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[link=https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/486645-cdc-americans-over-60-should-stock-up-on-supplies-avoid-crowds]https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/486645-cdc-americans-over-60-should-stock-up-on-supplies-avoid-crowds[/link]
CDC: Americans over 60 should ‘stock up’ on supplies, avoid crowds[/h1]
What’s the over/under on how many hours before Trump contradicts them?
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Austria closes its Italian border
In the works since 1917!
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Austria closes its Italian border
In the works since 1917!
Sidebar: Back in 2003 I had the chance to cross that border on a train from Salzburg to Venice.
The Austrian train was awesome … clean, perfect timing, good food and drink.
They made us get out on a platform somewhere in the alps and physically change trains.
We waited an hour for the Italian train to show up.. and the seats were about a 50/50 mix of actual cloth to cigarette burn 🙂
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Wondering if a good way to think about this is to liken it to a seasonal flu pandemic but without a vaccine to prepare.
Do any of the antivirals help?
886 confirmed US cases. 28 deaths. Consistently 3-4% mortality out of the tested individuals. Very unfortunate. But the true infection is likely way more than the 886 base number. So the true mortality is likely lower. Expecting the confirmed cases to go hockeystick as the tests become more widely available through the week. The deaths by contrast will continue the current early S-curve trend.
Unfortunately the young are the asymptomatic vectors.
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Mass. Governor declares state of emergency as number of cases spike … related to that Biogen conference in Boston.
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3 cases here in Cleveland now…
Both Biden and Sanders cancel planned rallies tonight due to public health concerns
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Former White House homeland security adviser Thomas Bossert, who coordinated the U.S. response to global pandemics before his position was cut, told [link=https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1237396108478906368]NBC News[/link] that time is running out to control the spread of coronavirus.
Bossert: We are 10 days from our hospitals getting creamed.
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Numbers for South Korea is available. 0.7% It’s probably the closest to the true mortality rate. They did the best job screening and surveiling. Still probably too high. It probably doesn’t factor in all exposed individuals. You need to sample presence of antibodies in the population after the fact.
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You can rework the numbers using the mortality difference. The US as of now has 974 cases with approximately 3-4% mortality. If the 0.7 is the more accurate rate, that means there is likely 5-6x more infections out there.
So about 5000 are currently infected, most of them untested.
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US has thousands and thousands of cases, we’ve only tested 974 positive. In fact, I bet you people were dying in ICU’s several months ago of “Pneumonia” which was actually Covid-19 pneumonia. There is a conception that this is a disease that is spreading more and more, when in fact its likely just testing/detection which has gone up. US is being very slow to test, im not sure if there doing this on purpose so as not to alarm people but what does it matter – Just come out and say Covid-19 is all over the world, lots of elderly will die, all elderly and unhealthy people are advised to isolate themselves, wash their hands and take all precautions until a vaccine is ready. Maybe this is a form of population control, we don’t need THANOs to come down and snap his fingers, we have covid-19 to kill off the weak elderly.
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Here is a good article on Covid-19:
[link=https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30567-5/fulltext]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30567-5/fulltext[/link]-
My day started with a text from the head of the ‘crisis communication team’ for the county. So now I got some view on the inner workings of all this. Interesting times.
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At whatever the scale, the deaths and morbidity are very unfortunate. But the numbers are reassuring.
They estimate 0.3-1.0% mortality based on observation.
Compare that to the flu which is usually 0.1%. So they are calling this similar to a modest flu season.1918 Spanish flu by contrast was estimated at 2.5%ish.
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[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/10/cdc-director-border-wall-coronavirus-125007?fbclid=IwAR1Y0j3vk85yvPOP5V-5h9vaz4Br1-db9ucN28Pm0jufeWog5qE7bwsnytE]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/10/cdc-director-border-wall-coronavirus-125007?fbclid=IwAR1Y0j3vk85yvPOP5V-5h9vaz4Br1-db9ucN28Pm0jufeWog5qE7bwsnytE[/link]
[b]Trump says the Wall will help stop coronavirus. Head of CDC disagrees.[/b]
Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said Tuesday he was unaware of any indication from his agency that physical barriers along Americas borders would help halt the spread of the coronavirus in the U.S. contradicting an assertion President Donald Trump made earlier in the day.
Appearing before House lawmakers to testify about the public health crisis and the White Houses budget request for his agency, Redfield was [link=https://www.c-span.org/video/?470181-1/cdc-director-redfield-testifies-coronavirus&live&vod&start=5726]asked[/link] by Rep. Katherine Clark (D-Mass.) whether the CDCs recommendations for combating the coronavirus addressed whether structural barriers at the borders would be of any use in mitigating the growing outbreak.
Not that Ive seen, Redfield replied.
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A forewarning. There is going to be a huge spike in the number of coronavirus cases in the next few days. But not because what you think. Rather because testing is now widely available.
Unfortunately the media will go onto a tizzy not knowing what’s really happening.
We will come back from this insanity by latter part of next week.
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A forewarning. There is going to be a huge spike in the number of coronavirus cases in the next few days. But not because what you think. Rather because testing is now widely available.
Unfortunately the media will go onto a tizzy not knowing what’s really happening.
We will come back from this insanity by latter part of next week.
good point.another thing I was thinking of – just wait, this prediction is iron clad —
in two months when the disease has peaked and is receding, as a natural result of warming weather, Some bureaucrat will say
“We are very happy to report that our efforts at containment have been very successful, and a major epidemic has been prevented”
the people responsible for the panic will give themselves a nice pat on the back for a job well done.
And that is the story line the media will sell.
And then we will move on to the next media-hyped panic. The news cycle must be fed with the most frightening stories to feed the click-bait culture.
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Also to note, even with this forewarning, it’s hard to extricate yourself from the frenzy. It’s difficult to be objective when they are blaring we’re all gonna die. While parading around talking heads who are willing to corroborate their story.
I know I get doubts when they do.
I disagree about the them patting themselves on the back. More likely they will see how stupid it all was. They will however blame someone else. Everybody will be pointing fingers at the media. They (we) never learn.
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A forewarning. There is going to be a huge spike in the number of coronavirus cases in the next few days. But not because what you think. Rather because testing is now widely available.
Unfortunately the media will go onto a tizzy not knowing what’s really happening.
We will come back from this insanity by latter part of next week.
good point.
another thing I was thinking of – just wait, this prediction is iron clad —
in two months when the disease has peaked and is receding, as a natural result of warming weather, Some bureaucrat will say
“We are very happy to report that our efforts at containment have been very successful, and a major epidemic has been prevented”
the people responsible for the panic will give themselves a nice pat on the back for a job well done.
And that is the story line the media will sell.
And then we will move on to the next media-hyped panic. The news cycle must be fed with the most frightening stories to feed the click-bait culture.
Yes, we have too much historical evidence of nothing burgers (shall I name them all?). Is the world more global now? Yes. Is it also 24-7 news cycle where nearly all people have smartphones and internet? Yes. Do 80 year olds need retirement accounts to travel the world (on other people’s dime, especially)? No. Let them bear the cost for once of not being in good shape, and stay inside for a couple of months. Up to them though.
So what if we test for it and it’s positive? We have potentially tens or hundreds of viruses that do nothing to us. I haven’t heard anyone talk about this — just because someone is positive doesn’t necessarily mean anything. I keep coming back to the “Does a normal, healthy person need to worry about this at all?” The answer is clearly no. That means it is a media driven nothing burger, and a culture too built around blame, legality, pointing of fingers, and “save me goverment”. Let’s be real.
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Q: How does COVID-19 compare to other previous health situations SARS, H1N1?
Dr. Fauci: “…It is 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu. I think that’s something that people can get their arms around and understand.”
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Q: How does COVID-19 compare to other previous health situations SARS, H1N1?
Dr. Fauci: “…It is 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu. I think that’s something that people can get their arms around and understand.”
Again, stats. For 80 year olds — sure. And I get that he has to say that for larger stats because, that’s what our country has, quite a few older people. But let me ask you dergon, do you think coronavirus would affect you any different than the influenza, even if you contracted it? Serious question.-
Give Fauci some credit. At least he’s slowly catching on. The number he was quoting before amounted to 30-40x worse than regular flu.
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Anyone needs to be careful not to cherry-pick your data. The lowest mortality numbers are out of Korea and there are a few reasons why their numbers look that way:
– the religious group that represented a substantial number of the cases (60+%) mostly consisted of college aged individuals.
– the government tracked down every member of the group based on the member lists of the congregations and got them tested whether they wanted or not. This caught pretty much every asymptomatic or mild case in that large subgroup.
– the government aggessively tracked contacts and used enforced isolation (monitoring cellphones, credit cards, setting up CCTV surveillance)
– there are few barriers to healthcare access. If you get sick, you get evaluated and treated.
So you cant look at the korean data and say:
Hey, I told you its a nothinburger, only 0.x% die and they are all old, lets do nothing, go to the mall and shop!
When the answer based on the data is:
If you can do what the koreans did, you may be able to contain the spread and keep your case fatality rate down.
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You can make generalizations.
This is not a “nothinburger”. It’s also not the whopper.
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Jimbo,
Pay attention to that feeling. Google the Asch conformity experiments. You are noticing the effects of a desire for social conformity on your own perceptions.
For some people, their perception of reality actually changes and they dont realize it. For others, their judgment is distorted: they perceive reality correctly but decide that they must be wrong because everyone else is saying something different. For still others, they perceive reality correctly and know that their judgment is not impaired, but go along with what everyone else is doing because they dont want to stand out.
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Yes! Precisely right Radgrinder. Our brains take shortcuts which leads to many mental biases. It’s how we’re built thanks to evolution. No doubt it’s exceedingly useful in clutch situations. The very fact that we’re the dominant species bares this out. But also leads to many stupid errors. The key is to recognize em and adjust course accordingly.
Fascinating stuff! The sad truth is we think we’re above it all, yet another mental bias. Rampant here unfortunately. Yours truly included despite best efforts.
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on the economics:
[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/ism-says-u-s-firms-seeing-widespread-supply-disruption-on-virus-k7nh032h?srnd=premium]ISM Says U.S. Firms Are Seeing Widespread Supply Disruption on Virus[/link]-
Mortality rates are low as long as we have ventilators available.
If we don’t take any measures to slow the rate of infection, mortality rates will spike once critical care resources are tapped out.
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Not arguing against limiting spread. But things didn’t get blown up to this degree during 2009 flu pandemic.
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WHO officially labels coronavirus a pandemic
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WHO officially labels coronavirus a pandemic
Which makes them important. A pandemic, in my view, is not something that literally will not affect me. I am open to hearing a counter to this, but if I got measles or something of that variety I’d be feeling it. With this, I’d be like, ok, where’s the vitamin C and fluids? Maybe some salt water or garlic? See you next week — we’ll have a beer.
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Everyone has it, it’s just another flu but a little more deadly for old people. The more you test, the more you will find. The more you try and contain, the more money you waste and more panic you create. Just accept its here and is a common bug like the common cold. Every year the elderly can get vaccinated for the flu as well as coronavirus. Why is there a big assumption that this is just going away or that this can actually be contained? Elderly and unhealthy should be on high alert and take all precautions, the rest of the world should continue on as normal. IF coronavirus was making everyone symptomatic then I would be for containment, but the fact that you have asymptomatic people with this shows containment is useless. Divert all resources into protecting elderly and getting a vaccine ASAP.
Totally agree. I can’t get people off the hysteria wagon though. I know the new “normal” is that we need to use resources to prop up old people at all costs, but isn’t this the sort of thing that finally exposes the fact that we’ve done that to too great a degree already? We’ve been titrating these leaners for years, sometimes that’s just how it goes. I help as much as I can to anyone and don’t actively stop any treatments, of course, but acting like it’s a tragedy that some 80+ year old dies from nature, after we’ve kept her alive for so long …. man, we’ve got bigger fish to fry than worry about how “bad” that is.
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let me ask you dergon, do you think coronavirus would affect you any different than the influenza, even if you contracted it? Serious question.Potentially yes. I am 53. Not a super high risk category. But if I was to contract coronavirus would my risk of death or hospitalization be significantly higher than influenza? Absolutely yes.
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[b]White House Told Officials to Classify Coronavirus Meetings [/b]
The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. governments response to the contagion, [link=https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrecy-exclusive-idUSKBN20Y2LM]Reuters[/link] reports.
The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services, a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.-
Congressional Doctor Predicts 75-150 Million Infections-
Congress in-house doctor told Capitol Hill staffers at a close-door meeting this week that he expects 70-150 million people in the U.S. roughly a third of the country to contract the coronavirus, Axios reports.
That estimate, which is in line with other projections from health experts, underscores the potential seriousness of this outbreak even as the White House has been downplaying its severity in an attempt to keep public panic at bay.
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How do you guys feel now about your co workers showing up to work with a cough? Most places rads get guilt tripped for taking sick days and many rads show up to work sick. Will this change now? Rads will still show up to work sick but will try and hide their illness?
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I have a meeting with my chair tomorrow — going to pitch working from home
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What I fail to understand here is in light of little data to prove that everything is mere hysteria, people on this forum are concluding just that. Merely because, so far we have not seen large numbers of infections or fatalities? Well, the fat lady didn’t sing yet.
I am not ready to dismiss as mere hysteria the Chinese actions to essentially shut down their economy over this virus. I am not ready to dismiss as mere hysteria the Italians to shut down their country.
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What I fail to understand here is in light of little data to prove that everything is mere hysteria, people on this forum are concluding just that. Merely because, so far we have not seen large numbers of infections or fatalities? Well, the fat lady didn’t sing yet.
Again, if [b][i]one claims[/i][/b] there is an issue, one must have evidence for said claim (that falls on [b]YOU[/b], claimer). You don’t put the proving a negative on other people. You are showing how you lack critical thinking, again. We conclude what we do because it is rational = there is no convincing evidence this is really bad, thus = hysteria.
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Rock, meet hardplace.
If you don’t go in, feel guilt.
If you go in and it turns out to be coronavirus, the world will come down on you. Next day headline reads “Xray Doctor Shows Up for Work Against Better Medical Judgement and Endangers Entire Staff and the Public”. Sort of like that father who went to the father-daughter dance.
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The question is are we Korea or Italy when it comes to the dynamics of spread and public health reaction.
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Consider the damage of arguing that the most feared words in the English language are, “I am from the government and I am here to help!”
The fact is that should government(s) decide to lock things down, I believe many Americans would do much to do just that, in spite of past arguments that government always screws things up. Just look at responses already of public cooperation. Most people are waiting for both government responses that address the epidemic and for actual information that means something other than maybe this or maybe that. Available testing would be an excellent idea.
I don’t think we are looking at the opening of a disaster movie where everyone screams and runs. We’ve had problems before & people chip in to help, even if that means staying home. Even for some to actually expose themselves to danger.
What also has to be addressed is the question of people staying home, how do they pay for their bills and food? Very many people have no PTO or sick days to stay home. They stay home with no pay & even place their employment at risk.
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The question is are we Korea or Italy when it comes to the dynamics of spread and public health reaction.
It will recede soon, this will be the nothing burger when we get another month or 1.5 behind us. You can call me Cigar #2 at that time for picking up my crystal ball.-
A lot of people want this to go away for our economy and their 401k’s.
A lot of people want this to go away for health reasons.
Just because you want something doesnt make it so. The science points to this spreading all over and NOT going away during the summer. Stick to the science, otherwise you’re just another Trump.
“however, with an R0 of 23, the warm months of summer in the northern hemisphere might not necessarily reduce transmission below the value of unity as they do for influenza A, which typically has an R0 of around 1·11·5.” [link=https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30567-5/fulltext#bib12]12[/link]Thats directly from the lancet article i posted earlier which makes a lot of good scientific points.
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If it is a nothingberger, everyone will remember it as no big deal but forget that entire countries (i.e. Italy) were quarantined to contain this virus.. Stay informed, take this seriously and stop spreading your agenda because you don’t want to see your 401k fall any further. We are doctors but for once not the specialists; listen to your epidemiologists and public health officials.
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Right.
This isn’t going away. It also isn’t a nothinburger.
It will spread. People will get sick. But the fallout won’t be as bad as what the TV is screaming at us
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The current administration labeled this a political hoax on the initial few days
Many of there followers really want to believe its a nothingburger
Thats the danger of stupidity of being a lemming
The boy who cried nothingburger…… eventually is force fed the whopper with cheese
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Remember a couple weeks ago were told there were 15 cases soon to be zero and this was going to magically disappear
Stupid fng people
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Remember a couple weeks ago were told there were 15 cases soon to be zero and this was going to magically disappear
Stupid fng people
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The current administration labeled this a political hoax on the initial few days
Many of there followers really want to believe its a nothingburger
Thats the danger of stupidity of being a lemming
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Its not a political statement
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let me ask you dergon, do you think coronavirus would affect you any different than the influenza, even if you contracted it? Serious question.Potentially yes. I am 53. Not a super high risk category. But if I was to contract coronavirus would my risk of death or hospitalization be significantly higher than influenza? Absolutely yes.
Understood, but again, [i][b]relative risk [/b][/i]and [absolute] risk are often conflated and very confused. I know you know the difference, so the question is one of utility, honesty, and value/tradeoffs.
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Washington state bans gatherings of more than 250 people
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March madness will be held without fans
Nothingburger
Absolutely a hoax
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GOP Senate blocks paid sick leave bill.
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I think we can determine who stands where based on where you are in your age. The young don’t care and the old are screaming for something to be done.
Generational warfare, this is. Sad predicament. Fine. The old wield all the power so they can (and will) dictate how this is handled.
But let them not forget the predicament of the young. How they are saddled with the debt. Policies only benefitting the wealthy, ABR abusing its young diplomats, etc.
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I think we can determine who stands where based on where you are in your age. The young don’t care and the old are screaming for something to be done.
Generational warfare, this is. Sad predicament. Fine. The old wield all the power so they can (and will) dictate how this is handled.
But let them not forget the predicament of the young. How they are saddled with the debt. Policies only benefitting the wealthy, ABR abusing its young diplomats, etc.
??? what?
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I think we can determine who stands where based on where you are in your age. The young don’t care and the old are screaming for something to be done.
Generational warfare, this is. Sad predicament. Fine. The old wield all the power so they can (and will) dictate how this is handled.
But let them not forget the predicament of the young. How they are saddled with the debt. Policies only benefitting the wealthy, ABR abusing its young diplomats, etc.
It’s the opposite at my workplace. Younger generation is more informed and the older generation is the one just saying it’s the flu.
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I think we can determine who stands where based on where you are in your age. The young don’t care and the old are screaming for something to be done.
Generational warfare, this is. Sad predicament. Fine. The old wield all the power so they can (and will) dictate how this is handled.
But let them not forget the predicament of the young. How they are saddled with the debt. Policies only benefitting the wealthy, ABR abusing its young diplomats, etc.
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Tom hanks and his wife have corona virus
Fake news and a hoax
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NBA cancels remainder of season
Is it still a hoax?
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Its economically devastating largely because we were unprepared and the initial response was to downplay it by sorta calling it a hoax and blaming the media instead of being prepared and mobilizing
Its already here
Good luck containing it
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Its economically devastating largely because we were unprepared and the initial response was to downplay it by sorta calling it a hoax and blaming the media instead of being prepared and mobilizing
Its already here
Good luck containing it
We’ve been saying it’s here. yawn. There is no containing it.
But that means the mortality is actually very low if you do the math. This is not as severe as you think it is.
CALM THE F DOWN!!!!!
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But wait
Isnt it a big nothingburger and a hoax?
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I thought it was supposed to magically disappear
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No it will spread more. But the mortality isn’t bad as you think it is.
The last sentence is KEY
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I suspect the mortality is lower than the 2-3% they are saying
But downplaying it…. kinda saying it is hoax or a nothingburger
Thats just stupid and led to us basically caught with our pants down when we darn well knew bubba was getting out of jail
Just fng stupid
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No one knows the true mortality because people lie and theres not enough testing. IF you run the numbers on the cases we know about and the known deaths, you come up with a number as high as 4%. Its not just about mortality though, this thing spreads very easily. You may not die, but you may end up in the ICU tying up resources. We may be like italy where we dont have enough resources and dr’s have to pick who to treat in the icu and who they need to just let die because they dont have the resources.
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“We may be like italy where we dont have enough resources and dr’s have to pick who to treat in the icu and who they need to just let die because they dont have the resources.”
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When its all said and done, mortality will probably be less than 0.7%, perhaps a lot less.
This will become evident as we test more in the coming days.
As of yesterday, calculated mortality stood at 3.5% based on who died and how many tested positive.
It’s already fallen to 2.9% because we’re testing more. larger denominator.
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Its best to err on the side of caution
Acting like this is a hoax or calling it a nothingburger is fng stupid
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I never said hoax or nothingburger
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[link=https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html]https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html[/link]
You could be aggressive with testing, quarantining, and isolating. You could be aggressive with social distancing, having workers do telework. Lots of things could be done and are not being done. A few places in the US are being smart (only after testing), majority have not and I would say mostly because of Trump’s attitude up until now. Maybe now things will change. -
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Its best to err on the side of caution
Acting like this is a hoax or calling it a nothingburger is fng stupid
Panicking and acting like this is end of the world is equally unproductive. Spend your time figuring out what the most likely outcome is.
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China has already shown the world how to deal with this, just copy them.
Test everyone, quarantine, and advise all citizens to practice social distancing. Shut down schools and all major events where lots of people congregate (which we are finally doing). These measures are supposedly what has lead to China and Korea getting ahead of the disease and seeing case numbers decline. Oh and also china was able to create hospital camps to deal with the sick, not sure if we can also do that. -
China is nearing recession
Yes they are teaching the world how to deal with it
Jeeeez
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Oh and also china was able to create hospital camps to deal with the sick, not sure if we can also do that.
No, just big gymnasiums where you were kept and either got better on your own or died.
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NBA cancels remainder of season
Is it still a hoax?
Strawman much? Nobody ever said this was a hoax.
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Actually majority of rads on here had the same tone as the president, wonder how many have now flipped the way the president has? I’ve called this thing serious weeks ago and was laughed at
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This is getting ridiculous. You can post all you want about flights and events being cancelled. It doesn’t mean that the disease is any more severe. If you had said this was gonna wreck the weekend plan thanks to the overreaction, that’s another story. But that is not what you said.
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China testing: 200,000 coronavirus tests PER DAY
USA TOTAL CORONAVIRUS TESTING OVER WEEKS: 5,000
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And the cases will continue to mount thanks to it spreading and more tests being available So surprise, there will be many more Tom Hanks’s testing positive! There will even be some here who test positive soon. It doesn’t change the disease severity.
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March madness will be held without fans
Nothingburger
Absolutely a hoax
This man is a retard. He truly can’t think.
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US government purposely not testing a lot of people so that our numbers dont look bad.
Tom Hanks and wife positive because they were in Australia. If they were in USA, they wouldnt have been tested.
Are our ICU’s be ready and prepared for this? And how are we expanding care, can we do what China did?
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Not a nothingburger. But not the whopper either.
Never a hoax
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But many people on here have made claims like this just like the flu or a big nothingburger
Its already been economically devastating
And from a human toll worldwide its been stunning
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It is like a bad flu season The numbers will be similar.
It will be tough on the economy. But more because of official overreaction than the disease.
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A bad flu season doesnt cause a financial collapse and probably an economic recession
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Tell that to Italy.
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It is like a bad flu season The numbers will be similar.
It will be tough on the economy. But more because of official overreaction than the disease.
This is essentially the gist of the whole situation.
Chinese played everyone by lying about the effects of their short-term hard quarantine in Wuhan. Labs were told not to report COVID19 anymore. Economy is back to normal, net-negative old people are being purged, and a cherry on top is the rest of the world is forced to do Wuhan-style crackdown because it “worked” in China (it didn’t). Xi and his 7 men are hanging out in isolation after a brief photoshoot.
The only right course of action right now would be to let it run hard and let the 98% of the population tough it out (while exercising normal flu precautions) and move on.
Democracy failed big time here.
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The world changed this week. In some obvious ways, and in ten thousand smaller ways that we are going to be catching up to for quite awhile.
One day, this will also pass. Think of that day, and think of how you wish to be remembering what you did during a time when people around you seemed uncertain and possibly scared.
I suggest being good people, good doctors and a person that your family and community find as a source of reassurance and calm in a stressful time. It will not be forgotten.-
Wait wait wait
Chinese economy is not back to normal
Not even close
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And the flu doesnt cause a global recession
So this is already worse than predicted by those who tried to label it a hoax or a nothingburger
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From avocado:
The only right course of action right now would be to let it run hard and let the 98% of the population tough it out (while exercising normal flu precautions) and move on.
That is beyond dumb. Slowing down the progression is essential at a population level. Even if it does become widespread to the point where millions are affected, if we can slow progression enough, we can avoid overwhelming the healthcare system.
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From avocado:
The only right course of action right now would be to let it run hard and let the 98% of the population tough it out (while exercising normal flu precautions) and move on.
That is beyond dumb. Slowing down the progression is essential at a population level. Even if it does become widespread to the point where millions are affected, if we can slow progression enough, we can avoid overwhelming the healthcare system.
[img]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/03/11/science/11SCI-VIRUS-CURVE1/11SCI-VIRUS-TRACKER1-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp[/img]
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[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/science/coronavirus-curve-mitigation-infection.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/science/coronavirus-curve-mitigation-infection.html[/link]
Flattening the Coronavirus Curve[/h1]
One chart explains why slowing the spread of the infection is nearly as important as stopping it.
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Can’t argue with that. We need to flatten the curve.
For our specialty, as much as able, remote reading should be enabled. A sick radiologist is ineffective.
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I’m just a radiologist, and this is just a subway diagnosis, but the President sounded a bit SOB in his speech.
At least one of the docs at who died working ground zero in Wuhan was in his 30s.
Testing capacity is developing and being deployed about as fast as could be expected, having started at zero. Paging Elizabeth Holmes!
I predict some serious triaging.
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