[odayjassim1978_476]

dream on…in your fantasy land

[odayjassim1978_476]

Powell did the same thing and the law was not in place
wonder if Jeb will be sued by one of those people who ss got released

[btomba_77]

Not good press by any stretch.  It will dominate a news cycle or three, but not the kind of thing that makes for a “scandal”.  Certainly not severe enough to coax any new challengers into the Democratic race.

[kaldridgewv2211]

unless her non-secure AOL email was hacked and gave up sensitive information.  I think there’s a lot of unknown about if any info could’ve been compromised.

[Unknown Member]

What I’m wondering is who these liberal corporate heads have in mind to replace the hildabeast.. all the media wouldn’t be doing this unless they’ve moved on past her and want some other liberal elected.

[Unknown Member]

Any democrat will be ted Cruz or rand paul or Scott walker

So I’m not sure what you are getting so wet about

[ruszja]

This is bizarre. I know a couple of federal workers one of them in Clintons department, they are cery careful to conduct all government business on their locked down department issued blackberry. For some reason, those rules dont seem to apply to the boss. ‘Quod licet jovi non licet bovi.’

Anyone remember the brouhaha when Bush WH staff used private email to conduct party related business ?

Anyone re

[Unknown Member]

Probably another Bengazi

Maybe republicans can spend another 50 million investigating and waste another 150 million holding hearings

Anyone remember the democrats doing this to the same extent over absolutely nothing?

[mattsimon]

I don’t see why this is surprising.  Hillary has a long history of obscuring and possibly destroying records.  Why would we think she’d be different now?

[Unknown Member]

Yep
 
The more ticked off the wing nuts get the more Hillary Supporters donate to her cauzse
 
She is not spending any money or political capital by staying undeclared
 
Pretty smart political strategy

[btomba_77]

Quote from aldadoc

Hillary has had a [b]very[/b] bad couple of weeks. First the disclosures that the Clinton Foundation has been accepting gifts from foreign governments, then the e-mail scandal breaks. Ouch! At this point I would rate her chances as a long-shot…at best.

[link=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html?_r=0]http://www.nytimes.com/20…raises-flags.html?_r=0[/link]
[link=http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/hillary-clinton-email-legal-115737.html]http://www.politico.com/s…mail-legal-115737.html[/link]
[link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/03/03/hillary-clintons-private-email-address-at-state-reinforces-everything-people-dont-like-about-her/]http://www.washingtonpost…e-dont-like-about-her/[/link]

Neeeext! Bring on Fauxahontas Warren. Lets see if she fares out better.

 

Quote from Noah”sArk

 

dream on…in your fantasy land 

 
 
 
Mark Halperin:  [url=http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-26/the-most-likely-next-president-is-hillary-clinton]The Most Likely Next President Is Hillary Clinton (And Republicans are in denial about it)[/url]

A virulent strain of Clinton Derangement Syndrome, which scientists and Republicans thought had been wiped out at the end of the last century, is now afflicting millions of conservative Americans. Some Republicans so detest Hillary Clinton they are badly underestimating how likely she is, at this point in the campaign, to be Americas 45th president. Their denial is just as strong now as it was a month ago, before Clinton began a run of political victories that have enhanced her prospects, all while the roller derby/demolition derby that is the Republican nomination contest has continued to harm the GOPs chances of winning back the White House. …Indeed, many elite and grassroots Republicans believe Clintons personality, which they cant stand, will keep her out of the Oval Office no matter what.

But October has been good to Clinton: a glittering debate performance, the decision of potential rival Joe Biden not to run (greatly simplifying her path to the nomination), the vanquishing of Republicans during her daylong Benghazi hearing, and a solid turn at the Iowa Democratic Partys Jefferson-Jackson dinner Saturday night. All have improved Clintons odds of cruising into the White House twelve months hence, and have thrown into sharper relief some of the advantages she has had all along.

{ a list of a dozen or so Clinton advantages over the rest of the field}
This list is not meant to gloss over the considerable challenges Clinton is sure to face even if everything goes as planned on her sidenot to mention if things start to go south. And a few savvy Republican operatives are ringing the alarm bell in private strategy sessions, urging the party to try to address as many of these deficits as soon as possible.  But dont be surprised if reports soon surface mirroring what happened almost exactly eight years ago, when Clinton asked top advisers to secretly begin planning her vice presidential selection processand her presidential transition. Republicans would surely see those steps as wildly premature, but given all of Clintons advantages now, she may consider it simply prudent planning.  

This.

[btomba_77]

[link=http://time.com/4130143/hillary-clinton-mittens-mitt-romney/]http://time.com/4130143/h…n-mittens-mitt-romney/[/link]
 
 
The big scandal from the latest Clinton email dump …
 
She nicknamed Romney “Mittens”.
 
 
Looks like an even non-story today than it was weeks ago.  If what she called Romney is the headline, this story is done. (Barring FBI indictment)

[Unknown Member]

Hillary is still not going to win the presidency. Her campaign is stale. Her party is growing old. There is no voter intensity behind her campaign. There are a number of Republicans who will beat her.

[100574]

Teddy is not a citizen so Fox skipped the national anthem last nite…ted is a loser

Quote from aldadoc

Hillary is still not going to win the presidency. Her campaign is stale. Her party is growing old. There is no voter intensity behind her campaign. There are a number of Republicans who will beat her.

[100574]

the GOP fears HRC so much so I am for her because why would they be afraid ..they got paramount to make some dumb movie imho…but they have 2 candidates who are not natural born citizens and then lehman;s,low energy and bridgegate Christie plus a sleep Ben.  Ted should have said Rubio u sold your soul years ago

[eyoab2011_711]

What she did with e-mails was inappropriate but no less than what went on at the Bush WH.  She deserves the scorn heaped upon her for acting live a Rovian politician

[julie.young_645]

I want honesty and accountability for each and every government employee, elected or not, from the President down to the janitor who cleans the toilets at the DMV. Clearly, the liberals among us would only hold conservatives to that standard. If one is on board with the fundamental transformation of the nation, he/she is exempt from the rules. As the Clintons have been for their entire “public service” careers.

[eyoab2011_711]

I would like that for every private employee as well, in particular those that are in industries with the greatest impact on our economy.  Your opinion is laughable from someone who demands no accountability for Netanyahu or the Bush administration.
 
I will say it again Clinton (and Obama) deserve the scorn they get for their lack of transparency
 
 

[odayjassim1978_476]

this is starting to shake out into a rolling stone rape story…the law was put in place after she left
and I believe after all this time HRC has a very secure e-mail system on her own

[btomba_77]

It’s not a [i]legal[/i] issue.  It just plays into the “Clinton plays fast and loose with the rules” narrative.
 
It really makes me mad actually … It makes it harder for me to give my full-throated endorsement to the Clinton candidacy.
 
 
If in 2006 the White House policy had been to use governmental emails and Dick Cheney had essentially said “Trust me, I sent all the pertinent archival emails” I’d scream B*llshit!    Republicans have every right to do the same … and to subpoena … and to hold hearings.
 
 

[Unknown Member]

Yep. Some never learn. And yep to anger re Obamas lack of transparency, whistleblower oppression, etc.

It didn’t become illegal till after she left, yet smacks of dodging and concealment.

[ruszja]

Quote from Thor

I would like that for every private employee as well, in particular those that are in industries with the greatest impact on our economy. 

Most of those companies are covered by Sarbanes Oxley and treasury/SEC regulations. Using private email to conduct company business is a big no-no. Most of the recent white-collar prosecutions are based on company internal communications archived for that purpose. In enforcement actions, treasury considers ‘we cant find this email’ an admission of wrongdoing by the company/bank and the missing email is interpreted in the most disadvantageous manner as possible.

Clinton intended to deceive and has something to hide. Probably lots of contacts related to the 80mil she raked in from foreign governments in the emails that have been witheld from the archives.

[Unknown Member]

Hillary is toast! I recall someone predicting this about a year ago.

What are the Democrats going to come up with? Crazy uncle Joe Biden?, Sanders (Bernie who?), Fauxahontas Warren?  A third Obama term is looking more likely.  After all, he has lots of practice with executive orders and all of the illegal aliens will support him.

[kaldridgewv2211]

I have heard things that from Bernie sanders that I liked. This Clinton email thing really irks me right down to my nerdy information security core. She clearly did something that wouldn’t be acceptable by info sec standards even in the crap tastic world of government IT.

[odayjassim1978_476]

please fairy tale…Bibi’s speech reminded Americans of the lies that were used to drag us into the Iraq war..really toast for Jeb who risked his reputation to wade into the mess….people just got a nice reminder of the Iraq war ..the plus side is for Rand who did not looked like a puppet on meth cheering at every stale word repeated by Bibi

Quote from aldadoc

Hillary is toast! I recall someone predicting this about a year ago.

What are the Democrats going to come up with? Crazy uncle Joe Biden?, Sanders (Bernie who?), Fauxahontas Warren?  A third Obama term is looking more likely.  After all, he has lots of practice with executive orders and all of the illegal aliens will support him.

[ruszja]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

I have heard things that from Bernie sanders that I liked. This Clinton email thing really irks me right down to my nerdy information security core. She clearly did something that wouldn’t be acceptable by info sec standards even in the crap tastic world of government IT.

 
This is going to be the most interesting part of this. Chances are, they just went and got some budget hosting plan for $10.99 a month and had this sitting on some cloud server administered by god knows who. She then used a blackberry to have mobile access to the email. While blackberrys communications are quite secure (that’s why the feds are still a customer), the connection between an outside email server and the blackberry email service is the weak link. There is a good chance that everyone from russian hacker kids to the peoples liberation army had real-time access to the sec of states email. To think that they prosecuted Bradley Manning for leaking those cables while the secretary communicates on a non-secure email platform is mind-boggling.
 
Now, many of the .gov domains are also hosted on cloud services operated by outfits like L3 and General Dynamics. But those ‘federal cloud’ facilities have defined security standards and there are entire teams at NSA whose job is to check those federal systems for exploitable weaknesses. Even using a hotmail or yahoo address would have been more secure than setting up your own email service on a hosted service.
 

[kaldridgewv2211]

The thing is and I don’t know if this is true of AOL email, the free email providers read your email to target ads to you. So they are saying she used an AOL address so it was routing through that AOL domain. So did at least AOL read her emails, maybe. I totally agree about the leak thing too. We wouldn’t let someone use personal email at the hospital, yet alone secrets of the state.

[ruszja]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

The thing is and I don’t know if this is true of AOL email, the free email providers read your email to target ads to you. So they are saying she used an AOL address so it was routing through that AOL domain. So did at least AOL read her emails, maybe.

 
From all I can see so far, she didn’t use any of the free email services but had a domain clintonemail.com registered to some former aide and set up her own private email server. There are different ways of doing that:
– setting up an actual physical server in a data-center (or your home) and pointing all the network traffic to it. To do that, you need to know a lot about cybersecurity and how to protect that machine from intrusion.
–  pointing that domain to the servers of a company that does only email and may or may not have security certifications to show that they know how to protect that email.
– using a $10.99  hosting plan from any of the hundreds of hosting companies that will operate a web server for you and using the free web-client that comes with it to have online access to your mail.
 
Until a team from archives, NSA and GSA had a chance to audit her email server (whichever of the three options she used), I dont believe for one minute that she has turned over all the relevant emails.
 
But then again. When the IRS had to find Lois Lerners ‘lost’ emails, they put a guy on the job who is legally blind (right from the you can’t make this stuff up file). That case does however demonstrate why it is a good idea to keep company email inside of the company system. Turns out there was a backup at a facility in West Virginia and once someone actually went looking, they managed to restore the ‘lost’ emails (which indicate that it was Elijah Cummings who was behind the targeting of conservative groups, but I digress).
 

I totally agree about the leak thing too. We wouldn’t let someone use personal email at the hospital, yet alone secrets of the state.

 
In another ‘you can’t make this stuff up’ twist to the story, headquarters sent out a memo in 2011 warning all diplomatic staff not to use private email for work related information, particularly ‘sensitive but unclassified’ info and not to auto-forward internal email to outside email addresses.

[Unknown Member]

And here the conspiracies from the wing nuts begin

Ben gazi!!!!!!!!!

She hasn’t even committed to run yet and the wing nuts are waiting to pounce

[eyoab2011_711]

Funny as things emerge…Clinton revealed the server to State back in October; she followed a path that was actually done By Colin Powell;  apparently JEB conducted business by private email while Gov of FLA…but because it is Hillary
 
That said I disagree with what she did, it should not be done by anyone, but she is hardly the first to do so

[Unknown Member]

I seriously have no problem with what they did

When I pay my taxes I play by this years rules not next years rules

What she did was not illegal at that time

They changed the rules now it is

Non story

[odayjassim1978_476]

now Thor that is too much logic for the vast right wing conspiracy…I mean they have jumped from e-mails to she willfully kept things away from prying eyes(oh yes the GOP screams we got her this is our white water..lets keep up with the insinuations cause Jebs got to win..next up folks will be the willie Horton look alike criminals that will be flashed before our eyes everyday until the election)

Quote from Thor

Funny as things emerge…Clinton revealed the server to State back in October; she followed a path that was actually done By Colin Powell;  apparently JEB conducted business by private email while Gov of FLA…but because it is Hillary

That said I disagree with what she did, it should not be done by anyone, but she is hardly the first to do so

[Unknown Member]

Republicans are being advised to stay out of the Hillary e-mail debacle.
“Only the GOP can save her” Shut up and let the issue take its course. This is not your fight. Don’t give her any ammunition.

[Unknown Member]

Haha

Alda and his predictions

I know where to put my money

[eyoab2011_711]

If Repubs are being urged to stay out then you KNOW it is a huge nothing burger and would blow up in their face…probably because she was storing emails not creating new ones….if what Alda said is true this will be gone not to be seen again

[odayjassim1978_476]

they just have Fox go on and on while ignoring Billy

Quote from aldadoc

Republicans are being advised to stay out of the Hillary e-mail debacle.
“Only the GOP can save her” Shut up and let the issue take its course. This is not your fight. Don’t give her any ammunition.

[Unknown Member]

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[odayjassim1978_476]

the cartoon is cute but I think this may backfire on the GOP because Jeb, Christie etc should be held to the same smear,innuendo campaign as well

Quote from aldadoc

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[kaldridgewv2211]

interesting details I’ve seen about her presser today.
 
– She says she had private emails between her and Bill, even though there’s information out there that say Bill doesn’t use email
– It was for convenience.  Yes because it’s really convenient to run your own email server at your house.
– her staff hand picked all questions
– She certainly seems to be BS’ing
 

[ruszja]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

interesting details I’ve seen about her presser today.

– She says she had private emails between her and Bill, even though there’s information out there that say Bill doesn’t use email
– It was for convenience.  Yes because it’s really convenient to run your own email server at your house.
– her staff hand picked all questions
– She certainly seems to be BS’ing

Out of all the blackberrys in the world, hers is the only one that can’t handle two or three email addresses.
One for government business.
One for politbuero business.
One for private business.

[odayjassim1978_476]

and Rice and Powell did the same thing

Quote from fw

Quote from DICOM_Dan

interesting details I’ve seen about her presser today.

– She says she had private emails between her and Bill, even though there’s information out there that say Bill doesn’t use email
– It was for convenience.  Yes because it’s really convenient to run your own email server at your house.
– her staff hand picked all questions
– She certainly seems to be BS’ing

Out of all the blackberrys in the world, hers is the only one that can’t handle two or three email addresses.
One for government business.
One for politbuero business.
One for private business.

[ruszja]

Quote from Noah’sArk

and Rice and Powell did the same thing

 
The regulation that even ‘sensitive but unclassified’ information cannot be transmitted by private email was issued after Colin Powell left office.  The regulation that any private email system used to conduct government business needs to provide messages to archives dates to 2009, long after both Powell and Rice had left office.
 
When Powell came into office, state was still on a mainframe based computer system that didn’t support access from the internet.
 
Rice did not use email to conduct any state department business and relied on her aides and the marines assigned to her for communication.
 
Kerry is using a state.gov email address maintained by a federal contractor in a secured data facility.
 

[btomba_77]

[link=http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/ap-sues-for-hillary-clinton-records/]http://www.wnd.com/2015/0…llary-clinton-records/[/link]
 
AP sues the State Department over Clinton emails.

[Unknown Member]

The reality of the situation is that Hillary is now unelectable. She is compromised. Assuming that the Russians or Chinese have hacked into her server (an almost certainty), her destroyed e-mails are likely to surface in a blackmail scenario. She may be faced with the unenviable choice of political destruction or getting on her knees for Putin. She is an unacceptable risk.

The other issue is the question of whether an elected US president can serve a term from jail. The electorate is not going to take that chance. This is why the Dumbocrats are in a panic.

I hate to say I told you so, but, I …

[odayjassim1978_476]

no the GOP circus with Trump at the head has thrown the GOP in a tizzy/FOX blinked and Murdoch went from saying dirt bag to my friend Donald ..The Iraq war is like the plague for the GOP..it’s the ball and chain that they can’t get rid of thank god for u-tube and the internet…/…getting on her knees shows why the GOP will lose …so out of touch and dismissive..just saw that HRC was one of the attorneys for the impeachment of Nixon.  aldi..it’s the GOP that’s imploding everyday

Quote from aldadoc

The reality of the situation is that Hillary is now unelectable. She is compromised. Assuming that the Russians or Chinese have hacked into her server (an almost certainty), her destroyed e-mails are likely to surface in a blackmail scenario. She may be faced with the unenviable choice of political destruction or getting on her knees for Putin. She is an unacceptable risk.

The other issue is the question of whether an elected US president can serve a term from jail. The electorate is not going to take that chance. This is why the Dumbocrats are in a panic.

I hate to say I told you so, but, I …

[odayjassim1978_476]

the white male sexism from both parties with respect to HRC is disgusting
not one Bush official was ever dragged before committee meetings..it is quite repugnant

[odayjassim1978_476]

the hypocrisy is astounding
Bush,Cheney powell Condi have never been brought before these congressional hearings..let’s face it this is an attempt to block a qualified white female for the office..disgusting and pathetic given the past acts of white males who held the office or were in the president’s cabinet..HRC never shot any one…did not have a baby out of wedlock..did not out a cia official..did not break Iraq

[julie.young_645]

And I thought your paranoia was getting better.
 
QUIT with the racial, sexist garbage. Hillary is a criminal, although her cronies in the administration are (probably) going to shield her from any consequences to her illegal actions. That is, unless Gaffin’ Joe Biden jumps in the race…then the Pres will order all the secret vaults opened, and Hil will be going for a 10-20 year vacation at our expense. 

[eyoab2011_711]

Just like Obama and Holder protected Bush and Cheney….you want to open some vaults start there before we go after the small stuff

[Unknown Member]

Quote from Noah’sArk

and Rice and Powell did the same thing

Quote from fw

Quote from DICOM_Dan

interesting details I’ve seen about her presser today.

– She says she had private emails between her and Bill, even though there’s information out there that say Bill doesn’t use email
– It was for convenience.  Yes because it’s really convenient to run your own email server at your house.
– her staff hand picked all questions
– She certainly seems to be BS’ing

Out of all the blackberrys in the world, hers is the only one that can’t handle two or three email addresses.
One for government business.
One for politbuero business.
One for private business.

Another juvenile argument.  Just how did you get into medical school?
Your “go to” argument is pretty typical of a 5 year old.
“my brother did the same thing so that makes it ok”.
Hiliary’s response speaks volumes as to what she thinks
of the intelligence of the average American.

[Unknown Member]

It looks like Valery Jarrett outed Hillary. The long knives are coming out in the Democrat party. Hillary is seriously hurt by this latest scandal. Her credibility has taken a huge hit. At this point you have to wonder if her candidacy is viable. I think not.

My guess is that the the Democrat money turns to O’Malley to save the party.

[btomba_77]

[link=http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/03/clinton-emails-115847.html#.VPsGE_nF9yU]http://www.politico.com/m…5847.html#.VPsGE_nF9yU[/link]
 
[b]Team Clinton Will Beat the Press – Again[/b]

The longer Hillary Clinton sits tight and allows the email collection and vetting process to work in the background, issuing assurances that shes now in complete compliance, the better off she will be. The press insects will lose interest and move on to other, more juicy sources of meat. A reporter cant write something about nothing very many times before editors and readers rebel.

However naughty Hillary Clintons email habitsand Im as scandalized as most about violations of the Federal Records Actnobody expects a special prosecutor to assist the Republicans rescue with a never-ending investigation. Theyll have to do their own work with their congressional committees. Will it amount to much? Unless a smoking gun is found in the Clinton emails, probably not. Six weeks hence, when asked about the emails, Clinton and her staff will flick their hands and say, as they often do, Oh, thats old news.
 

One would think that with the constant state of war that team Clinton wages against the press would exhaust them. But in the Nietzschean manner, it only seems to make them stronger. Team Clinton has adapted to predation by the press over the past two decades and learned that no price need be paid for conduct, stonewalling, or lies. This adaption applies to pressure applied by the opposition. Hillary Clinton knows that the Republicans will exploit the email story, but that they will apply a glacial timetable of their own to their campaign bluster and congressional investigations, designed to inflect maximum punishment to her. But how best to hurt Clinton? Knock her out now (if possible) and face some lesser known Democrat in November 2016. Or pace themselves, making demand after demand that Clinton release more and documents. Accuse her of hiding the truth. And then, blast her with an election-eve crescendo that will defeat her directly at the polls.
 
Never as disciplined as Clinton, the Republicans will probably flub as badly this opportunity to weaken her as they did in the [link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/01/23/four-memorable-moments-from-hillary-clintons-benghazi-testimony-video/]Benghazi hearings[/link], and once again shell marginalize Republicans who overplay their hands. The next person who tells you that the email story is so damaging because it symbolizes and reinforces all the bad things we know about the Clintons, remind them of this counterargument: In geologic time, all the negative symbols end up working to the Clintons benefit. 

 

[btomba_77]

I still don’t think this amounts to much more than reinforcing the Clinton narrative of  secrecey, adherence (barely) to only the letter of the law, and playing by their own rules.
 
 
 
But I certainly don’t think it will encourage any challengers.    Only Hillary declaring that she won’t run will do that.
 
And as for her credibility… we’ll have to see.  Recent polling has her as best in field.
 
It will mostly reinforce her negatives with people who for the most part already view her negatively.  But I doubt it translates into a long term significant hit in her support.

[btomba_77]

A couple of weeks in and no ill effects on Clinton polling 
 
[link=http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/18/politics/2016-election-poll-clinton-bush/]http://www.cnn.com/2015/0…ion-poll-clinton-bush/[/link]
 
[b]
Poll: Hillary Clinton still tops in 2016[/b][/h1]  

But none of the top {GOP} candidates in this field gets within 10 points of Hillary Clinton in a series of hypothetical general election matchups.
 
Rand Paul comes closest, with 43% saying they’d be more likely to back him while 54% choose Clinton. The two candidates who currently top the GOP field, Bush and Walker, match up equally against Clinton, with each carrying 40% to her 55%. Huckabee gets 41% to Clinton’s 55% and Carson has 40% to Clinton’s 56%.

 
 
And still nothing from the Democratic party
 

In the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, Clinton holds a nearly 50-point [link=http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/17/politics/joe-biden-2016-election-campaign/index.html]lead over Vice President Joe Biden[/link], her closest competitor in the field, 62% to 15%. Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren rounds out the top three on the Democratic side with 10%. No other potential candidate tops 5%.

 
 
 
Hillary also leads name recognition by far.

[kaldridgewv2211]

it’s good to be named Clinton, but does that also mean she’s ridden Bill’s coat tail to her own success?  Certainly having Clinton money helped her win the New York election.  I’d like to wait and see what may come from the email thing.  At this point I don’t find any of the possible candidates all the appealing.  Hopefully the next election isn’t just picking between two turds again.  You’ve got crazy Canadian, bland Rand, Mrs Bill Clinton etc…not one of them polarizing.
 
I’d like to see Bernie Sanders.

[btomba_77]

Bernie Sanders cannot win a national election in the US due to one word:

“socialist”

That’s just the way it is.

[btomba_77]

  
  
[h1][link=http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/14/how-hillary-will-probably-shrug-off-the-email-server-story/]How Hillary will probably shrug off the email server story[/link][/h1]   
  

{Is this scandal} going to stop her from becoming the nominee, if not the president? 
  
I hate to start off Friday on a depressing note, but Im really becoming less and less sure even as the evidence mounts. 
  
  
What began coming clear to me was that this just isnt the type of story with the tabloid shock value required to grab Americas attention. We can write endless posts on blogs about [link=http://hotair.com/?p=3873369]how the Democrats are in panic mode[/link] over it, but it simply doesnt resonate. I was making a joke with a friend of mine after that show, saying that Howard Dean would still defend Hillary even if we had HD video of her shooting a man in Reno just to watch him die. And thats where the difference comes in Dean would support Clinton in those circumstances, but America wouldnt. You see, [i]we can all relate to that[/i]. 
When a politician does something grotesque which hits America in the gut, the story catches fire. If you [link=http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/28/cunningham/]pull a Duke Cunningham[/link] and steal a lot of our money, everyone gets it. (Actually Cunningham took massive bribes and bought a mansion and a yacht, but he steered tax money to his associates so he may as well have stolen it from us.) If you [link=http://articles.latimes.com/1994-08-20/news/mn-29168_1_mel-reynolds]have sex with an underage girl[/link]like Mel Reynolds did, we all feel the burn. These are all things which everyone will immediately latch onto. 

This just isnt the kind of thing thats sexy enough to capture the national sense of moral outrage and do so inside of the public attention span. Its too wonky and takes too long to explain. And as the days go by Im becoming more and more convinced that this is precisely what Hillary Clinton is counting on. Shell keep blaming the VRWC for making mountains out of molehills and just wait for the storm to pass. Unfortunately, unless this somehow turns into an actual criminal case which results in a conviction, we have more than enough history to show us that it just might work for her. I hope Im wrong, but somehow I doubt it.

 
 

[pratapchandraari_713]

You would think Republicans would have read “the boy who cried wolf” by now.   Clinton-gate is a never-ending search for the “smoking” gun (ie Lewinksy’s dress) that is going to destroy the Clintons.  There have been so many scandals, that at this point Clinton could shoot someone on live television and Americans would just think its another republican hatchet job.   Shouldn’t she have already received the death penalty due to all her shady dealing in Arkansas?  Why wasn’t she prosecuted and jailed for ben ghazi, which is the worst thing that has ever happened in the history of the EARTH?  When this e-mail scam fails to get a conviction, what’s the next scandal that’s going to make the rounds on conservative TV?  
 
 

[suyanebenevides_151]

The establishment people have no interest in actually getting behind it. It’s all an act. They can’t even get Lois Lerner …
 
That’s why you need new leadership. “Outrage” just oscillates between two unwilling parties whose main focus isn’t the country or integrity, it’s on getting elected.

[pratapchandraari_713]

Quote from Cigar

The establishment people have no interest in actually getting behind it. It’s all an act. They can’t even get Lois Lerner …

That’s why you need new leadership. “Outrage” just oscillates between two unwilling parties whose main focus isn’t the country or integrity, it’s on getting elected.

 
I agree, politics isn’t about issues it’s all about winning.  Liberal and conservatives, democrats and republicans are almost the same as Yankees and Red Sox; and there is little appetite out there for a nuanced and balanced point of view.   

[kayla.meyer_144]

This cynicism is what the corrupt & self interested political class wants in the voters. It is what makes FOX rich & creates excuses like, “They’re all corrupt” when finally forced to admit that the lies are lies.

It is not a matter of everyone being corrupt anymore than everyone or anyone being “pure,” whatever that means.

But in choosing I reject the corruption of the Right & agree with John Stewart & Colbert & Oliver of an angry optimism. Cynicism is the tool of the corrupt cynics. I am not one even when I am cynical of something. Like Stewart’s explanation of beware something called Patriot this or American that. It likely is the opposite.

[suyanebenevides_151]

No, they want cynicism and continued voting for establishment, Frumi. That’s exactly what is not happening now. They are threatened.
 
People are tired of the lies and PC stuff. They want no BS.
 
The left is so far away from the founding fathers it’s funny that you even know what America is.

[kayla.meyer_144]

As if anyone in the GOP lineup is capable & willing to do that, Cigar. A load of smelly humbug.

Maybe the likes of Kasich but he’s not electable in the GOP primary. Trump would not come close to being the truth teller or the agent of change, nor Cruz (there’s a lot of shared talent for loud egotistical BS from those 2), nor Paul, or anyone else in the running. Just merely appearing in the GOP contest & appealing to the base proves the opposite of what you’d like. Then after the snake oil, they have to move to the Center & try to regin whatever is left of their souls.

Not in the GOP.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from Cigar

No, they want cynicism and continued voting for establishment, Frumi. That’s exactly what is not happening now. They are threatened.

People are tired of the lies and PC stuff. They want no BS.

The left is so far away from the founding fathers it’s funny that you even know what America is.

And what fantasies do you have about the Founding Fathers? That they would be different? That they would be able to solve today’s issues like they did at the start of the Country?
 
Where do we start? The Articles of Confederation?
 
Many of the arguments we have today are the same arguments, Jefferson vs Hamilton for instance. Slavery was encoded in the Constitution with a slave counting as 3/5 of a person. Why you might wonder? The Right’s “taking” was how much of this Country was “taken,” only the takees were not European so it was OK one must conclude. 
 

 
The Founding Fathers did much but not the way you think. & while they would recognize many issues today (the Civil War & it lasting issues), they would not be able to wave their magic wands to solve the issues you think.

[Unknown Member]

Dick Morris has pronounced that Hilary will be indicted.
How is it that anyone still asks this guy his opinion about anything?

[kaldridgewv2211]

I guess that’s not beyond the realm of possibility but she’s got other immediate problems like over 50% of people polled think she’s not trustworthy.  I’m pretty on board with the sentiment.  If it was her vs Ted Cruz I’d vote for Ted Cruz, and I don’t like him either.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Hillary vs Cruz & you think Cruz is the better person? Based on what please.
 
Hillary is like Nixon when looking at cameras, the camera is not flattering. But don’t just listen to right-wing type criticism, read their respective writings and accomplishments. And aspirations. 
 
IMHO, Cruz is a wanna-be something. Like Trump, he is very enamored with himself but scratch the surface & there isn’t much there besides ego & naked ambition. If given the chance he’d make Hillary look like a piker.

[suyanebenevides_151]

Quote from IR_CONSULT

Dick Morris has pronounced that Hilary will be indicted.
How is it that anyone still asks this guy his opinion about anything?

 
I’ve said that to other conservatives, IR. They can’t get Lois Lerner but they can get Hillary?
 
Only if the Obama Admin turns its back …

[odayjassim1978_476]

Cruz will never be the GOP nominee..they would approve Trump over him..the liar comment put the nail in his presidential bid

[suyanebenevides_151]

Quote from Noah’sArk

Cruz will never be the GOP nominee..they would approve Trump over him..the liar comment put the nail in his presidential bid

 
Notice that even Republicans don’t care about the Constitution. Cruz can’t any more clearly not be eligible, yet people act like he is.
 
But we already set that precedent.

[julie.young_645]

I believe Cruz IS eligible, as was the current occupant assuming he was indeed born in Hawaii, and I have no reason to doubt that. 

[kaldridgewv2211]

It depends on how you define natural born citizen.   I consider Ted Cruz to be a natural born Canadian, which means he shouldn’t be eligible.  I don’t even think his name is Ted or Theodore, and didn’t he still have Canadian citizenship until he renounced it over the past few years.

[suyanebenevides_151]

Anyone who does not have SOLE allegiance to the United States at birth is not, cannot be, and never was, a “Natural Born Citizen”

[suyanebenevides_151]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

It depends on how you define natural born citizen.   I consider Ted Cruz to be a natural born Canadian, which means he shouldn’t be eligible.  I don’t even think his name is Ted or Theodore, and didn’t he still have Canadian citizenship until he renounced it over the past few years.

 
Beyond that, his father was not an American citizen. Again, not even a permanent resident.
 
This is a proxy for Republicans. Given their stupendous ignorance of the Constitution, no wonder they’ve ignored it for so long, as well.

[julie.young_645]

Cruz’s mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth, and was over 18. He is thus a US citizen and eligible.
 
IF Mr. Obama had been born in Kenya to a 17-year-old mother, US laws [i]at that time[/i] would not have allowed him to be a US citizen. It would have made zero sense for a teen mother to travel to a backwater Third-World nation to have a baby, and I think the main reason that rumor started was the publicity material Mr. Obama himself provided for his 90’s book tours, stating that he was a Kenyan. 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from Cigar

Quote from DICOM_Dan

It depends on how you define natural born citizen.   I consider Ted Cruz to be a natural born Canadian, which means he shouldn’t be eligible.  I don’t even think his name is Ted or Theodore, and didn’t he still have Canadian citizenship until he renounced it over the past few years.

Beyond that, his father was not an American citizen. Again, not even a permanent resident.

This is a proxy for Republicans. Given their stupendous ignorance of the Constitution, no wonder they’ve ignored it for so long, as well.

“Stupendous ignorance,” cigar? You make an unintended ironic joke at your own expense. You need to read the Constitution cigar, as Dalai is correct.

[julie.young_645]

Thank you. I researched the birther thing quite thoroughly. I don’t recall when the law changed, but [i]at the time[/i] of Mr. Obama’s birth, given his Kenyan father and a sub 18-year-old mother, he would NOT have been a US citizen had he been born abroad. That is probably why many wanted to prove he wasn’t born in Hawaii. Different set of rules for Cruz. 

[kaldridgewv2211]

Quote from Frumious

Quote from Cigar

Quote from DICOM_Dan

It depends on how you define natural born citizen.   I consider Ted Cruz to be a natural born Canadian, which means he shouldn’t be eligible.  I don’t even think his name is Ted or Theodore, and didn’t he still have Canadian citizenship until he renounced it over the past few years.

Beyond that, his father was not an American citizen. Again, not even a permanent resident.

This is a proxy for Republicans. Given their stupendous ignorance of the Constitution, no wonder they’ve ignored it for so long, as well.

“Stupendous ignorance,” cigar? You make an unintended ironic joke at your own expense. You need to read the Constitution cigar, as Dalai is correct.

 
actually I think the constitution is kind of vague and only refers to the idea of a naturally born citizen but doesn’t define it.  Two schools of thought, his mother was American so he is, or he wasn’t born on US soil so he isn’t.  I think the same thing happened to McCain because he was born on some base somewhere else.

[eyoab2011_711]

14th amendment grants birthright citizenship; it is vague on whether being born to American parents on foreign soil qualifies.  I think embassies and military bases officially qualifies as “American soil”.  Cruz is a Canadian citizen by birthright as well…can’t recall if he ever officially renounced his Canadian citizenship

[julie.young_645]

[link=http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/politics/ted-cruz-canada-citizenship/]http://www.cnn.com/2014/0…uz-canada-citizenship/[/link]

[odayjassim1978_476]

I think HRC handled the black lives matter representatives very well..she was respectful and admitted prior policies from her husband’s administration increased incarceration
I tell people myself if you come with a problem then come at least with one potential solution…the group is young without the wisdom of age and experience.

[odayjassim1978_476]

how many of us have sought advice from a computer expert on how to make your compute go faster when you start to notice a slow computer..their first advice is free up disk space by deleting un-neccessary data that you may have accumulated so how can that be considered criminal if your computer shows the delete button has been used..geeks tell me to clear up stuff everynight because of all the newspapers that I read
Bernie u don’t excite me or the core of the Obama coalition..your

[julie.young_645]

But what if the computer’s main task is to [i]save[/i] that data? It’s time to admit HRC is a criminal, exclude her from the race, and see if Sanders can beat Biden in the primaries. 

[btomba_77]

 It’s time to admit HRC is a criminal, exclude her from the race, and see if Sanders can beat Biden in the primaries.  
  

 
Not surprisingly, I don’t think it’s that time at all.  Sure, it would be great to have some other campaigns already on the ground and running in the event of the low-probability happening that this thing spirals further.
 
 
But the most likely outcome is Genghazi-ish.     It ends up with a bunch of House Committee hearing, Trey Gowdy and the right wing media raging against “criminal Clinton”, and most people on the left as well as independents shrugging it off as partisan politics.
 
The GOP can use it to drive fund raising, they can probably knock down Clinton’s favorability numbers a bit.  Maybe if they’re [i]really[/i] successful in the way they manage the scandal they can dampen voter turnout in the Democrat base.
 
But that’s about it.   Sure, if there’s a smoking gun (obvious server scrub or some damning email) and it turns truly criminal, that’s bad. But the odds of that are still pretty low.  And Clinton also has the benefit that this story is rolling at the same time that Donald Trump is shouting into a megaphone about how sh*tty the rest of the GOP are and trying to kick them in their d*cks.   Odds are this will have well peaked by the time the rest of the country is paying attention.
 
 
The fact that the Right are the ones begging Democrats to turn on Clinton shows the truth of the matter:  She is still the strongest candidate in the race and the hardest for the GOP to beat in the general election.

[kayla.meyer_144]

She “wiped” the server with a cloth. A criminal act.
 
It she or someone else merely deleted any files, it is all fully recoverable is on a Windows email server. In any case now that the drive(s) are in “custody,” there are easy ways to tell is files were erased. Or merely wiped with a cloth.

[kaldridgewv2211]

I thought I heard that her lawyer had thumb drive backups of the emails which were also taken by the FBI.  There’s wrong doing there also because she gave classified information out to her lawyer.  I think this should be a bigger issue.  If I started doing my hospital business via personal email, especially email server, I’d be shown the door and possibly even the book thrown at.  The secretary of state runs an email server, no biggie?  I guess she’s in the privileged few. 

[julie.young_645]

Quote from dergon

 It’s time to admit HRC is a criminal, exclude her from the race, and see if Sanders can beat Biden in the primaries.  
 

Not surprisingly, I don’t think it’s that time at all.  Sure, it would be great to have some other campaigns already on the ground and running in the event of the low-probability happening that this thing spirals further.

But the most likely outcome is Genghazi-ish.     It ends up with a bunch of House Committee hearing, Trey Gowdy and the right wing media raging against “criminal Clinton”, and most people on the left as well as independents shrugging it off as partisan politics.

The GOP can use it to drive fund raising, they can probably knock down Clinton’s favorability numbers a bit.  Maybe if they’re [i]really[/i] successful in the way they manage the scandal they can dampen voter turnout in the Democrat base.

But that’s about it.   Sure, if there’s a smoking gun (obvious server scrub or some damning email) and it turns truly criminal, that’s bad. But the odds of that are still pretty low.  And Clinton also has the benefit that this story is rolling at the same time that Donald Trump is shouting into a megaphone about how sh*tty the rest of the GOP are and trying to kick them in their d*cks.   Odds are this will have well peaked by the time the rest of the country is paying attention.

The fact that the Right are the ones begging Democrats to turn on Clinton shows the truth of the matter:  She is still the strongest candidate in the race and the hardest for the GOP to beat in the general election.

Your assessment is accurate, I think, but I’ll  never understand the hold the Clintons have on you folks. 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from DoctorDalai

Your assessment is accurate, I think, but I’ll  never understand the hold the Clintons have on you folks. 

Speaking for myself, she’s the best in the field now. There is no one viable in the GOP running on any intelligent platform, period; there is no Independent and of the Democrats there is only Bernie who I think is & will be more valuable guiding topics than being an actual viable candidate. So that leaves Hillary.
 
She lost to Obama in 2008 so if another Obama shows up who knows. But you hate Obama as well.

[julie.young_645]

I don’t hate him. I hate very few people, and he isn’t in that elite crowd. I hate what he’s DOING, however.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Wasn’t intending to be literal. You “hate” Obama & the Clintons the way I “hated” Dubbya and now his brother, Jeb and the whole GOP lineup. If they stay out of politics, especially Presidential politics, I think they are easily forgettable & deserving no animus at all. Well, maybe a few deserve some.

[btomba_77]

Quote from IR_CONSULT

Dick Morris has pronounced that Hilary will be indicted.
How is it that anyone still asks this guy his opinion about anything?

See my comments in the Dem Debate thread about Morris now predicting that Sanders will see skyrocketing poll numbers after winning the debate.     Go with the [i]opposite[/i] of what Dick Morris predicts and you’ll be right. 
 
 
 

Quote from DoctorDalai

It’s time to admit HRC is a criminal, exclude her from the race, and see if Sanders can beat Biden in the primaries. 

Quote from aldadoc

It looks like Valery Jarrett outed Hillary. The long knives are coming out in the Democrat party. Hillary is seriously hurt by this latest scandal. Her credibility has taken a huge hit. At this point you have to wonder if her candidacy is viable. I think not.

My guess is that the the Democrat money turns to O’Malley to save the party.

Quote from aldadoc

The reality of the situation is that Hillary is now unelectable. She is compromised. Assuming that the Russians or Chinese have hacked into her server (an almost certainty), her destroyed e-mails are likely to surface in a blackmail scenario. She may be faced with the unenviable choice of political destruction or getting on her knees for Putin. She is an unacceptable risk.

The other issue is the question of whether an elected US president can serve a term from jail. The electorate is not going to take that chance. This is why the Dumbocrats are in a panic.

I hate to say I told you so, but, I …

 
Charles Krauthammer in today’s [i]Washington Post[/i]:  [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/game-over/2015/10/15/5538cb8a-7367-11e5-9cbb-790369643cf9_story.html]Game Over[/url]
 
 

I repeat: Unless shes indicted, Hillary Clinton will win the Democratic nomination. I [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-clinton-remains-yes-inevitable/2015/09/03/57de7cdc-5273-11e5-8c19-0b6825aa4a3a_story.html]wrote that[/link] six weeks ago, amid fevered dreams of a Clinton collapse and a Joe Biden rescue. That those were a mirage is all the more obvious after [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2015/10/13/c7bd324c-71cb-11e5-8d93-0af317ed58c9_story.html]Tuesdays debate[/link]. The reason, then as now, is simple: Clinton has no competition.
 
 
Indeed, even before the debate, Clintons numbers had stabilized. It began with Kevin McCarthys [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/30/boehners-likely-successor-credits-benghazi-committee-for-lowering-hillary-clintons-poll-numbers/]gaffe of the decade[/link]. That gave her a perpetual get-out-of-jail-free card that she adroitly deploys whenever the e-mail issue arises. Her technique is flawless: a few meaningless phrases about having made a mistake, taking responsibility and being transparent, blah blah, followed by (I paraphrase) but look at the larger picture, even Kevin McCarthy admits its a partisan witch hunt. Q.E.D.
 
 
Right now, game over. Amid the playacting between today and Clintons coronation next summer, we can joyfully savor the most delightful moment of the debate, when we were [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/13/the-oct-13-democratic-debate-who-said-what-and-what-it-means/]reminded[/link] by Anderson Cooper that Sanders had honeymooned in the Soviet Union.  

[suyanebenevides_151]

I agree with Kraut: the “competition” was embarrassing at best. Bernie is decent as far as being a debater with a specious ideology but as we’ve said, we know and the Dems know as well — He’s got no chance.
 
Everyone is still sleeping on Trump’s staying power and that he is [i]by far[/i] the best candidate to get quite a few crossover voters.

[Unknown Member]

yes all the latinos woman and everyone else Trump insults will see the light and voter for him in the general election
 
Im going to go buy golf to because it will be at 3500 bucks soon
 
HAHAHAHAHAHA

[100574]

so you don’t buy the latina at Trump’s rally: I luv Mr. Trump

[Unknown Member]

She wasn’t a citizen

They can’t vote

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

I thought I heard that her lawyer had thumb drive backups of the emails which were also taken by the FBI.  There’s wrong doing there also because she gave classified information out to her lawyer.  I think this should be a bigger issue.  If I started doing my hospital business via personal email, especially email server, I’d be shown the door and possibly even the book thrown at.  The secretary of state runs an email server, no biggie?  I guess she’s in the privileged few. 

There was no law against a private email server & retention of emails until after Clinton left the State Dept.
 
[link=http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-email-private-server-top-secret-362822]http://www.newsweek.com/h…rver-top-secret-362822[/link]
 
[link=http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/12/myths-and-facts-on-hillary-clintons-email-and-r/204913]http://mediamatters.org/r…ons-email-and-r/204913[/link]

[kaldridgewv2211]

Quote from Frumious

Quote from DICOM_Dan

I thought I heard that her lawyer had thumb drive backups of the emails which were also taken by the FBI.  There’s wrong doing there also because she gave classified information out to her lawyer.  I think this should be a bigger issue.  If I started doing my hospital business via personal email, especially email server, I’d be shown the door and possibly even the book thrown at.  The secretary of state runs an email server, no biggie?  I guess she’s in the privileged few. 

There was no law against a private email server & retention of emails until after Clinton left the State Dept.

[link=http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-email-private-server-top-secret-362822]http://www.newsweek.com/h…rver-top-secret-362822[/link]

[link=http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/12/myths-and-facts-on-hillary-clintons-email-and-r/204913]http://mediamatters.org/r…ons-email-and-r/204913[/link]

 
I only looked at your newweek ref but it doesn’t really look like it talks much about her lawyer having all the emails on thumb drives.  That included classified info.  If HRC can do it why is the US trying to crack down on Snowden?
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

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[odayjassim1978_476]

the fox reporter yesterday was so full of hot air imho and was attempting to bully her..she held her ground
Trump in all honesty this is very different from Petraeus..HRC did not have a mistress sending out e-mails telling other woman to stay away from her man when both parties are married…very messy/shady

[odayjassim1978_476]

the media needs to dial the caffeine level back…MsNBC had the nerve to report as fact a poll in Iowa that was not monitored and people could vote as much as they wanted just to try to say Bern was ahead of HRC..the sexism that is rampant needs to stop

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

I only looked at your newweek ref but it doesn’t really look like it talks much about her lawyer having all the emails on thumb drives.  That included classified info.  If HRC can do it why is the US trying to crack down on Snowden?

Because they are 2 different issues.

[kaldridgewv2211]

More interesting news on Hill, apparently some tech firm warmed about security issues and was rebuffed by the peeps running her email.

[btomba_77]

[link=http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/hillary-clinton-s-unlikely-political-lifeline-as-new-emails-released-535535683603]http://www.nbcnews.com/ni…-released-535535683603[/link]
 
 
 
Kevin McCarthy the source of an ‘unlikely lifeline’ thrown to Hillary Clinton.   His comments on the true nature of the Benghazi hearing and the email “scandal” will provide Clinton the teflon she needs.
 
This is a significant (and pretty bad) unforced error by the likely future House Speaker.
 
It allows Clinton and every Democrat to say it’s a witch hunt/ VRWC/ whatever. And it will work well enough.  
 
 
 
 

[100574]

another hint that the committee was always a witch hunt-ex staffer filing wrongful termination by the committee because of it excessive attention on HRC
This committee was a hit job by the GOP using our taxpaying dollars and the rug should be pulled

[kaldridgewv2211]

Also heard the FBI is supposed to now have the email because her IT peeps put stuff on the cloud.

[kaldridgewv2211]

but she’s a woman thus making her a real Washington outsider.

[btomba_77]

Hillary counter-punches on emails:

[url=http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/267459-clinton-allies-seek-proof-of-connection-between-watchdog-probes-gop]Clinton allies file FOIA request seeking emails proving that GOP is conspiring with watchdogs on emails scandal[/url]

The State Departments inspector general may have failed to operate as an independent watchdog, shared information with congressional Republicans, and allowed staffers to pursue longstanding vendettas, organization president Brad Woodhouse wrote in one open-records request. We believe that the public has a right to know the extent to which the State Department IG is complicit in this effort to damage her presidential campaign.

Similarly, the inspector general for the nations 17 intelligence agencies, together with Republicans, have worked to influence the public debate surrounding Hillary Clintons email use, Woodhouse wrote, with the goal of damaging Hillary Clintons presidential campaign.

The request comes after weeks of intensified focus on Clinton by congressional Republicans.[/qute]

[kayla.meyer_144]

The Derangement Syndrome is going to get much worse as it’s the only thing the Republicans have other than pure unadulterated fear mongering. Should Clinton be elected & the GOP retain control of the Congress, we will see varieties of impeachment scripts discussed regardless of any absence of evidence and as much resistance to cooperation as Obama has seen, regardless of the consequences to the GOP or the country.
 
There’s too much money to be made.

[julie.young_645]

This has been Shrillary’s meme since Bill the Satyr was in office…”big bad Wight Wing Conspiwacy out to get us.”
 
Even the very most liberal among us cannot condone Shrillary’s gross mishandling of ultra Top-Secret material. Anyone else, and I mean ANYONE else would be under the jail by now. You know she is guilty and unqualified to be President. But apparently it doesn’t matter. You should ask yourselves why that is.  

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from DoctorDalai

This has been Shrillary’s meme since Bill the Satyr was in office…”big bad Wight Wing Conspiwacy out to get us.”

Even the very most liberal among us cannot condone Shrillary’s gross mishandling of ultra Top-Secret material. Anyone else, and I mean ANYONE else would be under the jail by now. You know she is guilty and unqualified to be President. But apparently it doesn’t matter. You should ask yourselves why that is.  

No such thing has been proven but then that’s not important, is it. Usually people have to be found guilty of something other than being disliked by a group of people in order to be thrown in jail, whether either of the Clintons or anyone else. I think this is still America. Except for Steven Avery, & many in the Innocence Project that is.
 
“ultra Top Secret?” That’s even more Top Secret than the usual spook stuff.
 
That too has not been concluded except in the fevered imaginations of Rush, et al, circles.
 
 

[julie.young_645]

Do you have even the slightest doubt that Shrillary mishandled secret information?  Look at Petraeus… his career was destroyed over a far lesser offense.
 
It is most convenient that you won’t consider the possibility of Shrillary misbehaving unless she’s brought to justice by The current administration’s Justice Department. They wouldn’t touch a Clinton caught red-handed selling Meth on the street. 
 
So I guess we have to go hypothetical. IF Shrillary really exposed sensitive, Top Secret (and beyond) material with her cavalier use of a personal server, is she still qualified to be President?

[btomba_77]

Meh …. stupid move on her part.  And you’re right, if she wan’t as powerful as she is she would have faced a different judgement.   But that’s pretty much true of anyone with real power.
 
I still prefer her as President to anyone else in the field on either side.
 
 
As for politics of it, she’s making a smart play.  It is just a variation on the tune of VRWC.

And barring indictment, the strategy will likely work. It will be Benghazi or White Water or you-name-it …. a big deal and outrage to those who already hate her and consider her disqualified and a triviality to supporters.

For Clinton that result is a win.

[kaldridgewv2211]

She should hope Chris Christie doesn’t get elected.   Think he flat out said he’d be indicting her.
 
The democratic party is really a let down.  Hillary stinks, she’s unlectable, and Bernie’s unelectable.  I heard someone refer to Bernie as a disembowelment waiting to happen.  

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from DoctorDalai

Do you have even the slightest doubt that Shrillary mishandled secret information?  Look at Petraeus… his career was destroyed over a far lesser offense.

Uh, no, not a “far lesser offense.” He pled guilty to a misdemeanor but he had voluntarily given classified documents to his girlfriend/biographer. Not the same at all.
 
[link=http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-david-petraeus-got-off-with-only-a-misdemeanor-2016-1]http://www.businessinside…y-a-misdemeanor-2016-1[/link]
 

According to The Washington Post, Petraeus had given handwritten notebooks containing “code words for secret intelligence programs, the identities of covert officers, war strategy and deliberative discussions with the National Security Council” to his biographer Paula Broadwell who was also his mistress. 
 
Because of Petraeus’ position as one of the country’s most important intelligence officials, the sensitivity of the information he gave Broadwell, and the fact that he apparently lied to FBI investigators about giving Broadwell any classified information whatsoever, many believed that Petraeus deserved something more than the $100,000 fine and two years of probation he eventually received.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-david-petraeus-avoided-felony-charges-and-possible-prison-time/2016/01/25/d77628dc-bfab-11e5-83d4-42e3bceea902_story.html]A Washington Post investigation published on January 25[/link] reveals why the renowned ex-general got off so easy.
 
Petraeus’ legal team played hardball over a potential plea deal, with the retired general refusing to plead guilty to any felonies and effectively daring the government to take the case to trial.
 
The Post notes that “Justice Department guidelines” hold that “it is not policy to charge [for lying to federal agents] ‘in situations in which a suspect, during an investigation, merely denies guilt in response to questioning by the government.’
 
But The Post’s report is a reminder of how difficult it is to prosecute classification-related infractions when figures at the top of the US’s national-security and foreign-policy hierarchy are involved.
 
The government was bearish about its chances of convicting a CIA director who had knowingly given highly sensitive classified information to his mistress. The challenges of convicting a former secretary of state and a major party presidential front-runner in an election year and in a case where any alleged intelligence disclosures didn’t involve nearly the same degree of premeditation as in Petraeus’ case are probably much steeper.

 
 
 

[julie.young_645]

But voluntarily exposing state secrets to any and all of our enemies on an unsecured server is just A-OK with you, eh?

[kayla.meyer_144]

So you are recommending Patreaus be shot? Or he deserves prison time? He’s the one who voluntarily exposed state secrets to our enemies.

[aryfa_995]

It’s funny cause if you look at your own chart where I work they will fire you for no reason that has to do with the law but when powerful, connected people commit felonies everyone is at a loss as to what to do.

[julie.young_645]

Dan, I feel the same way about the Democratic candidates. But then we have sentiments as Dergon has voiced that Shrillary would be a better president than anyone else running. Personally I feel just the opposite. In all seriousness, why do some favor her? What has she done to deserve this loyalty?

[kayla.meyer_144]

What have Republicans done to deserve any consideration at all except prove they can’t do anything right for 15 years now at least.
 
“This time it will be different.” The name of a book on historical financial failures that was based on bad math. 
 
So Trump is better? Reality TV as President selling us a bill of goods.
 
Cruz? A smarter Sarah Palin with an even worse personality. 
 
Carson? Duh.
 
Christie? He can do for the country what he’s done for New Jersey. Nothing useful to brag about. And he hugged that guy.
 
Rubio? He’s taken more positions than there are points on a compass. What does he stand for? Oh yeah, he’s young.
 
Kasich? RINO.
 
Rand Paul. Who?
 
Jeb! A retread of a retread. Couldn’t do worse than Dubbya. Or can he.
 
Carly? make Hillary look downright feminine & treacly.
 
What does the GOP offer as a platform? Carpet bombing starting the next war? And what else? Deeper deficits, as far as the eye can see. Seriously, what is the platform?
 
There is no such thing as perfect. So Hillary is bad, compared to whom? And for why exactly? Lack of charm? So far the email thing is a nothing like Benghazi. Who is the better candidate & what is their platform?
 
So far all I see is a personality contest.

[kaldridgewv2211]

I personally like Kasich the best, maybe it’s a bit because I’m from Ohio.  I think he does have experience and good ideas.  I think Carly hits the nail on the head about Clinton, she has lots of titles, but what are the accomplishments that would make her a good POTUS.  Jeb feels very child like.

[julie.young_645]

OK, Frumious, I’m not at all surprised about your assessment of the Republicans, cast mostly in the light of making yourself feel superior to all of them. Sarah Palin is the stupidest she-Devil ever born, blah blah blah.
 
So far I haven’t heard you talk about Shrillary on her own merits or lack thereof. 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Are you ever able to say anything without casting aspersions, Dalai? Isn’t there such a thing as [i]merely[/i] disagreeing with you without being anti-Semitic or similar?
 
Hillary is not my ideal candidate, true. But this is an ongoing argument I used to have with Mistrad, there is no “perfect” candidate because what I like you obviously don’t. Mistrad would always, IMO, prefer the perfect over the good, and then hold his nose voting straight-line Republican regardless of the positions. Always lamenting no one was perfect then decaying and retreating to the “all and everyone is rotten” argument when shown the weakness of his argument.
 
I like none of the GOP candidates except Kasich. But I would vote for him only if Trump were the Democratic candidate, I would vote for Bernie, Hillary or O’Malley over Kasich but Kasich doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in Hell running in the GOP anyway. As a GOP “moderate” he’s automatically a RINO. 
 
I don’t accept the email = traitor argument anymore than I accepted the Benghazi=traitor argument because simply it’s all made up hyperventilation. It’s less than Whitewater & that was nothing but years’ long investigations uncovering nothing of merit. Deja-vu all over again.
 
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

And BTW, the “blah-blah-blah” thing is legit. Palin is not close to being the sharpest tool in the shed, although tool she is.
 
The GOP always seems to field a lot of brain-dead people pushing brain-dead ideas.