bigger problem to me is that in his rally he’ll say something like “I love the Saudis. They buy condos from me”, and then now he’ll say “I have no business dealing with Saudi Arabia”. I’m guessing the former is true. At the same time I don’t trust the Turks or any of those bumble-heads anyway. If they have evidence stop leaking it to the news and just provide it to the White House. We give a pass to the Saudis for some reason. These are the same MF’ers that were funding the 911 hi-jackers as per the 911 report. Then we try to block families from filing lawsuits. It’s kind of under the radar but I think the courts rules this year families can file lawsuits against the Arabs.
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Pretty much sounds like they have graphic evidence of a person being dismembered
I understand waiting for definite proof is necessary but the situation could be handled differently
The orange preek is no statesman…. thats for sure
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Pretty much sounds like they have graphic evidence of a person being dismembered
I understand waiting for definite proof is necessary but the situation could be handled differently
The orange preek is no statesman…. thats for sure
That’s the problem. Sound like or have proof? These are the same people that kept that pastor for 2 years. I see no reason to trust them. If they have proof I think this is the reason something like the Hague exists. Prosecute MBS and his cronies. it might not mean anymore than dragging him through the mud and making a disgrace out of him.
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Turkey claims to have both audio AND video. And claims very gruesome material.
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Nothing will be done? Why? Because the U.S. needs to keep profiting off selling the Saudi’s tanks/artillery/bombs they can use to bomb school buses full-of-children in Yemen.
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Thousands of jemenis die at Saudi hands, nobody on the left gives a shit. One person with US ties is killed, now it’s Trump’s fault.
Yeah, not that excited.
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That doesn’t even make sense. Trump is selling them the weapons, people want to see the Arabs punished, Trump’s said no we will keep selling them weapons. The bombs being dropped on Yemen are from the USA so Trump absolutely is responsible. Obama was too, just the POTUS before him.
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That doesn’t even make sense. Trump is selling them the weapons, people want to see the Arabs punished, Trump’s said no we will keep selling them weapons. The bombs being dropped on Yemen are from the USA so Trump absolutely is responsible. Obama was too, just the POTUS before him.
We know the saudi rulers are not right in the head. We know that for 60 years. For me there is just little difference between them killing yemenis dozends at a time vs. killing one guy in an embassy.-
Fw, sorry but you listen to Fox way too much. Lefties have been complaining about the killing of Yemenis for as long as it has been happening. Saudi Arabia has viewed killing Houthis as a proxy war against Iran.
And another whataboutism is only meant to distract sine I dont recall the Right being upset about Yemen.
And lets face it, Republicans blocked ending support for Arabias war against Yemen.
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/379392-senate-sides-with-trump-on-providing-saudi-military-support]https://thehill.com/homen…saudi-military-support[/link]
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Fw, sorry but you listen to Fox way too much. Lefties have been complaining about the killing of Yemenis for as long as it has been happening. Saudi Arabia has viewed killing Houthis as a proxy war against Iran.
And another whataboutism is only meant to distract sine I dont recall the Right being upset about Yemen.
And lets face it, Republicans blocked ending support for Arabias war against Yemen.
They have oil and we buy it from them. They are not commies, that’s why we sell them guns. Left, right, european the hypocrisy is the same.
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Character assassination against Khashoggi to protect Trump and policy with Saudi Arabia. The “deplorable” campaign continues. What’s next? Khashoggi was the real mastermind behind 9-11?
Calling Alex Jones, the GOP needs you more than ever.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/conservatives-mount-a-whisper-campaign-smearing-khashoggi-in-defense-of-trump/2018/10/18/feb92bd0-d306-11e8-b2d2-f397227b43f0_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…397227b43f0_story.html[/link]
Hard-line Republicans and conservative commentators are mounting a whispering campaign against Jamal Khashoggi that is designed to protect President Trump from criticism of his handling of the dissident journalists alleged murder by operatives of Saudi Arabia and support Trumps continued aversion to a forceful response to the oil-rich desert kingdom.
In recent days, a cadre of conservative House Republicans allied with Trump has been privately exchanging articles from right-wing outlets that fuel suspicion of Khashoggi, highlighting his association with the Muslim Brotherhood in his youth and raising conspiratorial questions about his work decades ago as an embedded reporter covering Osama bin Laden, according to four GOP officials involved in the discussions who were not authorized to speak publicly.
Those aspersions which many lawmakers have been wary of stating publicly because of the political risks of doing so have begun to flare into public view as conservative media outlets have amplified the claims, which are aimed in part at protecting Trump as he works to preserve the U.S.-Saudi relationship and avoid confronting the Saudis on human rights.
Trump wants to take a soft line, so Trump supporters are finding excuses for him to take it, said William Kristol, a conservative Trump critic. One of those excuses is attacking the person who was murdered.
As anyone knows who knew Jamal or read his columns he was dedicated to the values of free speech and open debate. He went into exile to promote those values, and now he may even have lost his life for his dogged determination in their defense, Hiatt said in a statement. It may not be surprising that some Saudi-inspired trolls are now trying to distract us from the crime by smearing Jamal. It may not even be surprising to see a few Americans joining in. But in both cases it is reprehensible.
Donald Trump is keeping his eye on the ball, keeping his eye on the geopolitical ball, the national security ball. Hes not going to get sidetracked by what happened to a journalist, maybe, in the consulate there. Hes not giving cover to anybody, syndicated talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh said Tuesday.
For those who are screaming blood for the Saudis look, these people are key allies, evangelical leader Pat Robertson [link=https://www.vox.com/2018/10/17/17990268/pat-robertson-khashoggi-saudi-arabia-trump-crisis]said[/link] this week. Weve got an arms deal that everybody wanted a piece of. … Itll be a lot of jobs, a lot of money come to our coffers. Its not something you want to blow up willy-nilly.
Silence money. Watching Trump & listening to his explanations for everything make me feel like I’m watching another Mob movie.
Trump’s palling around with Mob figures including the Russian Mob taught him a thing or 2 about what’s important and what is disposable. And seems the likes of Pat Robertson know exactly “what Jesus would do,” protect the money changers, not throw them out.
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This is par for the course for Saudi. I lived there for many years as the kid of expat chemE father in one of those American compounds. Still, we would venture out into general Saudi society a lot and lemme tell you – it is a F’ed up society. This might be shocking for those in the west but really is ho hum kinda stuff for Saudi Arabia.
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5 years from now when the Saudi civil war is in full swing, we’ll think of the Syrian civil war as ‘the good old days’.
I doubt the crown prince would have pulled this stunt inside the Saudi embassy in DC. Is there any info why Kashoggi decided to venture into hostile territory ?
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Wasn’t he getting married? He needed papers from the Embassy, because he’s from Saudi Arabia.
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Wasn’t he getting married? He needed papers from the Embassy, because he’s from Saudi Arabia.
But why in Turkey ? Was he bringing a bride from abroad ?
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Well, my goodness, the Saidis finally admit that Khashoggi is indeed dead but apparently it was his own fault for starting an argument and fistfight in the Saudi Consulate.
Well I suppose one would naturally fight if being threatened with violent murder and being cut up perhaps while alive. I suppose Khashoggi fled out the back door after being dismembered?
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A “body double” walking around Istanbul literally wearing the dead Khashoggi’s clothing, the clothing he was murdered in? Except for the shoes. But this murder was not premeditated according to the Saudis.
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A “body double” walking around Istanbul literally wearing the dead Khashoggi’s clothing, the clothing he was murdered in? Except for the shoes. But this murder was not premeditated according to the Saudis.
Sanction time for Saudi Arabia. Starting with no more weapons sales.
Not gonna happen. Trump has already indicated his reluctance to “lose jobs” via arms embargo. Also, Trump and Kushner are thick as thieves with the King and his son. This goes waaaaay deep than the murder of a journalist. The financial ties between the Kingdom and the Trump family literally “trump” any positive action that could come out of it.
Besides that, the following is my take on it.
The Crown Prince okay’d the murder. He knew all along. He’s literally sending a message. And, that message is, “There is nothing-literally nothing- you can do. We can butcher a nationalistic journalist with foreign ties on Turkish soil, and there is NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. You’re not gonna embargo arms, because we keep Iran at bay for you. You’re not gonna embargo arms because we have Trump and Kushner financially in our pocket. So, yeah, we did it- and we’ll do it again, if more journalists keep talking smack about the Kingdom. And, if you do embargo arms, and if you do forget that we have Trump/Kushner et. al. in our pocket, well, we’ll just turn off the oil and cause a world-wide catastrophe and finanicial global meltdown. So, what are you gonna do? Nothing, that’s what you’re gonna do.”
I know, I know, there are several corollaries to this, but you get the gist. The Saudis sent a message, they’ll do it again, and they’re ain’t nothing anybody gonna do. That’s the world we live in. -
Agree, not gonna happen. Oil and wealth “trumps” morality and good government. Trump is very friendly with all the world’s worst dictators because, strangely enough, he seems to have more buildings with his name on them in dictatorship countries. And we know most of his funding has come from Russia who gave him help when American banks wised up to his bankruptcies and his losing their investments.
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Trump feels even he cant bullsh1t his way out of this one especially after looking weak to a 33 y/o murderous dictator. Now Trump is saying the Saudis stories are the worst coverup in history!
Maybe that noon murder on 5th Ave brag is losing strength even to the acolyte base.
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A “body double” walking around Istanbul literally wearing the dead Khashoggi’s clothing, the clothing he was murdered in? Except for the shoes. But this murder was not premeditated according to the Saudis.
Sanction time for Saudi Arabia. Starting with no more weapons sales.
Not gonna happen. Trump has already indicated his reluctance to “lose jobs” via arms embargo. Also, Trump and Kushner are thick as thieves with the King and his son. This goes waaaaay deep than the murder of a journalist. The financial ties between the Kingdom and the Trump family literally “trump” any positive action that could come out of it.
Besides that, the following is my take on it.
The Crown Prince okay’d the murder. He knew all along. He’s literally sending a message. And, that message is, “There is nothing-literally nothing- you can do. We can butcher a nationalistic journalist with foreign ties on Turkish soil, and there is NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. You’re not gonna embargo arms, because we keep Iran at bay for you. You’re not gonna embargo arms because we have Trump and Kushner financially in our pocket. So, yeah, we did it- and we’ll do it again, if more journalists keep talking smack about the Kingdom. And, if you do embargo arms, and if you do forget that we have Trump/Kushner et. al. in our pocket, well, we’ll just turn off the oil and cause a world-wide catastrophe and finanicial global meltdown. So, what are you gonna do? Nothing, that’s what you’re gonna do.”
I know, I know, there are several corollaries to this, but you get the gist. The Saudis sent a message, they’ll do it again, and they’re ain’t nothing anybody gonna do. That’s the world we live in.
I get you guys/gals despise Trump but hasn’t Saudi Arabia been an a$$-backwards f*cked up country for many years now or did this just start in 2016? Haven’t we been allies with them for many years? Where has the outrage been all these years? When we look back at history hasn’t the US had plenty of diplomatic relations with many f*cked up countries/dictators? Haven’t we’ve done our fair share of f*cked up cr*p? Not to mention all the cr*p that goes on behind closed doors that the public never finds out about. Maybe we need to drop the moral superiority as a country since it seems that the powers that be are all in bed together. -
So we never should have got involved in WWII had not Germany and Japan declared war on us then?
Who ever liked Saudi Arabia? Just because Dubbya walked around literally holding hands with them does not mean I liked them, they are behind Wahhabism after all and the majority of 9-11 attackers were Saudis so what was there ever to like?They have oil. The only reason to do business.
And it is one thing to do business with repressive regimes but it is a whole other thing to, if not applaud their murders outside their own country to deliberately make excuses for their murders like a participant, especially someone who is a permanent American resident. Damned close to being a citizen.
Thats a big difference.
And just because we have done things like invade Iraq for invented reasons & killed people does not mean I cannot criticize. I did not support Iraq either. Or Vietnam. Or even installing the Shah. Etc. Those things do not buy my silence. I have long opposed American “adventurism” and support of dictators like Chile and Argentina, etc.
Giving a pass to murderous regimes because “our hands are dirty” is Trump’s excuse for a lack of ethics and morals and kissing dictators. Putin is not our friend for instance.
Talk about slippery slopes.
And America’s “adventurism” and selective blind eye is a specific reason why many people question our “moral superiority” and attack us – like the 9-11 attackers for one specific example. So what’s better, to wallow in the mud with murderous governments or “just say ‘No'”?
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BTW jd4540, there is a precedent for how Saudi Arabia should be treated after Khashoggi’s murder & it’s called the Magnitsky Act. you can look up it origins and effects. Putin hates it and it was in response to another murder. And funnily enough, it is Putin who makes the identical argument that America’s hands aren’t completely clean so who are we to criticize with our “moral superiority?”
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A “body double” walking around Istanbul literally wearing the dead Khashoggi’s clothing, the clothing he was murdered in? Except for the shoes. But this murder was not premeditated according to the Saudis.
Sanction time for Saudi Arabia. Starting with no more weapons sales.
Not gonna happen. Trump has already indicated his reluctance to “lose jobs” via arms embargo. Also, Trump and Kushner are thick as thieves with the King and his son. This goes waaaaay deep than the murder of a journalist. The financial ties between the Kingdom and the Trump family literally “trump” any positive action that could come out of it.
Besides that, the following is my take on it.
The Crown Prince okay’d the murder. He knew all along. He’s literally sending a message. And, that message is, “There is nothing-literally nothing- you can do. We can butcher a nationalistic journalist with foreign ties on Turkish soil, and there is NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. You’re not gonna embargo arms, because we keep Iran at bay for you. You’re not gonna embargo arms because we have Trump and Kushner financially in our pocket. So, yeah, we did it- and we’ll do it again, if more journalists keep talking smack about the Kingdom. And, if you do embargo arms, and if you do forget that we have Trump/Kushner et. al. in our pocket, well, we’ll just turn off the oil and cause a world-wide catastrophe and finanicial global meltdown. So, what are you gonna do? Nothing, that’s what you’re gonna do.”
I know, I know, there are several corollaries to this, but you get the gist. The Saudis sent a message, they’ll do it again, and they’re ain’t nothing anybody gonna do. That’s the world we live in.
I get you guys/gals despise Trump but hasn’t Saudi Arabia been an a$$-backwards f*cked up country for many years now or did this just start in 2016? Haven’t we been allies with them for many years? Where has the outrage been all these years? When we look back at history hasn’t the US had plenty of diplomatic relations with many f*cked up countries/dictators? Haven’t we’ve done our fair share of f*cked up cr*p? Not to mention all the cr*p that goes on behind closed doors that the public never finds out about. Maybe we need to drop the moral superiority as a country since it seems that the powers that be are all in bed together.
I don’t hate/despise Trump as much as I pity him…I cannot imagine someone-anyone- being that narcissistic, and removed from reality. I make no pretense about being able to understand the pathological personality. No, this outrage of the KSA didn’t start with Trump- it started decades ago. Their record on human rights and the way they treat their hostile neighbors is no fault of Trump- again, this has been going on for as long as the local players have been arguing about which version of their “Invisible Sky Wizard” is the best. In short, it’s Sunni/Shia bullshiat, and it ain’t gonna end in our lifetime, and likely not in any lifetime.
Trump is just fuel to an already growing fire; just as his election has given the zealots permission to act out in this country, his election has given the RWNJ’s in other countries equal permission. Why wouldn’t they? There have been literally few, if any repercussions here or around the world- yet.
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^Substitute for “Trump” for Obama above and you get the exact same reality, yet you refuse to try to even understand reality, or history, which dooms you.
At best, this proves that you are a total partisan hack.
At worst, it shows anyone with a grip on reality how far out of it you are.
Even with all the successes the President has, a lot of which overlap with all sorts of Americans political desires, you would never say a good thing about him. It’s quite sad.
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There was an American journalist beheaded during the Obama administration – James Foley. Mr Obama nobly left the golf course
to publicly condemn the murder and then return to the golf course to
finish his round. The main stream media largely gave Mr. Obama a pass even though the murder was a result of airstrikes ordered by Mr. Obama. After all Mr. Obama was on vacation in Marthas Vinyard. Mr. Obama said and I quote ” It’s always a challenge when you’re supposed to be on vacation”. Mr Obama was a swell President. -
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There was an American journalist beheaded during the Obama administration – James Foley. Mr Obama nobly left the golf course
to publicly condemn the murder and then return to the golf course to
finish his round. The main stream media largely gave Mr. Obama a pass even though the murder was a result of airstrikes ordered by Mr. Obama. After all Mr. Obama was on vacation in Marthas Vinyard. Mr. Obama said and I quote ” It’s always a challenge when you’re supposed to be on vacation”. Mr Obama was a swell President.
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Trumps transactional & moneyed approach to brutal murder in plain sight. How close to murdering someone on 5th Ave at noon does one have to get before his followers even question anything?
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White House Prevents CIA Director from Briefing Senate[/h1]
The White House is preventing the CIA director, Gina Haspel, or any other intelligence official from briefing the Senate on the murder of Saudi dissident and [i]Washington Post[/i]columnist, Jamal Khashoggi, [link=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/27/jamal-khashoggi-murder-senate-briefing-saudi-arabia-gina-haspel-white-house]The Guardian[/link] reports.
Officials made it clear that the decision for Haspel not to appear in front of the committee came from the White House.
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Fw, sorry but you listen to Fox way too much. Lefties have been complaining about the killing of Yemenis for as long as it has been happening. Saudi Arabia has viewed killing Houthis as a proxy war against Iran.
And another whataboutism is only meant to distract sine I dont recall the Right being upset about Yemen.
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[link=https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1068543610080116737]https://twitter.com/twitt…es/1068543610080116737[/link]
Putin gives a big High 5 to MBS at the G20.
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Saudis complaining of US “interference” with the Senate vote condemning the murder of Khashoggi in the Saudi embassy on the crown prince.
So are the Saudis going to expel our Ambassador too and declare halting all new trading and investment with the US too like they did with Canada over Canada’s support of women’ rights in Saudi Arabia?
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UN report showing Trump’s buddy, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and other Saudi government officials responsible for the public and brutal murder of jurnalist Jamal Khashoggi.
[link=https://www.upi.com/amp/Top_News/World-News/2019/06/19/UN-report-Saudi-government-responsible-for-Khashoggi-death/7461560938814/]https://www.upi.com/amp/T…i-death/7461560938814/[/link]
A United Nations investigative report issued Wednesday into the death of Saudi journalist [link=https://www.upi.com/topic/Jamal-Khashoggi/?tps=1]Jamal Khashoggi[/link]blames high-level Saudi officials, including Crown [link=https://www.upi.com/topic/Prince_Mohammed/?tps=1]Prince Mohammed[/link] bin Salman.
U.N. Human Rights Commission rapporteur Agnes Callamard spent months investigating the Oct. 2 death of the Washington Post columnist at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. Though she didn’t find a “smoking gun” to incriminate bin Salman, [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/un-investigator-calls-for-probing-saudi-officials-in-khashoggi-killing/2019/06/19/cf5ee594-91f3-11e9-aadb-74e6b2b46f6a_story.html?utm_term=.49eab2949260&wpisrc=al_news__alert-world–alert-national&wpmk=1]the report said[/link] he’s played a key role in repressing dissidents and concludes he had to know of the plot.
Riyadh has focused its investigation on 11 unnamed Saudis who are on trial behind closed doors and has taken “timid steps” to prosecute the suspects, the report said. Callamard called it a miscarriage of justice and for the trial to be suspended.
“It is the conclusion of the special rapporteur that Mr. Khashoggi has been the victim of a deliberate, premeditated execution, an extrajudicial killing for which the state of Saudi Arabia is responsible under international human rights law,” [link=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/jamal-khashoggi-killing-saudi-crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman-evidence-un-report]the report said[/link].
“Evidence points to the 15-person mission to execute Mr. Khashoggi requiring significant government coordination, resources and finances,” the report said. “While the Saudi government claims that these resources were put in place by Ahmed Asiri, every expert consulted finds it inconceivable that an operation of this scale could be implemented without the Crown Prince being aware, at a minimum, that some sort of mission of a criminal nature, directed at Mr. Khashoggi, was being launched.”
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Saudi Arabia murdered Jamal Khashoggi exactly 1 year ago today.
Of course, Arabia has oil so we are their besty no matter whom they slaughter.-
I just LMAO when I read the first words out the these Anti-God, new American Bolsheviks leftists on this Blog. Killers of people and dreams and yet… they think they have all the answers.
I wonder, do they really work while on the clock? It appears they are extremely busy pushing agenda’s and mega blogging during patient care business hours. I think that is called thievery on behalf of HR.-
Anti god Donald trump
Bolshevik Donald trump
Seriously trump is more pro Russian than any Americans
As far as anti-god. Trump is 2 times divorced… kids to 3 women and cheated on all 3 wives including with porno stars
He hates everyone, has no compassion or humility
What Christian or god like traits does he have?????
He has much more in common with satan
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IF that’s true, it explains a lot….
[i][b]Jared Kushner gave permission to Saudi ruler Mohammad bin Salman to arrest Jamal Khashoggi before he was killed and dismembered, a whistleblower claims.[/b]However, Turkish intelligence intercepted the call and President Recep Erdogan then used the information to force President Trump to remove his troops from northern [link=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/syria/index.html]Syria[/link], according to the [link=https://spectator.us/seven-whistleblowers-jared-kushner-bin-salman/]Spectator[/link].[/i]
[link=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7646171/Jared-Kushner-greenlit-arrest-Jamal-Khashoggi-phone-call-Saudi-Prince.html]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art…di-Prince.html[/link]
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[b]Trump Bragged He Saved MBS[/b][/h1]
President Trump bragged to Bob Woodward that he protected Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman after the assassination and dismembering of [i]Washington Post[/i] columnist Jamal Khashoggi, [link=https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-woodward-i-saved-his-ass-mbs-khashoggi-rage-2020-9]Business Insider[/link] reports.
Said Trump: I saved his ass. I was able to get Congress to leave him alone. I was able to get them to stop.
The president also told Woodward he doesnt believe MBS ordered Khashoggis murder, despite the fact that the US and other foreign intelligence services concluded he personally ordered the attack.-
All these terrible things the media is making up about Trump. Problem is Trump keeps confirming them all from his own mouth.
[link=https://www.theamericanconservative.com/state-of-the-union/trump-boasts-that-he-saved-mohammed-bin-salman-after-the-khashoggi-murder/]https://www.theamericanco…-the-khashoggi-murder/[/link]
Trump is confirming that the crown prince and the Saudis get a pass from him because they buy U.S.-made weapons, and that is the only thing that really matters to him here. It is important to remember that in light of the presidents more recent [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/09/us/politics/trump-military.html]remarks[/link] where he criticized the top people at the Pentagon for wanting to start wars and enrich weapons manufacturers. Trumps public and private statements about the Saudi relationship and his multiple vetoes of Congressional resolutions opposing arms sales make clear that he thinks selling weapons to client states and boosting profits for weapons manufacturers is his priority. No one has been more interested in ensuring that the companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy than Trump, and he has done that at the expense of civilians in Yemen, justice for Mohammed bin Salmans victims, and the Constitution.
Trump repeated something to Woodward that he has said before publicly about the Saudis dependence on U.S. support:
[blockquote] They wouldnt last a week if were not there, and they know it, he said.
[/blockquote] If that were the case, that would make Trumps complete failure to use this extraordinary leverage all the more damning. The president has had many opportunities to end U.S. involvement in the Saudi-led war on Yemen, and instead he has fought to keep that involvement going at considerable political cost to himself. He boasts to Woodward that he saved Mohammed bin Salman from backlash over the Khashoggi murder, and he makes it clear that he did this to keep U.S. weapons flowing to a kingdom that uses them to massacre civilians in Yemen on a regular basis. The latest report from the book doesnt tell us much that we didnt know before, but it underscores just how despicable the presidents support for the Saudis and their war truly is.-
Trump said to be considering legal immunity for MBS .
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[b]Biden to Call Saudi King Ahead of Damning Report[/b][/h1]
[link=https://www.axios.com/biden-saudi-king-khashoggi-report-29272e86-a315-4d54-b37d-3a4183d178c4.html]Axios[/link]: President Biden plans to call Saudi Arabias King Salman on Wednesday, ahead of the public release of a potentially damning intelligence report about the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
The call, if it happens as scheduled, will be Bidens first conversation as president with the Saudi king. While they are likely to discuss a range of issues, the conversation will be colored by the imminent release of the explosive report expected to involve one of the monarchs sons.-
[link=https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/24/politics/saudi-top-secret-documents-khashoggi-bin-salman/index.html]https://www.cnn.com/2021/…-bin-salman/index.html[/link]
[b]’Top Secret’ Saudi documents show Khashoggi assassins used company seized by Saudi crown prince [/b]
The two private jets used by a Saudi Arabian assassination squad that killed and allegedly dismembered journalist [link=https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/10/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-fast-facts]Jamal Khashoggi[/link] were owned by a company that less than a year prior had been seized by the Kingdom’s powerful crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, according to recently filed court documents seen by CNN.The documents, filed as part of a Canadian civil lawsuit earlier this year, are labeled “Top Secret” and signed by a Saudi minister who relayed the orders of the crown prince, the young de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia.
“According to the instruction of His Highness the Crown Prince,” the minister wrote according to a translation, “immediately approve the completion of the necessary procedures for this.”
The filing lays out how ownership of Sky Prime Aviation was ordered to be transferred into the country’s $400 billion sovereign wealth fund in late 2017. The company’s planes were later used in the October 2018 killing of Khashoggi.
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/news/540441-intelligence-report-will-single-out-saudi-crown-prince-for-approving-khashoggi]US Intelligence report will single out Saudi crown prince for approving Khashoggi murder:[/link]
[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/news/540441-intelligence-report-will-single-out-saudi-crown-prince-for-approving-khashoggi][/link]There is sufficient credible evidence regarding the responsibility of the crown prince demanding further investigation.”
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Let’s see what happens next. Report fingers the little prince, MBS as ordering the murder.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/khashoggi-killing-intelligence-report-release-mbs-saudi-arabia/2021/02/26/df5f6e58-7844-11eb-948d-19472e683521_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…9472e683521_story.html[/link]Saudi Arabias Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman approved the operation that led to the brutal 2018 murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to a long-withheld U.S. intelligence report made public Friday.
The unclassified report, by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, confirmed [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-concludes-saudi-crown-prince-ordered-jamal-khashoggis-assassination/2018/11/16/98c89fe6-e9b2-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_3]classified conclusions[/link] reached by the CIA just weeks after the killing of the dissident writer, a Virginia resident and contributing columnist for The Washington Post.
The two-page report said the intelligence community based its conclusions on the absolute control the crown prince, known as MBS, had over decision-making in the kingdom, his support for using violent measures to silence dissidents abroad, including Khashoggi, and the participation in the operation of his senior aides and security officials.
Last year, on the second anniversary of Khashoggis murder, Biden said that, as president, he would reassess our relationship with the Kingdom, end U.S. support for Saudi Arabias war in Yemen, and make sure America does not check its values at the door to sell arms or buy oil.
Jamals death will not be in vain, Biden said.
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Let’s see what happens next. Report fingers the little prince, MBS as ordering the murder.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/khashoggi-killing-intelligence-report-release-mbs-saudi-arabia/2021/02/26/df5f6e58-7844-11eb-948d-19472e683521_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…9472e683521_story.html[/link]
Saudi Arabias Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman approved the operation that led to the brutal 2018 murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to a long-withheld U.S. intelligence report made public Friday.
The unclassified report, by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, confirmed [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-concludes-saudi-crown-prince-ordered-jamal-khashoggis-assassination/2018/11/16/98c89fe6-e9b2-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_3]classified conclusions[/link] reached by the CIA just weeks after the killing of the dissident writer, a Virginia resident and contributing columnist for The Washington Post.
The two-page report said the intelligence community based its conclusions on the absolute control the crown prince, known as MBS, had over decision-making in the kingdom, his support for using violent measures to silence dissidents abroad, including Khashoggi, and the participation in the operation of his senior aides and security officials.
Last year, on the second anniversary of Khashoggis murder, Biden said that, as president, he would reassess our relationship with the Kingdom, end U.S. support for Saudi Arabias war in Yemen, and make sure America does not check its values at the door to sell arms or buy oil.
Jamals death will not be in vain, Biden said.
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That was some evil sh*t. Wasn’t he a US resident? I’m assuming that nothing significant will personally happen to MBS?-
[link=https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-khashoggi-sanctions-idUSKBN2AQ2QI]https://www.reuters.com/a…anctions-idUSKBN2AQ2QI[/link]
U.S. imposes sanctions, visa bans on Saudis for journalist Khashoggi’s killing[/h1]
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[b]Biden Says Saudi Announcement to Come Monday[/b][/h1]
[link=https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-khashoggi-biden-idUSKCN2AR0MT]Reuters[/link]: President Joe Biden on Saturday said his administration would make an announcement on Saudi Arabia on Monday, following a U.S. intelligence report that found Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman had approved the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
The Biden administration has faced some criticism, notably an [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/02/26/mohammed-bin-salman-is-guilty-murder-biden-should-not-give-him-pass/]editorial in the Washington Post[/link], that the president should have been tougher on the crown prince, who was not sanctioned despite being blamed for approving Khashoggis murder. -
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/540912-pompeo-release-of-khashoggi-report-by-biden-admin-reckless]Pompeo: Release of Khashoggi report by Biden admin ‘reckless'[/link]
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[h1][link=https://thehill.com/policy/international/549617-house-passes-bill-limiting-arms-sales-to-saudi-arabia-over-khashoggi]House passes bill limiting arms sales to Saudi Arabia over Khashoggi killing[/link][/h1]
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Phil Mickelson Apologizes for Support of Saudi-Backed Golf League
[link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2022%2F02%2F22%2Fsports%2Fgolf%2Fmickelson-saudi-league-pga.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/22/s…eague-pga.html[/link]
[i]Mickelson told me he had enlisted three other top players he declined to name and that they paid for attorneys to write the SGLs operating agreement, codifying that the players would have control of all the details. He didnt pretend to be excited about hitching his fortunes to Saudi Arabia, admitting the SGL was nothing more than what he called sportswashing by a brutally repressive regime. Theyre scary mother[bleep] to get involved with, he said. We know they killed [[i]Washington Post[/i] reporter and U.S. resident Jamal] Khashoggi and have a horrible record on human rights. They execute people over there for being gay. Knowing all of this, why would I even consider it? Because this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to reshape how the PGA Tour operates. Theyve been able to get by with manipulative, coercive, strong-arm tactics because we, the players, had no recourse. As nice a guy as [PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan] comes across as, unless you have leverage, he wont do whats right. And the Saudi money has finally given us that leverage. Im not sure I even want [the SGL] to succeed, but just the idea of it is allowing us to get things done with the [PGA] Tour.[/i]
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Phil Mickelson on Tuesday said he regretted his recent comments in support of a breakaway golf tour backed by Saudi Arabia and suggested he might take a leave from the golf course to prioritize the ones I love most and work on being the man I want to be.
I used words I sincerely regret that do not reflect my true feelings or intentions, Mickelson said in a statement. It was reckless, I offended people and I am deeply sorry for my choice of words. Im beyond disappointed and will make every effort to self-reflect and learn from this.
Not that I have any sympathy for FIGJAM, but I did want to quote from the part of the story that the title of the piece referenced.
Dergons quote in isolation is not quite fair at this point. But it was horrible when he said it! Does he deserve to be forgiven? I havent.
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I don’t think what he said was “horrible” at all.
He spoke the truth … very bluntly … and now it is costing him his sponsors and perhaps his career.
Edit: I mean what he said [i]about the Saudis [/i]wasn’t horrible. That he was clear eyed about it and completely willing to look past all of it in order to gain leverage against the PGA … yeah.-
What was horrible to me that he was willing to accept all of that and still choose to join the Saudi backed tour. It is costing him his sponsors because he didnt denounce the Saudis and planned to follow the money. He is apologizing now that the rest of his PGA Tour colleagues did not follow his lead, but it is too late.
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ah … please see my edit … simul-posted to your reply
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Perhaps you dont follow golf?
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I don’t think what he said was “horrible” at all.
He spoke the truth … very bluntly … and now it is costing him his sponsors and perhaps his career.
Edit: I mean what he said [i]about the Saudis [/i]wasn’t horrible. That he was clear eyed about it and completely willing to look past all of it in order to gain leverage against the PGA … yeah.
just my 2 cents. Phil saw a big pay day with the Saudis and some people will look the other way. He’s one of them. Granted he’s a great golfer but he’s very much $$$$ driven. So far it’s ended up biting him the rear end. KMMG dropped him and big names on tour are calling him out.
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I don’t think what he said was “horrible” at all.
He spoke the truth … very bluntly … and now it is costing him his sponsors and perhaps his career.
[b]Edit: I mean what he said [i]about the Saudis [/i]wasn’t horrible. That he was clear eyed about it and completely willing to look past all of it in order to gain leverage against the PGA … yeah.[/b]
Thanks. Exactly.-
New Saudi golf tour announces dates and locations
Trump’s Bedminster on the list of course …
[link=https://twitter.com/Daniel_Rapaport/status/1504120328276094982]https://twitter.com/Danie…us/1504120328276094982[/link]
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Biden admin should switch gears. Make the whole 911 report and the Saudi connections go far and wide. Let the families file lawsuits. Cut them off.
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[link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-u-s-saudi-relations-reached-the-breaking-point-11650383578]Wall Street Journal[/link]
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, wearing shorts at his seaside palace, sought a relaxed tone for his first meeting with President Bidens national-security adviser, Jake Sullivan, last September.
The 36-year-old crown prince ended up shouting at Mr. Sullivan after he raised the 2018 killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi. The prince told Mr. Sullivan he never wanted to discuss the matter again And the U.S. could forget about its request to boost oil production, he told Mr. Sullivan.
The relationship between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia has hit its lowest point in decades, with Mr. Biden saying in 2019 that the kingdom should be treated like a pariah over human-rights issues such as Mr. Khashoggis murder.
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[link=https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pompeo-biden-calling-saudi-arabia-pariah-state-enormous-mistake]https://www.foxnews.com/p…state-enormous-mistake[/link]
Biden heads to Saudi to do some groveling …
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Mike Pompeo: Hold my beer![/b]“There’s only one country in that whole region that wants to threaten the United States of America and Israel and wipe us from the face of the earth,” Pompeo continued. “That’s the leadership in Iran and the kingdom of Saudi Arabia’s been an important partner in helping protect us from that threat.”
Pompeo also said “the transformations that have taken place in Saudi Arabia, we can all argue about the pace and the speed with which they’ve taken place, but it disbanded police forces that threatened women” and that the “crown prince has made life better for all the Saudi people, including females there.”
The Crown Prince has made life better for all the Saudi people, including females there. This is a transformational leader.
(The Fox host then praises Pompeo and Jared Kushner for helping transform MBS.)
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[h1][b]Trump Signs Deal With Saudi Real Estate Developer on eve of Campaign Launch[/b][/h1]
The Trump family has struck a deal with a Saudi-based real estate company to license its name to a housing and golf complex that will be built in Oman, renewing a swirl of questions about former President Donald Trumps mixing of politics and business just as he appears poised to announce a third presidential candidacy, the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/14/us/politics/trump-organization-oman-saudi.html]New York Times[/link] reports.
News of the deal, the first such international marketing agreement the Trump Organization has negotiated since Mr. Trump left the White House, emerged as the former president already faces a string of investigations into his business.
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I’d like to see the Biden admin find a way to nail the Saudis. We just knee capped China on advanced chips. They seem hell bent on getting to us through things like cutting oil.
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I’d like to see the Biden admin find a way to nail the Saudis. We just knee capped China on advanced chips. They seem hell bent on getting to us through things like cutting oil.
Here’s your nailing:
Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing[/h1]
[link=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63671947]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63671947[/link]-
The sad reality of trying to sue & prosecute a countrys leader or officer for real crimes, there are too many instances around the world. This despite all the past attacks & murders on US soil by foreign countries. As far back as 1976, the Letelier-Moffitt bombing murders by Chiles President Pinochet was never prosecuted in the US.
[link=https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-biden-has-given-mbs-immunity-over-the-khashoggi-killing/]https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-biden-has-given-mbs-immunity-over-the-khashoggi-killing/[/link]
[link=https://www.counterpunch.org/2004/12/18/indictment-of-pinochet-a-victory-for-international-law/]https://www.counterpunch.org/2004/12/18/indictment-of-pinochet-a-victory-for-international-law/[/link]
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I’d like to see the Biden admin find a way to nail the Saudis. We just knee capped China on advanced chips. They seem hell bent on getting to us through things like cutting oil.
Here’s your nailing:
Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing
[link=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63671947]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63671947[/link]totally unrelated i’m sure
[link=https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/saudi-arabia-eyes-opec-production-increase-wsj-2022-11-21/] Saudi Arabia eyes OPEC+ production increase[/link]
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Elections didn’t work out there way and maybe they see Trump as the loser he is.
Take US produced oil back off the open market and build refining capacity in the US. Big republican talking point about US not producing oil. Well we do but under Obama I believe is when we started exporting again.-
That will be opposed by Republicans. Lowering the price of oil by keeping domestic oil would be opposed by the oil industry, therefore opposed by Republicans who want to keep it high for Americans who want to blame such on Biden. In addition, it would likely raise the cost of global oil by removing 1 more supplier – us a major global supplier, bigger than the Saudis.
But the reality is that we still consume more oil than we produce so we still need to buy foreign oil. Until we reduce our consumption that is.-
I remember when the Dems thought it was a good thing to have high gas prices so it would stem the demand for consumption…
One could make the case this was good policy considering the health of the planet and all. Now inflation is the number one thing keeping them from possible election wins. Hmmm.
Lesson? Just be honest with people. Having a healthy place to live is worth it. Or is it?
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[link=https://www.thedailybeast.com/mike-pompeo-shrugs-off-jamal-khashoggis-brutal-murder]Mike Pompeo Shrugs Off Jamal Khashoggi’s Brutal Murder
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Former Secretary of State [link=https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-former-secretary-of-state-mike-pompeo-joins-fox-news]Mike Pompeo[/link], a possible 2024 GOP presidential run, claimed [link=https://www.thedailybeast.com/nikki-haley-schemed-with-ivanka-and-kushner-to-be-named-vice-president-pompeo-book]in his new book[/link] that slain [i]Washington Post[/i] columnist Jamal Khashoggi received too much sympathy from the media following [link=https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-saudis-may-have-killed-khashoggi-but-the-us-doesnt-care]his brutal 2018 murder[/link]. [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/mike-pompeo-criticizes-jamal-khashoggi-activist-rcna66973]According to an excerpt[/link] obtained by NBC News, Pompeo mockingly asserted the media portrayed Khashoggi as a Saudi Arabian Bob Woodward who was martyred for bravely criticizing the Saudi royal family through his opinion articles in the [i]Washington Post[/i].
[link=https://www.thedailybeast.com/secretary-of-state-mike-pompeo-saudis-have-already-paid-the-price-for-khashoggis-murder]The ex-Trump administration official[/link] also criticized Khashoggi as an activist who was a member of the terrorist-supporting Muslim Brotherhood, an allegation that Khashoggis widow denied. He didnt deserve to die, but we need to be clear about who he was and too many in the media were not, Pompeo wrote, adding that the ugly killing of Khashoggi wasnt surprising due to Middle Eastern culture.
Id seen enough of the Middle East to know that this kind of ruthlessness was all too routine in that part of the world, he insisted. Pompeo, who was also a former CIA director,[link=https://www.thedailybeast.com/pompeo-wont-say-if-he-accepts-cia-report-on-jamal-khashoggi-murder] wouldnt say last year [/link]whether he accepted the agencys finding that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered Khashoggis murder in 2018.[/QUOTE]
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Saudi oil & relationship w MBS is too important than to have a brutal murder interfere.
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