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  • Fauci vs. Atlas

    Posted by saro19 on August 13, 2020 at 11:16 am

    Don’t get me wrong, Scott Atlas is a very smart guy.  I have enjoyed watching his videos over the years. And he has tremendous experience in public policy.  
     
    But I think in regards to COVID, I’m going to have to go with Anthony Fauci.  
     
    Scott Atlas is doing a disservice to the nation.  

    amyelizabethbarrett28_711 replied 1 year, 3 months ago 45 Members · 708 Replies
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  • Unknown Member

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    August 13, 2020 at 11:21 am

    I know I swore off posting on here but this one I couldnt resist

    This is the same Scott Atlas who in the mid 2000s wrote the JACR article about outsourcing of images to India and drawing a parallel of how this was not only inevitable because of what happened to the US Steel But he claimed it was also a good thing for medicine

    I tried searching for that article in the JACR archives but cant find it. Wouldnt be shocked if this tool had it removed

    Perhaps some of the old timers Dalai etc remember this as well

    Anyway Atlas is now a trump coronavirus expert

    • btomba_77

      Member
      August 13, 2020 at 11:56 am

      Scott Atlas has been wrong about every health policy issue he has ever written about.
       
      He’s a Hoover institute tool trying to appear as if he’s a non-biased physician while hes actually a right wing partisan.
       
      If you just assume that everything that comes out of his mouth is some twist of a GOP talking point or agenda item then you’ll have a better understanding of his policy writings.
       
       

      • Unknown Member

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        August 13, 2020 at 12:17 pm

        Agree

        • suman

          Member
          August 13, 2020 at 12:19 pm

          We are outsourcing a lot of our AI image labeling to Indian rads. It works great.

          • Unknown Member

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            August 13, 2020 at 12:33 pm

            What AI company do you work for?

            • suman

              Member
              August 13, 2020 at 12:35 pm

              I’m not going to doxx myself online. However this is a standard practice in pretty much every AI firm. Get large raw training set abroad, use Indian rads to label & adjudicate, and validate on a smaller US dataset to prove you’re better than US board certified rads.

          • Unknown Member

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            August 13, 2020 at 12:34 pm

            what does AI image labeling mean exactly?
             

            • suman

              Member
              August 13, 2020 at 12:40 pm

              Quote from spongiform

              what does AI image labeling mean exactly?

              [link=https://developers.google.com/machine-learning/crash-course/framing/ml-terminology]https://developers.google.com/machine-learning/crash-course/framing/ml-terminology[/link]

              • 22002469

                Member
                August 13, 2020 at 12:45 pm

                I admit I don’t know a ton about Scott Atlas, but he has plenty of youtube videos out there about his thoughts on the COVID pandemic.
                 
                Some of his videos, particularly from early July, are not aging too well.

                • Unknown Member

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                  August 13, 2020 at 7:18 pm

                  He should have stuck to his day job.

  • Unknown Member

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    August 14, 2020 at 6:10 am

    Seems like a bit of a self promoter, but not quite a shyster ….yet.

    • Unknown Member

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      August 14, 2020 at 8:03 am

      Atlas’s statements on the coronavirus situation have nothing to do with anything else he has done in the past. They stand on their own as legit, or not, when analyzed. Watch out for guys like poster 2 that try to distract from the issue, as is usual – because of politics.

      • 22002469

        Member
        August 14, 2020 at 10:52 am

        From March 26th.

        [link=https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/26/widespread-isolation-and-stopping-all-human-intera/]https://amp.washingtontim…ping-all-human-intera/[/link]

        There is massive uncertainty, but using Ioannidis mid-range fatality rate, this virus could cause about 10,000 deaths in the United States overall, overall, a number that would not be extraordinary news in the total of flu-like deaths every season.

        Seems like a pretty run-of-the-mill COVID minimizer. A combination of some rational points mixed in with goalpost shifting, incorrectly stated facts, and right wing talking points.

        After reading and hearing some of his stuff, surprised it took this long for him to be formally introduced.

        • clickpenguin_460

          Member
          August 14, 2020 at 11:39 am

          Yeah, I think my stance is pretty clear but I wouldn’t have said 10,000. 
           
          The data then supported more than that.  It also didn’t support the “millions” that was being thrown around either though which is how myself and others on here even got started with the whole concept of a much lower IFR.
           
          It’s as another said, if you make 9 good points but 1 really bad one, are you invalidated with your other 9? (not saying that’s his ratio, just asking the question in general).

          • 22002469

            Member
            August 14, 2020 at 12:50 pm

            I wouldnt say your other points are invalidated, but I would say that not all points are created equal when assessing someones overall competence.

            If you read a complicated CT and say 9 correct things but botch the biggest and most important finding, thats a problem.

            If youre giving advice about pandemic modeling and how we should respond, being that low about the US death total ( frankly against evidence in his own article) makes you wonder about his general epidemiology and immunology understanding. Or perhaps worse, his political motivations.

            • clickpenguin_460

              Member
              August 14, 2020 at 12:55 pm

              Fair.  So all people who suggested millions of deaths should be also invalidated in everything they say re: covid from now on too?

              • 22002469

                Member
                August 14, 2020 at 1:06 pm

                I didn’t say he should be invalidated against everything he says, just that making a comment like that is a pretty big red flag.
                 
                I think going against clear evidence is the problem, not necessity the number being way off. It’s process, not results. He made a nonsensical comment that didn’t even fit with the data in his own article. I suppose at least he gave a caveat about massive uncertainty, but still unclear why he would pick 10k.
                 
                If anyone said there are definitely going to be millions of deaths, I agree that was too extreme (I never said that). But at one point it was on the table as a reasonable possibility with available evidence. End even with IFR going down, 1 million deaths is not totally impossible if the T cell/partial immunity stuff doesn’t pan out. 
                 
                For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t expect 1 million deaths, I might put the over/under closer to 300-350k for year 1 of COVID. It’s pretty unlikely we will be below 250k by the end of December.  We are already at 225K excess deaths, so if want to talk about true COVID deaths I would probably bump those numbers up 25%. 

              • satyanar

                Member
                August 14, 2020 at 1:07 pm

                No. Only people that miss that low should be. Its fine to miss that high because its for the greater good. Somebody on here called it a white lie

                • clickpenguin_460

                  Member
                  August 14, 2020 at 1:14 pm

                  I’m still waiting for someone to answer me if they think we should be locking down, wearing masks, etc. for influenza every year now.  And if not, why not?

                  • stlmchenry_510

                    Member
                    August 14, 2020 at 1:29 pm

                    Theyre saying likely Covid is not seasonal. Who really knows though. You know, if you like Scott Atlas or if you dont, you know maybe you could try to see this situation for what it is and how it can help usthat is one of our own who is now in a position of power to potentially help out our profession. This radiologist obviously has the decision makers ears and respect regardless of the political partyand as you probably know another thread on these forums bemoans NPs taking over radiology and another complains about slashed reimbursements. Well, maybe someone is trying to help then. I guess well see.

  • stlmchenry_510

    Member
    August 14, 2020 at 1:31 pm

    All of our education and sacrifice should mean something. If people are going to pay us the same as an NPthat is complete BS.

    • satyanar

      Member
      August 14, 2020 at 1:47 pm

      RSFs big quote:

      T cell/partial immunity stuff

      • satyanar

        Member
        August 14, 2020 at 1:49 pm

        CF there are many of us waiting on that answer. Its the one question that there has not been a single attempt on.  Wonder why.

        • clickpenguin_460

          Member
          August 14, 2020 at 2:03 pm

          We all know why.

          • Unknown Member

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            August 14, 2020 at 7:32 pm

            INdeed.

            • Unknown Member

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              August 14, 2020 at 7:38 pm

              Why?

            • 22002469

              Member
              August 14, 2020 at 8:00 pm

              Quote from Castlevania

              INdeed.

              Check other threads for more discussion.
               
              To get back to Atlas, in his article late March he pegged roughly 10k COVID deaths, even though just before he had a reasonable IFR discussion. He talked about IFR not being 3.4%, other studies showing 1%, and then taking a midpoint of Ioannidis’ estimate as a best guess. At the time, that seems to be roughly 0.5% based on the article (actually it turned out to be a surprisingly good estimate with limited data).
               
              Then, Atlas goes on to estimate 10k deaths, which would translate to 2 million infections (0.6% of the US population infected). Plenty of reasonable discussion then throwing out a ridiculously optimistic estimate that doesn’t make any sense, and he provided no explanation how he arrived at it.
               
              I know it’s just one line in an article, but saying something like that really does make you question his understanding and/or motives.  

              • btomba_77

                Member
                August 15, 2020 at 3:35 am

                [b]Fauci Says Tucker Carlson Triggers the Crazies[/b][/h1]  
                Dr. Anthony Fauci took a jab at Tucker Carlson, saying the Fox News hosts frequent attacks on him have led to actual threats, [link=https://www.mediaite.com/news/dr-fauci-takes-aim-at-tucker-carlson-he-triggers-some-of-the-crazies-in-society/]Mediaite[/link] reports.
                Said Fauci: Im not concerned about what he says I think you could say that when he does that, it triggers some of the crazies in society to start threatening me, actually threatening, which actually happens I mean, who would have thought when I was in medical school doing things to save peoples lives, Id have to be going around with a security detail? Thats really ridiculous. 

                _________
                 
                Check one for truthfulness to Fauci. 

                • mpezeshkirad_710

                  Member
                  August 15, 2020 at 4:04 am

                  I watched a few Atlas videos.  I’m glad he’s on the task force now.  I’ve had enough of the lockdowns.

                  • Unknown Member

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                    August 15, 2020 at 8:03 am

                    I’m still waiting for someone to answer me if they think we should be locking down, wearing masks, etc. for influenza every year now. And if not, why not?

                    Because with the CDC and others current IFR estimate of COVID of .065%, the number of deaths in the USA until herd immunity at ~50% would be 1,072 500
                    deaths, without a vaccine.
                    Atlas is out of his area of expertise and over his head.

              • mgmacielendocrino_912

                Member
                August 15, 2020 at 4:09 pm

                10k deaths?!
                Atlas is a clown.  A great neurorad, but a clown, nonetheless.

                • Unknown Member

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                  August 15, 2020 at 5:57 pm

                  Yet Fauci is showing what kind of a bch he is when a real scientist comes on the scene. Fauci has lied about many things in his career, the most recent is the story on HCQ (and omitting Zn and zithro — and all the data). He didn’t save anyone’s life, he never even practiced medicine in the real world. He’s a swamp creature funded by Gates at this point. Period.

                  • 22002469

                    Member
                    August 15, 2020 at 6:01 pm

                    Is that you Scott?

                    • Unknown Member

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                      August 15, 2020 at 6:51 pm

                      Hydroxychloroquine pumpers are automatically disqualified from a reasonable discussion

                    • Unknown Member

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                      August 15, 2020 at 6:51 pm

                      Hydroxychloroquine pumpers are automatically disqualified from a reasonable discussion

                    • Unknown Member

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                      August 17, 2020 at 6:06 pm

                      Quote from Radsoxfan

                      Is that you Scott?

                       
                      I’m not a neuro rad, but I’m pretty good. And like Atlas, I know the scientific method. Unlike Fauci, I don’t lie.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      August 17, 2020 at 7:13 pm

                      Fauci is a liar. Gates and Faucimare criminals. Thats nutcase talk on the web. My ex- barber said that nonsense too. And she is also an anti – vaxer.
                      Some people on this board seem to have read Russian/Chinese/Iranian divisive propaganda and swallowed it hook, lime, and sinker.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      August 17, 2020 at 7:17 pm

                      Fauci is a liar. Gates and Fauci are liars and criminals. Thats nutcase talk on the web. My ex- barber said that nonsense too. And she is also an anti – vaxer.
                      Some people on this board seem to have swallowed the carefully constructed, divisive Russian/Chinese/Iranian propaganda hook, lime, and sinker and are now pawns of the foreign intelligence operation is these countries and other conspiracy shysters like Alex Jones.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      August 17, 2020 at 7:18 pm

                      Fauci is a liar. Gates and Fauci are liars and criminals. Thats nutcase talk on the web. My ex- barber said that nonsense too. And she is also an anti – vaxer.
                      Some people on this board seem to have swallowed the carefully constructed, divisive Russian/Chinese/Iranian propaganda hook, line, and sinker and are now pawns of the foreign intelligence operation od these countries and other conspiracy shysters like Alex Jones….spreading it around like manure.

  • Unknown Member

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    August 15, 2020 at 8:04 am

    In reply to Takayasu
    I’m still waiting for someone to answer me if they think we should be locking down, wearing masks, etc. for influenza every year now. And if not, why not?

    Because with the CDC and others current IFR estimate of COVID of .065%, the number of deaths in the USA until herd immunity at ~50% would be 1,072 500 , without a vaccine.
    Atlas is out of his area of expertise and over his head.

  • Unknown Member

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    August 17, 2020 at 7:19 pm

    Fauci is a liar. Gates and Fauci are liars and criminals. Thats nutcase talk on the web. My ex- barber spouted that nonsense too. And she is also an anti – vaxer.
    Some people on this board seem to have swallowed the carefully constructed, divisive Russian/Chinese/Iranian propaganda hook, line, and sinker and are now bots of the foreign intelligence operation of these countries and other conspiracy shysters like Alex Jones….spreading it around like manure.

    • Unknown Member

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      August 17, 2020 at 7:25 pm

      Funny thing

      Radiologist have gained a lot of respect over the past 10-15 years

      We are held in higher regard by the public and our colleagues than our counterpart radiologist Of past generations of radiologists largely because we are more accessible today and provide rapid 24/7 turnaround

      So now Scott Atlas comes about and just ruins the credibility of every Radiologists out there

      20 years of hard work improving our professions public image out the window because of one whack job

      • mpezeshkirad_710

        Member
        August 17, 2020 at 7:39 pm

        Quote from Chirorad84

        Radiologist have gained a lot of respect over the past 10-15 years

        We are held in higher regard by the public and our colleagues than our counterpart radiologist Of past generations of radiologists largely because we are more accessible today and provide rapid 24/7 turnaround

        I would take the lifestyle and pay of past generations of rads.  Respect doesn’t pay the bills
         
        More accessible and rapid 24/7 turnaround?  Meaning chained to workstations with timers and RVU counters running?
         
        Atlas is awesome.  Fauci cannot retire soon enough
         

        • radiologydiagnose

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          August 28, 2020 at 2:04 pm

          I trained under Scott for 4 years… he’s obviously not an epidemiologist or ID doc, but he is very smart and from my experience, not someone who was prone to hyperbole. He’s obviously approaching these discussions from a policy standpoint and he is a conservative… I also got to spend some time with Fauci when he was a visiting ID professor when I was a medicine resident at Duke and also seemed like a very grounded guy…. There is so much we didn’t know when this started and still don’t know… I think they both have excellent heads on their shoulders and the videos and interviews they have are “biased” by their backgrounds and points of view.  I like listening to what both have to say and take it as additional data points to all the information that is coming our way

          • Unknown Member

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            August 28, 2020 at 2:07 pm

            Atlas is a piece of poop

            • Unknown Member

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              August 28, 2020 at 3:22 pm

              Thank you Tony Filly for a reminder of whats gentlemanly.

          • Unknown Member

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            August 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm

            Quote from Tony Filly

            I trained under Scott for 4 years… he’s obviously not an epidemiologist or ID doc, but he is very smart and from my experience, not someone who was prone to hyperbole. He’s obviously approaching these discussions from a policy standpoint and he is a conservative… I also got to spend some time with Fauci when he was a visiting ID professor when I was a medicine resident at Duke and also seemed like a very grounded guy…. There is so much we didn’t know when this started and still don’t know… I think they both have excellent heads on their shoulders and the videos and interviews they have are “biased” by their backgrounds and points of view.  I like listening to what both have to say and take it as additional data points to all the information that is coming our way

             
            Then why did Fauci and his G men lie about the HIV and which population it infects, involves and affects? Because he is a partisan, through and through. Same reason why he lied about HCQ after writing papers on how effective it is.
             
            Anyone can verify both of these statements of fact.

            • r.stolze_447

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              August 31, 2020 at 6:34 am

              [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-coronavirus-scott-atlas-herd-immunity/2020/08/30/925e68fe-e93b-11ea-970a-64c73a1c2392_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-low_virustrump-7am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-coronavirus-scott-atlas-herd-immunity/2020/08/30/925e68fe-e93b-11ea-970a-64c73a1c2392_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-low_virustrump-7am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans[/link].
               
               

              • Unknown Member

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                September 1, 2020 at 7:33 am

                Quote from TAP

                [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-coronavirus-scott-atlas-herd-immunity/2020/08/30/925e68fe-e93b-11ea-970a-64c73a1c2392_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-low_virustrump-7am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-coronavirus-scott-atlas-herd-immunity/2020/08/30/925e68fe-e93b-11ea-970a-64c73a1c2392_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-low_virustrump-7am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans[/link].

                 
                you all want to tax smokers more, tax obese more for eating crappy foods, control others with masks, etc
                 
                why shouldn’t you force the high risk people to have skin in the game, why do you always take freedom away from others who are responsible?
                 
                This is the main question and the answer why people are sick of the central authorities inane and destructive policies. They protect and encourage bad behavior, at other people’s costs and livelihood.
                 
                Those of us who know what’s going on know precisely why.

        • Unknown Member

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          September 2, 2020 at 10:03 pm

          I think Scott knows a lot about radiology, especially neuroradiology.

        • Unknown Member

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          September 25, 2020 at 6:46 pm

          The drama, it’s not stopping.
           
          [link=https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/24/stanford-researchers-say-they-wont-be-silenced-after-criticizing-trumps-coronavirus-advisor-dr-scott-atlas.html]https://www.cnbc.com/2020…or-dr-scott-atlas.html[/link]
           
          BTW, does Kasowitz ring a bell, anyone?
           

          • ruszja

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            September 25, 2020 at 6:50 pm

            Quote from denizen

            The drama, it’s not stopping.

            [link=https://www.cMornbc.com/2020/09/24/stanford-researchers-say-they-wont-be-silenced-after-criticizing-trumps-coronavirus-advisor-dr-scott-atlas.htm]https://www.cMornbc.com/2…sor-dr-scott-atlas.htm[/link]

            BTW, does Kasowitz ring a bell, anyone?

            To paraphrase a famous retort, a reasonably well known attorney should send a copy of the letter back to Kasowitz with a note attached:

            [I]
            Dear Mr. Kasowitz:

            Attached is a letter that we received on November 19, 1974. I feel that you should be aware that some arsehole is signing your name to stupid letters.[/I]

            • btomba_77

              Member
              September 26, 2020 at 4:10 am

              Quote from fw

              Quote from denizen

              The drama, it’s not stopping.

              [link=https://www.cMornbc.com/2020/09/24/stanford-researchers-say-they-wont-be-silenced-after-criticizing-trumps-coronavirus-advisor-dr-scott-atlas.htm]https://www.cMornbc.com/2…sor-dr-scott-atlas.htm[/link]

              BTW, does Kasowitz ring a bell, anyone?

              To paraphrase a famous retort, a reasonably well known attorney should send a copy of the letter back to Kasowitz with a note attached:

              [i]
              Dear Mr. Kasowitz:

              Attached is a letter that we received on November 19, 1974. I feel that you should be aware that some arsehole is signing your name to stupid letters.[/i]

               
              Kasowitz demands not only a retraction but that they “contact every worldwide media outlet that has responded to it”  [image]https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/image]
               
              threatened  final date for compliance was 9/18
               

              Following the legal threat, a larger group from Stanford University has now signed another letter stating that they will not be intimidated or silenced. 
              We believe that his statements and the advice he has been giving fosters misunderstandings of established science and risks undermining critical public health efforts, reads the letter, which was signed by 105 doctors, scientists, public health experts and faculty members. 
               
              In addition, we are deeply troubled by the legal threats that Dr. Atlas has made against us in an attempt to intimidate and silence us in the midst of a pandemic.

               
              And I thought threatening to sue always worked!!

          • r.stolze_447

            Member
            September 26, 2020 at 5:29 am

            According to wiki, Kasowitz was one of Trump’s personal attorneys up until several years ago and also represents Russian clients with close ties to Putin.  Also represented Bill O’Reilly.  [link]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Kasowitz [/link]

        • praxisvertretung.radiologie_773

          Member
          October 18, 2020 at 4:37 pm

          Fauci is a fraud who has to be fired and jailed immediately.  He is the one who was working on the coronavirus in the US in North Carolina, specifically working on the gain of function for the virus.  He is partially responsible for Covid-19.  After this work was outlawed in the United States, Fauci and others transferred the research to Wuhan, China, where gain of function work continued for several years.  Then the virus was released from the Level 4 bioweapons lab in Wuhan and spread all over the world.  This is how evil Fauci is.
          Atlas on the other hand had nothing to do with the virus work.  He is a level-headed expert who is correct in his approach to opening up the economy.  

          • Unknown Member

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            October 18, 2020 at 5:58 pm

            ^Another person duped by a Russian/Chinese intelligence agency disinformation operations

          • Unknown Member

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            October 18, 2020 at 6:00 pm

            Another person unknowingly duped by a Russian/Chinese intelligence agency disinformation operations.

          • Unknown Member

            Deleted User
            October 18, 2020 at 6:01 pm

            ^
            Another person unknowingly duped by a Russian/Chinese intelligence agency disinformation operations.

            • clickpenguin_460

              Member
              October 18, 2020 at 7:03 pm

              So, not defending Atlas outright here but no one has been able to answer the central tenet of what he is getting at which is this: 
               
              If there is a huge benefit to distancing, mask wearing, etc. then why are the rates of cases and deaths no different in places within the US (the best comparison we have) that have different rules?  Is is that the public is taking it upon themselves in places with fewer rules?  If that’s true then it seems letting people decide is equivalent outcome-wise.  If that’s not the case, then what is?
               
              I’ve mentioned this before but the nearby city to me (top 25 metro area) has strict rules (25% occupancy, virtual school, masks mandatory) and the outer counties do not (in person school 4 days a week, 100% occupancy, volunteer masks).  There is no difference in cases or deaths between these areas and in fact the city has more deaths/capita but I’m willing to concede population density on that if people want to go there – although several of the suburbs have dense “downtowns” and there is a flood of city people going to the suburbs every weekend now.  The city is dead and the suburbs are booming.  Not sure if anyone else is seeing the same thing.
               
              Anyway, Atlas (I think) is trying to say that in practice we aren’t seeing a difference rather than saying that masks don’t work.  Although I could be wrong.  He is correct that most people who have been infected have been wearing masks (something like 70-80% self-reported) but there’s no control group or anything to make that claim meaningful.
               
              I would like to hear the reasons/suggestions why places with few rules don’t have 10x the cases and deaths of those that do if the rules are the “best cure.”

              • sarah.r.huntington

                Member
                October 18, 2020 at 7:38 pm

                Some of this **** is so common sense it’s almost as bad as need a RCT to show jumping out of an airplane without a parachute is going to lead to bad outcomes.
                 
                I can say in my area after restrictions were reduced and people started going to bars again, our COVID rates rose and COVID admissions increased. People being closer together = more chance of being infected.
                 
                As for masks working or not, we’ve been using masks for droplet contact for a long, long time (and they do a good job at stopping droplets). Asian countries that were the epicenter of SARS (Japan, China, Taiwan, Korea) all have widespread use of masks by the populace. If “masks aren’t working” it means people are doing things like constantly taking it off or touching their face. The solution isn’t to say masks don’t work, it’s to educate the populace on how to wear them.
                 

                Anyway, Atlas (I think) is trying to say that in practice we aren’t seeing a difference rather than saying that masks don’t work.  Although I could be wrong.  He is correct that most people who have been infected have been wearing masks (something like 70-80% self-reported) but there’s no control group or anything to make that claim meaningful.

                 
                I’m not going to jump through mental gymnastics to give government officials the benefit of the doubt when they say stuff like “Masks don’t work” or “Coronavirus is a hoax!”. They know the average voter has a 6th grade reading level and has poor health literacy.

              • jennycullmann

                Member
                October 19, 2020 at 11:04 am

                Quote from Cubsfan10

                So, not defending Atlas outright here but no one has been able to answer the central tenet of what he is getting at which is this: 

                If there is a huge benefit to distancing, mask wearing, etc. then why are the rates of cases and deaths no different in places within the US (the best comparison we have) that have different rules?  Is is that the public is taking it upon themselves in places with fewer rules?  If that’s true then it seems letting people decide is equivalent outcome-wise.  If that’s not the case, then what is?

                I’ve mentioned this before but the nearby city to me (top 25 metro area) has strict rules (25% occupancy, virtual school, masks mandatory) and the outer counties do not (in person school 4 days a week, 100% occupancy, volunteer masks).  There is no difference in cases or deaths between these areas and in fact the city has more deaths/capita but I’m willing to concede population density on that if people want to go there – although several of the suburbs have dense “downtowns” and there is a flood of city people going to the suburbs every weekend now.  The city is dead and the suburbs are booming.  Not sure if anyone else is seeing the same thing.

                Anyway, Atlas (I think) is trying to say that in practice we aren’t seeing a difference rather than saying that masks don’t work.  Although I could be wrong.  He is correct that most people who have been infected have been wearing masks (something like 70-80% self-reported) but there’s no control group or anything to make that claim meaningful.

                I would like to hear the reasons/suggestions why places with few rules don’t have 10x the cases and deaths of those that do if the rules are the “best cure.”

                 
                The following posts to yours of course don’t even try to answer your legitimate question = silence is an answer (the correct one).
                 
                What is the claim about Atlas? That he wants more people to die? Is that it Birx? Give me a break. There are countless physicians who are very intelligent that know more about health and disease than both Birx and Fauci, aren’t linked to pharma or vaccine profits, and disagree with them. The odds are far more likely that Birx is compromised than Atlas. In fact, it is the reality.

                • Unknown Member

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                  October 19, 2020 at 12:10 pm

                  Atlas doesnt know squat about pandemics. He is a grandstander out of his area of expertise. Would you trust Fauci or Birks to read your MRI of the brain?

                  • satyanar

                    Member
                    October 19, 2020 at 12:25 pm

                    I previously pointed out that despite being perceived as a hack by many, Atlas had played the politics game well enough to become an adviser to the POTUS. As a republican and senior fellow of the Hoover Institution this was the pinnacle for him.
                     
                    Too bad for him he didn’t recognize what a short ride it would be if he continued to make statements with no clear intention except to suck up to DJT. Many Republican politicians are now starting to recognize the need to distance themselves from the bad orange man. Atlas’s inability to look past his own partisan politics and love of the spotlight will make him part of the carnage as Trump is run over on his way out the door.  IMO that is a waste of an otherwise smart physician.

                    • ruszja

                      Member
                      October 19, 2020 at 12:53 pm

                      Quote from Thread Enhancer

                      I previously pointed out that despite being perceived as a hack by many, Atlas had played the politics game well enough to become an adviser to the POTUS.

                      That IS remarkable given his lack of other qualifications like blond hair and boobs.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      October 19, 2020 at 1:07 pm

                      Quote from fw

                      Quote from Thread Enhancer

                      I previously pointed out that despite being perceived as a hack by many, Atlas had played the politics game well enough to become an adviser to the POTUS.

                      That IS remarkable given his lack of other qualifications like blond hair and boobs.

                       
                       
                       
                      Big tittied blond is just the traditional route to the Trump inner circle.
                       
                      “Sycophantic boot-lick I saw on FoxNews” is the alternate pathway.

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      October 19, 2020 at 1:30 pm

                      You guys are always good for some comic relief. Please keep it up. Not sarcasm…

                  • jennycullmann

                    Member
                    October 19, 2020 at 4:28 pm

                    Quote from vonbraun

                    Atlas doesnt know squat about pandemics. He is a grandstander out of his area of expertise. Would you trust Fauci or Birks to read your MRI of the brain?

                     
                    If you don’t know why this is not a bad analogy, it’s actually not even an analogy, I can hardly begin to have an honest discussion with you.
                     
                    Experts aren’t elected. They are advisers. Public policy is not something that Fauci was ever trained for, nor Birx. Elected officials weigh costs, benefits. Doctors, in America especially, walk conservative chicken shit lines, and especially if they are lefty cowards, put no value on liberty or livelihood, freedom or social connectedness/mental/family health.

                    • afazio.uk_887

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                      October 19, 2020 at 6:19 pm

                      LOL the elected official Trump weighs nothing but how to personally attack others and try to appeal to the worst in people to try to get re-elected. He is not smart enough to actually debate different sides in his mind and come to a rational conclusion.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      October 19, 2020 at 7:12 pm

                      Atlas was a great neuroradiologist, but is is a bumbling political opportunist. His bad advice has helped defeat Donald Trump. I am sure Atlas knew of the infection control plan to keep COVID-19 out of the WH. We know how successful that was. What a poor political operator and medical advisor. He needs to go back to neuroradiology.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      October 19, 2020 at 7:13 pm

                      Atlas wasnt trained for public policy either….well maybe in his own mind.
                      Atlas was a great neuroradiologist, is an opportunist, and a an inept political operator. His advice has helped defeat Donald Trump. I am sure Atlas is proud of his infection control plan to keep COVID-19 out of the WH. What an idiot.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      October 19, 2020 at 7:20 pm

                      Atlas wasnt trained for public policy either….well maybe in his own mind he was.
                      He was a great neuroradiologist, is an opportunist, and a an inept political operator. His advice has helped defeat Donald Trump. I am sure Atlas knew about the infection control plan to keep COVID-19 out of the WH. What a success that was – apparently based on wishful thinking and bizarre denial.

                    • jennycullmann

                      Member
                      October 20, 2020 at 7:54 am

                      Quote from Waduh Dong

                      LOL the elected official Trump weighs nothing but how to personally attack others and try to appeal to the worst in people to try to get re-elected. He is not smart enough to actually debate different sides in his mind and come to a rational conclusion.

                       
                      Ok, sure, and Joe Biden is smarter and makes better decisions. You must love compromised Chinese assets, what a joke.

          • btomba_77

            Member
            October 18, 2020 at 7:02 pm

            Quote from Steele Lion

            Fauci is a fraud who has to be fired and jailed immediately.  He is the one who was working on the coronavirus in the US in North Carolina, specifically working on the gain of function for the virus.  He is partially responsible for Covid-19.  After this work was outlawed in the United States, Fauci and others transferred the research to Wuhan, China, where gain of function work continued for several years.  Then the virus was released from the Level 4 bioweapons lab in Wuhan and spread all over the world.  This is how evil Fauci is.
            Atlas on the other hand had nothing to do with the virus work.  He is a level-headed expert who is correct in his approach to opening up the economy.  

            holy f*ck. 

        • poymd25

          Member
          October 19, 2020 at 7:30 pm

          Atlas showing the typical ignorance of scientific methods exhibited by most “academic” radiologists I’m afraid. You need a well-designed RCT to make such a comment Scotty, science 101. You yanks should physically eject him.  

          • jennycullmann

            Member
            October 20, 2020 at 7:56 am

            Quote from turfwar

            Atlas showing the typical ignorance of scientific methods exhibited by most “academic” radiologists I’m afraid. You need a well-designed RCT to make such a comment Scotty, science 101. You yanks should physically eject him.  

             
            RCT when dealing with public policy, jobs, governance, restrictions, 
             
            are you guys brainless in not understanding how you deal with governance and economies is not “Science”
             
            Do any lefties even know what the scientific method really is, where it can be applied, or do they just know this buzzword?

            • Unknown Member

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              October 20, 2020 at 9:00 am

              Atlas making all radiologist look bad

              The public thinks Radiologist are not real doctors anyway

              Atlas and his whacko Q-Anon conspiracy like stuff just amplified that message

              Nice

              • Unknown Member

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                October 20, 2020 at 12:47 pm

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                • 22002469

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                  October 20, 2020 at 1:12 pm

                  He wants to aggressively protect the vulnerable while opening everything else up completely.  No masks, no restrictions, no concern. Some hand washing and we’re good to go.

                  He has never come up with any rational, sane, plausible plan to accomplish this without hundreds and hundreds of thousands of extra deaths. So embarrassing we even have to listen to him, even more absurd he is running our pandemic response.

                  Maybe if we build an NBA-style bubble in every city and town in the US we could just have everyone over age 55 hide there for while?
                   
                   

        • shelley.bolyardshankle_820

          Member
          November 2, 2020 at 6:07 am

          Fauci is a fraud.  If we counted deaths the same way as Singapore, we’d have 80,000 dead.  Subtract the 50,000 murdered by Democrat governors and that leaves 30K.  As to herd immunity:  That is the ONLY way a pandemic stops, either natural or man-made aka a vaccine.  It has always been that way.  The stupidity and hysteria has been absolutely infuriating.

          • jennycullmann

            Member
            November 2, 2020 at 6:18 am

            Yes, you would think these people slept through medical school and all the other ways you can actually read and follow viruses natural history, pathology, etc.
             
            Unreal. They pay big tomorrow and I will not be classy about it, either.

          • poymd25

            Member
            November 2, 2020 at 6:22 am

            reference for only 80k dead?

            • kayla.meyer_144

              Member
              November 2, 2020 at 6:49 am

              If the real numbers don’t work, make them up. 
               
              Then express exasperation that others don’t see the imaginary numbers.
               
              Alternative facts always prove one right in their beliefs.
               
               

          • obebwamivan_25

            Member
            November 3, 2020 at 6:58 am

            Quote from DocinPA

            Fauci is a fraud.  If we counted deaths the same way as Singapore, we’d have 80,000 dead.  Subtract the 50,000 murdered by Democrat governors and that leaves 30K.  As to herd immunity:  That is the ONLY way a pandemic stops, either natural or man-made aka a vaccine.  It has always been that way.  The stupidity and hysteria has been absolutely infuriating.

            Stupidly sticking my toe in here…
             
            please don’t refer to anyone as a “fraud” when you are using an anonymous name.  That’s just too ironic.
             
            if you disagree with Dr Fauci, fine.  Make your point.
             
            In terms of your numbers, I have no rationale to argue for or against–but I will ask if you view flu numbers the same way? Or car accidents?  If someone is in a car accident and has stage 4 lung CA, do you attribute their death to the car accident or the CA?  I mean, they were going to die anyway, right?
             
            I’m not attempting to fight or insult–I’m actually just trying to parse into statements which I have no answer for, but which lead me to other questions.  Thank you.

            • Unknown Member

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              November 3, 2020 at 7:12 am

              BS. Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Japan have nearly crushed this pandemic in their countries. They are not all miss counting. It was physical distancing, mask, and the culture of doing some thing for the common good over the individual.
              The US and Europe got spanked by the Asian countries regarding pandemic control.

            • Unknown Member

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              November 3, 2020 at 7:13 am

              BS. Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Japan have nearly crushed this pandemic in their countries. They are not all miscounting. It was physical distancing, mask, and the culture of doing some thing for the common good over the individual.
              The US and Europe got spanked by the Asian countries regarding pandemic control.

              • kayla.meyer_144

                Member
                November 3, 2020 at 7:30 am

                Yes they have absolutely. But let’s look at the rationale for why America is better, used by so many AM posters. 
                 
                Americans love freedom while “they” are indoctrinated.
                America is a huge country while they are small.
                America’s population is mixed while “they” are homogeneous.
                Americans love freedom while “they” are Socialists.
                “Their” numbers are fudged down and hidden while ours are artificially inflated for politics and “panic-porn” purposes.
                 
                Did I miss any?

                • suman

                  Member
                  November 3, 2020 at 8:16 am

                  Japan didn’t lock anything down. The virus is still there. People are wearing masks and living normal lives. Tests per capita are 30x fewer compared to the US. Overtesting is a bad idea for this particular virus.

                  • kayla.meyer_144

                    Member
                    November 3, 2020 at 8:35 am

                    Are you trying to make a point?

                    • clickpenguin_460

                      Member
                      November 3, 2020 at 8:46 am

                      We’ve already discussed the reasons why those Asian countries have less deaths and cases.  I’m not sure why we keep coming back to this.  They are not a model for the US.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      November 3, 2020 at 9:40 am

                      Yes, unlike us, they are indoctrinated, small, homogeneous, and socialists.
                       
                      Is that what brings better results?

                    • clickpenguin_460

                      Member
                      November 3, 2020 at 9:47 am

                      lol I’m not going through this again.

        • btomba_77

          Member
          July 23, 2021 at 9:43 am

          [h1][b]Madison Cawthorn Wants to Prosecute Anthony Fauci[/b][/h1]  

          Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-NC) [link=https://americasvoice.news/playlists/just-the-truth/]told Just the News[/link] that he wants to prosecute Dr. Anthony Fauci should Republicans win control of the House in 2022.
           
          Said Cawthorne: Ill tell you when we take the majority back in 2022, Ill make sure consequences are doled out.
           
          He added: We want to prosecute this guy to the full ability of the law. And Ill tell you, to lie to the American people just to get your name in the news, just to get your face on the cover of books, just to get fame and fortune. Ill tell you, Dr. Anthony Fauci does not deserve either fame or fortune.[/QUOTE]
           

          • clickpenguin_460

            Member
            July 23, 2021 at 6:08 pm

            Quote from dergon

            [h1][b]Madison Cawthorn Wants to Prosecute Anthony Fauci[/b][/h1]  

            Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-NC) [link=https://americasvoice.news/playlists/just-the-truth/]told Just the News[/link] that he wants to prosecute Dr. Anthony Fauci should Republicans win control of the House in 2022.

            Said Cawthorne: Ill tell you when we take the majority back in 2022, Ill make sure consequences are doled out.

            He added: We want to prosecute this guy to the full ability of the law. And Ill tell you, to lie to the American people just to get your name in the news, just to get your face on the cover of books, just to get fame and fortune. Ill tell you, Dr. Anthony Fauci does not deserve either fame or fortune.[/QUOTE]

             
            How is that any different from you all wanting to “prosecute” Trump for all of his lies?
             
            Fauci has publicly admitted to lying on several occasions and we know he has lied several other times as well.  In fact, I’m not sure he can do anything based upon actual science anymore as re-iterated by his stance of wanting 3 year olds to wear masks just the other day.
             
            I will say this.  You all have really opened my eyes to just how disgustingly partisan people can be.

            • Unknown Member

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              July 23, 2021 at 11:07 pm

              Quote from Cubsfan10

              Quote from dergon

              [h1][b]Madison Cawthorn Wants to Prosecute Anthony Fauci[/b][/h1]  

              Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-NC) [link=https://americasvoice.news/playlists/just-the-truth/]told Just the News[/link] that he wants to prosecute Dr. Anthony Fauci should Republicans win control of the House in 2022.

              Said Cawthorne: Ill tell you when we take the majority back in 2022, Ill make sure consequences are doled out.

              He added: We want to prosecute this guy to the full ability of the law. And Ill tell you, to lie to the American people just to get your name in the news, just to get your face on the cover of books, just to get fame and fortune. Ill tell you, Dr. Anthony Fauci does not deserve either fame or fortune.[/QUOTE]

              How is that any different from you all wanting to “prosecute” Trump for all of his lies?

              Fauci has publicly admitted to lying on several occasions and we know he has lied several other times as well.  In fact, I’m not sure he can do anything based upon actual science anymore as re-iterated by his stance of wanting 3 year olds to wear masks just the other day.

              I will say this.  You all have really opened my eyes to just how disgustingly partisan people can be.

               
              The fun part?  What Fauci says no longer matters.
               
              The people who are on one side have and will always do what he says: nothing changes.
               
              The people on the other side simply ignore whatever he says.  
               
              Disciples/worshippers and people who don’t care.  He cannot change the minds of either side.

              • btomba_77

                Member
                July 24, 2021 at 2:54 am

                I don’t want to prosecute Trump for his lies.
                 
                I think Trump should be prosecuted by the federal government if he committed a significant crime (and by state government if he committed state level felonies)   … that’s what we have investigations for.
                 
                 
                Trump’s lies are not the criminal part. (Unless it turns he lied under oath or to Congress/ Federal investigators. …. but we have no evidence of that)
                 
                 
                I believe that Trump should be [b]judged harshly[/b] for his lies and for his overall management of the pandemic.   But that’s not  the criminal part.
                 
                 

                • clickpenguin_460

                  Member
                  July 24, 2021 at 6:50 am

                  Quote from dergon

                  I don’t want to prosecute Trump for his lies.

                  I think Trump should be prosecuted by the federal government if he committed a significant crime (and by state government if he committed state level felonies)   … that’s what we have investigations for.

                  Trump’s lies are not the criminal part. (Unless it turns he lied under oath or to Congress/ Federal investigators. …. but we have no evidence of that)

                  I believe that Trump should be [b]judged harshly[/b] for his lies and for his overall management of the pandemic.   But that’s not  the criminal part.

                   
                  He was judged harshly and he lost.
                   
                  Where’s Fauci’s judgment for his lies?

                  • Unknown Member

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                    July 24, 2021 at 7:00 am

                    WTF are you talking about?

                    • clickpenguin_460

                      Member
                      July 24, 2021 at 8:34 am

                      Quote from kpack123

                      WTF are you talking about?

                       
                      Can you read?

        • btomba_77

          Member
          December 27, 2021 at 7:41 am

          Despite the coordinated attacks and constant attempts at villainization from the right over the last year+, new [link=https://news.gallup.com/poll/358373/justice-roberts-tops-federal-leaders-americans-approval.aspx]Gallup[/link] poll has Anthony Fauci as one of only 3 US public officials with majority positive approval by Americans.

          (Chief Justice John Roberts #1 at 60% approval with Fed Chair Powell at 53% and Fauci at 52% … Tony Blinken and Merrick Garland are “above water” at 49%.    Mitch McConnell at the bottom at 34% )

          • clickpenguin_460

            Member
            December 27, 2021 at 8:11 am

            52% is not a “win” for someone who is supposed to be an apolitical scientist leading our pandemic guidance.

            He probably was once a good scientist and man but that time has gone. He needs to retire so someone fresh and untainted by lies, flip flops, and harmful hyperbole can take over.

            • Unknown Member

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              December 27, 2021 at 11:39 pm

              What lies, flip flops ad harmful hyperbole? Never heard of any such thing from anybody.

      • Unknown Member

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        August 17, 2020 at 11:08 pm

        Quote from Chirorad84

        Funny thing

        Radiologist have gained a lot of respect over the past 10-15 years

        We are held in higher regard by the public and our colleagues than our counterpart radiologist Of past generations of radiologists largely because we are more accessible today and provide rapid 24/7 turnaround

        So now Scott Atlas comes about and just ruins the credibility of every Radiologists out there

        20 years of hard work improving our professions public image out the window because of one whack job

         
        I agree that the respect of our profession has improved A LOT in the last decade. 
        In addition to being accessible and rapid turn around, the imaging has reached its maturity to the point that a lot of diagnosis is made mostly or solely based on imaging. Also the imaging studies have become more complex and the clinicians feel the need for a radiology report instead of just looking at the images. For example, compare CTA chest for PE which has become a common order from ER and the report is out within 30 minutes to CXR 40 years ago that the report was out after 24-48 hours and anyway the used to feel more comfortable taking action based on their own interpretation of a CXR. 
         
         

        • Unknown Member

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          August 18, 2020 at 5:15 pm

          Atlas is a little man whos way over his head trying to play politics. Stick with your day job, nino.

  • carlosadube

    Member
    August 31, 2020 at 12:32 pm

     [ … Then why did Fauci and his G men lie about the HIV and which population it infects, involves and affects? Because he is a partisan, through and through. Same reason why he lied about HCQ after writing papers on how effective it is.

    Anyone can verify both of these statements of fact.]  
    [/quote]
     
    You mean this? [link=https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/19/fact-check-fauci-did-not-approve-hydroxychloroquine-cure-2005/5559347002/]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/19/fact-check-fauci-did-not-approve-hydroxychloroquine-cure-2005/5559347002/[/link]
     
    yeah I think you might be mistaken .. BTW you are making some pretty bold but general assertions … yet you place the “burden of proof” on others to “prove you wrong” … meaning those who disagree with you have prove a negative which is pretty hard to do .. why don’t you back up YOUR assertions with some proof .. I’m just trying to keep it real
     

    • Unknown Member

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      August 31, 2020 at 3:14 pm

      Quote from FlyNavy

       [ … Then why did Fauci and his G men lie about the HIV and which population it infects, involves and affects? Because he is a partisan, through and through. Same reason why he lied about HCQ after writing papers on how effective it is.

      Anyone can verify both of these statements of fact.]  

      You mean this? [link=https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/19/fact-check-fauci-did-not-approve-hydroxychloroquine-cure-2005/5559347002/]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/19/fact-check-fauci-did-not-approve-hydroxychloroquine-cure-2005/5559347002/[/link]

      yeah I think you might be mistaken .. BTW you are making some pretty bold but general assertions … yet you place the “burden of proof” on others to “prove you wrong” … meaning those who disagree with you have prove a negative which is pretty hard to do .. why don’t you back up YOUR assertions with some proof .. I’m just trying to keep it real

      Amen.
      Fauci for president. 

      • ruszja

        Member
        August 31, 2020 at 3:39 pm

        That type of in-vitro data is what motivated entities like the WHO and the NHS to include HCQ into their therapy trials.

        Dailywire seems to have a direct connection into some people’s brains. No filter, direct input.

    • Unknown Member

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      September 1, 2020 at 7:28 am

      Quote from FlyNavy

      Then why did Fauci and his G men lie about the HIV and which population it infects, involves and affects? Because he is a partisan, through and through. Same reason why he lied about HCQ after writing papers on how effective it is.

      Anyone can verify both of these statements of fact.

      You mean this? [link=https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/19/fact-check-fauci-did-not-approve-hydroxychloroquine-cure-2005/5559347002/]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/19/fact-check-fauci-did-not-approve-hydroxychloroquine-cure-2005/5559347002/[/link]

      yeah I think you might be mistaken .. BTW you are making some pretty bold but general assertions … yet you place the “burden of proof” on others to “prove you wrong” … meaning those who disagree with you have prove a negative which is pretty hard to do .. why don’t you back up YOUR assertions with some proof .. I’m just trying to keep it real

       
      Go to any Fauci interview in the 1980s and he tells the same lie that has been persistent for years – for political reasons – that populations outside of gays and IV drug users are susceptible to HIV. They aren’t, that’s been a political lie and propaganda from a changed, (hyper?)sexualized America.
       
      The CQ study from Virology is the origin of the idea that Fauci knew about Chloroquine being effective against SARS ([link=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/),]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih….articles/PMC1232869/),[/link] since the NIH publishes the Virology Journal.
       
      ALL HCQ studies, regardless of the standard of efficacy, have shown positive results in test population. Some lack power, which is hard to produce in these types of studies. But he has never admitted that there is no evidence that is against HCQ, in fact, all data shows that it is overwhelmingly positive – here and in Europe.
       
      You don’t have to prove a negative, I am bringing up factual points that (on a factual basis) are falsifiable. Anthony Fauci should not be trusted for many other reasons even, these are just a few of them.

      • carlosadube

        Member
        September 1, 2020 at 7:52 am

         [..Go to any Fauci interview in the 1980s and he tells the same lie that has been persistent for years – for political reasons – that populations outside of gays and IV drug users are susceptible to HIV. They aren’t, that’s been a political lie and propaganda from a changed, (hyper?)sexualized America. ]
         
        Say what!?  You believe heterosexuals who don’t use IV drugs are not susceptible to HIV??  Say what??  Are you a Doctor???
         
        [link=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516312/#:~:text=The%20rate%20of%20diagnosis%20of,108)%2C%20or%200.1%25.]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516312/#:~:text=The%20rate%20of%20diagnosis%20of,108)%2C%20or%200.1%25.[/link]

      • ruszja

        Member
        September 1, 2020 at 8:09 am

        Quote from Castlevania

        Go to any Fauci interview in the 1980s and he tells the same lie that has been persistent for years – for political reasons – that populations outside of gays and IV drug users are susceptible to HIV. They aren’t, that’s been a political lie and propaganda from a changed, (hyper?)sexualized America.

         
        Say what ?
         

        ALL HCQ studies, regardless of the standard of efficacy, have shown positive results in test population. Some lack power, which is hard to produce in these types of studies. But he has never admitted that there is no evidence that is against HCQ, in fact, all data shows that it is overwhelmingly positive – here and in Europe.

         
        Cite those studies.

        • kayla.meyer_144

          Member
          September 1, 2020 at 8:28 am

          Anyone trying to have a legitimate discussion w cigar/Castlevania is wasting their time for several reasons starting with his nonsense about HIV and Fauci. You might as well argue the Earth is actually round.

          • Unknown Member

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            September 1, 2020 at 11:55 am

            I blocked castlevania a long time ago.

            • alvin_wan

              Member
              September 1, 2020 at 12:15 pm

              ditto

        • Unknown Member

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          September 2, 2020 at 1:20 pm

          Quote from fw

          ALL HCQ studies, regardless of the standard of efficacy, have shown positive results in test population. Some lack power, which is hard to produce in these types of studies. But he has never admitted that there is no evidence that is against HCQ, in fact, all data shows that it is overwhelmingly positive – here and in Europe.

          Cite those studies.

          If you are serious I will, the others on here are all name callers.

  • julie.young_645

    Member
    September 1, 2020 at 12:18 pm

    Quote from Castlevania

    Those of us who know what’s going on know precisely why.

     
    You won’t find a more textbook demonstration of paranoia anywhere. Can we call the local authorities before the gentleman harms himself or others?

    • Unknown Member

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      September 1, 2020 at 1:43 pm

      As Ive said before

      Aunt Minnie has a small group of Q-Anon posters

      Castlevania and is 9-10 aliases (half of which are currently banned) fit that Bill

      • Unknown Member

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        September 1, 2020 at 5:58 pm

        Uh yes, populations outside,of gays are susceptible to HIV aids.
        People are swallowing hook line and sinker these Russian/Chinese/Iranian click bait conspiracy theories on the web. Its bizarre.

        • Unknown Member

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          September 2, 2020 at 7:31 am

          Just to keep it simple. Anyone with insight or common sense can tell Dr. Fauci is a righteous dude. His credentials are impeccable. We need more Dr. Fauci’s in this world.

          • 22002469

            Member
            September 2, 2020 at 9:37 am

            [link=https://twitter.com/LukeMessac/status/1283812316409192448?s=20]https://twitter.com/LukeM…83812316409192448?s=20[/link]
             
            I enjoyed this tweet, he is obviously a good dude. No one is infallible but the anti-Fauci stuff really does reveal more about someone’s own character than his. 

            • clickpenguin_460

              Member
              September 2, 2020 at 9:44 am

              I think they are both highly educated and qualified.  They just have different views on what they think is best like those of us on here.

              • Unknown Member

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                September 2, 2020 at 9:46 am

                Ones an epidemiologist

                One is a Hoover institution member who used to be a neuroradiologist

                • Unknown Member

                  Deleted User
                  September 2, 2020 at 9:49 am

                  They are both highly educated but both are FOS. 

                  Don’t give them too much credit.  

                • clickpenguin_460

                  Member
                  September 2, 2020 at 9:49 am

                  Yes, so they both have limitations.  Thank you for pointing that out.

                  • 22002469

                    Member
                    September 2, 2020 at 10:49 am

                    Both are well trained, albeit in very different things.
                     
                    Both have a lot of experience, albeit in very different things.
                     
                    One is notably and without question very partisan.
                     
                    If you knew nothing about the names of the people or their opinions, there is unquestionably one who you would listen to in this situation.
                     
                    Of course, now that we know their names/opinions and have our partisan walls up (plus our own limited opinions), people unfortunately will pick sides.
                     
                    I’ll stick with Fauci.

    • Unknown Member

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      September 2, 2020 at 1:15 pm

      Quote from DoctorDalai

      Quote from Castlevania

      Those of us who know what’s going on know precisely why.

      You won’t find a more textbook demonstration of paranoia anywhere. Can we call the local authorities before the gentleman harms himself or others?

       
      You, my friend, went from reasonable conservative to resident fearmonger.
       
      Don’t talk about others being a danger, you’re the fear porn instigator think you and your son are all noble — while telling others to lick patients. You are the ultimate in paranoia, and you had a fine run of virtue signalling too which is wacky. You probably tell teachers (only in the US, the world doesn’t do it) to not work either.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    September 2, 2020 at 10:53 am

    Quote from DoctorDalai

    Quote from Castlevania

    Those of us who know what’s going on know precisely why.

    You won’t find a more textbook demonstration of paranoia anywhere. Can we call the local authorities before the gentleman harms himself or others?

     
    WWG1WGA

    • julie.young_645

      Member
      September 2, 2020 at 11:42 am

      For the uneducated…
       
      Where We Go One, We Go All…From QAnon…

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        September 2, 2020 at 1:18 pm

        Quote from DoctorDalai

        For the uneducated…

        Where We Go One, We Go All…From QAnon…

         
        If you are making an accusation, just say it. No need to speak in riddles about your coronavirus paranoia. You probably wear a bandana to work and think you are doing others a favor, lol
         
        You’re such a good person, aren’t you. tikkun olam
         
        Talk to Dennis Prager, at least he’s honest – you might learn something about your own religious zealotry here, too (that has nothing to do with God)

        • Unknown Member

          Deleted User
          September 2, 2020 at 3:52 pm

          Quote from Castlevania

          Quote from DoctorDalai

          For the uneducated…

          Where We Go One, We Go All…From QAnon…

          If you are making an accusation, just say it. No need to speak in riddles about your coronavirus paranoia. You probably wear a bandana to work and think you are doing others a favor, lol

          You’re such a good person, aren’t you. tikkun olam

          Talk to Dennis Prager, at least he’s honest – you might learn something about your own religious zealotry here, too (that has nothing to do with God)

           
          This is shameful.
          How could you say such things.
          This is a radiology forum.
          Get a life.
           

          • btomba_77

            Member
            September 2, 2020 at 4:21 pm

            Aaaaaaannnnnnnd … banned.  Time for [i]yet another[/i] alias to rise from the ashes.

            • kaldridgewv2211

              Member
              September 2, 2020 at 5:30 pm

              Surprised you waited so long to hit the block button.

      • ruszja

        Member
        September 2, 2020 at 7:38 pm

        Quote from DoctorDalai

        For the uneducated…

        Where We Go One, We Go All…From QAnon…

        Is that grammatically correct ? I wonder whether this q-anon dude is a foreigner. He basically promotes communism.

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    September 2, 2020 at 3:06 pm

    Easy Q

    Time to go back into the shadows

    My bet is Your going to ban your last alias

  • r.stolze_447

    Member
    September 3, 2020 at 12:33 am

    Quote from denizen

    I think Scott knows a lot about radiology, especially neuroradiology.

    Knows or knew?  When was the last time he did clinical radiology?

    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      September 4, 2020 at 6:30 am

      Just listened to Scott Atlas being interviewed o.n the BBC.
       
      What a jerk doesn’t quite reach the level of criticism he deserves for his statements. He is political animal through & through making political assessments while hiding behind his “Dr” creds implying also he is an epidemiologist & basically calling the BBC interviewer not intelligent for not being able to understand Atlas’s alternate reality of COVID.
       
      His arguments can be summarized as, “Are you going to believe your eyes or what I tell you is real?”

      • satyanar

        Member
        September 7, 2020 at 1:10 pm

        Quote from Frumious

        Just listened to Scott Atlas being interviewed o.n the BBC.

        What a jerk doesn’t quite reach the level of criticism he deserves for his statements.

         
        In light of my recent post I thought I would confirm my memory. 
         
        Read the OP just above to see the political rant that comes next. 
         
         

        • btomba_77

          Member
          September 10, 2020 at 2:24 pm

          [b]Former Stanford colleagues warn that Dr. Scott Atlas fosters ‘falsehoods and misrepresentations of science'[/b]

          Over 70 Stanford Medical School doctors and researchers signed a letter.

          Atlas, a neuroradiologist by training with no background in treating infectious diseases, joined the president’s medical advisory staff last month. Before doing so, he made frequent appearances on Fox News, where he often cast doubt on the efficacy of wearing masks and pushed for schools to reopen with in-person learning positions in line with Trump’s own public sentiments.

          [link=https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/stanford-colleagues-warn-dr-scott-atlas-fosters-falsehoods/story?id=72926212&cid=clicksource_4380645_1_heads_hero_live_hero_hed]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/stan…_live_hero_hed[/link]

          • Unknown Member

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            September 10, 2020 at 2:44 pm

            Shocking

            • clickpenguin_460

              Member
              September 10, 2020 at 3:45 pm

              I like how they use his appearances on foxnews to slander him when other physicians routinely go on CNN and MSNBC and no one says anything.

              • Unknown Member

                Deleted User
                September 10, 2020 at 3:56 pm

                He works for the government

                • afazio.uk_887

                  Member
                  September 10, 2020 at 4:43 pm

                  Why are so many Rads such morally bankrupt people

                  • Unknown Member

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                    September 10, 2020 at 6:54 pm

                    Quote from Waduh Dong

                    Why are so many Rads such morally bankrupt people

                     
                    A more productive and illuminating question is, why would you care if they are?
                     
                     

                    • clickpenguin_460

                      Member
                      September 10, 2020 at 7:00 pm

                      Yeah it’s pretty immoral to want to treat all humans the same instead of putting them into labeled groups and also very immoral to want humanity to succeed as a whole rather than stagnate and self-implode.
                       
                       

                    • Unknown Member

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                      September 10, 2020 at 7:17 pm

                      Its perfectly reasonable to criticize Atlas policies or advice, provided of course one has an accurate view of them.

                      Immoral? Ha! The guy is a brilliant doctor, dedicated decades of his life helping patients and educating others and himself. Then in a time of national crisis, he entered a controversial administration knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt beforehand he was going to get shredded in the media simply for working with Trump.

                      Atlas didnt have to do it. Hes already rich, has an impeccable rep, and a 7 figure salary wherever he wants. He could have sat on the sidelines, lived the good and easy life, and no one would have known he even could have joined the administration.

                      But he thought he could help and, knowing he was going to get the crap kicked out of him by the media and attacked by members of his own profession…he still chose to take the job and enter the arena.

                      Right or wrong on policy? Fair criticism. Morality? Nah. Hes a good man and a patriot.

                    • afazio.uk_887

                      Member
                      September 10, 2020 at 7:30 pm

                      Laughable take – he did it because he is a narcissist like trump.  He is also not brilliant, herd immunity is not some brilliant take.  He is nothing more than a trump sycophant and a joke.  Sad to see him denigrate his well earned radiology reputation like this.  

                    • Unknown Member

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                      September 10, 2020 at 7:46 pm

                      Why do you care what Scott Atlas does with his reputation? Its his rep, and he doesnt seem sad about his choices.

                      Also…hes advising a president while youre on an Internet message board.

                    • satyanar

                      Member
                      September 10, 2020 at 8:05 pm

                      Care to answer my question WD?

                    • clickpenguin_460

                      Member
                      September 12, 2020 at 11:36 am

                      Fauci has lost all sense of rationality.
                       
                      [link=https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/fauci-jennifer-garner-theaters]https://www.foxbusiness.c…nnifer-garner-theaters[/link]

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      September 12, 2020 at 12:02 pm

                      He is specifically talking about the time period with masks not being necessary.
                       

                      He added that if the U.S. gets a “knock-out [link=http://www.foxbusiness.com/category/health-care]vaccine[/link] that’s 85 [to] 90% effective,” and “just about everybody gets vaccinated,” society will have “a degree of immunity” that allows the general public to [b]”walk into a theater without masks[/b] and feel like it’s comfortable” that they will not be at risk of catching COVID-19.

                    • clickpenguin_460

                      Member
                      September 12, 2020 at 12:14 pm

                      Yeah, I know.
                       
                      That’s a ridiculous assertion to say that it would take a year after a vaccine for people to not have to wear masks into a theater.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      September 12, 2020 at 12:23 pm

                      Exactly how quickly do you think a vaccine can be rolled out to create herd immunity once it’s deemed safe and effective? A year after a vaccine or vaccines are deemed safe and effective might be pessimistic but then we are in the 8th-9th month of COVID now with no vaccine and still over 1,000 deaths a day.

          • Unknown Member

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            September 12, 2020 at 12:41 pm

            Quote from dergon

            [b]Former Stanford colleagues warn that Dr. Scott Atlas fosters ‘falsehoods and misrepresentations of science'[/b]

            Over 70 Stanford Medical School doctors and researchers signed a letter.

            Atlas, a neuroradiologist by training with no background in treating infectious diseases, joined the president’s medical advisory staff last month. Before doing so, he made frequent appearances on Fox News, where he often cast doubt on the efficacy of wearing masks and pushed for schools to reopen with in-person learning positions in line with Trump’s own public sentiments.

            [link=https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/stanford-colleagues-warn-dr-scott-atlas-fosters-falsehoods/story?id=72926212&cid=clicksource_4380645_1_heads_hero_live_hero_hed]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/stan…_live_hero_hed[/link]

             
            Some people still care about their reputations, but I think it’s more than just for money and power.  Scientific integrity is not just lip service for some die hards these days.  Jaded is not my favorite color.

            • clickpenguin_460

              Member
              September 12, 2020 at 12:45 pm

              I would be happy to see anyone show actual data that 1. schools reopening cause significant increases in covid deaths and/or 2. masks directly help decrease the amount of covid deaths.
               
              I find it funny when people immediately dismiss the contrarian view when the “accepted” view doesn’t have the data.
               
              It will be interesting to see how the media’s handling of covid changes if Biden wins.

              • Unknown Member

                Deleted User
                September 12, 2020 at 12:56 pm

                It wont be interesting.  Theyll do as theyre told. 

              • Unknown Member

                Deleted User
                September 12, 2020 at 12:57 pm

                The data is mountainous.  For full access, your best bet is to contact the experts who signed this letter.

                • clickpenguin_460

                  Member
                  September 12, 2020 at 1:30 pm

                  Uh, not it’s not.  People just wish it to be so and assume it to be so.  There’s no data showing masks help at all.  It just seems like they should.
                   
                  The only thing helping is vulnerable people staying away from other people. 
                   
                  Also, all of the school data shows it’s safe and does not significantly change death rates of covid.
                   
                   
                  If you think you are preventing covid spread by wearing masks outside, having two people walk by each other wearing masks or having people wear masks from the door to a table in a restaurant (as well as numerous other examples), then you’ve lost all common and scientific sense.

                  • Unknown Member

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                    September 12, 2020 at 2:28 pm

                    There is something feeble and a little contemptible about a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths. Almost inevitably some part of him is aware that they are myths and that he believes them only because they are comforting. But he dare not face this thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are disputed.
                     
                    – Bertrand Russell
                     
                    Six months of COVID posts on AM in one paragraph.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      September 12, 2020 at 2:43 pm

                      You found a quote from Russell about a small subset of AM posters who believe COVID is a nothingburger political conspiracy!

                      Good job grinder!

                    • julie.young_645

                      Member
                      September 12, 2020 at 2:50 pm

                      Some call that “Whistling past the graveyard”…

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      September 12, 2020 at 3:29 pm

                      Quote from DoctorDalai

                      Some call that “Whistling past the graveyard”…

                       
                      I do think deeply about that question.  Whistling past the graveyard is an old superstition wherein the ghosts of a cemetery might come and get you as you walked past.  So one whistled, not because it was any kind of talisman that would keep the ghosts away – nothing is going to stop a ghost from getting you if the spectre is so motivated – the whistling keeps you happy and distracted amidst the danger.
                       
                      Your mood, whether it be happy or fearful, has no bearing on the decision of the ghost, and if the decision is to get you, then you have no say in that outcome.  Note that the whistler is not unaware of the danger.  He is simply taking a measure designed to enable oneself and ones companions to remain cheerful in the face of a danger that cannot be avoided.

                    • julie.young_645

                      Member
                      September 12, 2020 at 3:36 pm

                      Then it is an incorrect allusion, given the fact that those participating in this practice in this setting are telling themselves that there is NO danger. 

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      September 12, 2020 at 3:50 pm

                      Our new federal strategy is to think happy thoughts and make it go away

                      Basically downplay it so people dont panic and freak out

                      So the next time I read a category 5 mammogram should I downplay it and tell the patient nothing to worry about because I dont want her to panic

                      Do you think Id get sued for lying to that patient?

                      After all I just didnt want her to freak out and panic

                    • Unknown Member

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                      September 12, 2020 at 3:52 pm

                      Quote from DoctorDalai

                      Then it is an incorrect allusion, given the fact that those participating in this practice in this setting are telling themselves that there is NO danger. 

                       
                      I disagree.  Lets talk a moment about Fauci and Trump.  Per Faucis own admission and touched upon a few months ago on the COVID thread, Fauci knew that masks could have some benefit to contain spread.  Fauci also knew that there werent enough to go around, and the priority was health care workers.  And so Fauci advised against masks early on, knowing full well what would happen.  Furthermore, he would later go on to say that he didnt regret giving advice that he knew was incorrect in order to accomplish his objective at the time.
                       
                      [link=https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-doesnt-regret-advising-against-masks-early-in-pandemic-2020-7]https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-doesnt-regret-advising-against-masks-early-in-pandemic-2020-7[/link]
                       
                      Fauci KNEW there was danger coming from the graveyard, and told people to whistle anyway.
                       
                      Was this a productive lie?  Perhaps.  Do you forgive a well-meaning person who tells you a lie in what pursuit of what they believe is best for the society they oversee?  Well thats a complicated question.  If you dont like being lied to, or especially if it were you or your loved ones who took the hit, then forgiveness will understandably be hard to dispense.
                       
                      And now a corollary arises.  An authority figure tells a group of people a bald-faced lie, admits it, tells them he did it without regret, and now tells them a new statement with attached rules that they must follow or be penalized.  A certain set of the population will say hey, this guy lied to us already and whos to say he isnt lying again?  And now theyre forcing us to follow rules that act as if the guys next statement is true?  This is BS.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      September 12, 2020 at 3:56 pm

                      Yep the next time I read that Category 5 mammogram Im not going risk having a patient panic or freak out

                      I will just tell it its a hoax nor nothingburger so she wont be upset

                    • julie.young_645

                      Member
                      September 12, 2020 at 4:03 pm

                      When breast cancer is proven to be contagious, let me know. Otherwise, your little scenario is far from analogous.
                      I should know better than to try to have any sort of discussion on this topic with the rabid Trump haters and rabid anti-[strike]vaxxers[/strike]-maskers. As above, I’m wearing my mask when needed, and hoping at least one of the vaccine candidates works. Spending endless hours calculating death rates down to the hundredth of a percent doesn’t change anything at all. 

                    • Unknown Member

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                      September 12, 2020 at 4:03 pm

                      Quote from Chirorad84

                      Yep the next time I read that Category 5 mammogram Im not going risk having a patient panic or freak out

                      I will just tell it its a hoax nor nothingburger so she wont be upset

                       
                      A radiologist would more likely call it a BIRADS 5.  Its just one of those things, Chiro, like the whole deceit about being a veteran/DD214 discussion.  Half of becoming something is picking up the jargon that becomes an unconscious indicator of belonging to that group of people.
                       
                      Anyway, going about distorting what other people say so that it fits comfortably into ones pre-existing worldview means that one can never learn anything.  

            • Unknown Member

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              September 12, 2020 at 12:55 pm

              [link=https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/read-the-open-letter-from-stanford-doctors-on-scott-atlas/813b50f72b6543b4/full.pdf]https://int.nyt.com/data/…b50f72b6543b4/full.pdf[/link]
               
              Check out the credentials of the people who signed this letter. I’d say they know a thing or two about this particular field of expertise. They are not mincing words.
               

  • satyanar

    Member
    September 10, 2020 at 7:09 pm

    Quote from Waduh Dong

    Why are so many Rads such morally bankrupt people

     
    I’m curious WD. Is this your personal experience or did you read about it on the internet?

    • satyanar

      Member
      September 10, 2020 at 7:17 pm

      [b]”Outraged Doc Attacks Teenagers Who Won’t ‘Socially Distance'[/b]”[b] [/b][i] [/i][u][/u][strike][/strike]
       
      [link=https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/934695?src=wnl_tp10n_200910_mscpedit&uac=141533PR&impID=2556880&faf=1]https://www.medscape.com/…mpID=2556880&faf=1[/link]
       
      Maybe it’s anesthesia that has a problem?

  • clickpenguin_460

    Member
    September 12, 2020 at 12:34 pm

    See my post in the covid thread.  Most of us don’t need to do anything as stated 1000x over. 
     
    Frumi, if you support wearing masks right now for covid, then you are logically supporting wearing masks everyday for the rest of your life.

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    September 12, 2020 at 3:01 pm

    Cubasfan must have missed this in the Lancet:

    The use of face masks was protective for both health-care workers and people in the community exposed to infection, with both the frequentist and Bayesian analyses lending support to face mask use irrespective of setting.

    [link=https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext#%20]https://www.thelancet.com…0)31142-9/fulltext#%20[/link]

    • julie.young_645

      Member
      September 12, 2020 at 3:12 pm

      [link=https://www.today.com/health/mask-protest-t186064]https://www.today.com/health/mask-protest-t186064[/link]
       
      The mask thing just baffles me. On one side you have people so petrified of COVID-19 that they go ballistic if they see someone unmasked. On the other, you have people so petrified of COVID-19 that they have to indulge in false bravado to convince themselves that they really aren’t that petrified after all. And so many are wallowing in epistemic trespassing, with the main goal to convince themselves that all is well/awful, it’s all Trump’s fault, and that they don’t have to wear a mask. Seriously???
       
      Just wear a darn mask where appropriate. Get one that fits:
       
      [image]https://i.ibb.co/Vtk2KcG/IMG-9106.gif[/image]
       
       

    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      September 12, 2020 at 3:27 pm

      I am specifically thinking about my hospital and hospitals in my area including NYC who got hit really hard with COVID patients, so much so that they all needed refrigerator trucks outside to handle all the bodies of the dead & all the med-surg floors became COVID units.
       
      What I do find amazing is that while some healthcare workers got sick & some died, the vast majority of everyone was well. All that while working in the worst place imaginable where some of us returned home & got naked outside our house & took a shower to avoid spreading COVID to our families & some even rented rooms away from home.
       
      So what protected most everyone from developing antibodies even?
          
      PPE’s maybe? Hand technique? Ventilation & negative pressure?
       
      It’s a siren call to imagine that COVID is not dangerous because of examples like that except the people at the hospitals in my area know better as the bodies of very sick and dead patients said to be careful.
       
      So yeah, what proof is there that masks ever work.
       
       

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    September 12, 2020 at 4:22 pm

    Its not distorting

    If I dont wish to
    Panic a patient by telling them the spiculated lung mass is no big deal or the spiculated breast mass with associated plromorhic microcalcs is no big deal uuuuuuuummmmm I get sued

    when they find out I was only trying to calm them so they wouldnt panic uuuuummm I still get sued

    But when the president lies about something for over 6 weeks and does nothing to prepare for the inevitable uuuummm he gets praised by you

    Seems not quite right

    • julie.young_645

      Member
      September 12, 2020 at 5:36 pm

      ^^^^^^^^^^^
       
      [image]https://j.gifs.com/4QOGpg.gif[/image]

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        September 12, 2020 at 5:44 pm

        Lying is good

        • Unknown Member

          Deleted User
          September 12, 2020 at 5:45 pm

          You trumpers are lap dogs for a washed reality show host

      • julie.young_645

        Member
        September 12, 2020 at 5:56 pm

        [link=https://www.independentsentinel.com/biden-lied-for-years-about-the-accident-that-killed-his-wife-daughter/]https://www.independentsentinel.com/biden-lied-for-years-about-the-accident-that-killed-his-wife-daughter/[/link] 
         
        And we’ll leave it at that. 
         
        There is no discussion possible with someone psychotically fixated on President Trump. 

        • Unknown Member

          Deleted User
          September 12, 2020 at 6:11 pm

          Lap dog

          • Unknown Member

            Deleted User
            September 12, 2020 at 6:12 pm

            No

            Q-Anon lap dog

            • julie.young_645

              Member
              September 12, 2020 at 6:52 pm

              erad, we’ve been through a lot over the years, mostly on the same side of things. But your absolute psychosis over Trump has rendered you irrational and impossible to communicate with.
               
              My best option is to block you until you come to your senses. Which might well take a very long time. Ta-ta…

              • Unknown Member

                Deleted User
                September 13, 2020 at 3:50 am

                Evangelical?

                What does that mean?

                No Im
                No evangelical

  • btomba_77

    Member
    September 18, 2020 at 7:53 am

    Atlas threatens to sue Stanford colleagues over their letter

    • ruszja

      Member
      September 18, 2020 at 7:56 am

      Quote from dergon

      Atlas threatens to sue Stanford colleagues over their letter

       
      Lol. I hope he does, I really do.

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