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Impeachment Time!!!
[link=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2014/01/15/senate-intelligence-committee-review-terror-attacks-on-us-facilities-in/]http://www.foxnews.com/po…s-on-us-facilities-in/[/link]
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I’ll bite…on what grounds?
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The senate committed clearly acknowledged that there was no indication that such an attack was going to happen. The main problem was that the embassy was a mile away from the CIA office when they should have coincided at the same location. Meanwhile, Stevens is on record declining State’s offer to provide such additional protection because he said it might come across as being threatening to the surrounding culture to have all those armed guards around the place. And yet, somehow this is Obama’s fault?
It is pure theatrics to claim it “could have been prevented”. It’s like saying 9/11 “could have been prevented” if Bush had read the intelligence report, or if security did a body search of Atta at the gate. Sure, we could have prevented the attack at Pearl Harbor if FDR had invested a few more bucks in refining our radar technology. The coulda, shoulda list goes on and on. Only problem is there is no sign of deliberate negligence.
Monday morning quarterbacking at its finest.
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Bad news for the State Department (and Hillary) given the degree to which State is faulted for not beefing security. But overall there is nothing particularly new and certainly nothing impeachable.
The fact that Louis Gohmert is dismissing the report as lacking facts pretty much confirms it doesn’t do much damage 😉
The report cautions that no one in the intelligence community was aware of specific plans for the Sept. 11 attack before it happened. A source in Libya did try to contact Libyan officials hours before the attack, the report states, but the Libyan officials were out of the country.
Addressing some of the most controversial elements surrounding the attack, the report finds that there were no military assets positioned in a place where they could have saved the Americans killed in the attack. Republicans, including several on the House Oversight Committee, have accused the administration of failing to use deploy a military response to save those Americans while the compound was under attack.
The report states that the military attempted to move some assets, but only an unmanned drone was able to make it in time.
The committee has reviewed the allegations that U.S. personnel, including the [intelligence community] or [Department of Defense], prevented the mounting of any military relief during the attacks, but the committee has not found any of these allegations to be substantiated, the report states.
The report also addresses the controversial talking points that were used by then-U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice on the Sunday morning news shows days after the attack. Republicans have charged that the administration engaged in a political ploy when it changed talking points and stated the attack was prompted by a protest in response to an anti-Islam video. The report finds that the intelligence picture created after the attack was what contributed to the talking points.
In intelligence reports after September 11, 2012, intelligence analysts inaccurately referred to the presence of a protest at the U.S. mission facility before the attack based on open source information and limited intelligence, but without sufficient intelligence or eyewitness statements to corroborate that assertion, according to a summary of the report released by the Intelligence Committee. The [intelligence community] took too long to correct these erroneous reports, which caused confusion and influenced the public statements of policymakers.
Republican critics of the administrations handling of the attack dismissed the reports findings as lacking all the necessary facts to reach a conclusion. Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said the administration has been involved in a cover-up to keep the facts from coming to light.
There is never a shortage of bipartisanship when we dont have all the facts, Gohmert told reporters at a conservative event on Wednesday.Read more: [link=http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/senate-benghazi-report-102202_Page2.html#ixzz2qV66iAxl]http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/senate-benghazi-report-102202_Page2.html#ixzz2qV66iAxl[/link]
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From the Democrat controlled Senate! Mighty bold…
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You are the one who linked to the document claiming impeachment…now you are dismissing it?
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And the senate committee’s report clearly acknowledges that Stevens repeatedly [u]declined[/u] General Ham’s offer to provide Site Security Team (SST) support.
It sure sounds like if the attack could have been prevented, [u]Stevens[/u] was the guy who could have prevented it.
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And where does it say that exactly? Never mind found it. Stevens declined a 16 man team of protectors. Stoopid. Probably would’nt have helped much. Doesn’t let anyone off the hook.
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And where does it say that exactly? Never mind found it. Stevens declined a 16 man team of protectors. Stoopid. Probably would’nt have helped much. Doesn’t let anyone off the hook.
And he declined such support [u]SEVERAL[/u] times when offered by the general.
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Cardiac…please don’t deflect: there will be a drip by drip implosion in New Jersey daily just like the picture in the paper with Christie and the guy he claims to really not know but was hired with what job discription.. Though Christie’s narcissism was full throttle imho when he said I did not know David..like I was a Jock back then…what happened
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Cardiac…please don’t deflect: there will be a drip by drip implosion in New Jersey daily just like the picture in the paper with Christie and the guy he claims to really not know but was hired with what job discription.. Though Christie’s narcissism was full throttle imho when he said I did not know David..like I was a Jock back then…what happened
And you guys whine at ME for not sticking to topic…. Noah, WFT are you smoking? Do you live in Colorado and partonize the new shops? You make even less sence than I do and thats sayin a lot.
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Cardiac…. I don’t reside in that state so I am not part of the great social experiment going on there…used to live and work in Jersey so I always love the political stories. American Hustle was pretty funny/ you should see it.
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Cardiac…please don’t deflect: there will be a drip by drip implosion in New Jersey daily just like the picture in the paper with Christie and the guy he claims to really not know but was hired with what job discription.. Though Christie’s narcissism was full throttle imho when he said I did not know David..like I was a Jock back then…what happened
And you guys whine at ME for not sticking to topic…. Noah, WFT are you smoking? Do you live in Colorado and partonize the new shops? You make even less sence than I do and thats sayin a lot.
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[b]The Dam Could Break on Impeachment This Thursday [/b]
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[link=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/dam-could-break-impeachment-week-n1057741?cid=public-rss_20190923]NBC News[/link]: House Democrats have been pulling together a wide-ranging case to impeach President Trump on a series of alleged past and ongoing crimes against the country a set of charges that goes far beyond the Mueller report and all signs point to a possible public inflection point later this week, when acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire testifies before the House Intelligence Committee.
Said one senior House Democratic aide: The dam could break on Thursday.
The panels chairman, Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) has been the most reluctant of Speaker Nancy Pelosis top lieutenants to move toward impeaching the president, but Democrats say Schiff is spitting hot vinegar over Maguires decision to withhold an intelligence community whistleblowers complaint about Trumps dealings with Ukraine at the insistence of the Justice Department. -
I’ll go out on a limb myself and say that if Maguire no-shows on Thursday or refuses to give answer due to claims of privilege then that pushes Democrats over the cliff and on to formal impeachment hearings.
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In your excitement you got the impeachment wrong.
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Anyone notice Karen Pence popping up all over the place lately. As if maybe the Pences are looking at a possible seat and she needs to look like First Lady.
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If the democrats dont vote to impeach…. that may fracture their base
The progressives want it
Its better to impeach then have a fired up progressive base
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The progressives really do not have the democratic parties best interests at heart. They would happily see the party blow up if it advanced their goals. They really dont like anyone right of them.
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The progressives really do not have the democratic parties best interests at heart. They would happily see the party blow up if it advanced their goals. They really dont like anyone right of them.
There’s a lot of politics, yes. And the AUP/Warren axis calling dems who oppose imeachment “complicit” certainly doesn’t help.
But you’re starting to see some of those moderate Dems in Trump districts lean toward impeachment now.
The question for me is whether anything can move the needle on public opinion. If Dems can get to 50/50 with independents on inpeachment then I suppose going forward.
But it’s 35/65 now or something in that neighborhood. If independent voters hate the idea then it’s probably not great politics for 2020.
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Doesn’t let anyone off the hook.
Who is ON the hook? I see no names or allegations about negligence or culpability.
If you ask me, the only person “on the hook”died in Benghazi. And he will remain the unspoken elephant in the room because no one wants to point a finger at a dead hero.
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From the Democrat controlled Senate! Mighty bold…
Yep. It is a report from a Democrat controlled Senate. Which makes me wonder why you thought there was going to be some impeachable material in there in the first place.
You can read the dissent of the GOP committee members and come to the conclusion that it’s just the same old rehashing of all the same complaints they’ve had. Nothing new.
So what was it that prompted you to title the thread “Impeachment Time!!!” rather than “Senate releases Benghazi report that has little effect on the politics of the issue!!!” ?
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No, I do not agree that the progressives want to destroy the Democratic Party. They are not the Trumpets, like cigar/IB and others who did announce their support due to a desire to destroy the Republican Party and turn everything upside down. There is no equivalence. The goals and outlook are 180 degrees opposite. Warren & even Bernie & none of the others are not the revolutionaries wanting to burn down the palace.
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When you start losing elections because the center is turned off by you giving in to demands of the progressives, and the progressives blame you moderate democrats for not being extreme enough youll get it. Till then, youve been warned.
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Cant you say the same for republicans?
The extremist NRA
Mitch McConnell essentially shutting down debate and government
You dont think that turns off the centrists too?
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[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/24/us/politics/democrats-impeachment-trump.html?emc=rss&partner=rss]House Barrels Toward Impeachment Decisions as Democratic Resistance Crumbles[/link]
House Democrats hurtled on Tuesday toward a consequential set of decisions about the potential impeachment of President Trump, weighing a course that could reshape his presidency amid starting allegations that he sought to enlist a foreign power to aid him politically.Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who has stubbornly resisted a rush to impeachment, appeared to be rapidly changing course, as lawmakers from every corner of her caucus lined up in favor of filing formal charges against Mr. Trump if the allegations are proven true, or if his administration continues to stonewall attempts by Congress to investigate them.
Ms. Pelosi planned a meeting Tuesday afternoon to coordinate strategy with the six committee chairmen who have led the investigations of Mr. Trump, followed by a broader closed-door meeting of all of the chambers Democrats to brief them and gauge their mood in light of the changed circumstances.
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“Cant you say the same for republicans?
The extremist NRA
Mitch McConnell essentially shutting down debate and government”
Of course I can. But I think at least some centrists would rather have to decide between who they liked the most rather than who repulsed them the least. But that’s just me, you want to go full tilt for the progressive agenda be my guest. When you start losing you can console yourself that Republicans are just evil.-
What is full tilt? Obama’s healthcare plan, the ACA was a full market-based Republican/Conservative designed plan & yet he was derided as “full tilt” liberal for the plan despite the fact that several Republican provisions were added in order to attempt their support. The Republicans negotiated in bad faith intending these provisions to be poison pills because to a man and woman they turned their backs on any plan as a strategy to deny Obama and Democrats any sort of success at all. I don’t recall any “Centrist” Republicans declaring their support of the ACA.
Even the Green New Deal is hardly a revolutionary proposal. And the reality is that no serious presidential candidate expects to have their proposals adopted overnight willy-nilly upon winning any election. That’s fear-mongering as it’s been similar to climate arguments from the Right and “Center”-Right that the proposals were overnight adoptions of never using any fossil fuels ever again. Such silly notions seem real to the alternate-facts right.
Question. Who are these “Centrist” Republicans and Conservatives and WHAT exactly do they stand for? I’ve read the writings of Never-Trumpers who are frankly confused about where conservatism stands right now since they seem in the minority while all the others, centrists and full-bore right wingnuts are firmly in Trump’s camp giving full support.
So who are they and what are they supporting? All the “centrist” Republicans are today’s RINOs according to Republicans and Conservatives. Where are Republicans moving towards any compromise at all? Even by millimeters?
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“Even the Green New Deal is hardly a revolutionary proposal. And the reality is that no serious presidential candidate expects to have their proposals adopted overnight willy-nilly upon winning any election. That’s fear-mongering as it’s been similar to climate arguments from the Right and “Center”-Right that the proposals were overnight adoptions of never using any fossil fuels ever again. Such silly notions seem real to the alternate-facts right.”
So these are not a serious proposals? Ummm… What parts? Please assuage my concerns. I linked the parts that I found highly concerning in an alternate thread and you made absolutely no refutation there. You basically said “well we gotta do something.”
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Pelosi to make a statement this afternoon… probably special select committee
Train leaving the station
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Never said or implied not serious proposals. Please dont put words in my fingers. No one expects anything to be legislated as is without any modifications or even that everything discussed today would be implemented overnight. That is right-wing Talking Point stuff.
We all have got to do something is correct because status quo caused this.
And again, who are the centrists, the moderate Republicans & Conservatives & what is their view?
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“Never said or implied not serious proposals. Please dont put words in my fingers. No one expects anything to be legislated as is without any modifications or even that everything discussed today would be implemented overnight. That is right-wing Talking Point stuff.
We all have got to do something is correct because status quo caused this.”
OK so “Green New Deal” is as I read it? Got it. I fail to see how reading a plan and concluding the plan reflects the intentions of the author is somehow a “right wing talking point.” If they don’t like how I am reading their plan, they can revise it or clarify it.
In answer to your second query. I would say centrist occupy a space between liberals and conservatives, they accept limited (but some) government interference in personal lives when justifiable, accept taxation to support needed public projects as long as it’s not to excess and favor slow change.
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Dumb move by the Libs. They will lose the election.
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I’m afraid I agree. It’s going to be horribly painful to watch.
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Maybe. I was strongly opposed to impeachment until a few days ago. The Ukraine thing changed my mind. (And changed the mind of dozens of moderate Dems…. it’s not just the “libs” any more)
I have no idea how the politics will play out in the short/long term. But I now support the decision on principle.
(I also look forward to the expanded subpoena power for testimony/documents on multiple fronts)
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I’m listening to Chris Wallace. I take him as a serious news person and he’s saying “there’s something here for congress to investigate”.
Some strong language like “betrayal of national security”
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I’m listening to Chris Wallace. I take him as a serious news person and he’s saying “there’s something here for congress to investigate”.
Some strong language like “betrayal of national security”
Also looks like the Senate unanimously passed a Schumer thing to get the the whistle blower stuff immediately. So even the GOP.
Senate will slow play …. Put it to the intel committee …. settle for whatever the White House gives them ….
then Ernst and Collins will take the cover and ay they did their duty
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Just released:
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/us/politics/trump-bolton-ukraine.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/u…n-ukraine.html[/link]
Trump Told Bolton to Help His Ukraine Pressure Campaign[/h1]
More than two months before he asked Ukraines president to investigate his political opponents, President Trump directed John R. Bolton, then his national security adviser, to help with his pressure campaign to extract damaging information on Democrats from Ukrainian officials, according to an unpublished manuscript by Mr. Bolton.Trump asked Bolton to call Zelensky to ensure he would meet with Giuliani. Cipollone and Mulvaney were in room.
The GOP are filled with cowards.
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They dont care
This is there last hold on power so they are clinging to it
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Curious.. It is proven in Video and Audio that Binden quid pro quo the Ukrainians to save his son’s arse. With just that bit of solid evidence, is there any US legal recourse to go after Joe just for that? Or at least have an Asterisk * near his name in the History books as a corrupt VP of the Obama Admin?
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How is it proven?
It was US and our European allies policy and objective to remove that prosecutor
Thats what is proven
Dont play this stupid fng game with me
If you think trump should not be removed then gone I can respect that but when you make sheet up in order to connect conspiratorial theory…… you make yourself look stupid
Hunter Biden was on Barisma board probably because of his name…. but that doesnt mean is policy was influenced for 50 fng Grand a month job
Thats just ignorant conspiracy for the undereducated
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Only someone with a uneducated point of view can really think that a major US policy decision was affected for a 50grand a month board seat
There is reason generations of Americans are poor….. because they are stupid enough to believe sheet fed to them by their masters
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Lamar Alexander’s statement just deflated the whole impeachment thing.
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Lamar Alexander’s statement just deflated the whole impeachment thing.
Lamar said that the House proved it case and that Trump was guilty of the charges but that Lamar did not think the charges justified being convicted of impeachment. He also said conviction, “would just pour gasoline on cultural fires that are burning out there.” Which is entirely missing the point since the vote was merely for having witnesses. Apparently the believe that Trump was guilty is enough, no need to prove it further because anyone who thought Trump would be convicted by any Republican is drinking the Kool-Aid.
The impeachment was never about conviction since everyone knew Republicans would never convict regardless of the evidence as Lamar and others have already said or rather insinuated.
Long story short, @SenatorAlexander most likely expressed the sentiments of the country as a whole as well as any single Senator possibly could, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina and a close ally of Mr. Trumps, [link=https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1223260569702215681]wrote on Twitter.[/link]
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Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, put it this way: Lamar speaks for lots and lots of us.
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Lamar Alexander’s statement just deflated the whole impeachment thing.
Lamar said that the House proved it case and that Trump was guilty of the charges but that Lamar did not think the charges justified being convicted of impeachment. He also said conviction, “would just pour gasoline on cultural fires that are burning out there.” Which is entirely missing the point since the vote was merely for having witnesses. Apparently the believe that Trump was guilty is enough, no need to prove it further because anyone who thought Trump would be convicted by any Republican is drinking the Kool-Aid.
The impeachment was never about conviction since everyone knew Republicans would never convict regardless of the evidence as Lamar and others have already said or rather insinuated.
Long story short, @SenatorAlexander most likely expressed the sentiments of the country as a whole as well as any single Senator possibly could, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina and a close ally of Mr. Trumps, [link=https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1223260569702215681]wrote on Twitter.[/link]
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Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, put it this way: Lamar speaks for lots and lots of us.
Thanks for confirming that this was not about conducting a legitimate impeachment.
If the constitution said: [i]on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, cheesy political moves other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.[/i]
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No one ever said the impeachment was not legitimate.
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No one ever said the impeachment was not legitimate.
So if the impeachment was ‘never about conviction’, how was it legitimate ?
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You deliberately twist my words to a non meaning. You think impeachment is only legitimate if conviction is guaranteed? So no impeachment has ever been legitimate then.
What I said & you are fully aware of both what I said & my meaning, is that Republicans would never convict Trump regardless of what was proved. The case against Trump was definitely proved as Lamar Alexander conceded. Republicans would & will never convict in spite of proven evidence.
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Please plan for 2024. Get M. Obama to run. Get back to center, find solutions that benefit the country and be honest with your past Elitism and discriminator actions within your own party. Call them out. None of your candidates have the spine, wit, nor energy to take on Trump except for maybe Bloomberg who can at least talk Money. Stop relying on career politicians and lawyers. Find a military or business candidate You will lose 2020.
So.. what was Biden’s intention or meaning when he was on Video? Please explain. He states the US would withhold 1 Billion in loan guarantees if the prosecutor wasn’t fire. Isn’t that abuse of Power? Yes… it is. So keep making stuff up. Keep being little Schiffs. It just shows your Narcissism to true events. -
We will see
Republicans got smoked in the midterms and the trump Administration is the most corrupt in American history
His negatives have soared amongst independents since impeachment
Considering trumps approval rate has had a ceiling of 43%, Im confused by your confidence
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And Biden will beat trump like a drum if he is the nominee
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And Biden will beat trump like a drum if he is the nominee
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They tend to be much more truthful than FOX
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How does CNN feel about Biden being a white old heterosexual male?
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/481260-manchin-calls-for-bipartisan-censure-of-trump]Manchin calls for bipartisan censure of Trump[/link]
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/481260-manchin-calls-for-bipartisan-censure-of-trump]Manchin calls for bipartisan censure of Trump[/link]
Smart move. Puts a bit of pressure on “reasonable” Republicans. (Joe still in the hot seat himself though)
Good.
The republicans in democrat states can vote for it to reduce the negative effect of their acquittal vote. They can stick to the ‘well it was wrong but it wasn’t impeachable’ argument and keep their seats. Same for Manchin.
If Trump wasn’t such an idiot, he would take such a censure with humility and refrain from going unhinged on the republicans who vote for it. But he can’t do that, he’ll go all Corleone on the ‘traitors’.
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How does CNN feel about Biden being a white old heterosexual male?
Is there a secret dog whistle message there in your question?
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How does CNN feel about Biden being a white old heterosexual male?
Is there a secret dog whistle message there in your question?
More of a rhetorical question.
I’m sure there’s going to be a lot of disgruntled employees less than excited to push Biden who’s despicable on so many fronts (white, male, old, cis, straight, kissing women without consent, capitalist, out of touch, sexually unattractive). Jeff Zucker will have a lot of “shut up and do your job” team building to do.[link=https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/19/politics/republican-lawmakers-party-of-white-men/index.html]https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/19/politics/republican-lawmakers-party-of-white-men/index.html[/link]
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[/link]Then there’s probably a Hunter bomb sitting somewhere on a GOP server in case dad gets a nomination.
Seems like a tough place for Democrats right now, stuck between Biden and a communist.
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If you want Hunter bombs or whatever the GOP is essentially legitimizing that. Foreign interference can work both bays. Maybe Nancy should get on TV and ask for dirt. She wont though because shes not Trump.
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If you want Hunter bombs or whatever the GOP is essentially legitimizing that. Foreign interference can work both bays. Maybe Nancy should get on TV and ask for dirt. She wont though because shes not Trump.
Every single one should. Problem is that Russia is likely Trump’s largest benefactor & they love TRump giving away the store to them.
They should also run on getting Trump’s tax records and Deutsche Bank’s records.
LOCK HIM UP!
LOCK HIM UP!
LOCK HIM UP!
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Is it over yet ?
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Funny Adam
Schiff saysTrump if left unchecked will sell Alaska to the Russians
….. uhhhhhhh NO ADAM
…. trump probably doesnt realize we own it and would buy it again thinking he got a good deal
Schiff gives trump too much credit
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Happen to be listening to a bit of the impeachment vote. Mitt is straight up dropping fire. Hes saying the only way to see the Biden investigation is as a political investigation and POTUS did an impeachable high crime. Did not see that coming.
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[h1]Mitt Romney Will Vote to Convict Trump[/h1] Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) announced he will vote to convict President Trump on abuse of power, the New York Times reports.
Said Romney: I think the case was made.
He added: I believe that attempting to corrupt an election to maintain power is about as egregious an assault on the Constitution as can be made. And for that reason, it is a high crime and misdemeanor and I have no choice under the oath that I took but to express that conclusion.
Romney told the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/with-his-vote-to-convict-trump-on-abuse-of-power-romney-will-break-with-his-party–and-awaits-the-consequences/2020/02/05/a76dce74-4841-11ea-ab15-b5df3261b710_story.html]Washington Post[/link] that his decision to vote to convict the president the hardest decision he has ever had to make.
[link=https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1225132798643707904]New York Times[/link]
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“I support a great deal of what the president has done…but my promise before God to imply impartial justice required that I put my personal feelings and political biases aside.”
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Mitt never liked Trump. Trump succeeded where he failed. Oh well.
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White House cancels its press conference immediately as word comes of Mitt’s conviction vote
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Sounds like trumps popularity is skyrocketing like fox and friends claims
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How is it proven?
It was US and our European allies policy and objective to remove that prosecutor
Thats what is proven
Dont play this stupid fng game with me
If you think trump should not be removed then gone I can respect that but when you make sheet up in order to connect conspiratorial theory…… you make yourself look stupid
Hunter Biden was on Barisma board probably because of his name…. but that doesnt mean is policy was influenced for 50 fng Grand a month job
Thats just ignorant conspiracy for the undereducated
Lets see… It’s on tape and Biden was the VP and he did demand the government remove the prosecuting person that was tide to his sons investigation. Correct? Is that not abuse of VP presidential power? Again, it’s on tape. Should we get a transcript as well? Again it’s on tape. Deny it. You can’t and your argument is weak. Typical socialist elitist. Joe did WRONG!
Trump will not be impeached, you will favor and take his good works in savings and wealth while complaining. You have 2024 to look forward to. Plan now and plan with strategy and not emotions. Trumps got 5 more years to screw up. We all know the left will waiting to pounce instead of work for the people.
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[link=https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/05-18-2023/gops-first-biden-impeachment-move/]Politico
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[h2][b]Marjorie Taylor Greene[/b] is introducing articles of impeachment against [b]Joe Biden[/b].[/h2]
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene said Thursday that she will introduce articles of impeachment against President Joe Biden.
The Georgia Republican said the articles would deal with Bidens handling of border security, accusing him of an absolute failure to protect the states.…
[b] [/b]Is there a bigger example of a shameless sideshow political stunt than a trolling impeachment attack by one of the most extreme MAGA members in Congress over national security while she actively demands to defund the FBI and even said she wouldve been armed and would have won the January 6 insurrection if only shed been in charge of it?” said White House spokesperson Ian Sams in a statement.
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isn’t this like once every few weeks she does this. MTG is not a serious person.
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He is abusing his power
If the republicans dont step up they will eventually pay for this
Might not be 2020 but the enabling republicans will suffer long term
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House finally moves to impeach trump.
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I’m wondering how stonewalling works if they do say impeachment proceeding proceed. So far congress has been bending over and taking whatever the Trumpers have given.
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Supreme Court would be much more likely to force testimony and documents
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It is an inquiry, not impeachment.
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You dont need to worry about centrists. You should worry about what the progressives, who have been waiting for a Trump impeachment for 3 years, will do to the party if this turn up empty.
Ill leave you with this, cause we do not seem to be having a constructive conversation right now.
[link=https://www.apnews.com/55dddb1f5a7f428f9cc6354fea43e67e]https://www.apnews.com/55…7f428f9cc6354fea43e67e[/link]-
It’s sad/interesting to watch cnn/msnbc versus fox cover this story. Both sides are so opinionated you get nothing close to the truth of the issue at hand. Do yourself a favor and follow this story on a site like BBC. Wasting your time with our propagandized/polarized media.
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Yeah I use this chart whenever I am visiting a new news site just to get an idea of how fringe it might be.
[link=https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-biased-is-your-news-source-you-probably-wont-agree-with-this-chart-2018-02-28]https://www.marketwatch.c…-this-chart-2018-02-28[/link]
AP is pretty solid, up there with BBC.
There is also the newsguard plugin for most browsers (including edge browser for ios). It is less useful but at least will give you a red alert if you are venturing off the reservation into crazytown. Occupy democrats and infowars fail most of newsguards checklists for example.
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This is the death of the republicans
Even if they win 2020
They are on life support
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Well then why the negativity? Youre about to get everything you ever wanted am I right? If only these damn old conservatives would just drop dead already! Get out the impeachment pillow!!!
LOL sorry I just couldnt help it.
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Not real sure what you are saying
I honestly dont want a dishonest preek as our president
Im actually sorry that he is a total POS
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Maybe I should be like
Hello yes my president is a POS
Actually it sucks and its embarrassing
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This Ukraine story is a total non-issue.
Democrats may win in 2020, but if they do, it’ll be because they’ve been importing millions of voters (legally and illegally). Nothing more or less. And regardless of what Trump does, there’s basically nothing that can be done to halt the demographic demise of the Right in the US.
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It’s sad/interesting to watch cnn/msnbc versus fox cover this story. Both sides are so opinionated you get nothing close to the truth of the issue at hand. Do yourself a favor and follow this story on a site like BBC. Wasting your time with our propagandized/polarized media.
I’m down to PBS NewsHour as the only domestic news I can watch. (Audio Bloomberg on the morning drive plays it down the middle pretty well … and they do a fair bit of political analysis … mostly with a market take)
In 2010/2012/2014 I used to love watching CNN for the granular data analysis on election night on a district-by-district basis. But now it’s just unwatchable.-
This “both sides” argument is not only stale, it’s mouldy. Yes, if you want you can get a mirror version of Fox by watching MSNBC, but “both sides” equally propagandist? No. Yes, you will get the Times or Post, etc occasionally print something erroneous, whole or art, but they will print a correction. Fox? Fox & other right-wing media is exactly like TRump, NEVER, EVER admit a mistake or apologize and deny, deny deny even if you were caught on video with your hands in the cookie jar.
False equivalence. If you have half a brain, you know when you are being spun if you don’t listen to a single source or self-referring sources.
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“TRump”
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No one should be above the law
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… except [strike]illegal aliens[/strike] undocumented Democrats.
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did the WH accidentally release the wrong version of the transcript? Cause this sure looks damning. He asked the Ukraine dude to investigate Biden’s family activities in the Ukraine and be in touch with his lawyer (Rudy) and also Bill Barr.
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WOW! That AP link is anything but a measured centrist article.
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How unfortunate to have to live with such a burden in silence. If only there was some place to vent your true feelings. Go ahead kpack… we are here for you.
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Democrats: “No-one is above the law” – unless you’re an illegal alien.
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OMG! You need to copyright that today and slap it on bumper stickers. Youll make a killing.
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Thanks, but would you really leave that on your car?
I would never trust Leftists to leave my car undamaged. Particularly when they routinely come to the defense of terrorist gangs like Antifa.
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Nothing incriminating in there. Yes, there are many things that *could* be read into it, but there’s nothing here that’s criminal. For better or worse, Trump knows how to play the game.
As I expected…
[size=”7″]*YAWN*[/size]-
you don’t need to be a criminal to be impeached. This looks like a clear betrayal and Barr ought to get smoked on this too.
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Betrayal of whom?
This is not a good look for Trump, but the situation, taken as a whole, is a much worse look for Joe and Hunter Biden.
Like everything else around Trump, though, this will only entrench people more deeply into their previously-held positions.
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Abuse of power
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I agree, pretty weak, good luck trying to build “impeachable offense” out of this.
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It’s no longer a question of impeachable. It’s just can you get the votes. If they could do a blind vote, not seen in the public, I’d think the republicans would vote for impeachment. At least you can move onto Pence and maybe have some semblance of normal come back.
Good question also. Kamala Harris asked Barr if the president ever asked him to open an investigation into someone. He couldn’t answer. So just guessing but Trump asked DOJ to look into Biden, DOJ didn’t, then Trump looks to the Ukraine.-
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It’s no longer a question of impeachable.
Correct.
It’s just can you get the votes.
It’s not even that imho. It is very, very, very unlikely that this process will wind up with Trump being removed from office.
Success for Democrats would be getting at least a few GOP votes in the House to refer articles to the Senate and getting a few GOP votes in the Senate without losing any Democrats.
Even more raw politics: Success depends on Democrats continuing to strongly support the impeachment process and getting independents to > 50% support.
If they could do a blind vote, not seen in the public, I’d think the republicans would vote for impeachment.
If they could vote with their soul I suppose. But even blind vote would lead to a nasty base backlash.
Good question also. Kamala Harris asked Barr if the president ever asked him to open an investigation into someone. He couldn’t answer. So just guessing but Trump asked DOJ to look into Biden, DOJ didn’t, then Trump looks to the Ukraine.
yep. see also:
[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/463004-harris-demands-barr-testify-again-on-whether-trump-asked-him-to-investigate]Harris demands Barr testify after memo ties him to Trump’s call with Ukraine leader[/link]-
“Even more raw politics: Success depends on Democrats continuing to strongly support the impeachment process and getting independents to > 50% support.”
Correct that is their challenge. They must convince the voters that doing this is the right thing to do. Considering they have been saying they are going to do just that for so long, they have set a high bar. Have you seen Trumps new political ad working just that angle?-
Senate Republicans will never let this fly but at least let them go on record of supporting this turd
Success is being on the right side of history
Trump has no morals and no Vern for the constitution
He doesnt understand the constitution
Repetitive abuses of power are grounds for impeachment
Let the republicans live on the wrong side of history
Evangelicals have already imploded…. now the rest of the party will go down the same path
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I agree with that. Long term this will look better for the Democrats.
But 2020 ain’t the long term.
If Democrats can get a few swing district House Republicans to vote for the articles and then maybe pick off Susan Collins or Mitt Romney of Jodi Ernst (if she’s in a real tough fight) and get independents to 55/45 support with no drop in Dem enthusiasm then that’s a win.
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Now Joe McGuire threatens resignation if the White House refuses to let him speak freely to Congress on whistleblower filing.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/acting-director-of-national-intelligence-threatened-to-resign-if-he-couldnt-speak-freely-before-congress/2019/09/25/b1deb71e-dfbf-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…adb81821e90_story.html[/link]
The acting Director of National Intelligence threatened to resign over concerns that the White House might attempt to force him to stonewall Congress when he testifies Thursday about an explosive whistleblower complaint about the president, according to current and former U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
The revelation reflects the extraordinary tensions between the White House and the nations highest-ranking intelligence official over a matter that has [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/pelosi-privately-urges-narrow-trump-impeachment-probe-focused-on-ukraine/2019/09/25/c65b6f0c-dfab-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html?tid=lk_inline_manual_2]triggered impeachment proceedings[/link] against President Trump.
The officials said that Joseph Maguire, who was thrust into the top intelligence post last month, warned the White House that he was not willing to withhold information from Congress, where he is scheduled to testify in open and closed hearings on Thursday.
The move was in part designed to force the White House to make an explicit legal decision on whether it was going to assert executive privilege over the whistleblower complaint, which centers on a call that Trump made with the leader of Ukraine in late July.
In essence, Maguire was serving notice that he intended to cooperate with lawmakers unless the White House moved forward with a legal case to prevent him from doing so, the officials said.
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mmm. Such a warm and lovely glow of self-righteousness emits from you kpack. I can literally feel it through the screen. Don’t hold back, let it all out.
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Be careful, he is strong with the force.
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“Be careful, he is strong with the force.”
I have to try, damn the risk! I’ve seen this in too many. Next stop on the train is “the ends justify the means” and then… *shudders*-
Pardon if I note the irony of a Republican warning about the “ends justify the means” after all these years of Republicans doing just that. Rather rich after Clinton’s impeachment, the Iraq War, all the actions in the Obama administration culminating in the Supreme Court nomination and all of TRump’s changing lies right up to today.
Yes, we certainly do have to watch out for that. Thank you Republicans fro bringing that to our attention.
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Leftists’ quibble seems to be with the fact that Trump had Ukraine investigate for corruption… a corrupt Joe and Hunter Biden.
I’m trying to wrap my head around where, exactly, the problem is.
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George Conway ( so take it with a grain of salt)… thinks the GOP senate will vote to remove Trump office if articles come over from the House
They wont say so until they vote guilty when the roll is called
But they hate him and hate his power over him
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Color me skeptical of that theory
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That’s a big stretch I think. Yes, I am sure they hate Trump. Hate him enough to have his rabid core voters turn on them and lose all the donations he brings in? Very doubtful.
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George Conway ( so take it with a grain of salt)… thinks the GOP senate will vote to remove Trump office if articles come over from the House
They wont say so until they vote guilty when the roll is called
But they hate him and hate his power over him
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Color me skeptical of that theory
Color me skeptical that McConnell would even open the trial even if the House overwhelmingly votes to impeach. He will oppose especially if he sees some “weakness” in his own ranks. It will be a redux of Merrick Garland only with impeachment, he will work to ensur the vote never sees the light of day.
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Republican consultant Mike Murphy shares his naive optimism that Republicans, when cornered will do the right thing.
I don’t. Without Trump, what do they have? What do they stand for?
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/24/im-republican-its-time-put-gop-senators-spot-with-impeachment]https://www.washingtonpos…-spot-with-impeachment[/link]
For years now, most Republican senators have chosen to answer tough questions about President Trump [link=https://www.journalnow.com/opinion/columnists/gary-abernathy-breaking-from-trump-isn-t-so-easy/article_af45e25c-8d90-59c1-9f04-da9b613c6166.html]with essay-style answers[/link]. They usually begin by praising his conservative judicial appointments, then zig into tsk-tsking his worst tweets, zag to marveling at the strong economy and then finish up by expressing a sincere hope for a less toxic tone to start coming out of the Oval Office. Its exhausting for all involved. When the essay question tactic is too risky, which is becoming more common these days, they often chose silence.
But now, its pencils down for the GOP. The easy-to-dodge days for Senate Republicans are coming to an end. Voters deserve stark clarity in the wake of Trumps dealings with Ukraine, and there is one certain way to get it. The Democratic House must impeach the president and force the question on the Senate: yea or nay on Donald Trump?
If Trump indeed pressured the Ukrainian government to assist his reelection campaign by interfering with our elections and the facts, so far, suggest that he did exactly that the president has violated his oath of office and committed a vividly impeachable offense.
The presidents actions are highly likely to buffalo House Democrats into voting on impeachment. The argument heard earlier this year about [link=https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/pelosi-is-right-trying-to-impeach-trump-would-be-a-gift-to-gop-kennedy]impeachment being a political gift[/link] to the GOP no longer holds. The new sins are too big and too obvious. Our entire national political debate is now centered squarely upon Trump and his fitness for office.
Articles of impeachment from the House would create extremely tough political calculations for Republican officeholders and candidates to grind through. Endangered Republican senators such as Cory Gardner of Colorado, Susan Collins of Maine and Martha McSally of Arizona would weigh two painful election-year options: one in which they struggle in their purple states to explain their vote to defend the president for doing the indefensible; or another where Vice President Pence [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/09/23/pence-had-motorcade-when-ford-visited-car-free-mackinac-island-he-traveled-by-horse-cade/?tid=lk_inline_manual_13]leads the ticket[/link] but despite the funereal wails of the presidents most fervent cultists they can at least pivot to talking about the future and the dangers of the Democratic nominee.
[b]This test would create an existential question for every Republican senator and representative: Why am I here? To serve my future or my country?[/b]
My Democratic friends assume the worst, seeing most elected Republicans as little more than a corrupt cartel of Trump bitter-enders. I think they underestimate the character of many of the men and women I know well who serve the Republican Party. But now is the time the country must find out. Force the question with impeachment. -
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Leftists’ quibble seems to be with the fact that Trump had Ukraine investigate for corruption… a corrupt Joe and Hunter Biden.
I’m trying to wrap my head around where, exactly, the problem is.
Republican support of corruption is too complicated for you to wrap your head around?
Explains everything.
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Well for those who don’t care if a president uses the office to “ask” some foreign country in a quid pro quo ovver of military assistance to do some fishing expedition against the President’s opposition, I suppose there is no case to be made. But since when has it been kosher to do this?
Oh yeah, only since Trump and only for Republicans is this kosher.
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If they could vote with their soul I suppose. But even blind vote would lead to a nasty base backlash.
Sure but even if there’s backlash are the Trumpers going to vote democrat? Probably not. Next republican up.
It sounds like there’s a blood bath going on at capital right now with the DNI getting whacked like a pin~ata.-
Yeah- listening to it now
Nunes doing his best to muddy it …
But bottom line: complaint credible , both IG and whistleblower acting in goof faith
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Yeah, Nunes implying the Intelligence Service under DNI leaked information about the call & to whom. Nunes is not a friend of DNI.
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xxxx – dup
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Acting DNI basically saying the people at the White House probably leaked it, not the deep state
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It’s the doppleganger Frumious! Yes, tell me how bad I am. Ooh You two are soo strong! Like a two person mini twitter outrage mob.
Hey, aren’t you the guy who complained about the lack of civil discourse? And now you are being the comedian? I don’t think I have referred to you with such idiotic responses as you are now responding as. Why are you suddenly acting the fool?
You can’t complain about the lack of civil discourse when you are Exhibit #1 about non-civil discourse. I thought I was merely disagreeing with you, strongly perhaps but not acting the fool.
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“Why are you suddenly acting the fool?”
I figured this thread and our discussion had gone far south at least 40 posts ago, at least. If you and kpack are going to treat this forum as your own political circle jerk I might as well have some laughs.-
So much for your BS PM’s talking about civility then. Fake complaint. So much for the BS that you are a “Centrist.”
Yes, a centrist in the mold of TRump.
And I have not been uncivil to you. I guess you have thrown down the gauntlet.
Accepted.
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Oh no. Anonymous forum threats! Whatever will I do………. Aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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Guess who has another alias????
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What is that 10?
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If that makes you feel better… I’ll be whatever you need me to be.
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No, kpack, he’s not cigar/IB but he definitely is in the same class.
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Here, I’ll make it easy for you.
Oh yes! You two are sooooo amazing and smart. Trump is sooo evil! Republicans are soo misguided!!! Why they just cannot see your divine greatness. History is on your side after all! And your ideas to fix everything…ohhh… Just the BEST!!!!!! Don’t pretend your interested in talking to this rabble!-
Definitely in cigar/IB’s class. Sophomoric. Or is that giving you a couple of years?
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Oh such big words! You are soo amazing. Tell me again how dumb Republicans are. How Trump is doomed. How the world will be a better place when everyone agrees with you! Don’t hold back Frumious you know this is what you want.
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Frumi
Yes its the same poster
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Honestly I think the little creep has a crush on me
Following me around like a little puppy
Add another alias to the blocked list
Thats actually 6 now
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Honestly I think the little creep has a crush on me
Following me around like a little puppy
Add another alias to the blocked list
Thats actually 6 now
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That’s OK. Yes block me, it is all I am fit for. I am ashamed to have let my thoughts pollute your vision. It will be honor enough just to be able to read your blessed words of wisdom.
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Frumi
Yes its the same poster
Maybe. He suddenly sounds identical to cigar/IB.
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I can tell you this, one Republican senator told me if it was a secret vote, 30 Republican senators would vote to impeach Trump.
GOP strategist Mike Murphy
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Except it’s not a secret vote. & if McConnell thinks 30 Republican Senators would vote to convict, the trial will never reach the floor.
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If McConnell thought 30 Republicans wanted to vote to remove and would actually do it he would put it on the floor tomorrow, get rid of Trump and move on…..
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Well let’s be honest. If they could have anonymously impeached him they probably would have done it his first month in office. Right now, I see Trumps approval rating, paradoxically, seems to be rising a bit through this scandal. That’s bizarre, we’re in opposite world.
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Well let’s be honest. If they could have anonymously impeached him they probably would have done it his first month in office. Right now, I see Trumps approval rating, paradoxically, seems to be rising a bit through this scandal. That’s bizarre, we’re in opposite world.
This polling is coming out of the last 2 weeks. Give it about a 1- 2 week lag until you see it come to the polls.
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That is a paradoxical conclusion, isn’t it? You mean if anonymous, Republicans would vote with Democrats to impeach in spite of their constituents’ approval in Feb 2017?
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Dems are going to call Rudy Giuliani to testify. Even if they totally screw themselves for 2020, that should be worth it for the entertainment value.
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Why would that hurt the Dems? But yeah, assuming you are correct, why not for entertainment value. I mean it’s not like RBG can’t make it another 5 years giving the conservatives a lock on the supreme court. And Breyer is what 81, let’s make it 7 to 2.
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Hurt the Dems was re: impeachment broadly
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[h1][b]Majority of House Now Backs Impeachment Inquiry[/b][/h1]
A majority of the House now backs impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump, a significant milestone as Democrats move rapidly on an impeachment inquiry, [link=https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/majority-of-house-supports-impeachment-inquiry-1512897]Politico[/link] reports.
As of Wednesday night, 218 lawmakers have [link=https://www.politico.com/interactives/2019/house-reps-who-would-vote-for-trump-impeachment-our-latest-list/]indicated support[/link] for impeachment proceedings 217 Democrats and independent Rep. Justin Amash.
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Hooray… you just made a few million people despise the Democrat-media complex even more.
Turn that knob up to 11, boys.-
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Hooray… you just made a few million people despise the Democrat-media complex even more.
Turn that knob up to 11, boys.
Smell the glove, knob.
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I am very interested to see how the polling on impeachment comes out over the next weeks.
The Dem House moderates changes their tune so fast … and en masse… that it makes me think they have some internal polling that led to the abrupt change.
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Lotsa angry arse republicans today
Get use to it
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[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-25/trump-tried-to-talk-his-way-out-of-impeachment-it-didn-t-work?srnd=premium]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-25/trump-tried-to-talk-his-way-out-of-impeachment-it-didn-t-work?srnd=premium[/link]
Trump’s Attempt to Talk His Way Out of Impeachment Backfires[/h1]Donald Trump tried to squelch the latest threat to his presidency with the release of a [link=https://blinks.bloomberg.com/news/stories/PYE66U6K50XX]transcript[/link] of his call with Ukraines president. Its a trick thats worked for him before, allowing him to claim exoneration and take the attack to Democrats.
Yet this time, the gambit backfired. Trump didnt anticipate that, even in the absence of an explicit quid pro quo, his transactional approach to foreign policy and willingness to solicit political help from another country — laid bare in a five-page transcript — would embolden his critics and fan the flames of a nascent impeachment inquiry.
The impeachment fight now turns to the House, where the acting director of national intelligence will appear before a committee at 9 a.m. Thursday to discuss the complaint filed by an unidentified whistle-blower.
based on what I’m hearing out of the testimony this morning I have a hard time believing that the House won’t make this an article of impeachment
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Barr to should be impeached. Sounds like he tried to cover up. Nothing to see here.
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[h1]Voter Support for Impeachment Grows[/h1]
A new [link=https://morningconsult.com/2019/09/26/voter-support-for-impeachment-grows-amid-ukraine-scandal/]Morning Consult poll[/link] finds 43% of Americans support the start of in impeachment in inquiry, up 7 points from a weekend survey.
Meanwhile, opposition to beginning an impeachment inquiry dropped 6 points, to 43%.
This weeks news cycle had a significant impact on Republicans and independents, giving credibility to Democrats’ impeachment inquiry. Up from 5 percent last week, 10 percent of Republicans now support beginning impeachment proceedings, while support among independents has reached 39 percent.
