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  • Diffuse idiopathic pulmonary neuroendocrine cell hyperplasia (DIPNECH)

    Posted by Unknown Member on December 2, 2020 at 1:50 pm

    Diffuse idiopathic pulmonary neuroendocrine cell hyperplasia
    71 year old female. quite smiking 30+ years ago. Multiple lung nodules between 5-14 mm in diameter. No spiculation or cavitation. Unchanged for 6 years. No calcification, not hot on Pet.
     
    Anyone seen this? I haven’t until today.

    Unknown Member replied 3 years, 10 months ago 6 Members · 15 Replies
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  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    December 2, 2020 at 2:25 pm

    Only in a big academic center.
     
    You would want to look for mosaic attenuation and even better would be air-trapping on the expiratory phase if you have it.  Consider carcinoid if there are large dominant nodules. 
     
    RB-ILD would be a consideration in a former smoker if the nodules are upper lobe predominant.

    • Unknown Member

      Deleted User
      December 2, 2020 at 3:34 pm

      Quote from RadiologyTutor

      Only in a big academic center.

      You would want to look for mosaic attenuation and even better would be air-trapping on the expiratory phase if you have it.  Consider carcinoid if there are large dominant nodules. 

      RB-ILD would be a consideration in a former smoker if the nodules are upper lobe predominant.

      Didn’t see either but we didn’t do expiratory phase. Most carcinoids I have seen have been solitary. Nodules seemed too big for RB-ILD. I usually see ground glass centilobular nodules with RB-ILD.
       
      Thanks for the feedback.

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        December 2, 2020 at 4:45 pm

        If I was an academic chest radiologist 
         
        and discovered a new interstitial pneumonitis
         
        I’d find the words to make the abbreviation DIP-SHET

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        December 2, 2020 at 5:52 pm

        Quote from drad123

        Didn’t see either but we didn’t do expiratory phase. Most carcinoids I have seen have been solitary. 

         
        If you are sure there is no mosaic attenuation, it is unlikely to be DIPNECH.  Carcinoid is related to DIPNECH when there are larger dominant nodules since they are both neuroendocrine.
         
        You could get a HRCT (with expiratory phase) if not sure about the mosaicism.

        • Unknown Member

          Deleted User
          December 2, 2020 at 7:11 pm

          In most DIPNECH cases, upon examination of the lung tissue, the overgrowth of pulmonary neuroendocrine cells is seen along the small airways, with extension through the basement membrane of the bronchiolar epithelium leading to formation of carcinoid tumorlets. When the tumorlets become greater than 5mm in size they are considered bronchial carcinoids. Upon microscopic examination, the PNE cells have round, oval, or spindle nuclei with salt-and-pepper chromatin and clear or eosinophilic cytoplasm. -Travis, WD (2004). [i]World Health Organization Classification of Tumors. Pathology and Genetics of Tumours of the Lung, Pleura, Thymus and Heart[/i]. Lyon, France: IARC Press.
           
          I guess the nodules are carcinoids from the pathologist’s perspective.

          • Unknown Member

            Deleted User
            December 2, 2020 at 7:23 pm

            Is this related to Diffuse Idiopathic Pulmonary Somatic Hyperplastic Immune Therapy?

            • Ali.zavareh

              Member
              December 2, 2020 at 9:15 pm

              Nice article in most recent AJR about DIPNECH. Probably underdiagnosed, like most things chest ct related.

            • Unknown Member

              Deleted User
              December 3, 2020 at 7:28 am

              Quote from RadJedi

              Is this related to Diffuse Idiopathic Pulmonary Somatic Hyperplastic Immune Therapy?

              I googled this. Nothing came up.

              • Unknown Member

                Deleted User
                December 3, 2020 at 9:34 am

                It was a joke, look at the acronym it spells

                • Unknown Member

                  Deleted User
                  December 3, 2020 at 10:00 am

                   Guess I’m the DIP-SHET

                  • Unknown Member

                    Deleted User
                    December 3, 2020 at 10:51 am

                    This is an AM thread I can get behind, on all levels. Which makes it a real zebra.

                    • poymd25

                      Member
                      December 5, 2020 at 9:17 pm

                      Like a lot of “new things” e.g. CPFE, its actually not uncommon. As a FT chest radiologist, I see several biopsy-proven cases a year and many more presumptive cases (with typical features). Watch out for it!

                    • cytek1

                      Member
                      December 7, 2020 at 6:42 am

                      Why did nodules with six year stability get biopsied in the first place, or is this an existing diagnosis you just encountered?

                    • Unknown Member

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                      December 7, 2020 at 7:25 am

                      Quote from Valerian

                      Why did nodules with six year stability get biopsied in the first place, or is this an existing diagnosis you just encountered?

                      Existing diagnosis, previous biopsy. I was thinking metastasis until I saw the long term stability, then possible nodular pulmonary sarcoid or rheumatoid lung nodules.  Then I looked up the medical record. 

                    • Unknown Member

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                      December 7, 2020 at 7:14 am

                      Quote from turfwar

                      Like a lot of “new things” e.g. CPFE, its actually not uncommon. As a FT chest radiologist, I see several biopsy-proven cases a year and many more presumptive cases (with typical features). Watch out for it!

                      I do see findings like this. Didn’t know it was a distinct entity.