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George Floyd
Anyone doing work with medical examiners and can comment on diverging reports from 2 different MDs? Baden (hired by Floyd family) reports asphyxiation, the MD that originally investigated preliminary reported no asphyxiation.
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Anyone doing work with medical examiners and can comment on diverging reports from 2 different MDs? Baden (hired by Floyd family) reports asphyxiation, the MD that originally investigated preliminary reported no asphyxiation.
In my opinion Baden is corrupt and will report whatever the attorney who hires him wants him to say.
Doesn’t really matter as we could watch on video how the cop killed him. He could have died of covid and it wouldn’t make a difference.-
Its pretty apparent he did not die from Natural causes. The Cop was corrupt, had a hx of trouble, and yet, he was still left on the force. Since 1979 all Mayors were with the Democratic Party. Do I blame them? Nope.
That scum bag is a bad evil human PERIOD! He needs to go away or be removed from the planet. Watching the video of him having his Knee on the back of George Floyds neck while his hand was in his pants pocket was to me… spiteful. It was almost like he was poising.
Now he’s on Suicide Watch. Don’t waste your time. He’s going to get shanked and ended while in Jail.
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Absolutely barbaric. Very sad
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Disinformation being spread. Goal to sow confusion about what is true.
[link=https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867137863/none-of-this-is-true-protests-become-fertile-ground-for-online-disinformation]https://www.npr.org/2020/…-online-disinformation[/link]-
Hey little Anti-fa bastards, you know the ones that are wearing identical clothing in all different cities. Not organized huh? Go to this site and see what happens. Shame on you and I hope Karma give you a bad case of Diarrhea. Oh wait… it’ll be Americas fault.
[link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-Prq9wBZlk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-Prq9wBZlk[/link]
Lowest pieces of Sh*t on the planet.
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Its totally organized, I joined one of their chapters a while back via Tor for research with fake identity, they clearly get a ton of funding. People getting branded body armor and stuff.
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Probably Soros and Gates funding them, I’m sure.
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Nahh… Not Bill. Hillary on the other hand… she gave 800k in donations to lateral companies with ties to Antifa. Antifarts have no real leader or… they are to afraid to speak for the cause (without a mask). However, random thugs don’t organize that well unless directed (think Hitler here, almost identical with the brown shirts). I mean talk about your uneducated, full on dumbest people on the planet. They can steal a bag of Nike’s from a foot locker store but can’t seem to fill out a Job application. Watch… Craigslist posting ” New Nike Air Max Shoes, size 11, left feet only” 75$… 1/2 off”
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Antifa “has no leaders.” So they have a storefront or website taking donations? What’s the URL? Where does one mail a check donation? Who are the companies contributing & where do they contribute? Who is the Antifa treasurer? Can I use Traveler’s Cheques to make a donation? Are they registered in Maryland? Or Delaware? Are they IRS “not for profit?”
Oh, I know, all the money goes to that pizza parlor that fronts for Hillary’s child pornography ring that Soros supports. I’ve also heard that child sex ring has an office on Mars for child slaves so Elon must also be involved.
I love this tin foil hat stuff. It really shows you the idiots out there who are willing to believe anything. The nuttier the better.
Do the tin foil hats come in red with the MAGA logo?
QAnon!
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Frumi go out to one of the protests and talk to some of the more violent youngsters (white, or sometimes tech savvy looking latino) there, ask them to get added to their Telegram group.
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Frumi go out to one of the protests and talk to some of the more violent youngsters (white, or sometimes tech savvy looking latino) there, ask them to get added to their Telegram group.
There you can find an .onion link that’s periodically refreshed to get involved more deeply.
Mike Drop Frumi! I think Avocado found the link. He’s better and simple investigation than CNN. Though you are probably correct in some ways. If Hilary can’t keep track of a simple personal Email server, contracted out, with Top Secret emails on it. I would suspect she would not know how to hide a secretive URL as well or even know how to use one. Good knows. smashing a BlackBerry is classified as deleting it in her eyes.
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Oh yes, avocado, “The boy who ran away from the nothingburger.” Yes, cuda, you reference avocado’s posts to your heart’s content.
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I ran away from lockdowns not from the virus. 🙂
If you like sitting at home for 9 months listening to hoodrats looting your neighborhood that’s up to you.
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Where? I’m not doing anything of the sort nor are there any “hoodrats” looting around here.
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My conditioning typically has me looking for ways to understand how police officers can end up in very difficult situations and I would usually be supportive when they were attacked for poor decisions in the heat of the moment. In a sense I still feel that way. However, it is clear that the system is set up to make it nearly impossible to perform well. The peacekeeping goal has been lost and it is left with “how do I control the situation”.
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Where? I’m not doing anything of the sort nor are there any “hoodrats” looting around here.
I’m from SF and it’s been looted heavily in the past few days. My friends are locked in with curfews, and there’s double the number of hobos now. They also intend to keep corona shutdown until election. Very glad I moved out to Wyoming for a bit. Not a single window smashed here, and everything’s been open for a while.Don’t know where you are but I’m glad the protests in your area are peaceful.
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Where? I’m not doing anything of the sort nor are there any “hoodrats” looting around here.
I’m from SF and it’s been looted heavily in the past few days. My friends are locked in with curfews, and there’s double the number of hobos now. They also intend to keep corona shutdown until election. Very glad I moved out to Wyoming for a bit. Not a single window smashed here, and everything’s been open for a while.
Don’t know where you are but I’m glad the protests in your area are peaceful.
Wyoming, America… where you can get and Antelope in the Morning, an Elk in the evening and you can see a Antifa looter 5 miles and way. Plus… if a looter breaks in your home, you can bury them on your property! No one checks.
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Trump loses “The Rock” …
[link=https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/04/dwayne-the-rock-johnson-asks-trump-where-are-you-in-powerful-speech/]Dwayne The Rock Johnson asks Trump: Where are you? in powerful speech [/link]
In the eight-minute-long video posted to his Instagram account, Johnson, a Hayward native, asked, Where are you? Where is our leader? Where are you? Where is our leader at this time? At this time when our country is down on its knees, begging, pleading, hurt, angry, frustrated, in pain, begging and pleading with its arms out just wanting to be heard.
He also slammed the presidents use of military force on peaceful protestors:
There is military force that has been deployed on our own people. Looters, yes. Criminals, absolutely. But on protesters, who are begging and pleading, our protesters who are in pain? You know, you would be surprised how people in pain would respond when you say to them, I care about you. When you say to them, Im listening to you.
How long until he calls Johnson a pathetic loser who is a traitor to all wrestlers?
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Reactionary forces are amassed now and are amassing in force to oppose Johnson’s message of inclusion and equality and peace. Demonstrators and everyone supporting the reasons for the demonstrations need to expect the forceful pushback and keep pushing for change.
As for Johnson’s message about the absence of a leader who does not work for all Americans, that was Trump’s strategy and much of the reason Trump was elected, to represent only his core supporters. And Trump’s lack of leadership is on billboard display for all to see his inability to do the job of President of America. -
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Reactionary forces are amassed now and are amassing in force to oppose Johnson’s message of inclusion and equality and peace. Demonstrators and everyone supporting the reasons for the demonstrations need to expect the forceful pushback and keep pushing for change.
As for Johnson’s message about the absence of a leader who does not work for all Americans, that was Trump’s strategy and much of the reason Trump was elected, to represent only his core supporters. And Trump’s lack of leadership is on billboard display for all to see his inability to do the job of President of America.
Until people tell “black people” the truth and stop with the lies, of course nothing changes. It hasn’t changed for 60+ years for the same reason.
Everyone is equal under law. Not everyone equally commits crime, violent crime, murders, etc.It’s not loving people to lie to them day and and day out. Because you’re in an ivory tower and want more IG likes, that doesn’t make it ok.
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I watched Mr Floyds third funeral today (the guy has more funerals than Reagan). A room full of people who would have crossed the street when they saw him now celebrating him as a saint. Surreal.
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Maybe, but likely no one would have murdered him either. He is now the symbol of police out of control.
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Secret service walks back timeline for taking down White House security fencing.
Was supposed to come down today.
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Elmo joins ANTIFA! Tucker Carlsen identifies the real enemy of America! Not racism but Elmo and Elmo’s dad!
[link=https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-attacks-elmo-anti-racism-message-sesame-street-1509837]https://www.newsweek.com/…-sesame-street-1509837[/link]
Criticizing [link=https://www.newsweek.com/sesame-street-town-hall-cnn-1508946]CNN and [i]Sesame Street[/i]’s joint town hall special[/link] about [link=https://www.newsweek.com/topic/george-floyd]George Floyd[/link] and the ensuing demonstrations against racism, Carlson said it was teaching children that “America is a very bad place, and it’s all your fault.”
Carlson condemned the initiative, angrily declaring: “It’s a children’s show. Got that, Bobby? America is a very bad place and it’s your fault, so no matter what happens, no matter what they do to you when you grow up, you have no right to complain.”
[size=”0″]He added: “That’s the message and it starts very young.”[/size]
I[size=”0″]’m surprised he did not bring up Tinky-winky’s purse.[/size]
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David Dorn was laid to rest today.
No live coverage on the cable channels.
No ‘reverend’ Al.
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Yes, the inversion continues. A criminal high on meth and fentanyl is sainted, while Mr. Dorn is largely ignored. Sad that anyone dies, but the seemingly deteriorating (at least in voice) intelligent can see through the real scam going on here.
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/media/502501-tucker-carlson-sees-big-name-advertisers-bolt-after-his-comments-on-the-blm]Tucker Carlson sees big-name advertisers bolt after comments on Black Lives Matter[/link]
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Even Floyd’s conviction seems to have been a frame-up.
[link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/texas-prosecutor-says-officer-who-arrested-george-floyd-likely-lied-in-2004-case-11592011070]https://www.wsj.com/artic…-2004-case-11592011070[/link]
Houstons top prosecutor has concluded that a scandal-ridden former Houston police officer likely lied when he arrested George Floyd on a minor drug offense for which Mr. Floyd served time in state jail.
The [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/george-floyds-hometown-of-houston-tries-to-unite-through-the-tension-11591178402]Harris County[/link] District Attorney, Kim Ogg, also said that due to her offices examination of Mr. Floyds case it could expand a continuing investigation to examine more arrests made by Gerald Goines, who was charged with murder after a botched drug raid in 2019 in which two people were killed.
Mr. Goineswho also is charged with tampering with a government record by lying to obtain the search warrant that authorized the deadly 2019 raidis the officer who arrested Mr. Floyd in 2004 over what Ms. Ogg described as a one-rock, $10 crack buy. Mr. Goiness criminal case is pending. He has pleaded not guilty.
Ms. Oggs statements suggest that years before Mr. Floyd was killed by a former Minneapolis police officer with a history of complaints on his record, he may have been set up by a Houston officer with a notorious background.
Goines was likely lying in this case, she said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal, pointing to several red flags, including that the deal was very small time and that Mr. Goines was the only police-officer witness. These are not cases that we would take or that we would accept for charges under my administration.
Ms. Oggs office first flagged Mr. Floyds arrest and conviction for review as part of a wider investigation into thousands of cases involving Mr. Goines, who was on the Houston Police Departments narcotics squad.[size=”0″]
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[b]Big Majority Support Black Lives Matter[/b][/h1]
According to a [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/americans-support-black-lives-matter-but-resist-shifts-of-police-funds-or-removal-of-statues-of-confederate-generals-or-presidents-who-were-enslavers/2020/07/21/02d22468-cab0-11ea-91f1-28aca4d833a0_story.html]Washington Post-ABC News poll[/link], a majority of Americans support the Black Lives Matter movement and a record 69% say black people and other minorities are not treated as equal to white people in the criminal justice system.
But the public generally opposes calls to shift some police funding to social services or remove statues of Confederate generals or presidents who enslaved people.
A new [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/majority-of-voters-say-u-s-society-is-racist-as-support-grows-for-black-lives-matter-11595304062?mod=djemalertNEWS]Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll[/link] finds 56% holds the view that American society is racist.
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Those are interesting questions.
I wouldn’t say that American [i]society[/i] is racist at all. Society actually falls over backward to try not to be racist. There are some [i]people[/i] who are racist. Heck there are white people I know that think that the system is racist against them – affirmative action, race-based hiring, etc.
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Everyone is “racist” = have in group preferences or interests. However, only one group isn’t allowed to do this. And we know who they are.
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One of the funniest out there, demonstrating how stupid the woke movements are
[link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G5eEJTtKUw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G5eEJTtKUw[/link]
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Prosecutors Find No Protester Links to Antifa
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U.S. federal prosecutors have produced no evidence linking dozens of people arrested in anti-racism protests in Portland, Oregon, to the antifa or anarchist movements, despite President Trumps assertions they are fueling the unrest, Reuters reports.
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Soros probably isn’t backing marxists for political positions, either, right dergon? Who told you that, Dr. Trotsky?
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[link=https://freebeacon.com/national-security/four-in-five-black-americans-want-same-or-more-cop-presence-in-neighborhood/]https://freebeacon.com/na…sence-in-neighborhood/[/link]
Turns out blacks actually don’t want to die in their own neighborhoods. Who knew?
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[link=https://freebeacon.com/national-security/four-in-five-black-americans-want-same-or-more-cop-presence-in-neighborhood/]https://freebeacon.com/na…sence-in-neighborhood/[/link]
Turns out blacks actually don’t want to die in their own neighborhoods. Who knew?
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[link=https://freebeacon.com/national-security/four-in-five-black-americans-want-same-or-more-cop-presence-in-neighborhood/]https://freebeacon.com/na…sence-in-neighborhood/[/link]
Turns out blacks actually don’t want to die in their own neighborhoods. Who knew?
And 99% would prefer not to be strangled to death if given the choice.
1% does?
Not sure what that has to do with asking about police presence. They aren’t mutually exclusive. Are you suggesting that more police = more strangling deaths? And that since I posted that link I must support more strangling deaths? Interesting viewpoint. -
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1% does?
There are also blacks who vote for president trump, so yes, there are probably some who wish to get strangled to death.
Not sure what that has to do with asking about police presence. They aren’t mutually exclusive. Are you suggesting that more police = more strangling deaths? And that since I posted that link I must support more strangling deaths? Interesting viewpoint.
I am saying whether people want more or less police presence tells you nothing about the kind of police services people (regardless of skin color) want. Pretty universally, people want the police to deal with the riff-raff in their community but dont want people harassed or killed for no good reason. -
Well yeah. I dont think anyone does. My point was that defunding isnt the answer and the majority of people agree.
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“Defunding” is a red herring rabbit hole. Will never happen & the closest is would happen is Camden where everyone got fired & had to re-apply for jobs on “new” police force.
People want police, even Black & Latino people. They don’t want the corruption, the military tactics, the brutality, the disregard of lives where children are shot down, where people are shot down in their own homes and cars by nervous police, where police casually & deliberately kneel on an unarmed person’s neck till they are dead in view of multiple cameras, or place someone in a chokehold till dead in view of recording cameras, the view that all the public is the enemy, the protection of corrupt police.
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Tell that to a lot of the people your party. They have literally said “when I mean defund, I mean defund.” Some are walking it back now but I don’t think they were interpreting it the way you are. Good thing Biden didn’t fall for it.
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Links of Democrat politicians calling for “defunding” and what that means.
& no Daily Caller or Breitbart or Tucker Carlsen, etc links. I don’t drink their KoolAid so theirs will just read as gobblygook to me. -
[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/house/505307-ocasio-cortez-dismisses-proposed-1b-cut-defunding-police-means-defunding]https://thehill.com/homen…police-means-defunding[/link]
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People want honest police who help, who enforce the law, even for themselves.
The Police are honest and hey do help, and they do enforce the law. But if you let those in charge of the police (mayor) not weed out the bad, then you will get a few bad ones. Is that so hard to not to understand? Cops.. Always bad. Rioters / Thugs / Law breakers… Victims of injustice.
How about we focus on honest people who follow the laws and respect those enforcing the law for the betterment of their communities? Allow peaceful protesters to say what they want to say, but arrest, contain, jail and fine those that glorify rioting?
If cops are defunded and there are less on the street to respond, then I feel the Old West mentality will be coming back and perps will start disappearing. Which in my eyes… is a good thing. -
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/house/505307-ocasio-cortez-dismisses-proposed-1b-cut-defunding-police-means-defunding]https://thehill.com/homen…police-means-defunding[/link]
I know Ocasio-Cortez is a favorite ball to kick around, but she is not defining “defund” as eliminate or dismantle police to the point of no police. I cannot find any serious arguments saying eliminating police entirely anywhere. What ‘defund” means is reducing police budgets and using that money to invest directly into communities of color.
DeBlasio talks about reducing $1B from the police’s budget of $6B. That is “defunding” but does not eliminate or dismantle police departments leaving nothing in its wake.
“Defund” does not mean what you seem to think it means.
Here is MarketWatch (owned by Rupert Murdoch family) gives an honest explanation of what “defund” means. ([link]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/marketwatch/)[/link]
[link=https://www.marketwatch.com/story/john-oliver-explains-defund-the-police-and-why-it-doesnt-mean-no-police-2020-06-08]https://www.marketwatch.c…n-no-police-2020-06-08[/link]
The NYPost also a Murdoch paper & blatantly so. Even they do not claim “defunding” is about eliminating and disbanding police nationwide or even locally.
[link=https://nypost.com/2020/06/09/defund-the-police-what-it-really-means-and-how-it-would-work/]https://nypost.com/2020/0…and-how-it-would-work/[/link] -
Shes the voice of the modern democratic party and likely the 2024 or 2028 presidential nominee. Shes not a ball to kick around.
She literally said “defunding the police means defunding the police.”
Its okay to admit that she said it and you disagree with it.
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She represents a minority and gives full authority to Pelosi who in no way supports disbanding police.
And while Ocasio-Cortez repeats, “defund” she never explains it as disbanding and eliminating police entirely. She talks about taking police funds & reinvesting that $ into the community. Your article says nowhere that she is talking about eliminating police. -
However you define defunding is kind of irrelevant. Defunding in any
manner will only hurt the very communities it is supposed to help.
Crime will increase. Businesses will suffer. The wealthy population will
move because they can. The community will be further depressed.
And for the record, police brutality and corruption does not run rampant. There are bad cops but a small percentage just like there are bad MDs. There are better ways to improve policing than defunding. Better training guidelines, accountability, national registry (like docs), less protection by your beloved unions. Be very careful what you wish for. -
I agree with you. Defunding or less funding does not address the fundamental problems we’ve seen with policing in the country.
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Hey look, reparations
[link=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8614105/Chicago-goes-lockdown-bridges-raised-freeway-exits-closed-restrict-access-downtown.html]https://www.dailymail.co….t-access-downtown.html[/link]
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Hey look, reparations
[link=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8614105/Chicago-goes-lockdown-bridges-raised-freeway-exits-closed-restrict-access-downtown.html]https://www.dailymail.co….t-access-downtown.html[/link]
I wonder if the full-throated support of BLM by so many people was a mistake? Who could have foreseen!
I am just fascinated by that person that was appointed to be mayor of chicago. Where did it come from ?
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Soros backed black women marxists in mayor and DA positions is just an accident, right? It’s also an accident that these places continue to fall into 3rd world status, right?
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/538110-lawsuit-alleges-only-white-officers-allowed-to-guard-derek-chauvin-after]Lawsuit alleges only white officers allowed to guard Derek Chauvin after George Floyd’s death[/link]
Several minority officers who worked at the jail that held Derek Chauvin following his arrest over the death of George Floyd last year say in a new lawsuit that only white officers were allowed to guard or interact with Chauvin prior to his release.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/jail-holding-derek-chauvin-enforced-segregation-order-for-guards-lawsuit-alleges/2021/02/09/12fdcc82-6ae4-11eb-9f80-3d7646ce1bc0_story.html]The Washington Post[/link] reported Tuesday that eight officers filed a lawsuit in Minnesota district court alleging that a white senior official at the jail ordered the racial segregation of the unit’s officers, apparently out of an assumption that Black officers would be blamed if something happened to Chauvin while he was in custody.
The official who made the decision, superintendent Steve Lydon, confirmed that he had issued the policy and later rescinded it, claiming that he was concerned that employees of color may have been “traumatized” by Floyd’s death.
Recognizing that the murder of George Floyd was likely to create a particularly acute radicalized trauma, I felt I had an immediate duty to protect and support employees who may have been traumatized and may have heightened ongoing trauma by having to deal with Chauvin, Lydon said, according to the Post.[/QUOTE]
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/538110-lawsuit-alleges-only-white-officers-allowed-to-guard-derek-chauvin-after]Lawsuit alleges only white officers allowed to guard Derek Chauvin after George Floyd’s death[/link]
Several minority officers who worked at the jail that held Derek Chauvin following his arrest over the death of George Floyd last year say in a new lawsuit that only white officers were allowed to guard or interact with Chauvin prior to his release.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/jail-holding-derek-chauvin-enforced-segregation-order-for-guards-lawsuit-alleges/2021/02/09/12fdcc82-6ae4-11eb-9f80-3d7646ce1bc0_story.html]The Washington Post[/link] reported Tuesday that eight officers filed a lawsuit in Minnesota district court alleging that a white senior official at the jail ordered the racial segregation of the unit’s officers, apparently out of an assumption that Black officers would be blamed if something happened to Chauvin while he was in custody.
The official who made the decision, superintendent Steve Lydon, confirmed that he had issued the policy and later rescinded it, claiming that he was concerned that employees of color may have been “traumatized” by Floyd’s death.
Recognizing that the murder of George Floyd was likely to create a particularly acute radicalized trauma, I felt I had an immediate duty to protect and support employees who may have been traumatized and may have heightened ongoing trauma by having to deal with Chauvin, Lydon said, according to the Post.[/QUOTE]
That’s just the normal level of insanity inside of I694. Had they been assigned to guard Chauvin, they would have sued for emotional distress for having to do their job.
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It made me think of the lawsuit in Detroit where hospital management agreed to a patient request that their child not be cared for by any black nurses.
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Minneapolis city council votes to approve funding to hire more police officers.
[link=https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/minneapolis-spend-64m-recruit-police-officers-75875382?cid=clicksource_4380645_3_heads_hero_live_headlines_hed]https://abcnews.go.com/US…ero_live_headlines_hed[/link] -
Prosecution rested. Most analysts think they made a very strong case.
And then this today regarding the defense
[b]Chauvin Defense Expert Destroyed on the Stand[/b]
[link=https://www.nationalreview.com/…troyed-on-the-stand/]https://www.nationalreview.com/…troyed-on-the-stand/[/link]
Andrew C. McCarthy was Assistant United States Attorney for SDNY (and very pro-police) and writes in National review —Some of his testimony was preposterous particularly the claim that if three police officers physically restrain a person prone on an asphalt street for over nine minutes, with his arms cuffed behind his back, with significant parts of the officers body weight pressing down on him, with an officers knees occasionally grinding into his neck and shoulders, and with his needing to press his face onto the street to try to shift into a breathing position, that is not a use of force, but merely a control technique.
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[b]the testimony was an overall disaster for the defense[/b]
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Schleicher blew Brodds testimony to bits. He induced the expert to acknowledge that, according to the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) guidelines to say nothing of common sense physical restraint that renders a detainee unable to move about is a use of force.
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Interesting – During closing defense brings up Maxine Waters comments and judge mentions she may have given the defense a claim during an appeal. I can only imagine what the lefties on here would be posting if Trump said it.
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Luckily the jury was not present for that little piece of lawyering.
Defense setting up grounds for appeal claiming pressure on the jury. Already looking to the appeal.
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Republicans and FOX are going towards the side of Chauvin
Im not understanding the move here by politicizing this
Sometimes its best to just say this is wrong
Sad state of political affairs
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It goes with the “Anglo-Saxon” beliefs. Nothing deep, just superficial.
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Have not been following the trial. Clearly he will not be found innocent but can he be found guilty of a lesser charge that would still result in mass chaos in the community?
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Second degree murder
Third degree murder
ManslaughterAll On the table
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Prosecutors Find No Protester Links to Antifa
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U.S. federal prosecutors have produced no evidence linking dozens of people arrested in anti-racism protests in Portland, Oregon, to the antifa or anarchist movements, despite President Trumps assertions they are fueling the unrest, Reuters reports.
[link=https://gizmodo.com/donald-trump-homeland-security-report-antifa-portland-1849718673]https://gizmodo.com/donal…fa-portland-1849718673[/link][h1]Homeland Security Admits It Tried to Manufacture Fake Terrorists for Trump[/h1] [h2]A new Homeland Security report details orders to connect protesters arrested in Portland to one another in service of the Trump’s imaginary antifa plot.[/h2]
An internal [link=https://www.wyden.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/I&A%20and%20OGC%20Portland%20Reports.pdf]investigative report[/link], made public this month by Sen. Ron Wyden, a Democrat of Oregon, details the findings of DHS lawyers concerning a previously undisclosed effort by Trumps acting secretary of homeland security, Chad Wolf, to amass secret dossiers on Americans in Portland attending anti-racism protests in summer 2020 sparked by the police murder of Minneapolis father George Floyd.
The report describes attempts by top officials to link protesters to an imaginary terrorist plot in an apparent effort to boost Trumps reelection odds, raising concerns now about the ability of a sitting president to co-opt billions of dollars worth of domestic intelligence assets for their own political gain. DHS analysts recounted orders to generate evidence of financial ties between protesters in custody; an effort that, had they not failed, would have seemingly served to legitimize President Trumps false claims about Antifa, an organization that even his most loyal intelligence officers failed to drum up proof ever existed.
The DHS report offers a full accounting of the intelligence activities happening behind the scenes of officers protest containment; twisted efforts, Wyden said, of Trump administration officials promoting baseless conspiracy theories to manufacture of a domestic terrorist threat for the presidents political gain. The report describes the dossiers generated by DHS as having detailed the past whereabouts and the friends and followers of the subjects, as well as their interests up to and including First Amendment speech activity. Intelligence analysts had internally raised concerns about the decision to accuse anyone caught in the streets by default of being an anarchist extremist specifically because sufficient facts were never found to support such a characterization.
Questioned by investigators, the agencys chief intelligence officer acknowledged fielding requests by Wolf and his acting deputy, Ken Cuccinelli, to create dossiers against everyone participating in the Portland protest, regardless of whether theyd been accused of any crime, the report says. That officer, Brian Murphy, then head of the agencys Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A), told interviewers that hed rejected the idea, informing his bosses that he could only look at people who were arrested, and adding that it was something his office had done thousands of times before.
The DHS report, finalized more than a year ago, includes descriptions of orders handed down to senior leadership instructing them to broadly apply the label violent antifa anarchists inspired to Portland protesters unless they had intel showing something different.[/QUOTE]
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Condoleeza Rice joins in the discussion.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/04/condoleezza-rice-moment-confront-race-america/]https://www.washingtonpos…confront-race-america/[/link]
In the wake of [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/26/minneapolis-police-death-custody-fbi/?itid=lk_inline_manual_4]Floyds death[/link], Americans and people [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/george-floyd-police-protests-london-berlin-toronto/2020/05/31/cf4485e8-a357-11ea-898e-b21b9a83f792_story.html?arc404=true&itid=lk_inline_manual_4]around the world[/link] are experiencing shock, grief, outrage a set of emotions that too often are repeated. If the past is a guide, these feelings will fade and we will return to our lives.
But something tells me not this time. Floyds horrific death should be enough to finally move us to positive action.
Yet, any call to action will be empty if it does not move us to individual responsibility. We all have a role to play in moving our country forward, in ensuring that our democracy delivers not just for those who have but also for those who seek and for those in need.
So I ask my fellow Americans: What will each of you do?
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[b]75 Antifa man Fell Harder Than Was Pushed [/b][/h1]
President Trump [link=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270333484528214018]suggested[/link] the 75-year old man [link=https://twitter.com/WBFO/status/1268712530358292484]pushed to the ground[/link] by Buffalo police was actually trying to set them up.
Said Trump: Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up? -
He plucked this right from OAN. You know the real news.
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And the hospital he was brought to is in on the act along with the medical staff.
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After a week of riot, you can barely walk and you start rushing cops for no reason? He had it coming. When you’re a criminal and/or an idiot with police, you get what’s coming. I’m sad to say, this is the lesson, and it’s very rare that these things happen. I think this looney toon was put up to it by others, to try to take advantage of the geriatric state, which makes him even dumber.
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BREAKING NEWS: VERDICT HAS BEEN REACHED, possibly to be read in about an hour.
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Gotta think it’s not good for Chauvin. If it were hung I’d like think they’d have taken more time.
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Gotta think it’s not good for Chauvin. If it were hung I’d like think they’d have taken more time.
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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/maryland-medical-examiner-investigation-chavin-testimony/2021/04/23/61951580-a2ed-11eb-85fc-06664ff4489d_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…6664ff4489d_story.html[/link]
Maryland officials to launch review of cases handled by ex-chief medical examiner who testified in Chauvins defense[/h1]David Fowler, who was Marylands chief medical examiner from 2002 to 2019 {and} served as a key witness for[b] [/b]Chauvin, broke with the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/09/derek-chauvin-trial/#link-NHY77U33FZF27HAKJQ6VLWZ2PA?itid=lk_inline_manual_6]Hennepin County medical examiner[/link], among others, to classify Floyds killing as undetermined and not a homicide. Floyd was seen in viral video gasping for breath while pinned under Chauvins knee. Fowler [link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgWVH_KF8Dk]testified[/link] that the primary cause of Floyds death was cardiac arrhythmia during police restraint due to underlying heart disease. He also said that Floyds drug use and exposure to carbon monoxide from the police car contributed to his death.
The attorney generals push for a review was expedited this week after he became aware of an open letter penned by D.C.s former chief medical examiner Roger Mitchell, which said Fowlers testimony was baseless and revealed obvious bias.The letter called for state and federal investigations into Fowlers medical license along with a review of the states Office of the Chief Medical Examiner during his 17-year tenure.
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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/13/chauvin-trial-expert-maryland-medical-examiner/?itid=lk_readmore_manual_13]Derek Chauvins witnesses include former Maryland medical examiner being sued over chillingly similar case[/link]
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GOP Speaker Claims George Floyds Murder Was Planned –
The keynote speaker at a Minnesota county Republican Partys event told members that George Floyds murder at the hands of police was planned since 2016, the Bemidji Pioneer reports.
This was planned since 2016, folks. This was all organized by a group headquartered in Minnesota called the Freedom Road Socialist Organization. And of course the Chinese planned the pandemic in order to sabotage Trump. The Peoples War (Chinese government) is biological weaponry. The COVID was deliberately spread to this country. It was timed for an election year to destroy your economy, destroy Trump and an even worse purpose.
He also said more than a hundred Democratic members of Congress deserve to be investigated for espionage for working with foreign governments and the communist and Islamic movements.
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[b]Nearly Half of Republicans Say Chauvin Wrongly Convicted[/b][/h1]
A [link=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chauvin-verdict-opinion-poll/]CBS News/YouGov poll[/link] finds 46% of Republican voters believe former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin was wrongly convicted of murdering George Floyd. -
[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/552323-grand-jury-indicts-4-ex-police-officers-in-george-floyds-death]Federal Grand jury indicts 4 ex-police officers in George Floyd’s death
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A federal grand jury has indicted all four former Minneapolis police officers involved with the killing of [link=https://thehill.com/person/george-floyd]George Floyd[/link] last May, including [link=https://thehill.com/person/derek-chauvin]Derek Chauvin[/link], who was convicted on murder and manslaughter charges last month.
The multi-count indictment from the U.S. District Court, District of Minnesota, accuses Chauvin, along with Thomas Lane, J. Kueng and Tou Thao of violating Floyds constitutional rights.
All of the men were charged with failing to administer first aid to Floyd, as Chauvin kneeled on his neck for over nine minutes.Additionally, Chauvin, Kueng and Thao are charged with violating Floyds right to be free from unreasonable seizure and excessive force.
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Elie Honig: Not to be overlooked: a second, separate federal indictment from DOJ charges Chauvin with a [b]separate incident[/b] of using excessive force against a 14 year-old, including holding him down by the throat and hitting him on the head repeatedly with a flashlight.
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[link=https://www.axios.com/derek-chauvin-sentencing-4f286e9d-262a-493a-81e3-701ef7e3f484.html]Judge finds 4 out of 5 aggravated sentencing factors in Chauvin case[/link]
A Minnesota judge on Tuesday sided with state prosecutors who are [link=https://www.axios.com/chauvin-george-floyd-sentence-prosecutors-eac9d70b-8467-4087-9395-884f5de844b6.html]seeking a more severe sentence[/link] against former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, who has been convicted in the murder of George Floyd, according to [link=https://mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12646/Order05112021.pdf]court documents[/link].
Chauvin faces a sentence of between 10 years and 40 years for second-degree murder, though he’s unlikely to receive the maximum sentence due to his lack of criminal record, according to [link=https://apnews.com/article/death-of-george-floyd-6a14adc37fc9205129f7a5c5207aa69e]AP[/link]. A sentencing date has not yet been set.
Hennepin County Judge Peter Cahill agreed with prosecutors that there is evidence to support four of the five aggravating factors that they sought:
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[link]https://youtu.be/mTZ3MMBCAgE[/link]
[b]Mighty Mighty Bosstones: The Killing of Georgia (Part III)[/b]
I still have a dream
Rooted in the American dream
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[link=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-george-floyd-family-meeting-white-house/]https://www.cbsnews.com/n…y-meeting-white-house/[/link]
Biden to meet with George Floyd’s family at the White House
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[h1][b]From “Defund the Police” to “Defend the Police” — GOP Hands Democrats New Line of Attack[/b][/h1]
Republicans often blast Democrats for wanting to defund the police. But Democrats have a new rebuttal: The GOP wont defend the police, [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/17/defund-vs-defend-police-494931]Politico[/link] reports.
In the aftermath of the deadly Jan. 6 Capitol attack, the GOPs love for law enforcement a longtime hallmark of the party is being called into question as some members on the right continue to whitewash the insurrection and even foist blame on the police officers who protected lawmakers that day.
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Chauvin sentenced today: 22.5 years
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Derek Chauvin’s mom doing no favors to his case in her public comments.
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I haven’t read anything by her that is outside a mother’s anguish. Seeing your son convicted of a vile deed is hard to accept, almost as hard as seeing your chid’s fearful slow death/murder on video.
Derek still seems surprised of his conviction which can only underline that policing has to change in its view of the public, its mission and most of all, it’s belief in subdue and control over everything & not evaluating and deescalating a situation. Although Derek had long subdued and controlled the situation when he killed George Floyd. Too similar to too many unnecessary deaths at the hands of the police, like Eric Garner who never got justice.
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/575042-9-ny-firefighters-suspended-over-sharing-of-racist-messages-memes-about]9 NY firefighters suspended over sharing of racist messages about George Floyd[/link]
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[link=https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/us/derek-chauvin-appeal-murder-conviction/index.html]Derek Chauvin appeals his murder conviction in the death of George Floyd
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The 82-page filing lists more than a dozen aspects of the case and trial that Chauvin’s attorney argues tainted the proceedings and rendered them “structurally defective,” including extensive pretrial publicity and protests outside the courthouse, as well as the city’s announcement during jury selection that it would pay a [link=https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/12/us/george-floyd-minneapolis-settlement/index.html]$27 million settlement[/link] to Floyd’s family.
Among the issues Chauvin and his attorney, William Mohrman, are asking the appeals court to review are whether the venue should have been changed, the jury fully sequestered or the trial delayed because of [link=https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/us/us-george-floyd-protests-saturday/index.html]pretrial protests[/link] and media coverage.
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[h2][link=https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3693088-george-floyds-family-considering-legal-action-against-kanye-west/]George Floyds family considering legal action against Ye {Kanye West}[/link][/h2]
The family of [link=https://thehill.com/people/george-floyd/]George Floyd [/link]is considering legal action against Ye over the rappers comments about Floyds death, an attorney for the family said.
Ye, known as [link=https://thehill.com/people/kanye-west/]Kanye West [/link]before legally changing his name, said on the Drink Champs podcast on Sunday that Floyds death was the result of an overdose and not from former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin kneeling on the Black mans neck for more than nine minutes.
I watched the George Floyd documentary that Candace Owens put out, Ye said. One of the things that his two roommates said was they want a tall guy like me, and the day that he died, he said a prayer for eight minutes. They hit him with fentanyl. If you look, the guys knee wasnt even on his neck like that.
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Are the 27mil already spent ?
Sure, Kanye is dumber than a box of rox, but he still has the right to say dumb stuff. Alex Jones accused the parents of the kids of specific criminal conduct, that’s why he was now ordered to pay a billion. Different set of circumstances from Kanye being Kanye and saying dumb sh¡t. He should run for political office somewhere in the south. If Hershel Walker is electable, anyone is.
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Jones lost not because he had no right to invent disinformation conspiracies but because he defaulted by not providing court demanded documents. It is not a free speech issue even as it touches on yelling fire in a crowded theater. It was about defamation.
[link=https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/the-third-rail/63499199ce44df0038d5def2/alex-jones-defamation-verdict-sandy-hook-trial/]https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/the-third-rail/63499199ce44df0038d5def2/alex-jones-defamation-verdict-sandy-hook-trial/[/link]Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, [link=https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1580287254609555456]tweeted to his 1.7 million followers[/link], This isn’t about calculating real damages from Alex Jones. This is about sending a message: If you upset the Regime, they will destroy you, completely and utterly, forever.
Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene [link=https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1580297479337431040?s=20&t=1IQZu7K2XjpIZfAq6dh08A]tweeted to her 1.1 million followers[/link], No matter what you think of Alex Jones all he did was speak words. He was not the one who pulled the trigger. Were his words wrong and did he apologize? Yes. Thats what freedom of speech is. Freedom to speak words. Political persecution must end.
Why? To understand the reflexive defense of Alex Jones, one has to understand the ethos of the new right. It is both aggressively punitive and perpetually aggrieved. It lives to smash its enemies in the mouth and burn down the American establishment. At the same time, the new right claims that its the real victimas if its lies and conspiracies shouldnt carry consequences.
But theres more to the outrage than mere performance. The Jones verdict is a direct threat to the new rights fabrication-industrial complex. The Connecticut trial represented one of a series of high-profile legal assaults on right-wing fabrications.
I know that defamation claims are subject to abuse, and that plaintiffs should have to clear a high evidentiary hurdle before theyre able to hold another person liable for their words.
The plaintiffs in the Jones cases almost certainly would have been able to clear that hurdle, but they didnt have to. [b]The trial court had [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alex-jones-connecticut-trial-latest-not-last-legal-fallout-sandy-hook-rcna47747]issued a default judgment against Jones[/link] after he repeatedly refused to comply with court orders to turn over documents crucial to the plaintiffs case. The trial was thus over damages only, and the jury was charged only with deciding the amount of the families loss.[/b]
Defamation doctrine has always existed side by side with American free-speech jurisprudence. Applied properly, it can and does play a vital role in our American system of ordered liberty. [b]Defamation has never been considered part of the freedom of speech that our Constitution secures. Protection against targeted, harmful falsehoods has [link=https://www.jstor.org/stable/1109121?seq=2#metadata_info_tab_contents]long been a bedrock principle in common law[/link].[/b]It remains to be seen whether the right-wing audience will absorb this truth. In fact, the hysterical response to the Jones verdict suggests that many of the rights leading voices are trying to discredit the legal system in the eyes of their fans. When even the ordinary Americans who served on the Jones jury are decried as part of the Regime, you know that far-right paranoia is reaching a new peak.
No matter what you think of Alex Jones all he did was speak words.
He was not the one who pulled the trigger.
Were his words wrong and did he apologize? Yes.
That’s what freedom of speech is. Freedom to speak words.
Political persecution must end.https://t.co/3X81xOCS9j
— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) October 12, 2022
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[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/07/us/minneapolis-police-sentence-george-floyd.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur]https://www.nytimes.com/2…-nytimes&smtyp=cur[/link]
[b]Former Officer Gets More Than 4 Years in Final Sentencing for Police Killing of George Floyd[/b][/h1]
Tou Thao, who worked for the Minneapolis Police Department, held back bystanders as other officers restrained Mr. Floyd in a way that led to his death.
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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/08/29/denver-george-floyd-protests-settlement/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=wp_main]https://www.washingtonpos…p;utm_campaign=wp_main[/link]
Denver to pay $4.7M settlement over curfew targeting George Floyd protesters[/h1]
Black Lives Matter demonstrators who faced arrests and detentions while protesting the murder of George Floyd in 2020 have won a $4.7 million settlement from Denver.
The Denver City Council[link=https://denvergov.org/files/assets/public/city-council/documents/weeklydocs/agenda.pdf] approved the settlement[/link] of a class-action lawsuit that alleged that hundreds of BLM protesters were unfairly arrested for violating the citys nighttime curfew between May 30 and June 5, 2020, the legal team representing the plaintiffs, Loevy & Loevy, said in a [link=https://twitter.com/LoevyAndLoevy/status/1696293440923799939?s=20]statement[/link] on social media.
The plaintiffs argued that the citys curfew and subsequent arrests targeted BLM protesters, violating their First and 14th Amendment rights. The majority of the protesters were detained for up to two days at the height of the coronavirus pandemic, the firm said.
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BREAKING: The Denver, Colorado City Council just approved a historic $4.72M settlement to over 300 #BlackLivesMatter protestors who were wrongfully arrested and detained for violating an "emergency" curfew while protesting the murder of George Floyd in June 2020. 🧵 pic.twitter.com/RhXKagDvka
— Loevy + Loevy (@LoevyandLoevy) August 28, 2023
