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  • Countries that welcome US radiologists

    Posted by loli.amaral_506 on September 25, 2020 at 10:00 am

    Which countries are currently the best for US expats to work in? 
    Canada Australia New zealand are ones that are talked about often. Anybody have any firsthand experience?

    Unknown Member replied 3 years, 9 months ago 12 Members · 21 Replies
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  • adrianfbailey_698

    Member
    September 25, 2020 at 2:17 pm

    Are you planning an escape?

    • sehyj1

      Member
      September 25, 2020 at 3:35 pm

      I also want to leave in order to avoid conscription into the next civil war

      • francomejiamurillo_751

        Member
        September 27, 2020 at 7:22 pm

        Quote from api7342

        I also want to leave in order to avoid conscription into the next civil war

        Guess you saw Social Dilemma?  Insane how social media is radicalizing everyone by trying to keep our attention as long as possible on their websites… very eye opening documentary and really explains the insanity the last few years…

        • suman

          Member
          September 27, 2020 at 10:08 pm

          Quote from Theforce111

          Quote from api7342

          I also want to leave in order to avoid conscription into the next civil war

          Guess you saw Social Dilemma?  Insane how social media is radicalizing everyone by trying to keep our attention as long as possible on their websites… very eye opening documentary and really explains the insanity the last few years…

          Regarding Social Dilemma, even on AuntMinnie which doesn’t have Facebook-style ML tailored content, people become polarized and show their worst side they would never expose in real life. Social media is a super-stimulant that acts on our primal instincts in a way which we haven’t evolved to deal with. Similar to sugar and obesity. Interesting phenomenon, glad people are starting to talk about it. I’m betting that 10 years from now, for the sake of preservation of the “free” societies, internet communities will be regulated in a way that forbids anonymized discourse and algorithmic content feeds.

          • francomejiamurillo_751

            Member
            September 30, 2020 at 6:24 pm

            Quote from avocado

            Quote from Theforce111

            Quote from api7342

            I also want to leave in order to avoid conscription into the next civil war

            Guess you saw Social Dilemma?  Insane how social media is radicalizing everyone by trying to keep our attention as long as possible on their websites… very eye opening documentary and really explains the insanity the last few years…

            Regarding Social Dilemma, even on AuntMinnie which doesn’t have Facebook-style ML tailored content, people become polarized and show their worst side they would never expose in real life. Social media is a super-stimulant that acts on our primal instincts in a way which we haven’t evolved to deal with. Similar to sugar and obesity. Interesting phenomenon, glad people are starting to talk about it. I’m betting that 10 years from now, for the sake of preservation of the “free” societies, internet communities will be regulated in a way that forbids anonymized discourse and algorithmic content feeds.

             
            Totally agree.  Without social network regulation, everyone gets more and more radicalized, I wouldn’t be surprised if civil war happened.  It’s just something we never anticipated with facebook, youtube, twitter, etc
             
             
            Anyway, back to the topic.  I have heard of a couple rads working in NZ, but they were working in a very small town.  
             
             

          • carlosadube

            Member
            October 1, 2020 at 4:58 am

            +1

            • Unknown Member

              Deleted User
              October 1, 2020 at 10:34 am

              Seems like I see recruiters for rural NZ a lot. But it sounds like they kick you out after 6 months so its not like youre a permanent resident or citizen.

        • Unknown Member

          Deleted User
          September 28, 2020 at 7:52 am

          Quote from Theforce111

          Quote from api7342

          I also want to leave in order to avoid conscription into the next civil war

          Guess you saw Social Dilemma?  Insane how social media is radicalizing everyone by trying to keep our attention as long as possible on their websites… very eye opening documentary and really explains the insanity the last few years…

          ^^ yes, a must see.
          “[b]Social Dilemma[/b]…  Insane how social media is radicalizing everyone by trying to keep our attention as long as possible on their websites… very eye opening” 

          • Unknown Member

            Deleted User
            September 28, 2020 at 1:03 pm

            Back to the topic at hand… it is possible to work in Canada, Aus, NZ but you’ll need to fill a need they have- often times more rural areas (think cold in Canada) and often times doing general work including mamms and “light ir”. Bar seems higher to work in European system. You may also need to be proctored or sponsored by a local rad for a set time and then take their licensing exams.

            • bradford.gildon

              Member
              September 28, 2020 at 5:25 pm

              It seems even the closest one, canada, has a set of requirements that might be too much to be practical. Whether you have to take their version of usmle or their boards, that’s just not something you do unless you are wanted for murder or child support here and that demand will magically disappear if u move to canada.

              I was thinking of developing countries. Where you would move not so much to practice medicine, but to open your own business just because they might have fewer rules and regulations, less capital requirement. If you bought your own mri magnet in some developing country couldn’t you also consult people, give 2nd opinion, on actual imaging? In a lot of those countries, outpatient imaging centers are run by the same people who run mcdonalds franchise, so a radiologist investor would be a net positive there, unlike here.

              • bradford.gildon

                Member
                September 28, 2020 at 5:30 pm

                I googled price list for mri in some countries. In Ukraine it might cost you $40 to get mri done and read. But if its mri with contrast the price is doubled, because no discount for the contrast medication. I wouldn’t know how to make $$ or even break even with such prices, but I am still attracted to this idea of free market. In usa the business of medicine is very complicated and not necessarily better.

            • bradford.gildon

              Member
              September 29, 2020 at 5:01 am

              I’ve been thinking about opening my own mri magnet in a developing country for some time. Reasons below:
              1) in developing countries most mri are owned by general small business owners like mcdonalds franchises, I am much more qualified
              2) everything is paid for in cash. Yiu have a price list available before you get your mri, which costs an order of magnitude less than in usa and dont even have to deal with any govt agency or big insurance.
              3) costs are much less except for the mri machine itself.

              The only con is that this business is not profitable in developing countries because in free market people are willing to pay more cash for a dinner at a restaurant than a mri. Mcdonalds franchise is more profitable in developing countries. But mri is more interesting

            • bradford.gildon

              Member
              September 30, 2020 at 2:36 pm

              What about this idea: get a part-time job on a u.s. base in europe and work overnoght teleradiology for a u.s. hospital? You’re on u.s. territory if you set up your office on their base. Are there any u.s. bases in Germany or whatever that need a part-time radiologist?

    • loli.amaral_506

      Member
      September 25, 2020 at 6:07 pm

      [blockquote]Are you planning an escape?
       
      [/blockquote] i dont want to get into a discussion off topic and politics but i’ve always been interested in living abroad, now seems like a good time to think more in depth about it. 
       
      America’s time of hegemony has come and passed, depending on who wins in 2020 the further decline could either be slow or extremely rapid

      better to emigrate as a skilled worker than a refugee lol 

      • clickpenguin_460

        Member
        September 25, 2020 at 6:20 pm

        lol

        • reed.busse_466

          Member
          September 25, 2020 at 7:00 pm

          Canada is great!

          • ruszja

            Member
            September 25, 2020 at 7:21 pm

            This is funny. Really.

          • loli.amaral_506

            Member
            September 25, 2020 at 7:32 pm

            what province do you work in? how hard do you think it is to become a permanent resident?

            • Patrick

              Member
              September 25, 2020 at 9:09 pm

              YankeeDownUnder…

            • suman

              Member
              September 25, 2020 at 9:15 pm

              You can move anywhere as a US-trained specialist (doctor or engineer), because US has the highest quality of talent.
               
              The problem is you’d be giving up half of your income.

              • Patrick

                Member
                September 25, 2020 at 9:34 pm

                Avo, you are a smart guy, but you need to mind your denominators and consider relative prices and local realities.

                US pays for and maintains talent. Friedmans World is Flat thesis isnt wrong, but it aint totally right. In my lifetime, my job was to be disrupted by India/China, and now AI… I suspect and prepare for gov intervention. I know many radiology world wide, our pay and lifestyles are on par… I have the temporary benefit of the dollar.