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  • Gun Control

    Posted by Unknown Member on May 31, 2013 at 7:46 am

    [link=http://www.lodinews.com/opinion/columnists/steve_hansen/article_d289fa93-7369-58ac-a66d-8119639f1685.html]http://www.lodinews.com/opinion/columnists/steve_hansen/article_d289fa93-7369-58ac-a66d-8119639f1685.html[/link]
     
    [link=http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/central-massachusetts/boy-6-gets-detention-for-lego-gun-on-bus/-/11983998/20326440/-/u3m32w/-/index.html]http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/central-massachusetts/boy-6-gets-detention-for-lego-gun-on-bus/-/11983998/20326440/-/u3m32w/-/index.html[/link]
     
    The death of common sense

    kayla.meyer_144 replied 1 year, 2 months ago 10 Members · 125 Replies
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  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    May 31, 2013 at 7:59 am

    The Lodinews piece is hilarious.
    The Springfield incident is frightening.

    And while these anecdotal stories certainly don’t signal the “death of common sense”, it certainly showcases (and warns us about) ignorant people who mean well but, in the process, end up causing more harm than good.

    • Unknown Member

      Deleted User
      May 31, 2013 at 8:11 am

      Zero tolerance can be dangerous. Just like mandatory drug sentencing laws.
      There should be some room to reason. Isn’t that what distinguishes us as humans?

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        May 31, 2013 at 1:41 pm

        Quote from IR_CONSULT

        Zero tolerance can be dangerous. Just like mandatory drug sentencing laws.
        There should be some room to reason. Isn’t that what distinguishes us as humans?

        Not according to the Tea Party, apparently.
         
        In any case, zero tolerance can be dangerous when it’s defined by idiots. Telling 6 y/o kids that they may not show an image of,  bring in an abstract toy model of, or even talk about, guns, is astronomically absurd, dangerous, and irresponsible, as is a zero tolerance stance on abortion, contraception, and gay marriage. 
         
        The “zero tolerance” of any gun control legislation, such as “background checks”, psych profiles, and keeping records of private or trade show purchases, is equally dangerous. After all, the Second Amendment does require a “well-regulated militia” as a prerequisite to own a gun, contrary to SCOTUS’ opinion…which is also rather dangerous. 
         
         

        • Unknown Member

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          May 31, 2013 at 7:31 pm

          I consider myself a conservative. Have never been to church in my life. Not opposed to gay marriage ( they can be as miserable as the rest of us). No interest in reversing abortion laws. Support universal background checks. Highly support doing away with Rockefeeler drug laws. Support limited federal government and minimizing taxes.
          Think ACA is a disaster which will not insure everyone and increase costs to everyone. Would support single payor system as long as there are provisons to deal with tort. This will never happen.
          I know enough lower class and middle class people who feel no benefit from democratic legislation but feel obligated to vote democratic because the democrats promise utopia.

          • raallen

            Member
            May 31, 2013 at 10:16 pm

            Quote from IR_CONSULT

            I know enough lower class and middle class people who feel no benefit from democratic legislation but feel obligated to vote democratic because the democrats promise utopia.

            This is why there is so much visceral hate about the ‘tea parties’.

            And what is the ‘tea parties’ message to hate? Less or managed government growth, and lower taxes??!! Well, that’s it. However, in that directive evokes powerful enemies to action because opponents of “Less or managed government growth, and lower taxes” keep promoting a government designed utopia to that obviously doesnt exist. The democratics cant tolerate a message of managed government growth or less taxes, because it bursts their utopia bubble/message.
             
            Compare  to the Progressive caucus agenda. All of the following are issues that prominent Progressive politicians  have recently tried or been successful into fashioning into laws:
             
            Less government or managed government growth, and Lower taxes
             
            versus,
             
            Statistically enforced fairness in outcomes for all,
            Very high tax increases,
            Increasing/intentional confusion of regulation,
            Confiscation of personal property (property/inheritance tax),
            Uber-tracking of personal property and assets,
            Abolishing the second amendment,
            Letting criminals out of prison early, or decriminalizing violence,
            Using state/bureaucratic apparatus at silencing/punishing critics,
            Erecting new international trade barriers,
            Forcing the public to use very expensive/limited energy resources to appease a political plank (green members),
            Quotas. Evaluating the successful or failure of any institution or operation by the color of their skin.
            Centralizing as much power as possible in Washington DC, with matters states have handle fine for decades.
            Seemless giveaways of state collected money through direct electronic transfers to individuals for not working,
                  while ignoring the inherent corruption of this practice,
            Reversing the necessary 90s democratic reform of changing ‘workfare’ back to ‘welfare”
            Instilling chilling and thought-dampening speech codes within any institution they have sway with,
            Providing young adult to the grave absolutes in giveways and staunch protection to organized labor,
                  despite no expectations or demands of union members professionalism or competence, 
            Taxing US corporations at a higher rate, although the US already has the highest corporate tax rates in the world,
            Regulating every new technological breakthrough, management and even content of the electronic media,
            Use of federal money for ‘shovel ready’ works that have no or negligible value, as a way to pay off unions,
            Bailouts of failed municipalities long controlled and run into the ground by incompetent democratic elites,
            Ignoring external and internal threats of terrorists, and then when it occurs, blaming it on “Western media’,
            Trying to get the central banking system to serve politically myopic redistributionist goals,
            etc.
             
             
             
             
             

            • Unknown Member

              Deleted User
              June 1, 2013 at 9:24 am

              Quote from RVU

              Quote from IR_CONSULT

              I know enough lower class and middle class people who feel no benefit from democratic legislation but feel obligated to vote democratic because the democrats promise utopia.

              This is why there is so much visceral hate about the ‘tea parties’.

              Really? You say [u][i]this[/i][/u] is the reason?
              You’ve determine that [i][u]this[/u][/i] is why people have[i] “so much viceral hate about the ‘tea parties’ “[/i], huh?
              Most people vote democrat because they promise utopia?
              I’ve never heard democrats promise utopia. Interesting characterization.
               
              I always thought it was more like we’ve never heard Republicans promise [i][u]anything[/u][/i] lately…well, except promising that they’ll do whatever they must to paralyze and terrorize the USA Government while “Barack Hussein Obama is President”.
               
              Just when I thought your cave couldn’t possibly get any darker.
               
               

          • Unknown Member

            Deleted User
            June 8, 2013 at 5:58 am

            Quote from IR_CONSULT

            I consider myself a conservative. Have never been to church in my life. Not opposed to gay marriage ( they can be as miserable as the rest of us). No interest in reversing abortion laws. Support universal background checks. Highly support doing away with Rockefeeler drug laws. Support limited federal government and minimizing taxes.
            Think ACA is a disaster which will not insure everyone and increase costs to everyone. Would support single payor system as long as there are provisons to deal with tort. This will never happen.
            I know enough lower class and middle class people who feel no benefit from democratic legislation but feel obligated to vote democratic because the democrats promise utopia.

            Yep, IR, you sound like a consultant.  Commit to nothing, dazzle them with the vastness of your knowledge, give the impression that you are a Conservative, and quasi-support the agenda of the left.  You are truly a mess.

            • Unknown Member

              Deleted User
              June 11, 2013 at 1:29 pm

               imho, the whole gun issue has become way to politicized.  common sense has gone out the window and no one is listening to anyone else.   it’s kinda like some debates about religion; no debate, only a lot of talking over each other and your wrong and they are right… but if some type of common sense was injected back into this way to politically correct society, it would be a good start.
              another case in point: [link=http://www.fox43tv.com/dpps/news/local/boy-who-held-pencil-like-gun-suspended_6109580]http://www.fox43tv.com/dp…-gun-suspended_6109580[/link]

              • btomba_77

                Member
                March 11, 2021 at 2:54 pm

                [b]Gun Background Checks May Test Manchin on Filibuster[/b][/h1]  
                A House-passed bill to expand gun background checks will be an early test of Democratic Sen. Joe Manchins commitment to the Senate rules that enable the Republican minority to block Democratic priorities, [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-11/gun-background-checks-bill-may-test-manchin-on-filibuster-rule]Bloomberg[/link] reports.
                 
                Manchin, together with Pennsylvania Republican Pat Toomey, led previous Senate efforts to expand background checks in 2013 following the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School. That bill was blocked by a Republican-led filibuster.

                 

                • kaldridgewv2211

                  Member
                  March 11, 2021 at 5:42 pm

                  This is like a no-nonsense type of issue and I heard a lot of GOP non-sense from the house. Boebert lied about someone getting beat to death in her restaurant parking lot. Makes you wonder what kind of restaurant she runs. It was an OD. Goofy dude was arguing about like bible characters being killed.

                  • btomba_77

                    Member
                    March 13, 2021 at 6:31 am

                    [link=https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1368943858990657536]https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1368943858990657536[/link]

                    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene: GUN CONTROL ALERT

                    HR 8 would create a national gun registry, which we all know is the first step towards mandatory buybacks aka confiscation. HR 1446 would create a nationwide waiting period delaying your access to a gun to defend yourself and your family.

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                    [link=https://twitter.com/AdamKinzinger/status/1370420060028866571]https://twitter.com/AdamKinzinger/status/1370420060028866571[/link]

                    [link=https://twitter.com/AdamKinzinger]Adam Kinzinger[/link]

                    Lie for profit alert. There is absolutely no gun registry or anything like it related to HR8. That is specifically prohibited by law. But the outrage and lie-for-money-train drives full steam ahead.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      May 27, 2022 at 3:53 am

                      [b]After Uvalde, I pray with the grieving  and for bold action on guns[/b][link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/26/uvalde-mass-shooting-prayers-and-gun-control/]

                      Michael Gerson[/link]: Honestly, I dont know how effective any of these three ideas reducing the permissible age for gun sales, strengthening background checks and passing a national red-flag law would be in the prevention of mass shootings. But I know that none of them are remotely unconstitutional.  And I know that a healthy legislative process would pass these laws, closely monitor their effectiveness, consider improvements to strengthen them, and then examine other promising ideas that emerge and pass other legislation.

                      This process would certainly be more useful and humane than [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/25/uvalde-texas-mass-shooting-how-parents-protect-children/?itid=lk_inline_manual_23]placing impossible burdens on parents[/link] (left to consider faddish foolishness such as bulletproof backpacks) and children (subjected to terrifying active-shooter drills in which flashing sneakers are supposed to attract deadly attention). What we face is a public policy problem. It demands originality, boldness and perseverance from legislators. And they are currently being watched and judged.

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                      [h1]Senators Grasp for a Bipartisan Gun Deal[/h1]  
                      After the deadliest school shooting in a decade, a small group of Republican and Democratic senators have begun an urgent and uphill effort to strike a compromise on new gun laws, voicing hope that a wave of collective outrage at the slaughter of 19 children and two teachers could finally conquer a decade of congressional paralysis, the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/26/us/politics/senate-guns-bipartisan-deal.html]New York Times[/link] reports.
                       
                      Members of the bipartisan group emerged from a private meeting on Thursday determined to work quickly to try to reach a deal on modest steps to limit access to guns.
                       

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      May 27, 2022 at 4:32 am

                      My money is on not getting a sufficient number of senators to do anything at all except to express concerned hand-wringing & thoughts & prayers.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      May 27, 2022 at 4:44 am

                      Quote from Frumious

                      My money is on not getting a sufficient number of senators to do anything at all except to express concerned hand-wringing & thoughts & prayers.

                      That’s the best bet.  
                       
                      On the good side though, Mitch McConnell has given his blessing to bipartisan negotiations…. which means he likely sees the GOP as on the wrong end of this issue going in to the mid-terms.
                       
                      Any bill would be *very* weak … but get something if you can get something.
                       
                       
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                      GOP pollsters Frank Luntz with advice for Democrats: Don’t use “Gun Control.” … use “Gun Safety” legislation

  • 861984

    Member
    June 1, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Gun control means using both hands – or in this case maybe tweezers  –  or a knife and fork.
     
    Miss Manners – what is the correct plate to use for this gun??     Where do we put the gun in the table setting?
     
    Have a good weekend!!     TK

    • eyoab2011_711

      Member
      June 7, 2013 at 7:30 pm

      Will Issa hold hearings on the 6 killed in Santa Monica?  Parse the talking points?  Demand accountability?  or will he keep cowed by the NRA and do nothing?  How many more or are the only important deaths occur in Benghazi?

  • btomba_77

    Member
    May 27, 2022 at 10:01 am

    Teagan Goddard:

    [h2][link=https://politicalwire.com/2022/05/27/a-few-thoughts-for-the-end-of-the-week-58/]A Few Thoughts on the Odds of Gun Safety Legislation[/link][/h2]  

    I really didnt want to write about the school massacre in Texas. Its so depressing to see this happen yet again. Like so many of you, my anger is hard to contain.
     
    But in the spirit of Charlie Brown [link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh4JgwstBtE]taking another run at that football[/link], I actually see some hope that there may be a chance for new gun restrictions in Congress.
    Heres why:
    [ul][*]Senate Democrats, led by Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT), are being very practical about a bipartisan compromise. And Republicans sense that if they dont at least negotiate this time, they may risk political backlash. A legislative compromise will likely focus on [link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_law]red flag laws[/link], which has the support of Sens. Marco Rubio (R-FL), Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Rick Scott (R-FL) who signed one after the Parkland massacre when he was governor. Its not going to make a huge difference, but in this age of gridlock, something is better than nothing.[*]Most major legislation these days think the infrastructure bill comes from bipartisan working groups, not from the committee process.[*]Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has blessed the bipartisan negotiations. Thats critical because no bill is possible without McConnells support.[*]Gun violence has surged nationally during the last few years, especially during the pandemic.[*]The NRA is quite simply no longer the political powerhouse it once was. [/ul] Ill admit the arguments against a compromise are very persuasive too, none more so than the idea that passing gun legislation is very unpopular with the Republican base and the election is just months away.
     
    So, Ill probably end up on my back again like Charlie Brown. But I have to at least try to be hopeful to keep my sanity.[/QUOTE]
     

  • btomba_77

    Member
    May 28, 2022 at 3:59 am

    Trump wanted gun legislation …
     
    The [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/27/us/trump-gun-control.html]New York Times[/link] quotes from a conversation between then-President Donald Trump with his acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, after a far-right gunman killed 23 people at a Walmart store in El Paso in 2019.
     
    TRUMP: What are we going to do about assault rifles?
     
    MULVANEY: Not a damn thing.
     
    TRUMP: Why?
     
    MULVANEY: Because, you would lose.
     

  • btomba_77

    Member
    May 28, 2022 at 4:06 am

    We all know they want total gun confiscation, know that this would be a first step. Once they get the first step, theyll take the second step, the third, the fourth, and then youll have a whole different look at the Second Amendment.

    Donald Trump, quoted by the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/27/trump-cruz-nra-speech-uvalde/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=wp_politics]Washington Post[/link], at the NRA convention in Texas.

    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      May 28, 2022 at 4:42 am

      BE AFRAID! is the single Conservative/Republican message. There isnt any more depth to it.

      • satyanar

        Member
        May 28, 2022 at 10:01 am

        Hahaha. The NRA is the only place Trump is welcomed anymore. Priceless.

      • satyanar

        Member
        May 28, 2022 at 10:05 am

        Quote from Frumious

        BE AFRAID! is the single Conservative/Republican message. There isnt any more depth to it.

         
        Because an NRA convention is the perfect place to hear exactly what the “Conservative/Republican message” is.
         
        Give it a rest Frumi. Your message has lost. You cannot connect every conservative/moderate/independent thinker to Trump anymore. Never could but now you sound like a completely out of touch liberal with no ability to think.
         
         
         

        • satyanar

          Member
          May 28, 2022 at 10:21 am

          Like abortion rights, this is another issue where I think we may see the national sentiment change voting behavior. Having Trump and the NRA in bed together is a good sign.

          • adrianoal

            Member
            May 31, 2022 at 12:29 pm

            Quote from Thread Killer

            Like abortion rights, this is another issue where I think we may see the national sentiment change voting behavior. Having Trump and the NRA in bed together is a good sign.

             
            I’m desperately hoping something happens on gun control, but I doubt it will. I get frustrated with the flaws in our health care system (really we can’t achieve universal coverage, like pretty much every other wealthy country??), but this gun crap is just evil. The worst thing about this country.
             
            I read that one statement from the NRA was that it wasn’t the guns that killed people, it was the evil shooter. I can’t believe they said something that ridiculous.  Yes there are evil people, but it’s better if they aren’t well armed, right? Would you have wanted ISIS to have nukes? “hey they nuked the US, darn evil people!; nothing we could have done about it”
             

            • satyanar

              Member
              May 31, 2022 at 12:45 pm

              You and I think alike on many things BHE. 

  • btomba_77

    Member
    May 31, 2022 at 3:38 am

     [link=https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/handguns-liberal-bill-1.6470554]CBC[/link] 

    Trudeau Government introduces bill to limit handguns, pledges to buy back assault-style weapons[/h1]

    New gun control legislation the federal government tabled today includes a national freeze on the purchase, sale, importation and transfer of handguns in Canada.
     
    The government also is pledging to start buying back thousands of banned assault-style weapons before the end of the year.
     
    While the proposal falls short of a full ban on handguns, it would effectively limit their number in Canada.
     
    “In other words, we’re capping the market for handguns,” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told a press conference Monday.
     
    “As we see gun violence continue to rise, it is our duty to keep taking action.”

    [/QUOTE]
     

    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      June 1, 2022 at 5:10 am

      Best thing I’ve read about a small thing to address gun availability, stop making it like buying a Happy Meal at McDonalds.
       
      As for pro-gun people and politicians, don’t blame mental health as the issue while also opposing funding and establishing laws and treatments for mental health. The declaration that at least the murderer had his 2nd Amendment rights intact is not exactly a proud brag. Children aren’t normally sacrificed on the alter of the freedom to own as many guns as you can collect.
       
      [link]https://thedispatch.com/p/after-uvalde-what-now[/link]
      [b][/b]

      [b]A common counterargument you hear when against additional firearm restrictions is that there are hundreds of millions of guns floating around the country, many of them illegal, and people with these strong homicidal urges will find another way to get one of those.[/b]
      [b]
      [/b]
      The stats suggest that in the majority of incidents, the firearms are purchased legally. But thats the majority, its not all. If you asked me, How do we keep guns out of the hands of urban gangs? or How do we keep guns out of the hands of the mafia, or drug traffickers? Id say were not going to be able to do that. Theres too many guns in circulation, and they have black market connectionstheyre professional criminals.
       
      [i][b]But these mass shooters are not professional criminals. They dont have criminal connections, and frankly theyre often extremely socially awkward. In many cases theyre buying guns online, or theyre walking into a store just as awkwardly as they would walk into McDonalds or something. My point is yes, if you make buying a firearm more difficult for people who find it difficult to do anything socially, that makes a difference.[/b][/i] 
       
      Id add to that nationwide [link=https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/child-access-prevention.html]childs access prevention laws[/link], because in some of these cases we have underage people who were able to access firearms from their parents. There was a [link=https://www.insider.com/oxford-school-shooting-gun-apparent-christmas-gift-prosecutor-says-2021-12]case in Michigan last year[/link] where a 15-year-old allegedly received a gun from his parents as a gift. Child access is a problem for the juvenile shooters. When we talk about the exceptions where people didnt get their firearms legally, sometimes its those juvenile shooters who got them in the house. In general, we should look at more liability for parents who are not responsible when it comes to the behavior of their children.
       
      And then I guess I would like to see much more investment in terms of mental health treatment and resources for mental health treatment. The United States has a big suicide problem. It has a mass shooting problem that in terms of frequency is far rarer than its suicide problem. But more counseling, better mental health treatment, behavioral threat assessment teamsthese are things that solve a myriad of problems ranging from suicide to mass shootings to other forms of violence and harm. And this might not be about laws as much, but I would also like to see more pressure on the media to responsibly cover these incidents.

       
       

      • kayla.meyer_144

        Member
        June 3, 2022 at 5:45 am

        Something to remember or realize about only a .223 caliber bullet that is pushed with a large charge for high velocity, the damage to the human body, as designed.
         
        Wonder what all those children looked like after being hit with a .233 round or multiple rounds. Perhaps should publish photos of damage for the; public to see reality now that we no longer have a draft & military service.
         
        People are very ignorant about guns and calibers and the mass casualty damage they can so quickly inflict, especially lightweight guns with high velocity & low recoil & large magazines, a huge advantage & necessity under warfare conditions.
         
        [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/health/parkland-shooting-victims-ar15.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/health/parkland-shooting-victims-ar15.html[/link]
         
        [link=https://www.svtperformance.com/threads/why-you-dont-want-to-get-shot-with-ar15-m16-warning-graphic.620506/]https://www.svtperformance.com/threads/why-you-dont-want-to-get-shot-with-ar15-m16-warning-graphic.620506/[/link]
         
        [link=https://thegunzone.com/bullet-sizes-calibers-and-types/]https://thegunzone.com/bullet-sizes-calibers-and-types/[/link]

        • btomba_77

          Member
          June 4, 2022 at 4:44 am

          [h1]GOP Congressman Quits Race After Backlash Over Gun Stance[/h1] In the wake of deadly mass shootings in Buffalo and Uvalde, Texas, Rep. Chris Jacobs (R-NY), a soft-spoken congressman serving his first full term in the House, stunned fellow Republicans by embracing a federal assault weapons ban and limits on high-capacity magazines, the [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2022%2F06%2F03%2Fnyregion%2Fchris-jacobs-congress-guns.html]New York Times[/link] reports.

          It took only seven days for political forces to catch up with him.

          On Friday, facing intense backlash from party leaders, a potential primary from the state party chairman and a forceful dressing down from Donald Trump Jr., Mr. Jacobs announced that he would abandon his re-election campaign.
           

          • satyanar

            Member
            June 4, 2022 at 10:04 am

            Yep. Why I quit. Must be a terribly discouraging district to live in.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 5, 2022 at 8:00 am

    [link=https://twitter.com/VetVoiceFound/status/1533433465517096961]https://twitter.com/VetVo…us/1533433465517096961[/link]
     
     
    Full-Page Sunday New York Times Ad Urging Media To Be Better On Guns Its not gun control. Its gun safety.

    • satyanar

      Member
      June 5, 2022 at 11:45 am

      Smart

    • ruszja

      Member
      June 5, 2022 at 1:23 pm

      Quote from dergon

      [link=https://twitter.com/VetVoiceFound/status/1533433465517096961]https://twitter.com/VetVo…us/1533433465517096961[/link]

      Full-Page Sunday New York Times Ad Urging Media To Be Better On Guns Its not gun control. Its gun safety.

      Yeah, because if you call something something else long enough eventually people will buy it. At some point killing a growing human being becomes ‘choice’ and war becomes ‘defense’.

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        June 5, 2022 at 1:44 pm

        At some point killing a growing human being becomes ‘choice’ and war becomes ‘defense’.

        Totally agree our thoughts and prayers are with them

        Also we need to outlaw Dr Seuss from schools as they are grooming our children and Arm all those unionized lazy teachers who are ruining our youth

        Totally agree

        • ruszja

          Member
          June 5, 2022 at 1:51 pm

          Quote from Chirorad84

          At some point killing a growing human being becomes ‘choice’ and war becomes ‘defense’.

          Totally agree our thoughts and prayers are with them

          Also we need to outlaw Dr Seuss from schools as they are grooming our children and Arm all those unionized lazy teachers who are ruining our youth

          Totally agree

          Triggered ?

          • Unknown Member

            Deleted User
            June 5, 2022 at 2:21 pm

            Thoughts and prayers

            • satyanar

              Member
              June 5, 2022 at 3:09 pm

              fw, a post like yours is for people that are able to think critically. Most cant. Labels are extremely powerful as a political tool. Journalists and politicians might as well recognize what they are up against.

              The label gun control definitely hampered the ability to convince many that the government was not planning to go door to door and take away their guns.

              Does it seem absurd to talk about it now? Sure. Is it too late for discussion and change to seem like anything but condescending and patronizing? Probably.

              • Unknown Member

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                June 5, 2022 at 3:32 pm

                Actually I think the best thing to do is destroy their idiotic arguments like arming teachers and more guns make you safer

                At least then we can get the majorities so much so that the republicans wont be afraid of being primarried

                Right now we are being ruled by a rural minority

                • satyanar

                  Member
                  June 5, 2022 at 4:02 pm

                  Yep, destroying their idiotic arguments has worked great in this political climate. Its funny and sad; those that think they are so good at it continue to believe its effective, no matter how often they fail in their final goal.
                   
                  The second paragraph is true. That is the goal at this point. 

                  • Unknown Member

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                    June 5, 2022 at 5:04 pm

                    I disagree

                    Pointing out not only the disconnectedness of an argument but the total disingenuousness of certain arguments is necessary when you need to get to about 70%

                    You need to get enough republicans on board to thee Ed point that 10 senators wont be afraid of being primaried

                    Especially since the republicanparty spent 2 years disparaging teachers over COVID restrictions/masks and virtual learning and bullied them calling them groomers and railed againt teachers unions

                    now their solution it arming the teachers ?

                    If the solution is between arming teachers and raising the legal age to purchase and assault sty rifle to 21. Who wins the argument

                    • Unknown Member

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                      June 5, 2022 at 5:07 pm

                      I disagree

                      Pointing out not only the disconnectedness of an argument but the total disingenuousness of certain arguments is necessary when you need to get to about 70%

                      You need to get enough republicans on board to assure 10 republican senators wont be afraid of being primaried

                      Its a winnable argument

                      Especially since the republicanparty spent 2 years disparaging teachers over COVID restrictions/masks and virtual learning and bullied them calling them groomers and railed againt teachers unions

                      now their solution it arming the teachers ?

                      If the solution is between arming teachers and raising the legal age to purchase and assault sty rifle to 21. Who wins the argument

                      You are not going to change the far left or right 25% minds no matter what

                      So why try

                    • Unknown Member

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                      June 5, 2022 at 5:15 pm

                      And there is a total hatred and disdain for teachers by republicans

                      Its a no brainer to exploit the hatred by pointing out the stupidity of the argument

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      June 5, 2022 at 5:34 pm

                      OK. You disagree with me most of the time. Sometimes I believe just because you want to show your superior debating skills in public. Good luck. I want the same thing you do. The specific argument you mention has been won. Even fw won’t challenge the low hanging fruit. It should be pretty straight forward from here.
                       
                      But remember, this is politics we are talking about, and the Republicans have a lot power in the way districts are drawn currently. It’s a shame you don’t recognize how your methods of mockery and ridicule just make you hated by those that might follow your lead.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      June 6, 2022 at 10:25 am

                      Steve Scalese calls Red Flag laws unconstitutional.
                       
                      So much for minimal means of addressing gun availability to known dangerous persons.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      June 6, 2022 at 10:44 am

                      But the most important thing is to say theyre thoughts and prayers are with the victims of shootings- until public opinion blows over

                      And of course the second most important thing is to yell down the other side telling them how dare they politicize the tragedy

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      June 10, 2022 at 3:21 am

                      Interesting from last night’s Jan 6 hearings.
                       
                       
                      The Proud Boys left their guns in their Virginia hotel rooms because of DCs strict gun laws.
                       
                      This likely saved a bunch of lives as the violence escalated.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      June 10, 2022 at 3:45 pm

                      It’s the culture.
                       
                      Suddenly violence isn’t “just” something only in the cities, like opioid addiction, it’s in rural communities. Suddenly people are concerned.
                       
                      [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/violent-crime-rural-america-homicides-pandemic-increase-11654864251?st=5o7r0asx6w4mekk&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink]https://www.wsj.com/artic…ktopwebshare_permalink[/link]

                      [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/murders-in-u-s-cities-were-near-record-highs-in-2021-11641499978?mod=article_inline]Violent crime[/link] isnt just rising in the nations cities. Murder rates across the rural U.S. have soared during the pandemic, data show, bringing the kind of extreme violence long associated with major metropolises to Americas smallest communities.
                       
                      Homicide rates in rural America rose 25% in 2020, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It was the largest rural increase since the agency began tracking such data in 1999. The CDC considers counties rural if they are located outside metropolitan areas defined by the federal government.
                       
                      The rise came close to the 30% spike in homicide rates in metropolitan areas in 2020.
                       
                      The CDC hasnt analyzed 2021 homicide data yet. In some rural counties, murder rates remained high last year, while in others they have begun to recede along with Covid, data from local law-enforcement agencies shows.
                       
                      County sheriffs are trying to hire more deputies. Small-town prosecutors, unaccustomed to handling numerous homicides cases, find themselves overwhelmed with them.
                       
                      In cities, law enforcement and civic leaders have blamed [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-cities-surge-in-shootings-rattles-once-safe-seattle-11646589942?mod=article_inline]the increase in violent crime[/link] on factors such as police pulling back after racial-justice protests, the proliferation of guns, initiatives to release more criminal suspects without bail and a pandemic [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/gang-violence-drives-rise-in-murder-rates-in-some-u-s-cities-11629486712?mod=article_inline]pause in gang-violence prevention programs[/link].
                       
                      In rural counties, where ties between police and locals are often less fraught, officials say the reasons for the rising violence are hard to pinpoint. They speculate that the breakdown of deeply rooted social connections that bind together many small communities, coupled with the stress of the pandemic, played a role.
                       
                      The homicides have been challenging for law enforcement to address. Small numbers of deputies must patrol expansive geographic areas, and the killings were often not connected to each other, making it more difficult to target particular criminal groups or devise effective prevention strategies.
                       
                      Veteran law-enforcement officials said they had never before witnessed the level of violence of the past two years.
                      It was like people lost their ever-lovin minds, said Ms. McCoy, the prosecuting attorney in White County, a dry county in central Arkansas with poultry farms and a Christian university.
                       
                      Flathead Countys Sheriff Heino said rising methamphetamine use and mental-health problems during the pandemic contributed to more erratic behavior and more violent interactions between officers and suspects. Law enforcement in the county was involved in six shootings since May 2020, including four fatal ones. Before then, the last time a Flathead County deputy had killed anyone was 2007.

                       
                       
                       
                       
                       

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      June 11, 2022 at 2:26 pm

                      Crime “hits” rural RED areas. Who is to blame if it can’t be blamed on “soft on crime” Democrats? All the government and officials are Republicans and yet the rural crime wave exists.
                       
                      Will the Republican officials and voters look in the mirror? Will they stop with the simplistic answers of “them Democrats” are at fault?
                       
                      Fat chance.

                      [blockquote]
                      Violent crime isnt just rising in the nations cities. Murder rates across the rural U.S. have soared during the pandemic, data show, bringing the kind of extreme violence long associated with major metropolises to Americas smallest communities.

                      Homicide rates in rural America rose 25% in 2020, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It was the largest rural increase since the agency began tracking such data in 1999.
                      [/blockquote]
                      The individual stories are awful: shootings, stabbings; old victims, young victims; places where a murder happens only once every few years suddenly reporting a half-dozen homicides in a single year.
                       

                      So how do we explain this? None of the things conservatives blame for crime progressive prosecutors, lenient Democratic politicians, police feeling disrespected by racial justice protests, a lack of religious piety are present in these places.
                       

                      If as weve all been told again and again voters are fed up with soft on crime Democrats and are ready to send them a message in Novembers midterm elections, to whom should a message be sent about the rural crime wave? And what should that message be?

                      Im reasonably certain people didnt start mowing pedestrians down with their cars because Democrats are soft on reckless driving. And Id sincerely like to hear what Republicans think of the rural crime wave, both why it has happened and what might be done about it.
                       

                      My guess is that they wouldnt say its a failure of political leadership. After all, in many if not most of the affected rural areas, every public official from the sheriff to the mayor to the county council all the way up to the House member, the senators and the governor is a conservative Republican.

                       

                       

                      But when crime goes up in urban areas, Republicans point the finger at local and national Democrats, saying it must have been their policy choices that produced the crime. Turn on Fox News and youll learn that cities run by Democrats are hellholes of lawbreaking and mayhem, where atomized individuals scurry around in constant fear for their lives.
                       

                      But thats not true; in fact, by some measures New York City is [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/new-york-city-is-a-lot-safer-than-small-town-america/2022/06/07/d5a87e3c-e651-11ec-a422-11bbb91db30b_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_21]one of the safest places[/link] in America. And the states with the highest [link=https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm]homicide rates[/link] are Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri and Arkansas. Although the governor of Louisiana is a conservative Democrat, the rest are run by Republicans; every one has a Republican legislature. Have they failed to bring down crime because they arent tough enough?

                       

                      [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/10/blame-rural-crime-wave/]https://www.washingtonpos…lame-rural-crime-wave/[/link]

      • kayla.meyer_144

        Member
        June 5, 2022 at 1:49 pm

        Like forced pregnancy on a raped girl because the girl’s life and woman’s health comes second to that embryo according to the religious state.
         
        That’s called pro-life.
         
        And once born the state is no longer interested in either lives, they’re on their own. That’s called “not our problem.”
         
        Wonder what the father walking away from any responsibility is called? Freedom? 

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 12, 2022 at 10:03 am

    Breaking …

    [link=https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1536013602846560256]https://twitter.com/Chris…us/1536013602846560256[/link]

    Sen Chris Murphy:

    NEWS: We have a deal. Today a bipartisan group of 20 Senators (10 D and 10 R) is announcing a breakthrough agreement on gun violence – the first in 30 years – that will save lives. I think youll be surprised at the scope of our framework. 1/ Heres what it includes:

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 12, 2022 at 10:06 am

    [h1]Senators Reach Bipartisan Deal on Gun Safety[/h1]  [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/12/us/politics/senator-gun-safety-deal.html]New York Times[/link]: Senate negotiators announced on Sunday they had agreed on a bipartisan outline for a narrow set of gun safety measures with sufficient support to move through the evenly divided chamber, a significant step toward ending a yearslong congressional impasse on the issue.
     
    The plan, endorsed by 10 Republicans and 10 Democrats, would include funding for mental health resources, boosting school safety and grants for states to implement so-called red flag laws that allow authorities to confiscate guns from people deemed to be dangerous. It would also expand the nations background check system to include juvenile records for any prospective gun buyer under the age of 21.
     
    [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/12/senate-gun-deal-framework/]Washington Post[/link]: That indicated that the agreement could have enough GOP support to defeat a filibuster, the Senate supermajority rule that has impeded prior gun legislation.
     

    • Unknown Member

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      June 12, 2022 at 10:52 am

      Something is better than nothing

      But I really dont understand why they cant raise the age to 21 for assault style weapons

      • ruszja

        Member
        June 12, 2022 at 10:56 am

        Quote from Chirorad84

        Something is better than nothing

        But I really dont understand why they cant raise the age to 21 for assault style weapons

        Because the 10 Republicans know that their constituents don’t want that. I am sorry you are disappointed with the democratic form of government.

        Getting juvi records included is a big thing. Right now, the background check system is blind on the 18th birthday. Juvi, school disciplinary records and juvi psych records need to be part of it. If you walk around with a bag of dead cats, burn live turtles or other juvenile psychopath behavior, you shouldn’t be able to buy any gun (or a gallon of gas) until you have shown for 5 or 10 years that this was just a phase.

        And then we need to hold schools feet to the fire about the habit to shuffle dangerous students from school to school while they victimize more students until they eventually kill someone. If the schools are not willing to report dangerous students and there is no mechanism to put the information into the system, no amount of background checking will catch the psychopaths.

        The psycho who killed judge Roll in Tucson was known to be a threat long before he acted.

        • btomba_77

          Member
          June 13, 2022 at 4:14 am

          Quote from Chirorad84

          But I really dont understand why they cant raise the age to 21 for assault style weapons

          But I really dont understand why they cant raise the age to 21 for assault style weapons

          Quote from fw

          Because the 10 Republicans know that their constituents don’t want that. I am sorry you are disappointed with the democratic form of government.

           
          Interesting path to 10 Republican Senators ….

          [h1]The Political Risk for the GOP on Gun Control[/h1]  
          In an indication of the political risks Republicans see in embracing even modest gun safety measures, none of the 10 who endorsed Sundays deal was facing voters this year, the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/12/us/politics/senator-gun-safety-deal.html]New York Times[/link] reports.
           
          [b]The group included four Republican senators who are leaving Congress at the end of the year and five who are not up for re-election for another four years.[/b]
          [b]The only one up in 2024? Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT).[/b]

          Something is better than nothing

          • ruszja

            Member
            June 13, 2022 at 6:12 am

            Quote from dergon

            Something is better than nothing

             
            That’s why it will get scuttled by Nancy Pelosi. If it’s not the absolute maximal gutting of the second amendment her quickly fading mind demands, it can’t possibly be voted on.
            It’s bipartisan, it can’t go anywhere in the house where Nancy has such a bomb-proof mandate to bring about the total transformation of the country.

            • Unknown Member

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              June 13, 2022 at 6:22 am

              Because the 10 Republicans know that their constituents don’t want that. I am sorry you are disappointed with the democratic form of government.

              Disappointed?

              Well thats your term

              But one thing I will bet you in is you will be making the same excuses and the same disingenuous arguments the next an 18 yr old shoots up a school

              And that is disappointing

              But hey you know what you are winning your own little argument with yourself

            • btomba_77

              Member
              June 13, 2022 at 6:41 am

              Quote from fw

              Quote from dergon

              Something is better than nothing

              That’s why it will get scuttled by Nancy Pelosi. 

              I’ll take the other side of that bet.
               
              Pelosi knows she has *very* vulnerable House members who want this.
               
              She’ll gesticulate and complain … but if the Senate actualy passes something with 60, she’ll get it through the House.

              • kayla.meyer_144

                Member
                June 13, 2022 at 6:53 am

                “Scuttling the 2nd Amendment?”
                 
                A fever dream of those who are anti-Pelosi imagining jack-booted Federal thugs confiscating guns. I guarantee Pelosi will never scuttle the 2nd Amendment in her or anyone’s lifetime.
                 
                Bets against me anyone?
                 
                She will also not scuttle this outline of an agreement unless Republicans do it first, at which point it will be moot.

                • Unknown Member

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                  June 13, 2022 at 7:05 am

                  There always has to be an Apples to orangutan arguments

                • btomba_77

                  Member
                  June 13, 2022 at 7:23 am

                  Quote from Frumious

                  She will also not scuttle this outline of an agreement [b]unless Republicans do it first, at which point it will be moot.[/b]

                  which is why i put the caveat *if* the Senate actually passes it.

                  • satyanar

                    Member
                    June 13, 2022 at 8:18 am

                    I must admit I never thought I would see the day when something fw wrote would have me agreeing with Frums, chiro and dergon.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      June 13, 2022 at 8:50 am

                      Thats because this all Bullsheet until reasonable republicans grow a spine

                      Again something is better than nothing but you cant tell me that close 75-80% of the public doesnt want at minimum age raised to 21 for assault weapon purchase

                      Even among gun owners this is a majority issue

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      June 13, 2022 at 9:10 am

                      Well said

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      June 15, 2022 at 1:12 pm

                      Quote from dergon

                      Quote from Frumious

                      She will also not scuttle this outline of an agreement [b]unless Republicans do it first, at which point it will be moot.[/b]

                      which is why i put the caveat *if* the Senate actually passes it.

                       
                      Republicans already backsliding?

                      [link=https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3524894-cornyn-warns-gun-safety-framework-may-have-to-be-slimmed-down/]The Hill[/link]: Sen. John Cornyn warns gun safety framework may have to be slimmed down.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 14, 2022 at 4:34 am

    [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/14/house-democrats-gun-deal-worries-00039347]Politico[/link]: House Democrats ready to accept Senate Gun deal if it can stay intact.

    • Unknown Member

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      June 14, 2022 at 11:03 am

      Dont tell certain posters that

      Heads might explode

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 17, 2022 at 4:15 am

    [link=https://punchbowl.news/archive/6-17-22-punchbowl-news-am/]Punchbowl News[/link]: For the first time since negotiations began last week in the wake of several horrific mass shootings, there are serious doubts that a deal can be reached by Sens. Chris Murphy and John Cornyn, the lead Democratic and GOP negotiators on the package.
     
    Republicans insist Democrats must move in their direction on the so-called boyfriend loophole, a provision that bars domestic abusers from getting guns. Republicans want to make sure claims from long dormant relationships dont impact the ability of someone to buy a gun. Democrats want to broaden the language.
     
    There are also unresolved issues over the red-flag provisions, although senators familiar with the matter believe those can still be closed out.
     
     
     
    [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/17/us/politics/senate-guns-boyfriend-loophole.html]New York Times[/link]: The impasse on the boyfriend loophole has become so sticky that Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas and a crucial player in the talks, said the proposal could be dropped from the package altogether.
     

    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      June 17, 2022 at 5:23 am

      I havent slapped the bitch for a week. Whats the problem?
       
      For those of us with experience with domestic abusers, we all know once they promise it will never happen again, their word is good as gold.
       
      Fools gold.

      • kaldridgewv2211

        Member
        June 17, 2022 at 12:01 pm

        it’s just so damn stupid.  So is there like a abusive boyfriend lobbying interest.  I’m a 2A supporter but some people should definitely have guns.  People that are known to be violent like abusers fall into the basket of deplorables.  If anything they should probably be locked the fudge up.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 22, 2022 at 4:28 am

    [b]Bipartisan Gun Bill Clears Initial Vote in Senate[/b][/h1]  
     
    The Senate on Tuesday cleared the first hurdle to passing a bipartisan measure aimed at keeping firearms out of the hands of dangerous people, agreeing to take up a compromise bill whose enactment would break a yearslong stalemate over federal legislation to address gun violence, the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/21/us/politics/senate-gun-safety-bill.html]New York Times[/link] reports.
     
    While the bill falls short of the sweeping gun control measures Democrats have long demanded, its approval would amount to the most significant action in decades to overhaul the nations gun laws. The 64-to-34 vote came just hours after Republicans and Democrats released the text of the legislation, and after days of feverish negotiations to hammer out its details.
     
    [link=https://punchbowl.news/archive/6-22-22-punchbowl-news-am/]Punchbowl News[/link]: This is the first significant gun control bill to have a real chance of becoming law in nearly three decades. And it signals the extraordinary pressure Congress is under to respond to the horrific wave of gun violence plaguing the nation.

     

    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      June 22, 2022 at 6:04 am

      Good video.
       
      [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/22/opinion/gun-safety-research.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DLDmwYiOMNAo6B_EGKardlIsA60TmHVZpbPaQiTeZ5zqlfI0lpAUGOk6ezpa4kcW8zuJ7hGSQ_xY7MVrQ1tmHgPzC1cLl1gefv707DbWTgWLjVgSYmOF1gocY2cV3-0SYDkbzXUbIggqkI1v0iBJh5QTwSNmLd77SzVUIIaJjRZQrc6wI2R-hdRTrT-Nad4LsBew1YYknUGDI9uS1vrYMBZ65Eefr3PBUie8HhgLsOCWcOLI2hBpc5R4m8hKzMe9b7_5jsQ7GoTgAn9AQL&smid=url-share]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/22/opinion/gun-safety-research.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DLDmwYiOMNAo6B_EGKardlIsA60TmHVZpbPaQiTeZ5zqlfI0lpAUGOk6ezpa4kcW8zuJ7hGSQ_xY7MVrQ1tmHgPzC1cLl1gefv707DbWTgWLjVgSYmOF1gocY2cV3-0SYDkbzXUbIggqkI1v0iBJh5QTwSNmLd77SzVUIIaJjRZQrc6wI2R-hdRTrT-Nad4LsBew1YYknUGDI9uS1vrYMBZ65Eefr3PBUie8HhgLsOCWcOLI2hBpc5R4m8hKzMe9b7_5jsQ7GoTgAn9AQL&smid=url-share[/link]

      • kayla.meyer_144

        Member
        June 23, 2022 at 6:15 am

        God, Jesus & Guns.
         
        Seems so many Christians are actually Old Testament believers & skip over the New Testament & Jesus actual teachings. They know the name Jesus but think hes actually Joshua putting the sword to all those in Jericho.
         
        Jesus as Rambo.
         
        [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/23/opinion/uvalde-evangelicals-guns.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DLDmwZiOMNAo6B_EGKeLRqY9c-mjmFTdlOPbsuT_V21apQIkp2DQm0p5_O0LI0HxIIk6PhFGUnw8CKGrki7T7hamT-Ib0jnbGzsUPDPTHvDbjYhnciOF1g9pp6fQz-jnEJzqfCELF0ycA-ial6fu1yRz8BZCGNvOC5SEktfYXbMWyPr1U-SOpbWjrMnNGD6LhmcA9aCFnOSHMX8n9roZoHe4tRZPCjWkZmLMnugrwRCXhqKpOpBfAyRYvWlLZtud3duHd9THOQDoX2jFgEOyfy7w8&smid=url-share]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/23/opinion/uvalde-evangelicals-guns.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DLDmwZiOMNAo6B_EGKeLRqY9c-mjmFTdlOPbsuT_V21apQIkp2DQm0p5_O0LI0HxIIk6PhFGUnw8CKGrki7T7hamT-Ib0jnbGzsUPDPTHvDbjYhnciOF1g9pp6fQz-jnEJzqfCELF0ycA-ial6fu1yRz8BZCGNvOC5SEktfYXbMWyPr1U-SOpbWjrMnNGD6LhmcA9aCFnOSHMX8n9roZoHe4tRZPCjWkZmLMnugrwRCXhqKpOpBfAyRYvWlLZtud3duHd9THOQDoX2jFgEOyfy7w8&smid=url-share[/link]

        Is our gun problem a God problem?
         
        The AR-15-style rifle used in the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, last month was made by an arms manufacturer that regards selling weapons as part of its Christian mission. 
         
        Daniel Defense, the Georgia company whose gun enabled the slaughter at Robb Elementary School, presents its corporate identity in explicitly religious terms. At the time of the shooting, the companys social media presence included an image of a toddler with a rifle in his lap above the text of Proverbs 22:6 (Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it). For Easter, it posted a photograph of a gun and a cross resting on scriptural passages recounting the Resurrection.
         
        In Florida, Spikes Tactical (the finest AR-15s on the planet) makes a line of [link=https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10153567267228664]Crusader[/link] weapons adorned with a quote from the Psalms. Missouri-based [link=https://cmmg.com/about]CMMG[/link] (the leading manufacturer of AR15 rifles, components and small parts) advertises its employees commitment to meet each and every morning to pray for Gods wisdom in managing the enormous responsibility that comes with this business. And in Colorado, [link=https://www.cornerstonearms.com/company.html]Cornerstone Arms[/link]explains that it is so named because Jesus Christ is the cornerstone of our business, our family and our lives and the Second Amendment to our Constitution is the cornerstone of the freedom we enjoy as American citizens.
         
        For many American Christians, Jesus, guns and the Constitution are stitched together as durably as a Kevlar vest.
        We are in business, we believe, to be a supporter of the Gospel, Daniel Defenses founder, Marty Daniel, told Breitbart News in 2017. And, therefore, a supporter of the Second Amendment.
         
        Entwining faith and firearms this way has a long history. It encompasses the so-called [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/14/guns-christmas-thomas-massie-lauren-boebert/]muscular Christianity[/link] movement that began in England in the 19th century with a focus on physical fitness as a path to spiritual strength and that in America made exemplars of pastors roaming the frontier armed with Bibles and six-shooters.
         
        As interpreted by many evangelicals, the distant deistic creator Thomas Jefferson credited with endowing such rights has become a specific, biblical deity who apparently takes an active interest in the availability of assault rifles.

        gun culture is largely Christian culture. 
         
        The Good Guy With a Gun is a religious myth so powerful it has begun to transform the tradition that bore it. When Representative Lauren Boebert recently [link=https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1536848987361366022?s=20&t=ll_sN88_8inqFhRNPMp-gg]quipped[/link], A lot of the little Twitter trolls, they like to say Oh, Jesus didnt need an AR-15. How many AR-15s do you think Jesus would have had? Well, he didnt have enough to keep his government from killing him, it was a joke meant to deride and dismiss charges of hypocrisy against followers of a man sometimes called the Prince of Peace arming themselves to the hilt. Yet it was also a view into a fascinating religious development currently underway, one shaped by an understanding that bullets could have prevented the sacrifice at the heart of the Christian faith.

        And Jesus shoots the Pharisees dead and walks away into the sunset leaving Jerusalem on his ass.
         
        The End.

        • btomba_77

          Member
          June 23, 2022 at 7:53 am

          Big gun case… tying states hands 6-3 Conservative/Liberal split 
           
          [link=https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/supreme-court-rules-against-new-yorks-gun-permit-law/3083905/?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_DCBrand]https://www.nbcwashington…=SocialFlowTwt_DCBrand[/link]
           
          Supreme Court Overturns New York’s Concealed Carry Gun Permit Law[/h1] The ruling comes amidst calls for tighter gun control following two deadly shootings in Uvalde, Texas, and Buffalo, New York[/h2]  

          • kaldridgewv2211

            Member
            June 23, 2022 at 7:56 am

            middle of 5th avenue 

            • ruszja

              Member
              June 23, 2022 at 10:03 am

              Quote from DICOM_Dan

              middle of 5th avenue 

              Yeah, because that’s exactly what happens in DC, Ohio and any of the other 43 ‘shall issue ‘ jurisdictions.

              Btw. Through corruption and cronyism, the person who made that comment actually held a NYC carry permit.

              • satyanar

                Member
                June 23, 2022 at 10:45 am

                Other than the fact that this is seen as a pro guns decision, Im having a hard time seeing how it will make a material difference in the search for improved gun safety.

                • ruszja

                  Member
                  June 23, 2022 at 10:53 am

                  Quote from Thread Killer

                  Other than the fact that this is seen as a pro guns decision, Im having a hard time seeing how it will make a material difference in the search for improved gun safety.

                  It doesn’t. Neither the Buffalo nor the Uvalde rampage shooting even touch remotely on the question whether the corrupt scheme used by a few states to issue carry permits is constitutional.

                  • Unknown Member

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                    June 23, 2022 at 11:29 am

                    The goal is to have everyone carry so when someone says the word gay you can claim self defense and shoot

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      June 24, 2022 at 4:52 am

                      [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/house-guns-bill-biden-jan6/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=wp_politics] House poised to send gun legislation to Biden in response to mass shootings[/link]

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      June 24, 2022 at 11:25 am

                      House passes gun bill 234-193

                    • Unknown Member

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                      June 24, 2022 at 11:31 am

                      Wait

                      I thought Pepsi wouldnt be able to get it done?

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      June 24, 2022 at 12:11 pm

                      No coke. Pepsi

                    • Unknown Member

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                      June 24, 2022 at 12:35 pm

                      Haha

                      Mean to say

                      I thought Pelosi couldnt get it done

                      Spellcheck

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      June 24, 2022 at 1:51 pm

                      Quote from Chirorad84

                      Haha

                      Mean to say

                      I thought Pelosi couldnt get it done

                      Spellcheck

                       
                      There was only one person I know that bought that argument and it was the person that made it here. Dergon was the first to smartly point out the other side of the bet.
                       
                      That being said it does show Nancy has learned something. Take what you can get and go after more later. Its smart. Holding out for more is not smart.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      June 25, 2022 at 8:02 am

                      [link=https://www.npr.org/2022/06/25/11076…gun-safety-law]https://www.npr.org/2022/…11076…gun-safety-law[/link]

                      Biden has signed the bipartisan gun legislation. It is now law.

                    • ruszja

                      Member
                      June 25, 2022 at 10:22 am

                      Quote from Chirorad84

                      Wait

                      I thought Pepsi wouldnt be able to get it done?

                      I didn’t expect her to go along with a reasonable piece of legislation as it was lacking the kind of cosmetic flim-flam like AWBs and mag size limits that democrats use to jerk off to.

                      The Cornyn bill is a reasonable approach to address the actual problems with the current background check scheme.

                      I guess Nancy realizes that in addition to her mind, her power to push through BS is slipping.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      June 25, 2022 at 10:33 am

                      Well at least we protected 18 yr olds fights to own and assault weapon

                      In the same day we took a womans right to make a decision from her

                      Yay

                    • Unknown Member

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                      June 25, 2022 at 10:34 am

                      Well at least we protected 18 yr olds right to own and assault weapon

                      In the same day we took a womans right to make a decision from her

                      Yay

  • btomba_77

    Member
    July 20, 2022 at 6:36 am

    [link=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11030517/Grieving-mom-blasts-Texas-grand-jury-DECLINING-indict-man-41-shot-killed-girl-9.html]https://www.dailymail.co….hot-killed-girl-9.html[/link]

    Man is robbed at gunpoint an ATM. He retrieves his own gun, chases the robber, fires. He misses and kills a 9-year-old girl instead. A Texas grand jury refuses to indict: the gunman was defending his property.

    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      July 20, 2022 at 6:58 am

      Collateral damage only. Regretful. Thoughts and prayers. Not his fault he shot an SUV that looked guilty & murdered an innocent child while actual robber got away. The very idea that he should be held accountable is silly, the car looked guilty.
       
      Done. Ive done my part with expression of thoughts and prayers. Nothing else need be done.

    • kaldridgewv2211

      Member
      July 20, 2022 at 7:50 am

      Quote from dergon

      [link=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11030517/Grieving-mom-blasts-Texas-grand-jury-DECLINING-indict-man-41-shot-killed-girl-9.html]https://www.dailymail.co….hot-killed-girl-9.html[/link]

      Man is robbed at gunpoint an ATM. He retrieves his own gun, chases the robber, fires. He misses and kills a 9-year-old girl instead. A Texas grand jury refuses to indict: the gunman was defending his property.

      this is nuts.  Even if he didn’t chase the guy down.  You need to be damn sure you’re only shooting the bad guy.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    July 20, 2022 at 8:53 am

    The only thing that stops a 9 year old bystander is a good guy with a gun.

    • ruszja

      Member
      July 20, 2022 at 9:07 am

      Not quite that simple.
       
      [link=https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/tony-earls-attorney-new-details-arlene-alvarez-case/285-31d06c6b-666a-4f63-a737-983a7be173e7]https://www.khou.com/arti…4f63-a737-983a7be173e7[/link]

      • Unknown Member

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        July 20, 2022 at 9:17 am

        Oh yes definitely not that simple

        Not only are they offering thoughts and prayers BUT

        THEY ALSO FEEL BAD

        Yes absolutely not that simple. The feel bad angle definitely makes it not so simple

      • Unknown Member

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        July 20, 2022 at 9:17 am

        Oh yes definitely not that simple

        Not only are they offering thoughts and prayers BUT

        THEY ALSO FEEL BAD

        Yes absolutely not that simple. The feel bad angle definitely makes it not so simple

      • kayla.meyer_144

        Member
        July 20, 2022 at 10:30 am

        Quote from fw

        Not quite that simple.

        [link=https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/tony-earls-attorney-new-details-arlene-alvarez-case/285-31d06c6b-666a-4f63-a737-983a7be173e7]https://www.khou.com/arti…4f63-a737-983a7be173e7[/link]

        I am sorry for Earls and his feeling remorse. But the 1st thing you are taught – or should be taught about hunting and handling a gun is ALWAYS be sure of your target before you aim much less pull the trigger. That’s something Earls seemed to never have learned or he just plain forgot. Something even police think they are immune from doing. Punishment like a prison term might not be the answer for Earls as it would not bring the girl back but Texas legislators and “gun nuts” need to take responsibility for allowing, no encouraging people to have guns and carry without knowing WTF they are doing with that gun. Any old or young fool can get and carry a gun without getting the 1st lesson on how to use it responsibly. Life is not a flucking 1st person shooter video game. Guns are dangerous tools & you don’t give them out willy nilly to every damned fool who wants one. And if you use it improperly, you should have to face some consequences.

        • kaldridgewv2211

          Member
          July 20, 2022 at 10:37 am

          IF you choose to carry a gun you are liable for what you shoot at.  Plain and simple.  If he tried to shoot a criminal but shot a kid he should be subject to any applicable manslaughter or murder charges.   Deciding not to charge this person is an injustice to the community.

          • ruszja

            Member
            July 20, 2022 at 12:15 pm

            Gun control is scoring 8/10 hits on an assailant from 40 yards out.

            • kayla.meyer_144

              Member
              July 20, 2022 at 3:20 pm

              So looks like Earls had good gun control, eh?

  • btomba_77

    Member
    October 3, 2022 at 7:21 am

    [link=http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/~/714232094/0/usatodaycomwashington-topstories~Supreme-Court-turns-away-challenge-to-Trumpera-ban-on-bump-stocks/]Supreme Court turns away challenge to Trump-era ban on bump stocks[/link]

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