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Has Fox won the war on Christmas????
Well what do you think???
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Fox News is the only network with the testicular appendage to acknowledge the existence of Jesus Christ. I respect and support the religions others practice….let others respect mine.
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Fox news and their manufactured ideas like this are designed to give them ratings and nothing more. THey hollar about free speech laws but then want to take away the rights of these corporations to be more open to other religions. If wal-mart believes not taking all beliefs into account throughout the year is in their best interest.. they should have that right.
Yet, when a muslim group starts pushing for their beliefs to be recognized Fox also rags on that.. THis is a way to pull in more suckers for ratings.. nothing more.
As far as I am concerned.. any private citizen or corporation can do what they want to do on private property.. just keep all religion away form public property including these 10 commandment slates that promote christianity outside the courthouses that I have to use. When i am forced to go into a courthouse and refuse to ‘swear an oath’.. how will that jury view me here when the promotion of christianity is all throughout the government?
Freedom of religion my ass.. down here you are only free to be christian.
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Wow, Hero!! You are one angry anti-Christian. Bet no gifts will be left under your Christmas tree. Maybe a lump of coal, at best.
[b]”When i am forced to go into a courthouse and refuse to ‘swear an oath’.. how will that jury view me here when the promotion of christianity is all throughout the government?” [/b]
You should then be jailed for “contempt of Christ”.
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Just because i am anti- religion in public places does not mean I am anti-christian.. If you had properly read my posting instead of jumping to conclusions about what you percieve to be a war on christianity.. you would see that I am against how much christianity forces it’s belief on people who do not believe the same way. I would be saying this same thing whether it be islam.. buddhism.. liberalism.. mithraism.. or even the green eggs and ham cult.. were forcing people, thru law and at gunpoint.. to follow their beliefs.
People should be free to worship as they wish.. or not worship if they wish. If corporations wich to have a ‘ happy holidays’ policy instead .. that should be respected as well.
I’m thinking you should take a look at how much christianity forces it’s beliefs on you as an American.
Oh.. and with the price of heating these days.. that ‘lump of coal’ would cost more than a cadillac if Obama keeps letting these oil companies run things.. <giggle> i manage to get a shot in about Obama too !… ain’t ‘merica great?-
I am part of that 78.5% of the population that identify themselves as Christians. Being the majority, as in the liberal Senate and Congress, we win. Can’t have it both ways. We want religion in our government. As Obama said, “I won the election” so you must do it his way.
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The man who was known as Jesus would likely burn the bible
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ORIGINAL: Xpert
The man who was known as Jesus would likely burn the bible
Why or what parts?
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Ohhh.. I can’t believe you guys are hatin’ on Christmas
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Disagree– his Disciples wrote the second testament which were based on his teachings.
ORIGINAL: Xpert
The man who was known as Jesus would likely burn the bible
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ORIGINAL: Noah’sArk
Disagree– his Disciples wrote the second testament which were based on his teachings.
ORIGINAL: Xpert
The man who was known as Jesus would likely burn the bible
Well, he might have burned the [u]Old[/u] Testament.
Did Jesus ever indicate that if you do something wrong you will be punished by God (which, of course, is the most recurrent theme in Old Testament!)? I recall Jesus preaching the good thing to do, which is the half full part of the glass. I don’t recall Jesus dwelling on the “divine punishment” aspect (the half empty part).
Anyone know for sure?
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Well.. Jesus supposedly did say that not one jot or tittle of the law shall fail until heaven and earth pass away. Jesus taught OT in his travels.. Jesus was jewish so he believed OT principles.. which do say that you should love your neighbor and all that other stuff he was supposedly spreading around.
These christians seem to forget that part when they call out homosexuals while wearing their clothes made of mixed fabric.. or eat that pork roast. They say they are under grace except for that one god law..
One of my favorite arguments is this idea od ‘judeo-christian principles’.. since all that ‘love you rneighbor’ stuff is in the OT.. what exactly did the christians contribute to this?
in any case.. i love religion as a philosophical exercise and consider the implications of people actually accepting this stuff as truth as fascinating.
I think one of the implications is the new Gallup poll just released that says 78% of Americans doubt evolution.. with all the evidence that exists to show evolution occurs . I think this is because the creationists are still too strong in politics.. the evangelicals have taken over my beloved republican party. I think this is just one of the bad things that happen when religion becomes too enmeshed in the law.
So.. I want it understood that I feel religion.. kept in it’s place is not a bad thing.. if the only thing keeping these people from murdering and stealing is the threat of some god who will judge them for eternal torment.. even tho he already knows your heart and your fate.. then I suppose i am glad they created such a being in their heads.
I suppose to sum up that disjointed posting.. as most of mine are because i try to get in a lot of points.. I am not against religion that is not allowed to get out of control as it once did..
Nobody remembers the Spanish Inquizition-
NOT! the Spanish Inquisition! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
“Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniformsoh damn!”
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Perhaps Jesus taught SOME of the Old Testament (OT) principles, but I don’t recall him saying anything about being punished by God if you’re not a good boy and girl. Jesus taught the half full part of the glass [i](“Here’s how to be good…”)[/i] but not the half empty part of the glass[i] (“…or else God will punish you!”).[/i]
In my opinion, the OT is a very scary and very non-Christian set of teachings. It presents God as unjust, it presents Moses as a coward, and uses fear as the main impetus for obedience. It actually has very few lessons about taking the high road to a moral/ethical lifestyle. It only says WHAT to do (ritual) and not WHY (righteousness).
I have observed that Christians resort to the OT teachings of a punitive God when they are unable to use the messages of the Prince of Peace to do their dirty work. It’s so much easier to tell people [i]”Yours is not to reason why, yours is just to do or die!”[/i] as opposed to actually explaining[i] “Here is WHY this is the right thing to do…”[/i].
Where does Jesus forbid homosexuality and gay marriage?
Where does he forbid abortion?
Where does he forbid stem cell research?Many of the most zealous Christians actually resort to the OT for their most important lessons because it’s SOOOOooo much easier to preach the OT lesson that people will simply to go hell if they do this or that.
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Disagree– luv the story of Noah but king David had some issues.
ORIGINAL: Splectus
Perhaps Jesus taught SOME of the Old Testament (OT) principles, but I don’t recall him saying anything about being punished by God if you’re not a good boy and girl. Jesus taught the half full part of the glass [i](“Here’s how to be good…”)[/i] but not the half empty part of the glass[i] (“…or else God will punish you!”).[/i]
In my opinion, the OT is a very scary and very non-Christian set of teachings. It presents God as unjust, it presents Moses as a coward, and uses fear as the main impetus for obedience. It actually has very few lessons about taking the high road to a moral/ethical lifestyle. It only says WHAT to do (ritual) and not WHY (righteousness).
I have observed that Christians resort to the OT teachings of a punitive God when they are unable to use the messages of the Prince of Peace to do their dirty work. It’s so much easier to tell people [i]”Yours is not to reason why, yours is just to do or die!”[/i] as opposed to actually explaining[i] “Here is WHY this is the right thing to do…”[/i].
Where does Jesus forbid homosexuality and gay marriage?
Where does he forbid abortion?
Where does he forbid stem cell research?Many of the most zealous Christians actually resort to the OT for their most important lessons because it’s SOOOOooo much easier to preach the OT lesson that people will simply to go hell if they do this or that.
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My only point is that I do not recall Jesus ever teaching the threat of being “punished by God” if you disobeyed a spiritual tenet. He only taught how to be good and did not teach the penalty clause.
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[b]Did Jesus ever indicate that if you do something wrong you will be punished by God (which, of course, is the most recurrent theme in Old Testament!)? I recall Jesus preaching the good thing to do, which is the half full part of the glass. I don’t recall Jesus dwelling on the “divine punishment” aspect (the half empty part).
Anyone know for sure?[/b]
Very interesting thread to an ex catholic like myself. I take everything from the bible with a huge grain of salt meaning that most bible texts these days are probably quoting Jesus inaccurately considering time past, translation, etc. From my catholic highschool days I recall the majority of Christ’s teachings more in the “turn the other cheek” vein. Here is a hellfire reference that I REALLY had to search for.
From the sermon on the mount: matthew
5:21 You have heard that it was said of them of old time, You shall
not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother
without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever
shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but
whosoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
5:23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember
that your brother has anything against you;
5:24 Leave there your gift before the altar, and go your way; first be
reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
[b]I have observed that Christians resort to the OT teachings of a punitive God when they are unable to use the messages of the Prince of Peace to do their dirty work. It’s so much easier to tell people [i]”Yours is not to reason why, yours is just to do or die!”[/i] as opposed to actually explaining[i] “Here is WHY this is the right thing to do…”[/i].[/b]
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One of the many reasons I left the Catholic church, and organized religion in general. To me just another way to exert power over someone. Not as blantant as in the middle ages, but still this air of do what we say, give us money, or your dammed to hell.
The philosophy of Christ, with the politics removed, is pretty good stufff to aspire to in general.
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ORIGINAL: Point Man
I am part of that 78.5% of the population that identify themselves as Christians. Being the majority, as in the liberal Senate and Congress, we win. Can’t have it both ways. We want religion in our government. As Obama said, “I won the election” so you must do it his way.
I don’t know who you mean by “we want religion in our government”. I am a Christian but I don’t want it in my government and most other Christians I know also feel the same way.
Most people don’t realize that Pennsylvania law currently provides for the following witness oath:
[ul][i]”You [and each of you] do swear by Almighty God, the Searcher of all hearts, that the evidence you shall give this court [and Jury] in this issue now being tried shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth and as you shall answer to God on the last great day.”
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Pennsylvania and Delaware include “[i]the Searcher of all hearts.”[/i] North Carolina includes[i] “appeal to God, as a witness of truth and avenger of all falsehood”.[/i] All three states include [i]”last great day” [/i]and [i]”day of judgment”. [/i]What are you going to do for a witness oath if the witness is not a Christian? Are we supposed to have a copy of every religion’s holy book on the shelf in the courtroom and ask the witness to declare a religion before being sworn in? What do you propose we do for atheists? Some historians actually trace the witness oath back to [i]ancient Greece.[/i] The Christians took over the oath in the 5th century. The fact is, our witness oath is simply ridiculous. It’s an embarrassment to our government to have such oppressive, theocratic, medieval, third world artifact embedded into the laws of the so-called greatest modern superpower which flaunts itself as the land of the free in which everyone is supposedly created equal.
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[b]in which everyone is supposedly [i]created[/i] equal.
[/b]Hey, I take issue with that! ;-}
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ORIGINAL: Point Man
I am part of that 78.5% of the population that identify themselves as Christians. Being the majority, as in the liberal Senate and Congress, we win. Can’t have it both ways. We want religion in our government. As Obama said, “I won the election” so you must do it his way.
An eloquent request for freedom of “MY” religion, and no freedom of “THEIR” religion.
Bravo.(Point Man, this is sarcasm, OK? I am afraid that like many Christians who believe as you believe, you might think I agree with your xenophobic BS. I don’t. Merry Christmas.)
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[b]”(Point Man, this is sarcasm, OK? I am afraid that like many Christians who believe as you believe, you might think I agree with your xenophobic BS. I don’t. Merry Christmas.)” [/b]
“Xenophobic BS” ?? We yet have some freedoms left in our country, despite the efforts of the Obama administration. One has the freedom to use the remote channel changer on their TV. I personally tuned my TV to FOX News and threw away the changer because I have no interest in watching the liberal BS. If one is offended with Merry Christmas, just watch any of the Obama worshiping networks…there are a lot of them available to you.
I have no fear of foriegners or their religions. I just happent to be an American and a Christian. Keep all those Happy Holidays wishes for someone who really wishes to hear them. Again, Fox has the appendage to say “Merry Christmas”.
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You have it backwards point man, no one is offended by Merry Christmas except the Fox viewers requiring it’s use and it use in a religious meaning. It is a manufactured issue to further inflame the anger and alienation of people like you. It is the antithesis of what the holiday means. The FOX manufactured issue is the real insult and the real anti-christian position. Fox is the real christian hating group.
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To say that MSNBC and CNN aren’t pretty insane too means you guys are pretty oblivious.
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Liberals are reflexively hung-up about how their relatively unpopular views on anything will stand up to Fox news and in the media post “Citizen’s United” SCOTUS case. In addition, strategic democrats are petrified about loosing access to persuading the hearts and minds of the independents and middle of the country. This is what happened recently in the debate over the stimulus and healthcare reform/continuous efforts for government take over of healthcare. It will happen shortly when the state bailouts will be appropriately framed as predominately a bailout of union legacy costs.
For decades, MSM was about fairly homogeneous news and commentary, which had been slanted toward the liberal establishment. Think of Walter Cronkite, in probably the best moments of mainstream liberal instincts in the last 40 years, trying to persuade the country about the Vietnam War or Watergate, even when the American people had a favorable opinion about the war or didnt care/know about Watergate.
The MSM has splintered, although a majority of their smaller constituents still look for activist government solutions. For about two decades though, Fox news has presented a majority point of view not well represented in the MSM. For instance, Fox has an active reverence for the military and military culture. Until that time, network news had predominantly pejoratives news about the US military such as multiple stories on controversial weapon systems, feel good stories of the Soviets, John Tower, or Tail-hook. Now Fox, because of their positive reporting about the American military and the viciousness and at times wanton evil of the US enemies, forced MSM liberals to at least pay some respect to the uniformed men and women. This is despite the fact liberals in the media had almost uniform disdain for the American military. Fox has been also adept at presenting the ethos of middle America and the politics and culture of those not on the coasts, which the audience has responded to. This has made Fox appear more respectful of traditions and skeptical of dominant liberal mainstream thoughts on social policy and the state replacing religion as the dominant force in shaping society. The formula for Fox has worked since it captures a large audience, which outstrips its liberal rivals. However, the MSM anti-Fox feeling is than more than ideology alone. Fox news/OReilly made news commentary the excepted new standard, which disrupted their generational formula of anchored and strongly filtered news reporting. There were a lot of Vivian Schillers in the MSM for generations picking, choosing, and editing what was appropriate news and what was not.
Fox news, the tea party, web, and independent media serve as a counterbalance for entrenched corporate multi-billion dollar MSM outfits. In the last election, it is fairly obvious that the counter-arguments to liberalism won the allegiance from the middle. For these reasons, democrats are petrified about where their numbers to win elections are going to come from. The liberal base (think Nancy Pelosi, black congressional caucus, move.org) demands more and more left policy planks from the democrats, however, liberals represent perhaps 20 percent of the public. In 2006-2008, liberals road the coattails of generalized anti-war sentiment to get more democrats elected. Now the war is not an issue to wave against the republicans. There are no new issues to use against conservatives. The dems have desperately tried other strawmen to use-wall street, insurance industry, business, wealthy, etc, etc, and cant make anything stick. However, the anti-government argument certainly resonates a lot louder than liberal arguments.So, liberals and dems really fear Fox and the Citizen United case because it makes it harder for them to package and sell left-of-center policy to the middle. Even though the MSM and most cable outlets remain tilted to the left of center policy, they dont like the loss of homogeneity of message-a la Juan Williams moderate opinion
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ORIGINAL: Point Man
…I personally tuned my TV to FOX News and threw away the changer because I have no interest in watching the liberal BS. If one is offended with Merry Christmas, just watch any of the Obama worshiping networks…there are a lot of them available to you…You just vaporized your objectivity and credibility. Fox is on record as having the least informed viewership of all other major “news” outlets, and also is on record as suing to be allowed to fabricate information and calling that misinformation “News”!
[ul] http://ceasespin.org/ceasespin_blog/ceasespin_blogger_files/fox_news_gets_okay_to_misinform_public.htmlhttp://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102.php
[/ul]But of course there is no way you could have possibly known that since you only watch Fox in the first place!Do you honestly believe Rupert Murdoch wants you to be informed about the [u]truth[/u] about what’s going on in the world when he can tell you a more captivating story to keep you coming back to his eye candy instead?! lol
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Spletcus,
You had to dig deep into the garbage can to find those references. No, maybe it was the cesspool.-
This whole conversation is nonsense.
For every poll showing Fox viewers as idiots, I can show a poll that shows them as most informed viewers out there. A gallup poll showed MSNBC viewers the least informed in2008, for example.
If you get your news from ANY news network, you are doing yourself a disservice.
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ORIGINAL: MISTRAD
This whole conversation is nonsense.
For every poll showing Fox viewers as idiots, I can show a poll that shows them as most informed viewers out there. A gallup poll showed MSNBC viewers the least informed in2008, for example.
If you get your news from ANY news network, you are doing yourself a disservice.
you guys are all crazy. ha !.. I am the only sane one in the minnie-group.
anyway.. I’m thinking most of this misses the real issues anyway which of course.. how much influence religion has on american law and politics. For instance i think the issue of gay marriage and abortion and also even DADT are not political but religious issues and do not beong in american law at all.. is there any reason whatsoever to outlaw gay marriage or not have open gays serve in the military except for religious issues?.. Of course not.. there is not one legit reason for this other than religion since we no longer accept the ‘ick’ factor as a valid premise in law.
abortion?.. that is not even a Federal issue..it is a State issue. period.. the idea that the left had to invent some inane privacy clause to make this law shows how far the left goes in the attempt to control lives.
I can settle that abortion question in a heartbeat.. if abortion should be okay or not is not even the correct question. the question is.. when does life begin?.. Figure that one out and the abortion question answers itself.
All I am saying is religion has no reason for being in the law. The issue to me is bigger than fox news and their trying to implement christianity into everyone’s lives thru US law.
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I agree…but there is no way to dictate how much religion is involved. Democracy is ultimately about people’s opinions on public policy, and translating that through representative government. Most people in this country our religious…and thus, their religion effects how they vote, etc.
Now, of course, govt should stay out of the ‘God Game’. But as much as people want separation, in reality it is much harder to achieve.
As for abortion, an issue I really don’t care about…I agree, it should be a States issue, but Roe made it a federal issue.
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ORIGINAL: MISTRAD
This whole conversation is nonsense.
For every poll showing Fox viewers as idiots, I can show a poll that shows them as most informed viewers out there. A gallup poll showed MSNBC viewers the least informed in2008, for example.
If you get your news from ANY news network, you are doing yourself a disservice.
Believe it or not MISTRAD, I continue to be objective when there’s data to analyze.
For example, I looked for, but could not find, any other report that indicated any other so-called “news” media going out of its way like Fox did to fabricate information and calling it “news” to the point of suing in federal court in order to get clearance to do so.
Show us your data.
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ORIGINAL: Splectus
ORIGINAL: MISTRAD
This whole conversation is nonsense.
For every poll showing Fox viewers as idiots, I can show a poll that shows them as most informed viewers out there. A gallup poll showed MSNBC viewers the least informed in2008, for example.
If you get your news from ANY news network, you are doing yourself a disservice.
Believe it or not MISTRAD, I continue to be objective when there’s data to analyze.
For example, I looked for, but could not find, any other report that indicated any other so-called “news” media going out of its way like Fox did to fabricate information and calling it “news” to the point of suing in federal court in order to get clearance to do so.
Show us your data.
I have shown this data multiple times….you can do a search on auntminnie.
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ORIGINAL: MISTRAD
I have shown this data multiple times….you can do a search on auntminnie.Anecdotes do not neutralize market-wide studies of populations!
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A good friend of mine summed it up a few years back. We were discussing religion, both his and mine.
He was and is one of the kindest, most humble and considerate/ compassionate individuals that I have ever had the honor of meeting. I am very fortunate to call him my friend.
He said, while discussing his faith, “I follow the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, but I am not a Christian. Please do not classify me as that. The Christians have soiled the message and spirit of a great man and placed a trigger and scope/ sight on a beautiful and profound text, the Bible. This weapon, the Bible, and its message have subsequently been used to divide us, demonize others, and build and develop hatred and segregation. Far, far from the teachings of a great man, one I feel is the son of God”.
I have alot of respect for my friend. From what I have seen he truly is a disciple of Christ and brings a much needed and lacking kindness and compassion into others lives.
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ORIGINAL: Tuff Gong
A good friend of mine summed it up a few years back. We were discussing religion, both his and mine.
He was and is one of the kindest, most humble and considerate/ compassionate individuals that I have ever had the honor of meeting. I am very fortunate to call him my friend.
He said, while discussing his faith, “I follow the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, but I am not a Christian. Please do not classify me as that. The Christians have soiled the message and spirit of a great man and placed a trigger and scope/ sight on a beautiful and profound text, the Bible. This weapon, the Bible, and its message have subsequently been used to divide us, demonize others, and build and develop hatred and segregation. Far, far from the teachings of a great man, one I feel is the son of God”.
I have alot of respect for my friend. From what I have seen he truly is a disciple of Christ and brings a much needed and lacking kindness and compassion into others lives.
This is all from a guy, me, who is not a Christian and sees Christ as a great messenger but not a diety anymore or any less than all of us.
I don’t know who you are, but I’m seriously wondering if your friend was ME!
I’m actually sitting here trying to recall the very few people I might have said that to…
And you might be surprised to hear that your belief IS very Christian. In my interpretation of the New Testament, Christ didn’t say HE was diety and the rest of mankind was NOT. Rather, Christ went out of his way to say we ALL are part of God, just like he was! Everyone seems to miss that simple message. Jesus was saying we are all just like him, including his connection to “God”.
And of course this makes sense, Humans are not separate from God…OR from Nature (which is the same as God, by the way). Rather, humans are all part of the same universe which is one with “God”…which IS “God”. So both your friend AND you are correct and actually believe the same thing!
But that’s another discussion. This discussion about God has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Fox, except for the distinct possibility that Murdoch is now trying to turn God (at least the “[i]Christian[/i] God”!) into his own personal franchise! lol
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Ha! Christianity has become a hot and hostile commodity. Fox and the far right routinely try to “out Christian” the others but never with acts of kindness and generosity.
This brand of self agrandizement always plays to the shallow temptations of human nature where one must demonize and devalue others in order to establish and protect ones own superiority (hopefully I am not doing too much of the same).
This perversion throws a simple and kind gesture of wishing others well, “happy holidays”, into bitter arguments and condemnation.
Really a sad reflection of the shallowness of the unchecked, self serving human ego.
An objective observer would probably find this dispicable and confusing. A bunch of humans arguing with wagging finger pointing over how to wish others well. WWJD? -
I am not arguing against any particular religion here because God knows nearly all have their sins, but let’s face it what has been done in the name of Christ would have him spinning in a grave if he were in one. KKK claimed to be good Christians. Firebombing abortion clinics or murdering docs in name of Christainity just doesn’t fly in my reading of Christian ideals. I am sure that Mohammed wouldn’t agree with bombing of Islamic holy sites because you are of different flavor of Islam. I am sure that he also wouldn’t condone large scale murder such as 9/11. There are plenty of other examples. I didn’t realize though that Fox was without any sin because for sure have cast numerous stones.
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ORIGINAL: Point Man
Spletcus,
You had to dig deep into the garbage can to find those references. No, maybe it was the cesspool.That’s ok, Point Man, I fully understand how you feel the need to resort to such simple-minded manichean myopia when you have no other rational recourse to support your hawkish Orwellian dribble. I also understand why you believe it’s ok to sacrifice your freedoms to Uncle Sam in an effort to remain a “patriotic” American.
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[b]”That’s ok, Point Man, I fully understand how you feel the need to resort to such simple-minded manichean myopia when you have no other rational recourse to support your hawkish Orwellian dribble. I also understand why you believe it’s ok to sacrifice your freedoms to Uncle Sam in an effort to remain a “patriotic” American.” [/b]
Let me see if I have this right. Because I wish to get my news from FOX I am sacrificing my freedom??? I have not gotten into who’s religion is right, or wrong, and I will not. Irespect all religions. I simply wanted to hear “Merry Christmas”, and get my news from a fair and balanced source. Are you an idiot, or what?
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ORIGINAL: Point Man
[b]”That’s ok, Point Man, I fully understand how you feel the need to resort to such simple-minded manichean myopia when you have no other rational recourse to support your hawkish Orwellian dribble. I also understand why you believe it’s ok to sacrifice your freedoms to Uncle Sam in an effort to remain a “patriotic” American.” [/b]
Let me see if I have this right. Because I wish to get my news from FOX I am sacrificing my freedom??? I have not gotten into who’s religion is right, or wrong, and I will not. Irespect all religions. I simply wanted to hear “Merry Christmas”, and get my news from a fair and balanced source. Are you an idiot, or what?
Well, no, you didn’t get it right.
I made the bold assumption that you watch Fox because you like what you see/hear there and for the most part [i]agree[/i] that Fox is telling you the [i]facts[/i] and that you [i]believe[/i] them. So if Bush says it’s ok to monitor your phone calls for the sake of “national security” then you believe and agree with sacrificing privacy. If Bush says Saddam needed to be taken out because he was an immanent threat to the USA, then you believe and agree with that and are willing to send our young boys and girls to their death in battle. If Bush says we found WMD (or at least a mobile weapons “laboratory”) in Iraq, then you believe and agree with that too. And if Bush says Iraq harbored terrorists, then you believe and agree with that to the point that when Cheney says to duct tape your windows, you actually pause to think if you have any duct tape just in case…
In spike of what Fox tells you, you are NOT getting your news from a fair and balanced source and you have no reason to believe you are. In fact, if you read sources OTHER than Fox, you would have learned that fox sued in federal court to be able to make up anything it wants to and then feed it to you as “fair and balanced news”, when in reality it’s simply pure fiction to keep the cash flowing into Rupert Murdoch’s Swiss bank accounts. But you don’t want to hear that little bit of truth, do you?
Of course, if Fox was truly “fair and balanced”, it wouldn’t be promoting a religious event at all, let alone favor the Christian holiday over other religions.
But I understand that you cannot simply be satisfied with the facts, perhaps because the facts are boring compared to the Fox fabrications, and so you feel the need to continue your juvenile name calling. Very charming.
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ORIGINAL: Point Man
[b]”(Point Man, this is sarcasm, OK? I am afraid that like many Christians who believe as you believe, you might think I agree with your xenophobic BS. I don’t. Merry Christmas.)” [/b]
“Xenophobic BS” ?? We yet have some freedoms left in our country, despite the efforts of the Obama administration. One has the freedom to use the remote channel changer on their TV. I personally tuned my TV to FOX News and threw away the changer because I have no interest in watching the liberal BS. If one is offended with Merry Christmas, just watch any of the Obama worshiping networks…there are a lot of them available to you.
I have no fear of foriegners or their religions. I just happent to be an American and a Christian. Keep all those Happy Holidays wishes for someone who really wishes to hear them. Again, Fox has the appendage to say “Merry Christmas”.
We Christians have freedoms, but don’t let any other religions have them, huh? Jews deserve to have Merry Christmas shoved down their throats, maybe they will wise up and change religion. Everyone knows that the Islamic people need more Christ in their lives, so Merry Christmas to them, too. No need to include any other wishes to anyone else either. Here is your message: “I hope you have a great day on December 25, but forget about the days when your religion is celebrating. I don’t particularly want you to be happy on any day during this seaon of many holidays except on Christmas. It is the only one that matters to me, so it should be the only one that matters to you, no matter who you are. I am a Christian American, and I don’t believe in inclusion, unless you want to be included into my beliefs. No Peace on Earth and Goodwill to Man, unless they are also Christian.” THAT is the spirit of Christmas, right? WWJD? He would tell all other religions to get bent. It is His birthday, and you better not even pretend to forget it.
You respect all religions? BS. You want EVERYBODY to support your pathetic version of Christmas spirit, to the exclusion of others. That is not respect. Do you want to hear seemingly incessant “Happy Hannukah” greetings and radio stations devoted to Ramadan songs of praise? I don’t think so. But you feel the need for everyone to hear about YOUR favorite holiday, right? And they MUST hear it constantly, everywhere they go. Only that will do for you.
You and your kind give atheists all the reason they need to be disgusted with religion. But since you are in the majority in this country (at least the majority of “Right” thinking people), you think that your ways should be, by definition, the law. That is truly weak.
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ORIGINAL: Point Man
I am part of that 78.5% of the population that identify themselves as Christians. Being the majority, as in the liberal Senate and Congress, we win. Can’t have it both ways. We want religion in our government.
Well, there are plenty of places you can move to that have religion in government. Iran comes to mind. But here in the United States of America, we have something called separation of church and state. Perhaps you have heard about that?
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[b]”But here in the United States of America, we have something called separation of church and state. Perhaps you have heard about that?” [/b]
Matter of fact I have. Maybe you should read the First Amendment, cowboy.
The First Amendment to the Constitution states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”
[b]”or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”[/b]
Maybe you libs won’t mind our leaders in government mentioning God occasionally, would you?? They have the Constitutional right to do so, if they wish.
[b]”Well, there are plenty of places you can move to that have religion in government.”[/b]
I served for 20 years in the US Army, in honorable service to my country…I’m not leaving. I get a tear in my eye every time I see the American flag and hear the Star Spangled Banner. You libs should get “[b]off your high horses[/b]” sometimes, it would make you feel so much better about yourself.
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ORIGINAL: Point Man
[b]”But here in the United States of America, we have something called separation of church and state. Perhaps you have heard about that?” [/b]
Matter of fact I have. Maybe you should read the First Amendment, cowboy.
The First Amendment to the Constitution states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”
[b]”or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”[/b]
Maybe you libs won’t mind our leaders in government mentioning God occasionally, would you?? They have the Constitutional right to do so, if they wish.
[b]”Well, there are plenty of places you can move to that have religion in government.”[/b]
I served for 20 years in the US Army, in honorable service to my country…I’m not leaving. I get a tear in my eye every time I see the American flag and hear the Star Spangled Banner. You libs should get “[b]off your high horses[/b]” sometimes, it would make you feel so much better about yourself.
Hey Point Man, I have no problem if a member of Congress uses the word God in or out of session (but then again, I’m no liberal). But I also have no problem with a member of Congress using the word Allah or Yahweh or whatever.
I also have no problem with Fox saying “”Merry Christmas”, except that by them saying that, they automatically eject themselves out of the “fair and balanced” arena. The fact that they’re on record for suing for the right to just make it all up and present it to you as “news” as they see fit makes me hold anything they say as being suspect, including “Merry Christmas” for the sole purpose of RATING$. They’re certainly not demonstrating objectivity by promoting a religious event, let alone the event of one religion over the events of any other religion that has a holiday around this same time of year.
But don’t tell me that since you are in a “Christian majority”, it’s ok to want religion in the government to the point of passing [u]laws[/u] which favor any religion to the point of requiring a bible in court, Moses on the facade of the courthouse, “God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, or even “God” on our money. God is personal, not political and has no place in our official laws, according to the First Amendment of our Constitution which you are so quick to cite and which you claimed to have served so honorably in the military to protect. The Founders (mainly Jefferson and Madison) realized that “God” was taking on too much of a presence in the laws of the land, and that quickly provoked them to create the First Amendment in the first place.
And if you REALLY loved this country, then you’d know damn well that the popular majority does NOT rule when it comes to federal legislation. If it did, then blacks would still not be considered equal to a full human being, women would not be able to vote, homosexuality would still be illegal, and jury duty would be optional! What would you do if a senator swore to Allah to get this or that legislation through? Would you make a fuss? How does that jive with your love for the US Constitution? Does that conflict with your majority stake in being a Christian in the United States of America?
Stop bullying others about how you are a majority and therefore you “win”, because the moment you assume such arrogance, you LOSE.
And thank you for your service.
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ORIGINAL: Point Man
You libs should get “[b]off your high horses[/b]” sometimes, it would make you feel so much better about yourself.
Nice work, Point Man. In one short post you have “out-American”ed and “out-Christian”ed a vast swath of the American populace. Bravo. You the MAN!
So you would have the first Amendment modified to read, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, unless it is the majority religion of the people” ?
Here is how I read your quote from above:
“You liberals belong back down in the mud, where we Right Minded People can more comfortably walk all over you as we ascend to our righteous steeds.”
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Frankly, it seems both sides are pretty arrogant and ridiculous in this.
Let people do as they wish. Let govt stay out of it. End of story.
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ORIGINAL: MISTRAD
Frankly, it seems both sides are pretty arrogant and ridiculous in this.
Let people do as they wish. Let govt stay out of it. End of story.
I can see how Point Man’s side is arrogant. But what’s your beef about the “other side” showing arrogance that’s any different than your short quip?
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Easy. For example. Dictating to Fox News. I have no idea what started this thread, or if O’Reilly is doing another ‘War on Christmas’ nonsense piece. But that said, let them do what they want. Look at Dem legislators wanting to use the fairness doctorine to stop them, for one.
Fox is a private entity. Let them do what they want. Liberals who hate religion…that is your right. Liberals that don’t hate religion…that is your right to.
If Fox wants to call themselves ‘Fair and Balanced’, that is their right. You don’t have to agree with it. You dont even have to agree it is news. But complaining about their right to do so implies that you know better than them…which, frankly, isn’t how our system of free speech works, sorry.
As for established religion becoming the enemy, or whatever…heck, I can say the same about every establishment: political, environmental, labor unions…which one of them haven’t turned hostile?
So, live and let be. If you don’t like it…simply turn it off.
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ORIGINAL: MISTRAD
…If Fox wants to call themselves ‘Fair and Balanced’, that is their right. You don’t have to agree with it. You dont even have to agree it is news. But complaining about their right to do so implies that you know better than them…which, frankly, isn’t how our system of free speech works, sorry…Well, yeah, I disagree when so-called “freedom of speech” leads the populous into believing a foreign state is a threat to the USA when it is, in fact, NOT a threat, yet we agree, based on such misinformation, to send our offspring to their death in a meaningless war just so the guy in the White House can get re-elected.
I blame Colin Powell’s son Mike at the FCC for allowing Murdoch to own such a large percent of a service area. This is a traitorous disservice to the American people, and Fox is playing them like a fiddle. The FCC at least needs to define what can be construed as “news”.
Otherwise, we might as well torch the FDA and give big pharma “freedom of speech” to tout it’s latest snake oil. Or torch the USDA and allow food stores to stamp any old date they want on their expired packs of food.
There is such a thing as ethics and morality that transcend the law. Fox (and many others) may not be doing anything illegal, but I’m having a hard time imaging that’s going to earn Murdoch a ticket to pass through the pearly gates.
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Freedom of Speech is a freedom…doesn’t matter what you think. That is the point of me remarking about your arrogance.
FDA is different. You don’t have a freedom to drugs in the constitution…that is nonsense.
Ethics and morality are important to the law. But your morality is clearly different than mine. I would prefer to defend freedom of speech by those I like and hate. I will defend freedom of speech of KKK and Nazis…because ultimately, it defends all of our freedom of speech.
And that is why I am calling you out.
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ORIGINAL: Splectus
I blame Colin Powell’s son Mike at the FCC for allowing Murdoch to own such a large percent of a service area. This is a traitorous disservice to the American people, and Fox is playing them like a fiddle. The FCC at least needs to define what can be construed as “news”.
Yadda yadda yadda. You are so upset because Fox news captures a lot of viewers who vote and the left cant effectively counter their presentation. It’s embittering to you because liberals have always held sway in the mainstream electronic media since its inception in the 1930s.
You have to analyze why you have so much unsettled frustration over Fox and the “Citizen’s United” case. More people still watch the liberal-tainted MSM than watch Fox, and, liberal/union activists outspent the anti-healthcare advocates in 2009-2010 by a lot. Could it be that the liberal policies that you champion are an anathema to an overwhelming majority of Americans, even a majority of democrats? Food for thought.
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Can’t speak for Splectus but for me the problem with Fox is the start of this thread, the manufacturing of issues that are not issues & manufactured for political reasons only, like a “War on Christmas.” “Christmas” is the 180 degree opposite of Fox’s positions. The fact is that the celebration is much older than 2,000 years. I don’t recall a Yule tree in the bible & if I recall the bible’s account, the birthday should be celebrated sometime in the spring, not winter. In fact christians started to celebrate December’s celebration in the 4th Century.
So what exactly is Fox talking about? Can anyone explain logically please?
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MRImadman,
Please provide the stats/ polls that support your claim that “policies that you champion are an anathema to an overwhelming majority of Americans”. I am yet to see such polls.
Perhaps a supporter of Fox has learned their tactics well? Carelessly and shamelessly offer misinformed opinions (or distortions of fact) as facts just bcs in doing so it helps emphasize a point.
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[b]”So what exactly is Fox talking about? Can anyone explain logically please?”[/b]
It’s a Christian thing, you won’t understand. What you need is a little Hebrews 11:1
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Frumi, I don’t again want to be in the position of defending a network that I don’t watch. That said…let them say whatever they want. Heck, when the Kardashians are on 24/7 and get higher ratings than almost all the news networks, who cares…because clearly what airheads are doing in California is more important than nuclear weapons or whatever.
My point is, both sides spend too much time whining about the media. I think the majority of the media is slanted left…but does it matter? Not really. It is like complaiining that the sky is blue. Let them say what they say, and hope that the market of ideas ultimately wins out.
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Point Man,
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ORIGINAL: MISTRAD
Frumi, I don’t again want to be in the position of defending a network that I don’t watch. That said…let them say whatever they want. Heck, when the Kardashians are on 24/7 and get higher ratings than almost all the news networks, who cares…because clearly what airheads are doing in California is more important than nuclear weapons or whatever.
My point is, both sides spend too much time whining about the media. I think the majority of the media is slanted left…but does it matter? Not really. It is like complaiining that the sky is blue. Let them say what they say, and hope that the market of ideas ultimately wins out.
There is a difference between the empty-headed gossip “news” and angry manufactured “news.” Fox is Orson Wells’ broadcast except you never find it’s merely entertainment broadcast in a “reported as it happens” news style on a topic that’s unbelievable in the 1st place (invasion from Mars). Listeners & watchers are as gullible (the nicest word that can describe them) as the many who got into their cars to flee the invasion after hearing the realistic-sounding show. Fox manufactures anger & panic and often actual information but you never find out at the end it was faux-news meant to be entertaining only.
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1855120,00.html
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Frumious:
The Fox zealots don’t want to hear that. They will simply fire back anecdotes about how other “liberal” media venues are “just as guilty” about fabricating information. Those zealots completely disregard the known fact that Fox, nevertheless, fabricates sensationalism and pawns if off as “news” for the sole purpose of ratings. It’s amazing how far an apparently intelligent (but obviously emotionally immature) individual will go to cling to an ideology, even when it’s shown to be harmful to society (eg, we have yet to hear a reasonable rationale about how Fox’s “investigative reporting” led to the objective conclusion that we should invade Iraq and take down Saddam).
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[b]”Those zealots completely disregard the known fact that Fox, nevertheless, fabricates sensationalism and pawns if off as “news” for the sole purpose of ratings”[/b]
Hey, Walter Cronkite !!! Please cite some instances of Fox’s fabrications. You can’t . As I previously stated, you “jaw jacking” libs can press the “channel” button on the remote any time you wish. Bet you won’t because FOX is the only “fair and balanced” source for news and you are really a closet FOX watcher..
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ORIGINAL: Point Man
…Please cite some instances of Fox’s fabrications. You can’t . As I previously stated, you “jaw jacking” libs can press the “channel” button on the remote any time you wish. Bet you won’t because FOX is the only “fair and balanced” source for news and you are really a closet FOX watcher..Jeez, Point Man, Fox ITSELF admits that it flagrantly fabricates information and pawns it off as “news”. This is no secret.
People like you are exactly who Orwell had in mind. How quickly you forget:
http://www.auntminnie.com/forum/fb.aspx?m=286765
You’re the one who’s “jaw jacking”. God! lol
Rest assured I do NOT watch Fox anymore except once in a blue moon, and when I see evidence that they’re still hot and heavy into the information fabrication, I quickly switch ’em off again. But rest assured, my changing the channel won’t stop lemmings like you from believing the crap Fox keeps pushing into your brain that makes you so willing to send your own kids to their death, fighting in a baseless war just to serve Fox’s fun and profit (or would you rethink if it came to the point where your own kids had to be put in harm’s way for such a non-cause? Hmm?).
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You are ranting like a madman!! That was one wierd post!!
Other than the 3 pitiful, liberal rags and blogs you cited, show us the money. If you believe that feces you are not as intelligent as I thought.
[b]”But rest assured, my changing the channel won’t stop lemmings like you from believing the crap Fox keeps pushing into your brain that makes you so willing to send your own kids to their death, fighting in a baseless war just to serve Fox’s fun and profit (or would you rethink if it came to the point where your own kids had to be put in harm’s way for such a non-cause? Hmm?).” [/b]
Your medications should be adjusted…you are hallucinating again. So, let me get this straight, FOX is responsible for wars that I willingly send kids into. That is ridiculous and you should seek counseling for your Foxaphobia.
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Occasionally, maybe once every 6 months, I turn on CNN, MSNBC, or Fox (the only exception: an office I work at runs MSNBC every morning). And every time I watch, I am convinced that a bunch of babboons are running each of the three networks. They are all useless, and anyone getting the majority of their information from those guys is a fool.
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ORIGINAL: Point Man
You are ranting like a madman!! That was one wierd post!!
Other than the 3 pitiful, liberal rags and blogs you cited, show us the money. If you believe that feces you are not as intelligent as I thought.
[b]”But rest assured, my changing the channel won’t stop lemmings like you from believing the crap Fox keeps pushing into your brain that makes you so willing to send your own kids to their death, fighting in a baseless war just to serve Fox’s fun and profit (or would you rethink if it came to the point where your own kids had to be put in harm’s way for such a non-cause? Hmm?).” [/b]
Your medications should be adjusted…you are hallucinating again. So, let me get this straight, FOX is responsible for wars that I willingly send kids into. That is ridiculous and you should seek counseling for your Foxaphobia.
Mad[i][u]man[/u][/i]?!
So, what is it exactly that you consider “pitiful”?
Is it the fact that you honestly believe we had any business whatsoever invading Iraq?
Or is it that Fox taught you enough about the economy to know that this administration to be able to correct the mess in TWO years after a mostly Republican government buried us in it over the past 30 years?
Or is it the fact that Fox sued in court to be able to brainwash you so thoroughly?
Please clarify…
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Wow…it must have been christmas because HOR and I agree! I love the term “Christian”. What has ocurred under that Moniker…..lots of good and an awful lot of evil. The point of several of the posters is Fox is biased……I think all networks are biased to a certain degree. Primarily because they ultimately owe their existence to sponsors. I agree with Mistrad in that the major networks are utterly ridiculous in the news they portray and the slant they put on it. Pointman……agree that while other networks are biased one has to wonder when Fox has to report on the war on christmas and belittles local councilmembers for antchristian rhetoric when changing a christmas parade to a holiday parade! One can be sesitive and all inclusive AND celebrate ones holiday. It appears these are silly and inflammatory stories simply designed to inflame ones base support!
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ORIGINAL: oupatientradiologyKAS
…one has to wonder when Fox has to report on the war on christmas and belittles local councilmembers for antchristian rhetoric when changing a christmas parade to a holiday parade! One can be sesitive and all inclusive AND celebrate ones holiday. It appears these are silly and inflammatory stories simply designed to inflame ones base support!
Ya think?
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ORIGINAL: oupatientradiologyKAS
Wow…it must have been christmas because HOR and I agree! I love the term “Christian”. What has ocurred under that Moniker…..lots of good and an awful lot of evil. The point of several of the posters is Fox is biased……I think all networks are biased to a certain degree. Primarily because they ultimately owe their existence to sponsors. I agree with Mistrad in that the major networks are utterly ridiculous in the news they portray and the slant they put on it. Pointman……agree that while other networks are biased one has to wonder when Fox has to report on the war on christmas and belittles local councilmembers for antchristian rhetoric when changing a christmas parade to a holiday parade! One can be sesitive and all inclusive AND celebrate ones holiday. It appears these are silly and inflammatory stories simply designed to inflame ones base support!
Calling Fox “biased” about the facts is about as kind as saying Hitler had “issues” with a certain lineage. Fox doesn’t bias its reports, it MAKES THEM UP. And there’s plenty of reports that show Fox does this more than any other “news” network, which makes Fox’s audience the least informed about the facts than any other news venue.
Fox doesn’t care doesn’t place much value on the facts at all, let along cherry pick them. The only facts they care about are the ones that draw an audience. But that won’t fill up their time so they have to make stuff up to keep the Ct Dudes and pmsrads coming back for their daily endocrine squirt.
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Hate to tell you…MSNBC and CNN do exactly the same.
Just one example. Last week the Obama Administration implemented their plan to consult on end of life issues, the infamously called ‘death panels’. It was rejected by the Dem Senate and House, but Obama decided to do it by executive power.
MSNBC and CNN said that the exact same plan was enacted by Bush in 2007. They kept repeating the story, over and over again.
Except the story was completely false. In fact, Bush vetoed the bill where that language was, and was overridden by Congress.
So if you want to talk about making up facts, I agree…Fox makes up stuff. But so do the others. They are all useless.
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ORIGINAL: MISTRAD
Hate to tell you…MSNBC and CNN do exactly the same.
Just one example. Last week the Obama Administration implemented their plan to consult on end of life issues, the infamously called ‘death panels’. It was rejected by the Dem Senate and House, but Obama decided to do it by executive power.
MSNBC and CNN said that the exact same plan was enacted by Bush in 2007. They kept repeating the story, over and over again.
Except the story was completely false. In fact, Bush vetoed the bill where that language was, and was overridden by Congress.
So if you want to talk about making up facts, I agree…Fox makes up stuff. But so do the others. They are all useless.
Well I hate to tell [u][i]you[/i][/u], MISTRAD, that even priests, rabbis and imams make stuff up now and then too. But it’s a matter of degree. Anyone keeping up to date with past history can plainly see that Fox consistently distorts and makes up the information it presents more than any other public venue.
You have fallen into the same [i]”let me cite you yet another anectdote to prove my point”[/i] trap that they always run into in the Technologist forum. Unfortunately, isolated stories (like YOU spending more at the beginning of a recession) rarely hold up when summarizing a population.
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ORIGINAL: MISTRAD
Hate to tell you…MSNBC and CNN do exactly the same.
Just one example. Last week the Obama Administration implemented their plan to consult on end of life issues, the infamously called ‘death panels’. It was rejected by the Dem Senate and House, but Obama decided to do it by executive power.
MSNBC and CNN said that the exact same plan was enacted by Bush in 2007. They kept repeating the story, over and over again.
Except the story was completely false. In fact, Bush vetoed the bill where that language was, and was overridden by Congress.
So if you want to talk about making up facts, I agree…Fox makes up stuff. But so do the others. They are all useless.
So you mean MSNBC and CNN engages in a War on “Death Panels” but is pro end-of-life-consultations?
I’m confused. Just what exactly is MSNBC’s and CNN’s war about?
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MSNBC and CNN wage a war against the right every day…just like Fox wages a war on the left.
There are so many examples of this, if you choose not to see them, then you are as blind as those people who simply watch Fox.
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So, Fox’s “The War Against Christmas” is actually the war against lefties? Who are what vis-a-vis Christmas? Not Christian? Not sufficiently Christian? And therefore deserving of a war.
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Don’t watch fox, so have no idea what their war on christmas is about.
Tell you what, you watch Fox for a week, and give me a synopsis. For me, it is a waste of time.
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Remember AOL? I am talking about mid/late 90’s before broadband universally existed, and most of us had to dial up the “internet” and signed onto aol.
Well, during the Bush/Gore election season. I would sign in every day, and every day the aol welcome screen would pop up whether i wanted it to or not. There was some sort of news clicker right on the screen. Every day it was, “Gore visits daycare, Gore created the internet, Gore just defecated..” I can honestly say I cannot recall a George Bush story on this welcome page.
At its peak AOL had 34 million members.
Every information body has its bias. These days one has to check 5 different websites depending on the issue, and then reach your own conclusion. There was a point, back in the 90’s when, aside from the talk shows, Fox appeared to be more straight news. This has now changed, and Fox has entered the realms of msnbc and their ilk.
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Well, across the board, the market research studies I’ve come across are consistent in their finding that FOX fabricates more “news” than any other venue, and the viewership of FOX is consistently misinformed on key issues compared to viewers of other venues.
But I’m a strong adherent to garbage-in-garbage-out, so I certainly will gladly consider any other published research anyone else cares to offer which shows otherwise.
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[b]”Well, across the board, the market research studies I’ve come across are consistent in their finding that FOX fabricates more “news” than any other venue, and the viewership of FOX is consistently misinformed on key issues compared to viewers of other venues.”
[/b]Speck, Speck, Speck….what research have you shown us? Don’t come up with those left wing blogs…cite some real research and data. FOX rocks and you know it. Number one television news source in all the country. Fair and balanced. Sorry, they are not Obama worshipers like the so called “major news” channels that showcase the likes of Viera, Matt, Katie, Oberman, wimpy Brian, Rachel (et. al.).
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How about FOX viewers most misinformed?
In 2003
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102.php2009
http://people-press.org/report/537/Dec 2010
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brunitedstatescanadara/671.phpAt least they’re consistent in quality over years of testing.
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Its quite interesting that those with the strongest opinion against Fox dont watch the network. It’s a hysterical and pathetically funny spectator sport to watch liberals bash Fox. Its like old time radio hosts grousing about the new-type “disc jockey” playing rock n roll and smashing Beatles albums. More people watch Fox than its counterparts and libs cant live with it. It’s as uselessly pedantic and overweening as Frumi and Speculums repeated polemic blatherings on this thread. You can almost put the word in Fox critics mouths or on the screen before you read their critiques. The Fox bashing serves to suave slighted feelings that liberals had power and couldnt accomplish anything productive except for radically expanding government debt obligations by 10-15 trillion for the next 10 years, and then getting promptly thrown out of power.
In the atomized current environment of news delivery, the sources of record have been so greatly diminished. It used to be that network news could serve as establishment liberal touchstone-telling the collective about Vietnam, Civil Rights, Watergate, Iran-Contra, South Africa, Kosovo. This doesnt exist anymore. Now liberals have the find someway to disseminate a minority and often unpopular message fairly unadulterated throughout the mainstream. Hollywood attempts to pick up the mantle at every turn (think “Avatar”). But their message isnt direct enough. Thank God, Fox serves as a counterbalance to the the liberal screed of the “necessity’ of higher taxes, endless spending, lax standards, and dilution of tradition. People turn to Fox because just about every other media outlet pays homage to the standardless vulgarization and assault on normal American culture. Think hip-hop culture and how much of liberal media programming pays homage to it by intellectually debasing themselves in order to intentionally set a new and lower common denominator where relativism reins.
By the way, Fox has the most diversity opinion, male/female on-air ratio, minority representation, etc. President Obama chooses to go on the highest rated opinion show on Fox during the superbowl, and avoid polemicists such as Maddow and Oblermann. I wonder if MSNBC or network news television would allow a bomb-thrower like Anthony Weiner unedited primetime minutes to spew garbage like Hannarty permitted tonight. Can I expect to see Darrell Issa or Bachmann unedited?…dont hold your breath.
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ORIGINAL: Frumious
How about FOX viewers most misinformed?
In 2003
[link=http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102.php]http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102.php[/link]2009
[link=http://people-press.org/report/537/]http://people-press.org/report/537/[/link]Dec 2010
[link=http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brunitedstatescanadara/671.php]http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brunitedstatescanadara/671.php[/link]At least they’re consistent in quality over years of testing.
Please dont site ultra-left wing propaganda sites such as worldpublicppinion. Worldpublicopinion was intentionally set up to actively push a global warming agenda. They are fatally compromised as I have proven here in the past.
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FYI…Obama is going to go on O’Reilly just before the Super Bowl.
He must be playing into the Fox News magic.
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ORIGINAL: MISTRAD
FYI…Obama is going to go on O’Reilly just before the Super Bowl.
He must be playing into the Fox News magic.
If true, O’Reilly will destroy him and his teleprompter.
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Nah…liberals don’t give O’Reilly credit as an interviewer. He is much fairer when doing interviews than when he goes off on his show. His interviews of Obama and Hillary in 2008 were actually the best interviews I saw of the two of them, and he didn’t attack them at all.
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[font=”trebuchet ms”]I think his interviews are reasonable…..its the opinionated invective he spouts out afterwards I have heartburn about….I also find it amusing a guy with his own female male relationship issues is jumping all over Assange[/font]
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I agree…he is a blowhard on his show.
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ORIGINAL: Point Man
[b]”So what exactly is Fox talking about? Can anyone explain logically please?”[/b]
It’s a Christian thing, you won’t understand. What you need is a little Hebrews 11:1
Which is:
[u][i]”Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.”[/i][/u]
So how does that explain “The War on Christmas?” I don’t think you understand at all about Christmas & it’s origins. Hebrews is Paul’s Epistle to the Hebrews about faith, but the fact is that Paul did not ever celebrate Christmas. He quite possibly would have seen it as blasphemy since at the time it was fully a pagan (& Roman) celebration & holiday only adopted by Christianity more than 200 years after Paul’s death. It is first celebrated by Christians in 336 after Constantine declared Christianity the (newly) favorite Roman religion. Early Christians argued that if the birth be celebrated, it be done in March or May (Spring when lambs are born) while other argued celebrating the birth at all would be too similar to paganism.
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And that’s why, for the past 5 years, every single sermon at Christmas mass immediately gets defensive about the date of Christmas being December 25. The sermons ALWAYS begin with [i]”We’re not celebrating the date, we’re celebrating the EVENT!”[/i]. The reframing is amazing.
What prevents the church from further morphing it some time in the future into [i]”We’re not celebrating an event, we’re celebrating a STATE OF MIND”[/i]?!
It’s a no-brainer to imagine a post-apocalyptic Christmas sermon starting out with[i] “We’re not celebrating a state of mind, we’re celebrating OUR SURVIVAL!”…[/i]
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ORIGINAL: MRImadman
…Yadda yadda yadda. You are so upset because Fox news captures a lot of viewers who vote and the left cant effectively counter their presentation. It’s embittering to you because liberals have always held sway in the mainstream electronic media since its inception in the 1930s.You have to analyze why you have so much unsettled frustration over Fox and the “Citizen’s United” case. More people still watch the liberal-tainted MSM than watch Fox, and, liberal/union activists outspent the anti-healthcare advocates in 2009-2010 by a lot. Could it be that the liberal policies that you champion are an anathema to an overwhelming majority of Americans, even a majority of democrats? Food for thought.
Your lunatic diatribe only vindicates my point. I wonder if you’d feel the same way if you lost a child in such a pointless war.
Or maybe you did and need to desperately clutch onto gleaning some important meaning from it.
Either way is sad.
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ORIGINAL: MISTRAD
If Fox wants to call themselves ‘Fair and Balanced’, that is their right. You don’t have to agree with it. You dont even have to agree it is news. But complaining about their right to do so implies that you know better than them…which, frankly, isn’t how our system of free speech works, sorry.
So can I form a private company selling dessicated corn husks and call it , “The Best Damn Human Food, Period” ? I suspect there would be more than just distribution/profit problems.
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That is moronic.
You can SAY anything you want. But once you sell it, that is not covered under free speech. I would think intelligent people would recognize the difference…apparently not.
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ORIGINAL: MISTRAD
That is moronic.
You can SAY anything you want. But once you sell it, that is not covered under free speech. I would think intelligent people would recognize the difference…apparently not.
Moronic? I can buy that. I can’t buy the big distinction between what you think is advertising and what you think is not.
Fox News blatantly advertises their programming as “Fair and Balanced.” It is not either of these, as these two terms are commonly understood.
How is that NOT false advertising, learned one? How is their famous slogon NOT being sold?
I can SAY that Fox News is unfair and unbalanced, but if I advertise that opinion, there may be repercussions. Should Glenn Beck tell everyone repeatedly that Fox News is fair and balanced, that is his opinion and his right to say (even if he is dead wrong.) If a Fox News advertisement says “Fair and Balanced” then they better be able to back it up, no?
Dessicated Corn Husks–the favorite and best food for the active generation. -
Hell, look at how many people believe fat is bad for you and carbs are good for you.
Look at how many kids have bloated and even died due to complications of Type II McDiabetes.
Look at how many back problems there are today because of how Sealy convinced the world that even orthopedists prefer hard mattresses (which is absolutely untrue).
And look at how Wonder Bread was told to cease and desist expressing its “freedom of speech” when it was told it could no longer claim its product “build strong bodies 12 ways”! lol
What a foolish debate about the obvious.
But what’s FAR worse is that our own politicians, all the way to the top, are under no obligation whatsoever to tell the public the truth. In fact, they’re not even under obligation to insure what they say isn’t a deliberate fabricated lie.
Apparently some people’s speech is more free than others’.
Anything that directly affects the life and death of an individual should be regulated, and yet Fox and Wash D.C. can fabricate information about some “bad guy”, thereby prompting public outcry to get that bad guy, thereby prompting political lobbying to invade the bad guy’s country apparently for the purpose of gaining public approval, thereby sending our children to their death for no good reason…and none of that is illegal…and MISRAD wants to ensure they are allowed to continue such behavior!
And we’re supposed to consider that patriotic, huh?
Go figure.
Why don’t we all kick go back to living in caves and let the hot shots who know better in Washington run the asylum?
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Yup, and all of those things make you guys fit my description. Thanks.
You seem to know better…for everyone. That is the definition of arrogance.
You are right, it is obvious: You guys are arrogant.
This is why I will fight for my constitutional right, as well as yours: because people like you exist.
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ORIGINAL: MISTRAD
Yup, and all of those things make you guys fit my description. Thanks.
You seem to know better…for everyone. That is the definition of arrogance.
You are right, it is obvious: You guys are arrogant.
This is why I will fight for my constitutional right, as well as yours: because people like you exist.
Yeah, just like it’s arrogant to absolutely insist that the apple at sea level on planet Earth will definitely fall to the ground if it rolls past the edge of the table. That damn arrogant Newton; who the hell did he think he was, being all arrogant about gravity and all?!
You’re too much, MISTRAD.
Knowing better than anyone else is not arrogance. That’s called education. Arrogance, on the other hand, is not listening to anyone else’s opinion because you want to preclude their opinion with your own opinion without having to explain yourself to convince anyone else why you may be right.
And the last time I checked, I’ve provided as much logic and rationale to every single tenet I’ve proposed. But YOU, on the other hand, exhibit the arrogance of refusing to discuss your own rationale until I agree to take additional steps to provide historic examples (each of which I assume you will throw Fox-esque darts at) in an attempt to convince you with certainty before you are willing to share your own thoughts about why you make certain statements that so far have no obvious basis in logic, like why the rich suddenly would increase consumption at the BEGINNING of a recession, but then pull back their consumption DURING the recession!
Oh, the arrogant streak in this discussion is bright neon in a dark room alright.
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Have to (and can’t believe I am doing so) agree with MISTRAD. Murdoch can do what he wants and call it what he wants. I happen to have the opinion that his “news” channel is heavily weighted to the right and a generator distortions which frequently border on lies. But thats Murdochs right. I find it distgusting to listen to the venomous hatred espoused by some of the folks down here in the south, but know that that is their right as well.
Fox “news” (to me) is an infomercial. There is alot of BS being peddled to a solid portion of the population. There are claims that are being made that are clearly hyped up at best. Do I think that Chuck Norris’s abdo-crunch-rocket will make me lose 30 pounds, no. Same way I dont expect Glenn Beck to ever cease invoking the Nazi/ Hitler comparisons to _____ (fill in the name of a democrat). They are both selling stuff (In an interview with Forbes Beck stated that he was an entertainer).
But in the end I have the remote. I will again shake my head and flip the channel.
There are alot of arrogant blow-hards out there who really turn me off: Riley, Beck, Obermann. The common disturbing theme (both on their channels and on this forum) is the firm belief that ones opinion (backed by education or experience) is truth and that those who disagree are inferior or flawed. It always amazes me that 40 yo men and women can mirror my 10 yo daughters behavior when there is dischord in her peer group. -
Of course, I agree with you, Tuff Gong, about it being their right. But what boils my blood is that Chuck’s Abdo-doodad doesn’t create public opinion that ends up sending my kids to their death on the battlefield for the sake of profit and re-election. I think that’s an important difference. After all, it’s my right to hate the guy who convinces people to do evil things even if they’re not illegal things.
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I hear you. I am just not sure that Fox has that much sway and influence. The folks that watch TV and tune into Fox are a fraction of our population.
The drum beat to war was, IMO, ginned up very effectively by the Bush administration. They had most if not all networks harmonizing their talking points The false information and confusion that George and Dick created reached most of our population via NBC, CBS, ABC, and all the daily paper journals. Granted, Fox was the most vocal, but I honestly cant see them, alone, having that much influence.
There are several issues that they are quite alone on and have had very little overall influence on the general population. The birther movement is stoked occasionally by Fox and probably has had a longer shelf life as a result. But the majority of Americans see this nonsense for what it is.
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No. Only Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior can win the war.
[link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXh7JR9oKVE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXh7JR9oKVE[/link] -
ORIGINAL: MISTRAD
That is moronic.
You can SAY anything you want. But once you sell it, that is not covered under free speech. I would think intelligent people would recognize the difference…apparently not.
Well, apparently the parents who gladly watched their children march to their death in Iraq can’t tell the difference.
I guess you must be calling them stupid.
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I agree with Hero. There is no reason at all that the oath shouldn’t be changed from “…so help you God” to the MUCH more appropriate, relevant, and meaningful “…under full penalty of the law”. The phrase “so help you God” is actually totally meaningless from a legal standpoint. It’s a vestige from when the USA, itself, was a third world country trying to prove it actually was civil to its people. The paradox is that “so help you God” is the mantra of a theocracy, a form of government that those same “ten commandment states” have basically declared war against!
Point Man, it’s not “anti-Christian”; it’s “[u]non[/u]-Christian”. There is no attitude [i]against[/i] a religion, it’s a principles whereby religion simply does not enter the equation of the process of “justice”.
The court should simply require that people tell the truth according to its laws which describe the full penalty for perjury (and I’m doubt the law says we must tell the truth or we will go to Hell, even in a ten commandment state!). The pressure that people feel from any other reason for telling the truth (other than being required by law) is their own business.
– Some people tell the truth because their religion tells them to.
– Others tell the truth because they had it beat into them by their parents when they were kids.
– Still others tell the truth simply because they know it’s the right thing to do.It’s not government’s job to tell people [u]why[/u] they should tell the truth (other than it being the law). It’s simply government’s job to make the rules (such as the requirement that the truth be told) and then enforce those rules (“…under penalty of law”). Period.
Make no mistake, the religious hypocrites in this discussion are the ones trying to turn this into an “anti-Christian” issue, not “anti-Christians”.
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I love how the so-called Christians at Fox worry about the “war on Christmas when their main complaints are the secular symbols derived from the pagan winter solstice celebration and the corporatization of the holiday that drives the economy are under attack, with nary a word of the true “religious” meaning or Jesus, the quintessential liberal/socialist. I guess if they had to actually base their views on the bible, they couldn’t do the bidding of their corporate masters.
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ORIGINAL: Hero of Reason
Fox news and their manufactured ideas like this are designed to give them ratings and nothing more. THey hollar about free speech laws but then want to take away the rights of these corporations to be more open to other religions. If wal-mart believes not taking all beliefs into account throughout the year is in their best interest.. they should have that right.
Yet, when a muslim group starts pushing for their beliefs to be recognized Fox also rags on that.. THis is a way to pull in more suckers for ratings.. nothing more.
Is this opposite day because I just agreed heartily with HoR?
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No. Fox will make noise & those on the defense will characterize it all as pro or anti christian for divisive ends. But, in the holiday spirit, that’s all BS and not in keeping with the holiday spirit. Fox is anti-Christmas for throwing gas on the flames of division. Christmas is about more important things than that.
The Christians appropriated the holiday, the celebration of the winter solstice that is and always has been a pagan celebration. All the accouterments are pagan, from the yule tree to presents to lights to smiles everywhere. It is a multi-faith and multi-belief (or no belief for Heroes amongst us) celebration. I for one hope it continues forever. It is & will always be my favorite.
Marry Christmas to all! including my fellow non-christians! Let’s celebrate the birth of the Sun & the coming Spring & life’s renewal. may next year always be better than the last.
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[h1][b]Lara Trump Claims Liberal Plot Against Thanksgiving[/b][/h1]
Lara Trump, the Fox News contributor and wife of Eric Trump, [link=https://www.mediaite.com/tv/lara-trump-says-liberals-waging-war-on-thanksgiving/?jwsource=em]has bizarrely claimed[/link] that the rising cost of the Thanksgiving turkey is part of a liberal plot to chip away at American traditions, [link=https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/nov/25/lara-trump-turkeys-liberal-plot-thanksgiving]The Guardian[/link] reports.
Said Trump: It all goes to fundamentally transforming this country, and the way you do that is you make sure that we have no commonality whatsoever, no traditions as Americans whatsoever. You start chipping away at that, and they dont care that Thanksgiving costs a lot more.
She added: They dont want us to have any common ground. They dont want us to have any shared traditions like Thanksgiving. A lot of places last month actually did away with Halloween because they wanted to be inclusive of the people that didnt celebrate Halloween.
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There were a few fringe leftist anti-thanksgiving things out there such as against the wsj posting old editorials but that’s pretty crazy by lara there.
I do have no doubt that wokeologists will come for Thanksgiving in full force someday though!
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Bill O’Reilly. How quaint.
This thread was 10 years dormant. In 2011, ‘The Apprentice’ was a goofy TV show with a goofy host and radiology was adjusting to ‘the new normal’ after the DRA crushed the outpatient imaging business.
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