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  • Facebook boycott over political ads and misinformation

    Posted by btomba_77 on June 25, 2020 at 5:39 am

    [link=https://thehill.com/policy/technology/504225-facebook-boycott-gains-momentum]Facebook boycott gains momentum[/link]

    The campaign comes at a time when Facebook is under internal and external pressure over its handling of [link=https://thehill.com/people/donald-trump]President Trump[/link]s rhetoric, especially his posts that are seen as glorifying violence. Zuckerberg has defended the platforms hands-off approach, but that position has come under increasing fire as other tech companies like Twitter have been more aggressive about attaching warning labels to the presidents comments.

    The groups behind the current boycott are calling for Facebook to, among other things, create a threshold for harm where users facing harassment can speak directly with an employee, an internal mechanism for removing ads labeled as misinformation and a system for flagging content in private groups.

    Although the campaign was just launched last week, it has already received more than a dozen corporate supporters.

    Outerwear companies, including Eddie Bauer and Arcteryx, were some of the first to join, pledging to stop buying advertisements on Facebook and Instagram for July.

    Web browsing company Mozilla, shipping company Local Postal, film distributor Magnolia Pictures and global freelancing platform Upwork have also all joined the campaign.

    As the worlds largest on-demand remote talent platform, we are committed to building a safe and inclusive space for companies and professionals, Hayden Brown, CEO of Upwork, said in a statement to The Hill on Monday. We cannot stand by and be complicit to or complacent about the spread of hate, racism, and misinformation, and that is why we are supporting the Stop Hate for Profit advocacy campaign.
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  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 25, 2020 at 5:39 am

    [h1]Ad agency counting BMW, PayPal and Pepsi as clients joins Facebook boycott[/h1] [link=https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/25/goodby-joins-facebook-stophateforprofit-boycott.html]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/25/good…t-boycott.html[/link]

    Stop Hate For Profit
     

    • btomba_77

      Member
      June 25, 2020 at 5:42 am

      [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-campaign-weighs-alternatives-to-big-social-platforms-11593003602]https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-campaign-weighs-alternatives-to-big-social-platforms-11593003602[/link]
       
      On the other side of the tension:
       
      Trump Campaign Weighs Alternatives to Big Social Platforms[/h1] Amid disputes with Facebook and Twitter, the presidents team mulls whether to push supporters toward a different platform or put more emphasis on its own campaign app[/h2]  

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        June 25, 2020 at 5:49 am

        Do tech companies in liberal places like silicon valley deserve domain over conservative parts of US? I used to think who cares, but the more I think about it, the more troublesome it is.

        • Unknown Member

          Deleted User
          June 25, 2020 at 6:00 am

          Yes. If Democrats sweep, freedom of speech ends on November 4.

          • Unknown Member

            Deleted User
            June 25, 2020 at 6:06 am

            If Trump left Twitter, they probably lose about 30-40% of their volume and market cap. Theres Trumps account, his supporters and acolytes, and then thousands of accounts that do little but react angrily to his tweets.

            • Unknown Member

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              June 25, 2020 at 6:14 am

              Especially with how badly this covid thing was covered, I am troubled that all the major news outlets and tech companies are on the coasts.

              People like Frumi are incapable of thinking on their own. He thinks news is truth. So how can he possibly formulate the correct information. No freaking way. All he knows is what they feed him. Trump bad, Biden good. Covid killing 10%

            • kaldridgewv2211

              Member
              June 25, 2020 at 6:34 am

              Quote from radgrinder

              If Trump left Twitter, they probably lose about 30-40% of their volume and market cap. Theres Trumps account, his supporters and acolytes, and then thousands of accounts that do little but react angrily to his tweets.

              probably not.  with the exception of Russian bots people aren’t on Twitter just for Trump.  all brands, businesses, celebs, sports stars and just boat loads of people use twitter.  look at the way whackado losers like Laura Loomer went berserk when she got kicked off.  It’s a money making platform for a lot of people not to mention twitter.
               
              I hardly ever login to facebook aynmore.  I think the youth are more on the instagram side (owned by FB).

              • Unknown Member

                Deleted User
                June 25, 2020 at 8:10 pm

                Trumps rhetoric glorifies violence?
                So that’s why the lefties are committing so many violent acts. If Trump would just stop his rhetoric the lefties and Marxists would stop the looting, destroying personal property, murdering innocent black Americans. If Facebook and Twitter would just censor Trump all the low life liberals would stop their violence and get a job?

              • Unknown Member

                Deleted User
                June 26, 2020 at 2:58 am

                How does this russian bot thing work anyway? You sure its not a boogie man created to delegitimize the decision of the electorate?

                • clickpenguin_460

                  Member
                  June 26, 2020 at 6:41 am

                  I find it funny that even Facebook isn’t “liberal enough” for these people.
                   
                  Could you imagine if Obama or any of his supporters had been censored in any way?  Could you imagine if MAGA hats had taken over 6 blocks of a city?
                   
                  I think we should test the waters to see how far we can get them to go.  What is the peak “wokeness” of these politicians and companies?
                   
                   

                  • kaldridgewv2211

                    Member
                    June 26, 2020 at 7:38 am

                    Quote from Cubsfan10

                    I find it funny that even Facebook isn’t “liberal enough” for these people.

                    Could you imagine if Obama or any of his supporters had been censored in any way?  Could you imagine if MAGA hats had taken over 6 blocks of a city?

                    I think we should test the waters to see how far we can get them to go.  What is the peak “wokeness” of these politicians and companies?

                    It’s actually hard to imagine Obama being anywhere near as stupid and incendiary as Trump.  Say what you will about Barry O but he was definitely more on the hope/change side than tear gas the peaceful protest in order to take a bad photo op side of things.

              • btomba_77

                Member
                September 17, 2021 at 10:51 am

                Quote from DICOM_Dan

                Quote from radgrinder

                If Trump left Twitter, they probably lose about 30-40% of their volume and market cap. Theres Trumps account, his supporters and acolytes, and then thousands of accounts that do little but react angrily to his tweets.

                probably not.  with the exception of Russian bots people aren’t on Twitter just for Trump.  all brands, businesses, celebs, sports stars and just boat loads of people use twitter.  look at the way whackado losers like Laura Loomer went berserk when she got kicked off.  It’s a money making platform for a lot of people not to mention twitter.

                I hardly ever login to facebook aynmore.  I think the youth are more on the instagram side (owned by FB).

                whackado Laura Loomer gets Covid.
                 
                a bad case of the flu… So I took a COVID test and it came back POSITIVE.
                 I have not taken the COVID-19 vaccine, and I dont plan on ever taking it because it is unsafe and ineffective. Today, I immediately started a treatment of Azithromyacin and Hydroxychloroquine. Im also taking the OrthoMune dietary supplement. 
                 
                 
                Last year, Loomer expressed a wish that she could catch COVID to show everyone that it was no big deal. She [link=https://parler.adatascienti.st/search?q=bad+fajitas]wrote[/link] on Parler in December 2020: I hope I get COVID just so I can prove to people Ive had bouts of food poisoning that are more serious and life threatening than a hyped up virus. Have you ever eaten bad fajitas? That will kill you faster than COVID.
                 
                 
                 Just pray for me please… Cant even begin to explain how brutal the body aches and nausea that come with COVID are. I am in so much pain.
                [link=https://www.thedailybeast.com/laura-loomer-who-once-said-bad-fajitas-were-worse-than-covid-says-shes-tested-positive?via=twitter_page]https://www.thedailybeast…itive?via=twitter_page[/link]

                • kaldridgewv2211

                  Member
                  September 17, 2021 at 11:37 am

                  Let’s see.  I ain’t never gettin’ the shot because it’s unsafe and ineffective.  Yet she got covid and it could kill her.    
                   
                  I guess assuming she survives, it’ll be the horse paste that saved her.  Not the advanced medicine like regeneron.  
                   
                   

  • kaldridgewv2211

    Member
    June 26, 2020 at 7:35 am

    Quote from Jimboboy

    How does this russian bot thing work anyway? You sure its not a boogie man created to delegitimize the decision of the electorate?

    Have you ever used Twitter?  Cyber security researchers have done a pretty good job figuring out the Russian bot stuff.  They can track back which bots are following which bots, and there’s even a pattern in the numbers on the end.  So whomever is running that particular bot farm in russia can say this is bot 10,001.  They also use stock photos of people from the internet for avatars.  It’s pretty easy to spot.  Just look for the @MAGAbabe094678 handle with a picture of a super model tweeting something like “in USA Donald Trump #1”.  
     
    Here you go.
     
    [link=https://www.motherjones.com/media/2018/08/how-to-identify-russian-bots-twitter/]https://www.motherjones.com/media/2018/08/how-to-identify-russian-bots-twitter/[/link]

    • Unknown Member

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      June 26, 2020 at 7:42 am

      Quote from DICOM_Dan

      Quote from Jimboboy

      How does this russian bot thing work anyway? You sure its not a boogie man created to delegitimize the decision of the electorate?

      Have you ever used Twitter?  Cyber security researchers have done a pretty good job figuring out the Russian bot stuff.  They can track back which bots are following which bots, and there’s even a pattern in the numbers on the end.  So whomever is running that particular bot farm in russia can say this is bot 10,001.  They also use stock photos of people from the internet for avatars.  It’s pretty easy to spot.  Just look for the @MAGAbabe094678 handle with a picture of a super model tweeting something like “in USA Donald Trump #1”.  

      Here you go.

      [link=https://www.motherjones.com/media/2018/08/how-to-identify-russian-bots-twitter/]https://www.motherjones.com/media/2018/08/how-to-identify-russian-bots-twitter/[/link]

      More to the point, does it work?

      • btomba_77

        Member
        June 26, 2020 at 10:46 am

        [link=https://thehill.com/policy/technology/504729-unilever-to-pull-ads-from-twitter-instagram-and-facebook-through-end-of-the]Unilever to pull ads from Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook through end of the year[/link]

        • savpruitt_28

          Member
          June 26, 2020 at 11:49 am

          You’re not the customer here, you are the product being sold. Fake altruism from phony companies, they (and Twitter and Facebook) made billions feeding the monster they have lost control of.

          • btomba_77

            Member
            June 26, 2020 at 12:41 pm

            Correct. This is the companies refusing to purchase the product of my eyeballs and data …
            Until FB gets the monster under control (or makes a good enough show of pretending to do so)

            • savpruitt_28

              Member
              June 26, 2020 at 1:29 pm

              They walk a fine line. I see this as toxic to Facebook’s brand. People use it, I think, because they believe they are having relatively “unfiltered” interactions. As the filters ramp up the utility of the product will plummet, as will the value of the advertising space. The eyeballs will go elsewhere and they are. 

              • btomba_77

                Member
                June 26, 2020 at 1:43 pm

                [link=https://thehill.com/policy/technology/504750-facebook-to-label-newsworthy-posts-that-violate-policies]https://thehill.com/policy/technology/504750-facebook-to-label-newsworthy-posts-that-violate-policies

                [/link]
                Facebook to label but leave up ‘newsworthy’ posts that violate policies[/h1]

                Facebook CEO [link=https://thehill.com/people/mark-zuckerberg]Mark Zuckerberg[/link] announced Friday that the platform will label but leave up posts deemed newsworthy that violate company policies, a major reversal that comes after weeks of criticism.
                 
                We will soon start labeling some of the content we leave up because it is deemed newsworthy, so people can know when this is the case, Zuckerberg wrote in a Facebook post. We’ll allow people to share this content to condemn it, just like we do with other problematic content, because this is an important part of how we discuss what’s acceptable in our society but we’ll add a prompt to tell people that the content they’re sharing may violate our policies.
                 
                He pointed specifically to posts from politicians, writing that we leave up content that would otherwise violate our policies if the public interest value outweighs the risk of harm.
                [/QUOTE]
                 

                • btomba_77

                  Member
                  June 26, 2020 at 2:17 pm

                  Verizon and Honda are also pulling their ads from FB.

                  • clickpenguin_460

                    Member
                    June 26, 2020 at 6:10 pm

                    Love me some corporate virtue signaling.  Looks like the college kids have finally taken over the corporate HR departments.
                     
                     

  • clickpenguin_460

    Member
    June 26, 2020 at 6:45 pm

    Time magazine is making sure we know how to live. 
     
    [link=https://time.com/5859459/in-defense-of-virtue-signaling-2/]https://time.com/5859459/…of-virtue-signaling-2/[/link]
     
    I’m looking forward to their in depth analysis on how many black lives were saved by cancelling “Cops.” 

    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      June 27, 2020 at 5:15 am

      Getting rid of agitprop is always a good thing. 

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 27, 2020 at 5:18 am

    [link=https://thehill.com/regulation/business/504822-coca-cola-announces-pause-on-all-social-media-advertising]Coca-Cola announces pause on all social media advertising[/link]

    • clickpenguin_460

      Member
      June 27, 2020 at 7:37 am

      I honestly can say that if this leads to the destruction of social media, I would be all for it.  I think social media has contributed heavily to the partisan nature of our modern world, increased mental illness, and shifted a lot of humans’ priorities from real world to virtual.
       
      If companies choose to pull ads, I hope they do it in a blanket fashion like Coca-Cola.  All or none.

      • btomba_77

        Member
        June 29, 2020 at 2:03 pm

        Reebok and Adidas

        • clickpenguin_460

          Member
          June 29, 2020 at 2:23 pm

          Like dominoes

          • btomba_77

            Member
            June 30, 2020 at 10:22 am

            [b]Biden Campaign Assails Facebook[/b][/h1]  
             
            Joe Bidens presidential campaign demanded in a [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/biden-campaign-s-letter-to-facebook/39e38d4c-442f-4d21-b098-b35677167cb9/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2]letter to Facebook[/link] that the company prevent misuse of its platform by President Trump to spread hateful content and misleading claims about mail-in voting ahead of the November election, the [link=https://wapo.st/38c51OO]Washington Post[/link] reports.

             

            • ruszja

              Member
              June 30, 2020 at 10:42 am

              Quote from dergon

              [b]Biden Campaign Assails Facebook[/b]  

              Joe Bidens presidential campaign demanded in a [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/biden-campaign-s-letter-to-facebook/39e38d4c-442f-4d21-b098-b35677167cb9/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2]letter to Facebook[/link] that the company prevent misuse of its platform by President Trump to spread hateful content and misleading claims about mail-in voting ahead of the November election, the [link=https://wapo.st/38c51OO]Washington Post[/link] reports.

               
              Can’t wait to see these people in charge of freedom of the press.

              • Unknown Member

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                June 30, 2020 at 11:10 am

                Correction. Obama assails facebook.

                This is now a third term try for Obama. Circumventing term limits.

                • btomba_77

                  Member
                  July 1, 2020 at 3:25 am

                  [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/06/30/facebook-boogaloo-ban-accounts/]Facebook removes hundreds of Boogaloo accounts for promoting violence[/link]

                  • Unknown Member

                    Deleted User
                    July 1, 2020 at 4:11 am

                    As they should. About time.

                    Now they will get around to removing antifa accounts too.

                    Am I right?

                    right?

                    anyone?

  • btomba_77

    Member
    July 1, 2020 at 4:14 am

    Yes. Absolutely.
     
    They already have.
     
    And… funny thing … it turns out that those “Antifa” FB accounts were actually put up by white nationalists.
     
    [link=https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protests-facebook/facebook-takes-down-white-nationalist-and-fake-antifa-accounts-idUSKBN23A06J]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protests-facebook/facebook-takes-down-white-nationalist-and-fake-antifa-accounts-idUSKBN23A06J[/link]

    • btomba_77

      Member
      July 1, 2020 at 4:16 am

      But your “both sides” objection is duly noted.

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        July 1, 2020 at 4:58 am

        “Facebook takes down white nationalist and fake antifa accounts”

        So they kept the real antifa accounts?

        • Unknown Member

          Deleted User
          July 1, 2020 at 5:08 am

          Not exactly “both sides” is it?

          But is that how you see it in your mind, dergon?

          • btomba_77

            Member
            July 1, 2020 at 5:13 am

            I’ll whisper you a secret —
             
             
            It’s because there aren’t many real Antifa accounts.  It’s a boogeyman created by the right in order to justify ignoring the growing influence of white nationalism in Republican politics.

            • Unknown Member

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              July 1, 2020 at 5:18 am

              But… statues being torn down… defund the police… CHAZ…

              What of those? The overt things I see are all the liberal stuff.

              Why are they only targeting the other side?

              • Unknown Member

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                July 1, 2020 at 5:24 am

                Dergon, I really think you ought to open your eyes. You’re old enough, smart enough to think on your own.

                • btomba_77

                  Member
                  March 3, 2021 at 4:10 pm

                  [h1][b]Disinformation Spreads Quicker When Its Far Right[/b][/h1]  
                  [link=https://theweek.com/speedreads/970013/farright-misinformation-gets-by-far-most-engagement-facebook-study-finds]The Week[/link]: Left-leaning and centrist news publications get fewer clicks on Facebook if they publish false stories. But far-right publications experience the opposite, nabbing nearly twice as much Facebook engagement on stories classified as misinformation.
                   
                  The researchers at the Cybersecurity for Democracy project at New York University found that not only are far-right publications unique in that they are seemingly rewarded for posting faulty information, they are receiving by far the most engagement compared to slightly right, center, slightly left, and far-left publications in general.
                   

                  • btomba_77

                    Member
                    April 6, 2021 at 4:01 am

                    [i]Brad Hanlon, a research analyst writing in the wake of [link=https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/defending-2020/]a new report[/link] from the [/i][i][link=https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/]Alliance for Securing Democracy[/link]-[/i]
                     
                    [i]https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/546304-congressional-ceo-grillings-cant-solve-disinformation-we-need-a-public
                    [/i]
                     
                     
                     
                    [i]
                    [/i]
                     
                     
                    ( he sees an agency akin to the FAA or the FDA .. an independent expert agency meant to be in service to the public good,  to act in the public interest and to prevent corporations from putting profit of people)
                     
                    [b]Congressional CEO grillings can’t solve disinformation: We need a public interest regulator[/b]

                     
                    As [link=https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/defending-2020/]a new report[/link] from the Alliance for Securing Democracy reveals, despite numerous new policies to counter the spread of false information in the leadup to the 2020 election, platforms for the tough questions. In the wake of the election, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube were caught flat-footed by a domestic disinformation campaign targeting the integrity of the voting process.
                     

                     
                    [b]While platforms like Facebook [link=https://about.fb.com/news/2021/03/how-were-tackling-misinformation-across-our-apps/]assert [/link]that addressing misinformation is in their best interest, this may not be the case. [/b]Social media platforms are [link=https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/03/11/1020600/facebook-responsible-ai-misinformation/]designed[/link] to spread engaging, rather than authoritative content. And conspiratorial and false content drive [link=https://www.protocol.com/facebook-misinformation-far-right-politics]engagement[/link] and keep users scrolling, clicking, and viewing more ads. Reducing the spread of these narratives improves online conversation, but also threatens to decrease engagement and therefore [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/24/technology/facebook-election-misinformation.html]jeopardize [/link]growth. 
                     
                    Political criticisms of bias further disincentivize platforms from taking steps to shift architecture. Though these accusations [link=https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b6df958f8370af3217d4178/t/60187b5f45762e708708c8e9/1612217185240/NYU+False+Accusation_2.pdf]mostly lack evidence[/link], partisan outlets that would see a decrease in attention from changes that elevate authoritative content are quick to criticize the companies when they take steps in that direction and their criticisms often gain [link=https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-socialmedia/facebook-google-accused-of-anti-conservative-bias-at-u-s-senate-hearing-idUSKCN1RM2SJ]support[/link] from members of Congress.
                     
                    Whether or not platforms make earnest attempts to navigate this dynamic is irrelevant. The fact is that business incentives are at odds with the public good and without actual oversight, users are caught in the middle. Platform attempts to address the challenge have proven insufficient, while self-declared policy changes and assessments [link=https://themarkup.org/citizen-browser/2021/01/19/facebook-said-it-would-stop-pushing-users-to-join-partisan-political-groups-it-didnt]have not[/link] [link=https://finance.yahoo.com/news/youtube-election-disinformation-network-204902660.html]held up[/link] to [link=https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/facebook-labels-trump-lies-do-not-stop-spread]outside[/link] [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/09/twitter-put-warning-labels-hundreds-thousands-tweets-our-research-examined-which-worked-best/]scrutiny[/link].
                     
                    To change this status quo, Congress needs to take concrete action, empowering [link=https://democracyjournal.org/magazine/53/bringing-truth-to-the-internet/]expert oversight[/link] in the form of an [link=https://shorensteincenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/New-Digital-Realities_August-2020.pdf]independent regulator[/link] for large social media companies.
                     
                    This body could act to protect consumers and promote a healthy information space by [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/02/technology/biden-reality-crisis-misinformation.html]providing audits[/link] of platform architecture to facilitate greater transparency and by overseeing company attempts to counter mis- and disinformation.
                     

                     
                    Importantly, the regulator should not be able to dictate to platforms what is or is not acceptable speech but should instead ensure that platforms are not designed to manipulate the public.

                • btomba_77

                  Member
                  November 6, 2022 at 2:45 pm

                  Meta could begin large-scale layoffs this week, report says

                  Meta could begin to carry out mass layoffs of thousands of employees as soon as Wednesday, according to a report from the Wall Street Journal.

                  • stlmchenry_510

                    Member
                    November 25, 2022 at 7:33 am

                    My cousin used to play with Mark Zuckerberg when they were little kids in upstate New York. She didnt like to play with him because he would bite her feet. Haha. They were little kids and he didnt know better, but its still pretty funny.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      December 17, 2022 at 5:31 am

                      [link=https://www.npr.org/2022/12/17/1142873282/facebook-meta-lawsuit-ethiopia-kenya-abrham-amare]https://www.npr.org/2022/…pia-kenya-abrham-amare[/link]

                      [h1][b]A $1.6 billion lawsuit alleges Facebook’s inaction fueled violence in Ethiopia[/b][/h1]
                      They’re also asking the court to deliver what would be a legal first: forced changes to Facebook’s algorithm, which has long been blamed for not doing enough to limit the reach of incendiary content. 
                       

              • kaldridgewv2211

                Member
                July 1, 2020 at 9:55 am

                Quote from Jimboboy

                But… statues being torn down… defund the police… CHAZ…

                What of those? The overt things I see are all the liberal stuff.

                Why are they only targeting the other side?

                so you think maybe they should bring down an MLK statue?
                 
                I’m not sure how not wanting to celebrate, idolize, memorialize the conferacy is a liberal point of view.
                 
                 

                • btomba_77

                  Member
                  July 1, 2020 at 10:01 am

                  [link=https://thehill.com/policy/technology/505426-facebook-claims-it-does-not-profit-from-hate-in-open-letter]Facebook claims it ‘does not profit from hate’ in open letter[/link]
                   

                  “I want to be unambiguous: Facebook does not profit from hate,” [link=https://thehill.com/person/nick-clegg]Nick Clegg[/link], the company’s vice president of global affairs and communications, [link=https://about.fb.com/news/2020/07/facebook-does-not-benefit-from-hate/]wrote in the letter[/link]. “Billions of people use Facebook and Instagram because they have good experiences they dont want to see hateful content, our advertisers dont want to see it, and we dont want to see it.
                   
                  There is no incentive for us to do anything but remove it.”
                  Clegg said that more 100 billion messages are sent on the company’s platforms every day, making it difficult to catch all the content that violates its policies.
                   
                  “Unfortunately, zero tolerance doesnt mean zero incidences,” he wrote. “With so much content posted every day, rooting out the hate is like looking for a needle in a haystack.”
                   
                  The letter says that enforcement has gotten better while acknowledging that further changes are needed.
                   
                  “We may never be able to prevent hate from appearing on Facebook entirely, but we are getting better at stopping it all the time,” Clegg concluded.
                   
                  The public defense of Facebook’s content moderation comes as the platform begins to make changes in response to an advertisers’ boycott that has ballooned to more than 400 brands.
                   
                  CEO [link=https://thehill.com/people/mark-zuckerberg]Mark Zuckerberg[/link] has agreed to meet with the heads of the civil rights groups organizing the campaign, which calls on companies to pull their ad dollars from the platform for at least the month of July.
                  [/QUOTE]
                   

                  • Unknown Member

                    Deleted User
                    July 1, 2020 at 10:12 am

                    Sure dicom, why don’t you focus on the Confederate statues only. What about other statues like Washington?

                    Also why ignore defund the police and chaz?

                    You’re using a cognitive fallacy to make arguing your points easier. Lame.

                    • kaldridgewv2211

                      Member
                      July 1, 2020 at 10:27 am

                      Quote from Jimboboy

                      Sure dicom, why don’t you focus on the Confederate statues only. What about other statues like Washington?

                      Also why ignore defund the police and chaz?

                      You’re using a cognitive fallacy to make arguing your points easier. Lame.

                      Last time I checked people were fudging with the George Washington stuff too.  More specifically I think someone pulled a Jackson Pollock on the GWB in NYC.
                       
                      I don’t take the same over zealous meaning of defund the police.  I think we should look at how spend money policing, and police training.  I think we should invest in other things like mental health, drug abuse help, domestic help and perhaps things the police shouldn’t be handling.  Some police department maybe should go the way of cambden NJ.  Burn it down and start over.
                       
                      Chaz I believe was predicted to fizzle and it has fizzled.  Police are dismantling it.  It’s a pop-corn fart on the wind instrument of history.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 1, 2020 at 10:55 am

                      Also my point wasn’t to say that MLK statues ought to be toppled. Go back and read the conversation.

                      It was about facebook erasing bagaloo accounts (far right leaning group).

                      My point was why is the media and tech groups only targeting rightwing groups while the left gets free reign. It is the left that are doing most of the destruction right now, no?

                      Censoring is disturbing in itself. But the one sided censorship even more so. If it about extremism and violence, both ends need scrutiny. But facebook is et al are even erasing stuff that are nonviolent. Just political views.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      July 1, 2020 at 11:28 am

                      Just because they are censoring the views that are contrary to your beliefs do not make it right.

                      Everyone ought to be deeply troubled by what’s going on here.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 1, 2020 at 11:34 am

                      And this censoring won’t work. It will only harbor more animosity from the disaffected

            • ruszja

              Member
              July 1, 2020 at 12:34 pm

              Quote from dergon

              I’ll whisper you a secret —

              It’s because there aren’t many real Antifa accounts.  It’s a boogeyman created by the right in order to justify ignoring the growing influence of white nationalism in Republican politics.

               
              There may not be that many accounts, but there is definitely a violent antifa in this country.

              • clickpenguin_460

                Member
                July 1, 2020 at 5:21 pm

                No censoring.
                 
                The Left is using the term censoring to really expand upon the idea of “shielding” – hiding from terms, videos, object, etc. that offend or upset people.  They are using the known quantity of shielding children from things that might upset them and extrapolating it to adults.
                 
                The university system is masterful in its degree of infantilization.  They know that is the key to being able to control the minds of the students and brainwash them into their way of thinking.  Children are the most impressionable and people hold crazy beliefs for lifetimes because of the things they learned when they were kids or the ways they grew up.

                • btomba_77

                  Member
                  July 1, 2020 at 6:20 pm

                  In the same way Brian won’t let me post a d*ck pic or a swastica or say “RadX is a pedophile”  on this private website that he owns,  FB and other social media providers are free to determine their own terms of service.
                   
                  And people are free to lobby those private businesses. In the end it comes down to a business decision.  But FB and twitter etc should know they are reallyt walking a knife’s edge here.
                   
                  If they don’t comply with the left they face nasty regulation should the Democrats take power.  If conservatives continue to scream “censorship” they might end up labelled as publishers .. and then the whole business model falls apart.
                   
                  So they need to find a decent middle ground.

                  • clickpenguin_460

                    Member
                    July 1, 2020 at 6:22 pm

                    Sounds about right.  Honestly, I thought FB had the middle ground and Twitter screwed them by going Left.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 2, 2020 at 7:06 am

                      Polls say 23% trust the news.

                      Frumi and dergon are behind the curve.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    July 1, 2020 at 5:08 am

    yes…. they kept the real ones
     
     
    **rollseyes**

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    July 1, 2020 at 10:15 am

    And I was encouraging dergin to think about this in a balanced way. I myself am pretty liberal but I can clearly see the hypocrisy of the left.

    think independently. Try it

  • clickpenguin_460

    Member
    July 2, 2020 at 7:30 am

    That’s pretty terrible considering it includes liberals, democrats, etc.

    • Unknown Member

      Deleted User
      July 2, 2020 at 7:38 am

      You mean frumi and dergon are behind the curve even among the liberals and democrats?

      Might be even less than 23% Like all the polls, probably undersampled the silent majority, the flyover country. You know, the “deplorables”.

      • btomba_77

        Member
        July 3, 2020 at 2:00 pm

        [link=https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/cvs-joins-advertiser-boycott-of-facebooks-70-billion-honeypot]https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/cvs-joins-advertiser-boycott-of-facebooks-70-billion-honeypot[/link]
         
        CVS joins FB boycott

        • btomba_77

          Member
          July 7, 2020 at 6:12 am

          [b]Pompeo Says U.S. May Ban TikTok[/b][/h1]  
          Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the United States is looking at banning Chinese social media apps, including TikTok, [link=https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/tech/us-tiktok-ban/index.html]CNN[/link] reports.
           
           
          Said Pompeo: With respect to Chinese apps on peoples cell phones, I can assure you the United States will get this one right too I dont want to get out in front of the President Trump, but its something were looking at.

           

          • Unknown Member

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            July 7, 2020 at 6:54 am

            What Zuckerberg did, not caving to the boycott, was proabbly the prudent strategy.

            Once you start, there will be other demands which become more and more onerous. And eventually one demand will conflict with another. Unwinnable situation.

            it’s sorta like not negotiating with hostage takers. If you yield, you lose. Maybe not this time but many times over later.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    July 7, 2020 at 8:53 am

     
     
    [link=https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/7/21316492/facebook-boycott-stophateforprofit-hate-moderation-meeting]https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/7/21316492/facebook-boycott-stophateforprofit-hate-moderation-meeting[/link]
     
    [b]Facebook boycott organizers call Mark Zuckerberg meeting a disappointment[/b][/h1]  
    The only recommendation they even attempted to address is hiring a civil rights position but were unable to commit to the crucial piece of the position being at the C-suite level or what the requirements for the position will be, Color of Change said in a follow-up statement. However, they offered no attempt to respond to the other nine recommendations.
     
    Anti-Defamation League president Jonathan Greenblatt a partner in the #StopHateForProfit coalition shared those frustrations, describing the meeting as long on time but short on commitments. Greenblatt took particular issue with Facebooks claim that it proactively removes 89 percent of hateful content that users attempt to post. The Ford motor company cant say that 89 percent of their seatbelts work, he said.
     
    The answer we heard was, Were on a journey, were doing better, were almost there, Greenblatt continued. Thats not good enough.
     
    Reached for comment, Facebook emphasized its efforts to moderate harmful content, including banning specific white supremacist organizations and crafting policies against voter and census misinformation. This meeting was an opportunity for us to hear from the campaign organizers and reaffirm our commitment to combating hate on our platform, a Facebook spokesperson said. They want Facebook to be free of hate speech and so do we. Thats why its so important that we work to get this right.
     

  • btomba_77

    Member
    July 8, 2020 at 1:08 pm

    [b]Facebook Takes Down Network of Roger Stone Accounts[/b][/h1]  
    Facebook took down a network of more than 100 pages and accounts on Wednesday it said was affiliated with convicted felon and former Republican operative Roger Stone for coordinated inauthentic behavior dating back to around the 2016 election and its aftermath, the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/07/08/facebook-roger-stone/]Washington Post[/link] reports.
    Facebook officials said Stone, a longtime friend of President Trump and adviser to his first presidential campaign, used fake accounts and other deceptive measures to manipulate public debate. He also, in at least a small number of occasions, drew attention to posts made by anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks.

     

    • btomba_77

      Member
      July 11, 2020 at 3:34 am

      [b]Facebook Mulls Political Ad Blackout[/b][/h1]  
       
      Facebook is considering imposing a ban on political ads on its social network in the days leading up to the U.S. election in November, [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-10/facebook-considers-political-ad-blackout-ahead-of-u-s-election]Bloomberg[/link] reports.
       
      The potential ban is still only being discussed and hasnt yet been finalized A halt on ads could serve as a defense against misleading election-related content spreading widely right as people prepare to vote. Still, there are also concerns that an ad blackout could hurt get out the vote campaigns, or limit a candidates ability to respond widely to breaking news or new information.

       

      • btomba_77

        Member
        July 11, 2020 at 4:42 am

        [h1]Facebook bans content promoting ‘conversion therapy'[/h1]
        [link=https://news.yahoo.com/facebook-bans-content-promoting-conversion-therapy-201512513.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZHJ1ZGdlcmVwb3J0LmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAqUs4eEbISsUpad3M5dej8Ql07HlKhaujHDc8IrFWUXoS4buoW7TKFjvbbhFB3i9t42guc6RzPSKzfH1Ncl9_qdtEPBkNUQ89bmXZE5aKamwR5HQnBfxTGJnGylPj_E_e0iG8n1Ubg7fLftrfbsFhPiqhqioOhGo987iaA-cJ1G]https://news.yahoo.com/facebook-bans…hGo987iaA-cJ1G[/link]
         

    • ruszja

      Member
      July 11, 2020 at 5:01 am

      Quote from dergon

      [b]Facebook Takes Down Network of Roger Stone Accounts[/b]  
      Facebook took down a network of more than 100 pages and accounts on Wednesday it said was affiliated with convicted felon and former Republican operative Roger Stone for coordinated inauthentic behavior dating back to around the 2016 election and its aftermath, the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/07/08/facebook-roger-stone/]Washington Post[/link] reports.
      Facebook officials said Stone, a longtime friend of President Trump and adviser to his first presidential campaign, used fake accounts and other deceptive measures to manipulate public debate. He also, in at least a small number of occasions, drew attention to posts made by anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks.

       
      That’s like the vatican rehabilitating Galileo.
       
       
       
       
      This is all going to come back and bite us.
       
       

      • clickpenguin_460

        Member
        July 11, 2020 at 5:59 am

        All ads are meant to manipulate public opinion. That’s the point. Guess all ads for everything should be banned. Cant have people tricked into buying safeauto when its crap insurance, etc.

        • kayla.meyer_144

          Member
          July 11, 2020 at 6:42 am

          You feel manipulated by ads telling you not to smoke?

          Conflating everything into meaninglessness.

  • clickpenguin_460

    Member
    July 11, 2020 at 7:47 am

    Are you impervious to ad manipulation? Are you not manipulated to think a certain way by the news you watch and read?

    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      July 11, 2020 at 9:46 am

      Impervious, no. But buying that golf club or sneakers or car, etc because they make me a “better happier person” is not the same as being a bot “programmed” by the media how to think. After all, I can turn off Fox and Rush. 
       
      Am I manipulated to think a certain way?
       
      No. 
       
      There is a difference between media that reports things “as they see it” and media who deliberately leaves things out that counter their narrative, or worse, make up facts. Like the photos on Fox for example showing Trump’s inauguration as the biggest everrrrr. Oops, the photos showing those YUGE crowds were for some other event. A liberal one as I recall.
       
      So if you believe the fake photos, who is the fool? FOX for manipulating you or you for voluntarily being manipulated?
       
      Yes, there is a difference between how the right, center & left media see & interpret the same story, that’s NOT manipulation. Leaving salient facts out because they interfere with your “spin” or inventing facts or things like substituting photos that you know are fake is manipulation. Different honest opinions on the same story is not manipulation.
       
       

      • clickpenguin_460

        Member
        July 11, 2020 at 10:15 am

        I’m just saying legally they are the same. Should shut down all misleading ads for anti GMOs, anti vaccine, etc too if you’re going to shut down roger stones stuff. I’m just asking for the rules to be applied fairly across the spectrum.

        • kayla.meyer_144

          Member
          July 11, 2020 at 10:30 am

          The question is who is going to police the ads when for years now we’ve heard how the media and others keep censoring conservative opinions, which was the original rationale for Rush’s program and Fox News, etc. 
           
          Facebook & other social media, even ISP’s have argued they are not responsible for policing what their users post.
           
          Besides, these ads make tons of $$$ for corporations like Facebook so what is their incentive to police their content?
           
          You see these issues being played out in real time now.

          • kayla.meyer_144

            Member
            July 11, 2020 at 10:39 am

            Oops! Tuck Carlson’s chief writer caught for writing racist, bigoted posts under a pseudonym.
             
            [link=https://thehill.com/homenews/media/506887-tucker-carlsons-top-writer-quits-after-secretly-posting-racist-and-sexist]https://thehill.com/homen…ting-racist-and-sexist[/link]
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            [link=https://thehill.com/people/tucker-carlson]Tucker Carlson[/link][size=”0″]’s top writer for his Fox News show “Tucker Carlson Tonight” has resigned after it was discovered that he had been posting racist, bigoted remarks to an online forum for years using a pseudonym.[/size]
             
            Neff was Carlson’s top writer and worked at Fox for four years, having previously been employed at The Daily Caller, the conservative news outlet Carlson co-founded. Neff also worked as a reporter at The Hill under a fellowship in 2013 and 2014. A Fox News spokesperson confirmed to The Hill that Neff resigned.
             
            In a recent interview with Dartmouth’s alumni magazine, Neff elaborated on his integral role with the show and the influence it has nationally.
             
            [b]”Anything [Carlson is] reading off the teleprompter, the first draft was written by me,”[/b] he said. [b]”[i]We’re very aware that we do have that power to sway the conversation[/i], so we try to use it responsibly.[/b]

             
            Now, Tucker Carlson is a manipulator, if you need an example.

          • ruszja

            Member
            July 11, 2020 at 12:00 pm

            Quote from Frumious

            Facebook & other social media, even ISP’s have argued they are not responsible for policing what their users post.

             
            That’s how it is supposed to work. They are ‘platforms’, the posters are responsible for the content. That’s how Al Gore set it up when he invented the internet*, remember.
             
            No, it wasn’t Al Gore who set up that framework. That was whoever drafted 47 U.S.C. §230 and exempted platforms from responsibility for whatever contributors put on them. If they start editing and policing the content, they are now a publisher. So its not that the platform providers ‘argue’ that, it is in fact the law that this is the case.
             
             
             
             
            * [size=”1″]No, dear, that’s joke, he didn’t invent the internet. He invented hypocrisy.[/size]

            • kayla.meyer_144

              Member
              July 11, 2020 at 1:48 pm

              Gore gets so much blame for having done so little. Why do people hate Gore so badly I always wonder.
               
              But that aside, yes, the framers of the Internet(s) were naive like the American Founders believing in the inherent goodness and intelligence of users/voters. I do not think they thought this is the way is was supposed to work when they wrote the law. 
              Unforeseen consequences of no one being responsible. What could possibly go wrong?
               
              So be careful passing security cameras. That shot of you can be used in erectile dysfunction commercials on Facebook and Google, etc. Or worse.
               
              [link=https://reason.com/2020/06/05/47-u-s-c-]https://reason.com/2020/06/05/47-u-s-c-[/link]§-230-preempts-state-right-of-publicity-claims/
               

              Plaintiff is a newscaster [and co-anchor] who has worked for the Philadelphia-based Fox 29 news team since November 2010. Plaintiff alleges that “[a]pproximately two years ago, [she] discovered through her co- workers and managers, that, without her consent, a photograph of her taken by a security camera in a convenience store in New York City was being used in online advertisements for erectile dysfunction and dating websites.” :
              [ul][*]”[Her] photo was featured in a Facebook advertisement soliciting users to ‘meet and chat with single women.'” [*] [/ul] [ul][*]”[Her] photo was featured on Imgur under the heading ‘milf,’ which is a derogatory and degrading slang acronym that refers to a sexually attractive woman with young children.” [/ul] [ul][*]”[Her] photo was featured on Reddit titled ‘Amazing’ in the subgroup r/obsf (‘older but still $#^@able’) and posted by a user known as ‘pepsi_next.’ There is a hyperlink for the photograph which links to the Imgur site.” [/ul] [Title 47 U.S.C. § 230] states that “[n]o provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider,” and expressly preempts any state law to the contrary. In other words, internet service providers are not liable for third-party content. Section 230 “creates a federal immunity to any cause of action that would make service providers liable for information originating with a third-party user of the service.” [i]Zeran v. Am. Online, Inc.[/i], 129 F.3d 327, 330 (4th Cir. 1997); [i]see also Green v. Am. Online[/i], 318 F.3d 465, 470-71 (3d Cir. 2003). 

              This Court is persuaded by the reasoning in Perfect 10. State laws that could arguably be construed as implicating intellectual property vary and are not uniform in their purposes and policy goals. Conditioning CDA immunity on the diverse potentially applicable state laws would have a negative effect on the development of the internet, and, therefore, would run contrary to the purpose and intent of the CDA. As the Ninth Circuit noted in Perfect 10:
               
              While the scope of federal intellectual property law is relatively well-established, state laws protecting intellectual property, however defined, are by no means uniform. Such laws may bear various names, provide for varying causes of action and remedies, and have varying purposes and policy goals. Because material on a website may be viewed across the Internet, and thus in more than one state at a time, permitting the reach of any particular state’s definition of intellectual property to dictate the contours of this federal immunity would be contrary to Congress’s expressed goal of insulating the development of the Internet from the various state-law regimes.

              Accordingly, the Court holds that only federal intellectual property claims are excluded from the scope of CDA immunity, and for this reason, Plaintiffs statutory and common law right of publicity claims are barred by § 230(c) of the CDA..
               
              For the reasons discussed above, the Court will grant the respective Motions of Defendants Facebook, Imgur, and Reddit. An appropriate Order will follow.

              This law granting immunity is exactly why Facebook and others work so hard to keep the Feds out or writing new regulations that would remove that immunity.
               
               

              • btomba_77

                Member
                July 29, 2020 at 7:16 am

                [h2][link=https://politicalwire.com/2020/07/29/facebook-is-a-superspreader/]Facebook Is a Superspreader[/link][/h2]  
                 
                [i]Breitbart[/i] published a video this week in which a group of doctors claimed that face masks were unnecessary and that the drug hydroxychloroquine cured the virus.
                 
                According to NBC News reporter [link=https://twitter.com/BrandyZadrozny/status/1287925891532754949]Brandy Zadrozny[/link], the video has been going crazy in anti-vax, anti-mask, reopen Facebook Groups today. As of this morning, its at more than 20 million views on Facebook alone. And that doesnt include all the private groups its been spreading through.
                 
                There are many reasons why the United States is suffering through a worse virus outbreak than most rich countries. The lack of leadership from the president is obviously a big one. But the uncontrolled spread of false information is another. The end result is tremendous confusion among Americans about basic scientific facts that are widely accepted by medical experts.
                 
                Its true that Fox News, Sinclair and other conservative outlets have run stories promoting fake science or questioning the seriousness of the pandemic. But their reach is minuscule compared to Facebook.
                And while some argue Facebook is just a platform and has so many users it cannot possibly look at every post, thats no excuse.

                As [link=https://daringfireball.net/linked/2020/07/29/facebook-disinformation-video]John Gruber[/link] writes:

                [i]”Surely there are very few videos that reach this many people so quickly. A million views per hour is over 250 views per second. Its laughable to argue that Facebook isnt responsible for immediately taking notice of such a video. Think about a large casino. There might be thousands of people gambling at any moment. Casino management cant pay attention to them all. But if someone starts wagering at a pace of, say, $1 million per hourover $15,000 per minute, every minuteyeah, Id say casino management is going to take a close look at that person very quickly.[/i]
                [i]
                [/i]
                [i]Could be its on the up the up. The casino gambler might be an honest whale. The viral Facebook video might be a dog riding a skateboard. But if the gambler is an obvious cheat the casino is going to give them a tap on the shoulder within minutes. That ought to be the case for a harmful video on Facebook too.”

                [/i]
                But instead Facebook does nothing. Within just a few hours, a video containing false and even dangerous information can be seen by tens of millions of people.
                 
                In recent years, this has seriously hurt our ability to have free and fair elections. And now its literally killing people.
                 

                • ruszja

                  Member
                  July 29, 2020 at 7:22 am

                  Quote from dergon

                  [h2][link=https://politicalwire.com/2020/07/29/facebook-is-a-superspreader/]Facebook Is a Superspreader[/link][/h2]  

                  [i]Breitbart[/i] published a video this week in which a group of doctors claimed that face masks were unnecessary and that the drug hydroxychloroquine cured the virus.

                  According to NBC News reporter [link=https://twitter.com/BrandyZadrozny/status/1287925891532754949]Brandy Zadrozny[/link], the video has been going crazy in anti-vax, anti-mask, reopen Facebook Groups today. As of this morning, its at more than 20 million views on Facebook alone. And that doesnt include all the private groups its been spreading through.

                  There are many reasons why the United States is suffering through a worse virus outbreak than most rich countries. The lack of leadership from the president is obviously a big one. But the uncontrolled spread of false information is another. The end result is tremendous confusion among Americans about basic scientific facts that are widely accepted by medical experts.

                  Its true that Fox News, Sinclair and other conservative outlets have run stories promoting fake science or questioning the seriousness of the pandemic. But their reach is minuscule compared to Facebook.
                  And while some argue Facebook is just a platform and has so many users it cannot possibly look at every post, thats no excuse.

                  As [link=https://daringfireball.net/linked/2020/07/29/facebook-disinformation-video]John Gruber[/link] writes:

                  [i]”Surely there are very few videos that reach this many people so quickly. A million views per hour is over 250 views per second. Its laughable to argue that Facebook isnt responsible for immediately taking notice of such a video. Think about a large casino. There might be thousands of people gambling at any moment. Casino management cant pay attention to them all. But if someone starts wagering at a pace of, say, $1 million per hourover $15,000 per minute, every minuteyeah, Id say casino management is going to take a close look at that person very quickly.[/i]
                  [i]
                  [/i]
                  [i]Could be its on the up the up. The casino gambler might be an honest whale. The viral Facebook video might be a dog riding a skateboard. But if the gambler is an obvious cheat the casino is going to give them a tap on the shoulder within minutes. That ought to be the case for a harmful video on Facebook too.”

                  [/i]
                  But instead Facebook does nothing. Within just a few hours, a video containing false and even dangerous information can be seen by tens of millions of people.

                  In recent years, this has seriously hurt our ability to have free and fair elections. And now its literally killing people.

                   
                  We clearly need a ‘Ministry of Truth’ (Minitrue) to ensure that the subjects only receive properly vetted and approved information.

                  • Unknown Member

                    Deleted User
                    July 29, 2020 at 7:45 am

                    Its their right to spread misinformation

  • clickpenguin_460

    Member
    July 29, 2020 at 7:48 am

    Yep just like the ny times, wash post, and CNN. They spread misinformation daily and no one is trying to censor them

    • btomba_77

      Member
      August 1, 2020 at 5:17 am

      Twitter permanently bans David Duke for violations of ToS.

    • btomba_77

      Member
      August 1, 2020 at 5:17 am

      Twitter permanently bans David Duke for violations of ToS.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    August 3, 2020 at 12:25 pm

    [link=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-nancy-pelosi-doctored-video-no-takedown/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=95907502]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-nancy-pelosi-doctored-video-no-takedown/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=95907502

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    [h1][b]Another doctored video of Nancy Pelosi goes viral on Facebook, but company won’t take it down[/b][/h1] [b]
    [/b]
     
    Another doctored video of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is going viral on Facebook. The social media giant has not taken down the clip, despite having fact-checkers flag it as “partly false.” 
     
    The video, which was edited to have parts slowed down and sections cut out, shows Pelosi speaking at a May 20 news conference but makes it look as if she were impaired. The original [link=https://www.c-span.org/video/?472311-1/house-speaker-pelosi-news-conference]C-SPAN[/link] video of the event shows her answering questions without any issues. 
     
    The deceptively edited clip was shared nearly 80,000 times on Facebook, according to [link=https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/08/fact-check-video-does-not-show-nancy-pelosi-is-blowed-out-of-her-mind.html]Lead Stories[/link], a third-party partner of the social media company that does independent fact-checking. The site concluded on Sunday that the video was “digitally slowed down to make it appear as if Pelosi was intoxicated.” That analysis prompted Facebook to slap a “partly false” label in front of the video and to limit its distribution. 
     

    • clickpenguin_460

      Member
      August 3, 2020 at 1:00 pm

      Should they take it down?  What does “partly false” even mean in the world of the ban-hammer?

      • btomba_77

        Member
        August 5, 2020 at 6:32 pm

        [link=https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/8/5/21356348/trump-children-immune-covid-19-facebook-post-taken-down-misinformation-twitter]Facebook took down a Trump post for the first time [/link]

        • clickpenguin_460

          Member
          August 5, 2020 at 6:43 pm

          Kids 14 and under deaths:
          Covid – 45
          Influenza – ~150/year
          RSV – ~ 100-500/year
           
          They aren’t “immune” but they certainly aren’t very affected by it.  Especially when you consider that a lot more kids have had covid than get influenza or RSV in a year.
           
          It’s an exaggeration by Trump but removing the most without explaining that he’s mostly right is also bad.  It makes people think that it’s deadly to children.

          • Unknown Member

            Deleted User
            August 5, 2020 at 8:01 pm

            He should really quit lying

            Pretty sad when Facebook shuts you down

            • clickpenguin_460

              Member
              August 5, 2020 at 8:29 pm

              If that was the standard then the whole media would have be shut down.

              • kayla.meyer_144

                Member
                August 6, 2020 at 4:39 am

                No one does it like Donald does it.

                • clickpenguin_460

                  Member
                  August 6, 2020 at 7:32 am

                  [link=https://sharylattkisson.com/2020/07/50-media-mistakes-in-the-trump-era-the-definitive-list/]https://sharylattkisson.c…a-the-definitive-list/[/link]

  • btomba_77

    Member
    August 10, 2020 at 3:06 am

    [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/09/business/media/trump-facebook-google-twitter-misinformation.html?smid=tw-share]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/09/business/media/trump-facebook-google-twitter-misinformation.html?smid=tw-share

    [/link]
    How Pro-Trump Forces Work the Refs in Silicon Valley[/h1] [b]The new referees in American politics are Facebook, Google and Twitter, and they would be wise to pay attention to lessons the old media tried to learn.[/b]

    the referees who really matter nowadays are no longer the big media companies. The new referees are the Silicon Valley giants that control what we see when we search, browse or post online. But some in the news media learned lessons from back then, ones that Silicon Valley chief executives would be wise to reflect on this election season.
     
    The biggest one is about false balance, and false symmetry. The American right and left have never been mirror images of each other. Theyre different sorts of coalitions, with different histories and strategies.
     
    And in the Trump era, a specific kind of misinformation on social media is a central tactic of the right. President Trump says false and misleading things at a remarkable rate  more than 20,000 so far in his presidency, according to a [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2&tid=lk_inline_manual_2&tid=lk_inline_manual_3&tid=lk_inline_manual_4&tid=lk_inline_manual_2&itid=lk_inline_manual_2]Washington Post tracker[/link]  and a whole constellation of blogs and websites, like The Gateway Pundit, support and amplify that strategy.
     
    Facebook, Google and Twitter are making the same mistakes the news media made decades ago, looking for balance rather than confronting the plain reality of the moment.

    Thats what Mr. Pichai did in response to Mr. Steube, who didnt respond to an inquiry about what exactly had happened when, he said, hed been unable to find Gateway Pundit several months ago. Mr. Steube might have typed the URL wrong, or he might have been referring to a [link=https://twitter.com/searchliaison/status/1285656945077125121]moment[/link] in July when Google said a range of sites had search problems. Just a day before the hearing, to Gateway Pundits [link=https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/live-video-day-2-white-coat-summit-frontline-doctors-discuss-media-misinformation-treating-coronavirus/]fury[/link], the company said it was taking down a video about hydroxychloroquine, a drug that [link=https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-drugs-treatments.html]hasnt been proven[/link] to be effective in treating the coronavirus.
     
    But the C.E.O. of Google cant just come out and say, The signals your site is sending and fact-checks on your content have created a problem for our company, and therefore we down-rank it, said Joan Donovan, the research director of Harvards Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy. Admitting that humans are often at the helm of decisions to curate content implies they are a media company and not simply infrastructure.

    In fact, two people close to the Facebook fact-checking process told me, the vast bulk of the posts getting tagged for being fully or partly false come from the right. Thats not bias. Its because sites like The Gateway Pundit are full of falsehoods, and because the president says false things a lot.

    Thats the messy political reality not the sort of neat systemic answer that makes engineers comfortable. The global surge in misinformation isnt a matter of code, or an eternal political truth, or the structure of information. Its just how the social-media-fueled, right-wing populism of 2020 works. And while Google, Facebook and Twitter dance around to refuse saying it out loud for obvious regulatory reasons, it makes them look dishonest and, at times, as Mr. Frankel now says of his bosss accommodations, ridiculous.
     
    The act of working the refs, whether its a baseball player yelling about a close call at second base or a congressman grilling a C.E.O., forces the referee to doubt themselves even in cases that, in retrospect, are totally clear. 

    [/QUOTE]
     

  • mpezeshkirad_710

    Member
    August 11, 2020 at 4:47 am

    I give Zuck credit for blowing off the boycotters.  He said “they will come back”.

    • btomba_77

      Member
      August 15, 2020 at 4:01 am

      [link]https://youtu.be/Ut4kB5Do_EI[/link]

      [i]Meidas Touch [/i]ad using Hannity’s words twisted to seem like he is speaking negatively about Trump.

      Twitter has labelled it “manipulated media”

      ( I think that is reasonable)

      • btomba_77

        Member
        August 29, 2020 at 7:46 am

        The event by a Kenosha militia Facebook group calling for armed people to defend the city and “Shoot to kill” was flagged hundreds of times by users. It was responsible 66% of *all event reports* that day

        *four different* Facebook moderators decided not to take it down until after one of the participants shot three people

        • clickpenguin_460

          Member
          August 29, 2020 at 8:17 am

          Glad to see Twitter was trying to be fair for once.
           
          Also, “shoot to kill” and they didn’t take it down even though they’ve taken down other things way less than that…Interesting choice.
           
          I would hope that Facebook is going to start taking down all groups, calls to actions, etc. for both the right sided militias and the left sided rioters.   It seems like a lot of these things are organized online (on both sides) and removing that ability would be beneficial for everyone.

          • btomba_77

            Member
            September 3, 2020 at 4:30 am

            Facebook Will Ban Political Ads In Final Week[/h1]  
             
            Facebook will prohibit new political advertisements in the week before the U.S. presidential election in November and seek to flag premature claims of victory by candidates, the [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-to-limit-political-ads-week-before-election-label-premature-calls-11599130800?mod=djemalertNEWS]Wall Street Journal[/link] reports.
             
            The steps are meant to head off last-minute misinformation campaigns and limit the potential for civil unrest.

             

            • btomba_77

              Member
              September 3, 2020 at 5:08 am

              [link=https://www.axios.com/2020-election-gatekeepers-chaos-scenarios-84181512-1fca-4b84-8c10-e95e02e95f61.html?utm_campaign=organic&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=twitter]https://www.axios.com/202…amp;utm_source=twitter[/link]

              [b]Big Tech Companies meeting to ‘War Game’ Election Chaos scenarios[/b]

              Facebook, Google, Twitter and Reddit are holding regular meetings with one another, with federal law enforcement and with intelligence agencies to discuss potential threats to election integrity.
               
              Between March 1 and Aug. 1, Twitter practiced its response to scenarios including foreign interference, leaks of hacked materials and uncertainty following Election Day.
               
               The unprecedented war games show how the Bay Area tech giants are worried that the government doesn’t have the unprecedented COVID election under control, and are trying to protect their platforms against sinister efforts to game the outcome.

              Facebook has mapped out many possible scenarios, including the spread of misinformation in the crucial post-Election Day period.
              The company is also still considering new rules around candidates prematurely claiming victory, as CEO Mark Zuckerberg [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/business/media/election-coverage.html]told the New York Times[/link] last month.

              Twitter has also held similar war games, a spokesperson told Axios. Between March 1 and Aug. 1, the company practiced its response to scenarios including foreign interference, leaks of hacked materials and uncertainty following Election Day.

              Companies are reluctant to share the results of such exercises. It’s unclear just how far they’ll go, or be forced to go, to protect election integrity in the face of a sustained attack.[/QUOTE]
               

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