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Coronavirus, politicaleconomic discussion
There’s already a smattering of discussion around. Figured it could use it’s own thread.
Looks like we’re now in the “pandemic in waiting” phase.
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[h1]Trump to Hold News Conference on Coronavirus[/h1]
President Trump confirmed he will be holding a news conference at 6 p.m. ET about the coronavirus outbreak.
He also took a swipe at the media: Low Ratings Fake News MSDNC (Comcast) & CNN are doing everything possible to make the Caronavirus look as bad as possible, including panicking markets, if possible. Likewise their incompetent Do Nothing Democrat comrades are all talk, no action. USA in great shape!
And yes, he spelled coronavirus wrong in his tweet[link=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1232652371832004608]tweet[/link].
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Other countries are going on lock downs but yeah it’s the media narrative. Wuhan looks positively crazy right now.
“I hope too many people don’t die before every American understands what an incredibly incompetent imbecile is our president — and a staff and a political party that are just as stupid and ignorant as he is. God help us all.” – Bruce Bartlett
pretty well said.
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Im old enough to remember when World War III with Iran was going to happen because we killed their murderous #2.
Take a deep breath. Wash your hands. Stay home if youre sick. The world will not end tomorrow, and tomorrow will bring a new crisis.
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“Old enough to remember?”
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Im old enough to remember when World War III with Iran was going to happen because we killed their murderous #2.
Take a deep breath. Wash your hands. Stay home if youre sick. The world will not end tomorrow, and tomorrow will bring a new crisis.
Yet we’re supposed to listen to “experts” who are just media indoctrinators and liars, when they prove time and again they know nothing, or fail in their deception time and time again.
The threads on this board are enough to legitimize support for Donald Trump, regardless of his flaws.
In other news, the alarmists probably can’t explain the 400 point rise today. I had a friend who shorted the S&P Friday, literally perfect timing. When the market went down again yesterday after a huge drop Monday, I asked him if he was going to get greedy — he said it’ll continue at least until Friday.
LOL, it seems that way today. Timing is key, but exiting is the hardest. You can do both, but man he showed again how hard it is for the average person to execute.
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Other countries are going on lock downs but yeah it’s the media narrative. Wuhan looks positively crazy right now.
“I hope too many people don’t die before every American understands what an incredibly incompetent imbecile is our president — and a staff and a political party that are just as stupid and ignorant as he is. God help us all.” – Bruce Bartlett
pretty well said.
If he ordered anything close to the measures the chinese are using to slow the virus, you would be calling him a fascist dictator. Can’t win.
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Other countries are going on lock downs but yeah it’s the media narrative. Wuhan looks positively crazy right now.
“I hope too many people don’t die before every American understands what an incredibly incompetent imbecile is our president — and a staff and a political party that are just as stupid and ignorant as he is. God help us all.” – Bruce Bartlett
pretty well said.
If he ordered anything close to the measures the chinese are using to slow the virus, you would be calling him a fascist dictator. Can’t win.
Like I said in the other thread … Trump has spent the last three years setting himself up to be blamed in a crisis.
He “can’t win” because he is a liar, has repeatedly shown that he holds no respect for experts, and acts like a capricious authoritarian.
So … cry me a river if Trump takes a hit should this all go sideways.
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“Experts”
Like those who predicted a Clinton landslide, and you.
He can’t win with people who are dishonest. That’s the reality. If you don’t like him, fine, but not taking accountability for slandering him or that things or bad, or worst of all, claiming that some bozo like Obama was any different politically, yet still had zero accomplishments and a bad economy — is funny.
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[h1]Trump to Hold News Conference on Coronavirus[/h1]
President Trump confirmed he will be holding a news conference at 6 p.m. ET about the coronavirus outbreak.He also took a swipe at the media: Low Ratings Fake News MSDNC (Comcast) & CNN are doing everything possible to make the Caronavirus look as bad as possible, including panicking markets, if possible. Likewise their incompetent Do Nothing Democrat comrades are all talk, no action. USA in great shape!
And yes, he spelled coronavirus wrong in his tweet
[link=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1232652371832004608]tweet[/link].
Easy-peasy, he is going to ban coronavirus. I mean it comes in bottles….from Mexico.
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Listening to financial news today:
Sounds like Chinese economy will contract in Q1. — That’s a drop from 6-ish% growth to negative something. That’s going to have a sizable knock-on to the US economy.?? Maybe 0.5% trimmed off ??
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Quote from dergon
Listening to financial news today:
Sounds like Chinese economy will contract in Q1. — That’s a drop from 6-ish% growth to negative something. That’s going to have a sizable knock-on to the US economy.
?? Maybe 0.5% trimmed off ??
It was already hard to get PCs quickly, and I was talking to the purchaser who said it’s now going to way harder as China shuts down parts suppliers.
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If only America had an authoritarian leader with a communist ideology, then this virus would be under control by now. Wait, China has an authoritarian leader with a communist ideology.
We should decouple our economy as much as possible from China. Its a bad thing to be so closely tied to such a regime.
Leaders always take flak, no matter what. Its the responsibility of the American people to question and criticize their leadership. And it is highly likely that in 4-6 weeks, the remains of this issue will be buried on the back pages (if mentioned at all) like Iran/WW3 is now. At which point the argument will be that Trump will have gotten lucky that time, and whatever new crisis being discussed in March/April will be the new new example of what a horrible president we have.
Ah well. Hmm. The above stock discussions are interesting. Anyone known how to tell what companies in different industries depend less on Chinese stuff and will be positioned to take advantage?-
Bush had 9-11 and and Katrina
Obama had the financial crisis
Every president has a crisis
Some handle them better than others
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Kpack,
True.
With respect, a suggestion I try to follow for evaluating a leaders response to a crisis is to have a set of objective criteria. There are a variety of crisis management resources out there by which one can obtain ideas for this. Questions like how is the leader communicating information about the situation and response to the public and so on.
The idea is that you, me, and pretty much everyone has their own biases and opinions that are going to color how one perceives any leaders response to a crisis. If you like the leader beforehand, you are predisposed to like how they deal with a crisis and defend them. If I disliked a leader beforehand, I am apt to criticize whatever their response to the crisis is.
So, to be intellectually honest and stimulate ones growth as an evaluator and hopefully as a leader oneself, it can be very helpful to research and gather these criteria beforehand, and then judge the leaders response accordingly.
This mitigates partisan bias and can actually help one to deal with crises in ones own life, as one puts oneself in the shoes of another and imagines how one would deal with a situation. Then when one actually has to deal with a bad thing, one has had some practice in crisis management.
A humble and respectful suggestion that I have found improves my workplace and daily life.-
I think you own conclusion must be that we should be at the extreme like in China. I’d settle for competence at a minimum. It’s very obvious the president has done things to unravel the mechanisms that would deal with something like a pandemic. It’s glaringly obvious his current DHS admin is not qualified for his position. The CDC is saying one thing and Trump is saying another. Based on what we’re seeing around the world, and from the CDC, I’d err on the side of the CDC. It’s just a matter of time.
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Excellent! Perfect demonstration.
List your criteria on why it is glaringly obvious that the DHS or Trump is doing a poor job. Plant your flag. I challenge you to be specific on how theyre messing up, the criteria you judge them by, and what you would do differently.
The Iran example is relevant. I did not see any objective criteria on criticism for that either.
So, it is intellectually dishonest to criticize whatever someone does with no standard beyond whether or not you like the person. Its America and you have a right to do so of course; Im simply going to call your BS.
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Trump appoints Vice President as leader of Covid-19 response.
Pence is now the King of Corona
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Quote from radgrinder
Excellent! Perfect demonstration.
List your criteria on why it is glaringly obvious that the DHS or Trump is doing a poor job. Plant your flag. I challenge you to be specific on how theyre messing up, the criteria you judge them by, and what you would do differently.
The Iran example is relevant. I did not see any objective criteria on criticism for that either.
So, it is intellectually dishonest to criticize whatever someone does with no standard beyond whether or not you like the person. Its America and you have a right to do so of course; Im simply going to call your BS.
Some of these things are listed above. So maybe read a little before being so sanctimonious.
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Nothing to fear
Trump said we are using the Indiana healthcare model to fight the spread of corona virus
And mike pence is real good at it
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Cant make this sheet up
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Trump being a liar is okay.
But we need to document each lie, say why it’s false, and then counter.
On an anonymous forum…
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Quote from kpack123
Nothing to fear
Trump said …
[h1]Trumps Disastrous Public Coronavirus Response[/h1]
[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-02-27/trump-coronavirus-press-conference-adds-to-political-risks]Jonathan Bernstein[/link]: Yes, he used his usual juvenile nicknames and petty insults for the Democrats hes going to have to work with. Yes, he blamed the stock market drop on Monday and Tuesday on wait for it the Democratic debate Tuesday night. Yes, he repeatedly praised himself for solving the problem (setting up a potential Mission Accomplished moment in the likely event the pandemic spreads in the U.S.) and had administration officials praise him as well. All entirely inappropriate and counterproductive.
But it was worse than that. He was at times barely coherent even for someone who knew what he was trying to say. I cant imagine what it was like for the bulk of the nation, folks who only sometimes pay attention to politics but might have tuned in because they want to be reassured that the government is on top of the problem. He must have been almost completely incomprehensible to them, rambling on about how he had recently discovered that the flu can kill lots of people and referring in a totally oblique way to the budget requests he had made to Congress and their reaction. He occasionally said something that sort of made sense, but mostly? Not.
At no time over the course of the news conference did Trump supply evidence that he had any idea what he was talking about.
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OMG! “Incoherent!?” Did you hear him talk? Rambling on and on repeating his pat phrases & bigly words in a confused manner like someone suffering from hypoglycemia. They finally escorted him away from the microphone & put Pence there to speak.
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Pelosi as usual is right on this one
Trump doesnt know WTF he is talking about
Hopefully he just turns it over to the CDC and stays the F away from this
Incompetent fng boob
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Stay away? He can’t even sound rational reading from the teleprompter.
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I just saw a clip with a quote.
“Is this just like flu because people die of the flu and this is very unusual. It is a little bit different but in some ways it’s easier and in some ways it’s a little bit tougher”
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Sure, Fox News.
Kennedy had every opportunity to score additional political points. Earlier this week, he got a lot of good press for criticizing the administration official. So, it would have been very easy for Kennedy to score additional points by criticizing Trump directly. Easiest shot in the world.
He didnt take it. In this situation, Kennedy was an adult in the room and put what was good for the country ahead of an immediate and easy political win for him. Good for him. Truly. He deserves a lot of credit, and his response to Trumps conference seems very credible since it would have been so easy and beneficial to him to say something else.
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It was already hard to get PCs quickly, and I was talking to the purchaser who said it’s now going to way harder as China shuts down parts suppliers.
I ordered some 32GB DIMMs in january and now the delivery is pushed back to mid march.
The real crisis will hit once we run out of iphones.-
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It was already hard to get PCs quickly, and I was talking to the purchaser who said it’s now going to way harder as China shuts down parts suppliers.
I ordered some 32GB DIMMs in january and now the delivery is pushed back to mid march.
The real crisis will hit once we run out of iphones.Can you even imagine? The country will melt.
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[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/26/trump-puts-pence-in-charge-of-coronavirus-response-117790]https://www.politico.com/…avirus-response-117790[/link]
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“Look at the Indiana model, they have been very successful there, Trump said.
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We are all saved
In late 2014, health officials belatedly became aware of an HIV outbreak in Scott County, Indiana, The Nation reported in 2018. With fewer than 24,000 people, this rural county rarely saw a single new case in a year, according to The New York Times. But by the time government agencies tried to stop the transmission of the virus a few months later, some 215 people had tested positive.
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Reported to Heidi Przblyla, NBC, March 27, 6:30 PM est, Democratic Governors begging for ventilators.
“I want them to be appreciative,”Trump says of Governors critical of the federal response.
Reality on ground in Michigan:
—PPE delivery covers one shift at ground zero hospital
—Private orders for N-95 masks yet to arrive
—Asked Trump for 2000 vents, received none.
I know there were rabid right wing supporters on this thread for years. Where are they with this now?
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Like I said in the other thread … Trump has spent the last three years setting himself up to be blamed in a crisis.
He “can’t win” because he is a liar, has repeatedly shown that he holds no respect for experts, and acts like a capricious authoritarian.
So … cry me a river if Trump takes a hit should this all go sideways.
I am not crying for Trump. I am pointing out that you would exploit his reaction for political gain regardless of what that reaction is.
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And I’m pointing out that is no different from any other political leader in a crisis… and that Trump has set himself up for it
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Things the Trump admin has done that would seem to be about to bite us in the rear end.
[ul][*]Shutting down the entire global-health-security unit of the National Security Council.[*]Eliminating the US government’s $30 million Complex Crises Fund.[*]Reducing national health spending by $15 billion.[*]Consistently attacking Mark Green, the director of the US Agency for International Development. [/ul]
[link=https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-cuts-programs-responsible-for-fighting-coronavirus-2020-2]https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-cuts-programs-responsible-for-fighting-coronavirus-2020-2[/link]
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Quote from radgrinder
Excellent! Perfect demonstration.
List your criteria on why it is glaringly obvious that the DHS or Trump is doing a poor job. Plant your flag. I challenge you to be specific on how theyre messing up, the criteria you judge them by, and what you would do differently.
You nailed him, he’s too dense to even realize he is proving your point. I’ve literally done this to dozens of people.
Trump Derangement Syndrome patient:
“Trump XYZ he does this, stupid that, he’s incompetent, he’s the worst, what an idiot!”
– “Oh yeah, can you tell me how you came to that conclusion, with actual facts or evidence?”
“Everybody knows!”
– “Evidence, facts, then conclusion based on these, please.”
[crickets] … [walks away grumbling, gesturing, or yelling into the air meaninglessly]-
House Bill HR 748 Is the Coronovirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act, The CARES Act, was the work of the Democrats that was sent to the US Senate to be NEGOTIATED with Mitch McConnell and his partisan Senate. When you negotiate you have to bring something to the table and the Dems brought a truckload of possible collateral, ie, everything they wanted. The Republicans did the same.
This is how you must negotiate with McConnells Senate. They never give an inch. They never concede to ANYTHING for the good of the country or for the good of the people. They trade whatever they have that will help them achieve a goal to maintain power, make private corporations rich and cut taxes on the wealthy.
Congress had to stop the economic freefall so they all came to the table ready to negotiate. Sure, nothing on your list looks relative to the final outcome. The GOP was demanding $500 billion bailout for cruise ships who were not even registered for business in the USA (to avoid taxes). The GOP got no bailiout for that because they gave it up0 in negotiation.
The GOP also wanted bailouts for small businesses, no oversight, no strings attached, just hand every business a handful of millions. The Dems were demanding oversight and to make these loans, not handouts. BTW, a small business can have hundreds of employees.
The Democrats demanded oversight and put stipulations that every business that took that no interest load had to keep their employees on the payroll until the loan was paid back. When you consider this is a bailout of small businesses that have no employee benefits like sick leave, vacation leave, cannot guarantee the company will still be in business next year, and all the other uncertainty that comes with a business, its a good deal because its a free loan for the duration of this crisis.
This is how they make the sausage. Its a bipartisan bill meaning BOTH SIDES agreed.
Then the photo-op and lies commence and Trump takes credit for the whole thing.
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Trumpers have a rumor that DJT gives out personal checks at rallies and writes checks to people in need. The photo-op of him signing the bill worked out in the House and fought over in the Senate , was staged to be all about him of course. Then he demanded his own signature be on all IRS stimulus checks , the CARES Act Pelosi and the Dems fought so hard to get. All hail Trump.
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So “when” the pandemic hits, what about all those people who have no healthcare insurance, what are they going to do? Not get care? And if they do go to ED’s, get hit with massive bills?
And what about immigrants? Especially undocumented people? They are not likely to get treatment at all.
This might uncover the massive underbelly of the argument against providing affordable universal healthcare to everyone. And especially providing no care outside of EMTALA to undocumented people.-
Excellent interview with Joe Kennedy here. He does a good job of breaking down how Trump is responding. Remember, Kennedy earlier this week was the one criticizing the administrations health official.
And amazingly, Kennedy points out that Pelosi and Schumer are politicizing this virus and that that is not appropriate. Wow, good for Kennedy. Good for him. Thats great leadership, prioritization of the safety of American citizens over trying to score points on every crisis.
[link=https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-kennedy-trump-coronavirus-press-conference]https://www.foxnews.com/m…virus-press-conference[/link]
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foxnews.com?-
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Are you ****ing serious?
foxnews.com?
classic example of what was stated… you can’t think for yourself, so you go to sites you agree with and stump for them and those you perceive to be your enemies, you use emotional rejection
not facts and conclusions, another great example of the modern, hack (lemming) political mind
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“Joe” Kennedy?
The 1st thing you display is your total ignorance of everything, grinder.
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I do hope Pence knows what hes getting into.
Like all viruses, this one has an incubation period. So even if the administration put every American into their own personal plastic bubble today, the number of cases is still going to rise for awhile as the asymptomatic infected become symptomatic.
Meanwhile, every story of a new case will be used to hammer the leader of the response.
It will be interesting to see the messaging.
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[link=https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/484903-cdc-declined-to-test-new-coronavirus-patient-for-days-california-hospital]CDC declined to test new coronavirus patient for days, California hospital says[/link]
now the CDC will have to revise its testing guidelines … which likely means that the number of reported US cases will spike
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Honestly politics aside
Trump should just stay away and let the CDC and medical experts run this show
He is ignorant about medical/health related issues and he is not capable of making evidenced base decisions
He goes with his gut
Hopefully he stays away and lets the big boys run this show
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Quote from kpack123
Honestly politics aside
Trump should just stay away and let the CDC and medical experts run this show
Yep, they don’t need help, the experts can fork it up all by themselves:
[link=https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/484903-cdc-declined-to-test-new-coronavirus-patient-for-days-california-hospital]https://thehill.com/polic…ys-california-hospital[/link]
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I see you are reassured with the Indiana model
Good for you sherlock
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Again the Indiana model
With fewer than 24,000 people, this rural county rarely saw a single new case in a year, according to The New York Times. But by the time government agencies tried to stop the transmission of the virus a few months later, some 215 people had tested positive.
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Again the Indiana model
With fewer than 24,000 people, this rural county rarely saw a single new case in a year, according to The New York Times. But by the time government agencies tried to stop the transmission of the virus a few months later, some 215 people had tested positive.
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Quote from kpack123
Honestly politics aside
Trump should just stay away and let the CDC and medical experts run this show
He is ignorant about medical/health related issues and he is not capable of making evidenced base decisions
He goes with his gut
Hopefully he stays away and lets the big boys run this show
I’m to understand he cut back at the CDC, specifically the experts that would handle this kind of virus.
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I do hope Pence knows what hes getting into.
Like all viruses, this one has an incubation period. So even if the administration put every American into their own personal plastic bubble today, the number of cases is still going to rise for awhile as the asymptomatic infected become symptomatic.
Meanwhile, every story of a new case will be used to hammer the leader of the response.
It will be interesting to see the messaging.
Future Pence press conference will look something like this:
[img]https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/004/130/bagdad-bob.gif[/img]-
Trump
Was a blubbering fng idiot last nightHe should have just shut up because he tanked the markets even worse
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Not to worry, even with massive CDC cutbacks, the government can hire all the doctors it needs. And then fire them when no needed anymore. Doctors are like any “seasonal” commodity item on the shelf for example, you stock up when you need them & clear the shelves when not. After all, we don’t want doctors getting paid for idling around picking their noses doing nothing, do we?
So says Trump. He’s a business person. Very successful, “many people say.” Nothing to see here.
[link=https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-defends-huge-cuts-to-the-cdc-e2-80-99s-budget-by-saying-the-government-can-hire-more-doctors-e2-80-98when-we-need-them-e2-80-99-during-crises/ar-BB10tlE7]https://www.msn.com/en-us…ing-crises/ar-BB10tlE7[/link]
President Trump defended his huge budget cuts to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [link=https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1232826297237278720]during[/link] a Wednesday press conference on the federal government’s response to the coronavirus.
He maintained that it was easy to bolster the public health agency, and cited his business approach towards running the federal government.
[b]”I’m a businessperson, I don’t like having thousands of people around when you don’t need them,” Trump said. “When we need them, we can get them back very quickly.” [/b]
[b]The president said that some of the experts targeted by the cuts “hadn’t been used for many years,” and that additional federal money and new medical staffers could be obtained swiftly since “we know all the good people.” [/b]
The remarks come amid warnings from CDC experts that the virus’ spread in the US was “inevitable” and urged Americans to prepare. But the Trump administration [link=https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-cuts-programs-responsible-for-fighting-coronavirus-2020-2?utm_source=msn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=msn-story&utm_campaign=bodyurl]has spent the last two years[/link] gutting critical positions and programs that health experts say weakened the federal government’s ability to manage a health crisis.
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Pelosi is so right
He has no idea what he is talking about
He sounded like A blubbering idiot last night
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Pelosi is so right
Classic kpack, only he would say something as silly as this
I can’t think of one thing Pelosi has said that is “right” or accurate even, for years.
“Trump won’t win, I guarantee it.” What a great one. Shall I post the video? Maybe you guys will finally see someone provide evidence for something if I do.
“You have to pass it to see what’s in it”
Again, normal and sane thinkers like us actually make conclusions based off of facts and evidence, not our hot flashes and PMS.
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And apparently we will pay for fighting the virus by cutting home heating aid to the poor.
Thank you poor people for your sacrifice. Wear your sweaters now.
I mean, after tax cuts we just don’t have enough money to pay for healthcare.
Since taking office, the Trump administration has slashed taxes [link=https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/05/us-tax-revenue-dropped-sharply-due-to-trump-tax-cuts-report.html]by hundreds of billions of dollars[/link], while increasing the Defense Departments annual budget [link=https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/afghanistan-papers-ndaa-congress-defense-bill.html]by $130 billion[/link] (a sum more than large enough to cover the costs of [link=https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/10/there-are-better-ways-to-spend-usd1-5-trillion-than-tax-cuts.html]tuition-free public college and paid family leave[/link]).
The plan from House Democrats is likely to include as much as $2.5 billion or potentially more, but Democrats want [i]all [/i]of it appropriated as new emergency funding rather than taken from other sources, a Democratic aide tells us.
This $37 million might seem relatively small, but Mark Wolfe, the executive director of the National Energy Assistance Directors Association, which oversees state LIHEAP program directors, says it could have real impact.
Winter is far from over, and we need every dollar to help poor families, Wolfe told us. $37 million for example is enough to help close to 750,000 families. There is absolutely no good reason why programs designed to help poor families should be sacrificed to address the virus.”
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Remember that as anti-Trump as one may be, we are rooting for him here.
If he does well, more people survive. If people die, its not a thing to be celebrated because it helps a political perception of bad Trump.
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You never fail to amaze me, I am sorry to say.
By pointing out that your car’s brake lines are leaking and could be a problem because you spent the repair money on some new fuzzy dice does not mean anyone is “rooting” for you to have a fatal accident. Warning someone about dysfunctional decisions usually means that the warning is trying to improve the situation, not cheering on for people’s deaths or injury.
We have a dysfunctional president making dysfunctional decisions for idiotic reasons.
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You never fail to amaze me, I am sorry to say.
By pointing out that your car’s brake lines are leaking and could be a problem because you spent the repair money on some new fuzzy dice does not mean anyone is “rooting” for you to have a fatal accident. Warning someone about dysfunctional decisions usually means that the warning is trying to improve the situation, not cheering on for people’s deaths or injury.
We have a dysfunctional president making dysfunctional decisions for idiotic reasons.
I assume you are not one of the physicians who will be “On-call” for the CDC.
Would you extend your statement to say that warning someone about dysfunctional decisions in an effort to improve the situation is also not an indication that the person providing the warning is a racist, an idiot, or a variety of other pejoratives?
If so, then we just had the breakthrough of the year.-
Some things are above your pay grade and abilities.
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Sooooo… all the professional medical staffing working around trump within our government, providing medical advice and situations, meetings with outside sources. All those medical people are idiots as well? They are on Trumps side? Yet, Poopsi and Schmukker have not talked to nor have attended any meetings per John Barraso, Doctor and Senator as of yesterday. And yet, They want to tell us how things should go? Hey Libertards, follow those idiots advice and everyone of you will get the Darwin Award after you are buried.
I love it when non medical geeks, know all about Processes wthin our Medical systems but never have done it.-
Sorry should have said, [i][b]Non Clinical Geeks[/b][/i]. You know.. the ones that have never been crapped on, spit on, thrown up on, bleed upon or actually touched a patient. That’s like saying Hilary was a Tech Geek.
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[b]Quote of the Day [/b]
Its going to disappear. One day its like a miracle, it will disappear.
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Frumi,
Figures.
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Remember that as anti-Trump as one may be, we are rooting for him here.
If he does well, more people survive. If people die, its not a thing to be celebrated because it helps a political perception of bad Trump.
This is why one has to choose sides at this point. The left is that diseased and demonic. There is no other choice, even though they will die in their rebellion, destructive chaos, and failure.-
Just cut the sheet everyone knows you are an alias of Nostradumbarse and no one pays attention to you
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Tangent question.
How does this affect ones view of travel bans? A terrorist ideology infecting a person can lead to American deaths just as surely as a virus.
If we lockdown our borders vs people coming from infected countries, does this also apply to people coming from countries with an ideology dangerous to the US?
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Like Norway with its Socialism?
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Seems like the paranoia is strong these days around Off Pol
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[h1]Mulvaney: Coronavirus to Cause Disruptions[/h1]
Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney acknowledged that the coronavirus is likely to cause disruptions to everyday life, such as school closures and changes to public transportation, [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-28/virus-could-disrupt-u-s-schools-transportation-mulvaney-says]Bloomberg[/link] reports.
Said Mulvaney: Are you going to see some schools shut down? Probably. Maybe see impacts on public transportation? Sure, but we do this. We know how to handle this.
He added: Really what Id like to do today to calm the markets is tell people to turn their televisions off for 24 hours.
Mulvaney also claimed that the media is only covering the virus because they believe doing so will take down the president.
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Floating around my social media:
“Don’t worry everyone. The President who told us to rake the forests to prevent wildfires, wanted to waterbomb the Notre Dame cathedral, and suggested nuking a hurricane, definitely has this coronavirus thing under control.”
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Sometimes Krugman gets on my nerves … but this one …. hits the nail on the head.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html?fbclid=IwAR12AYufe555IBj7v1BBvfoqcig_-fo4g0UGCQlDRCOe8dAMriBvYP2HIok]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html?fbclid=IwAR12AYufe555IBj7v1BBvfoqcig_-fo4g0UGCQlDRCOe8dAMriBvYP2HIok
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When a Pandemic Meets a Personality Cult[/h1] [b]The Trump team confirms all of our worst fears.[/b]
So, heres the response of the Trump team and its allies to the coronavirus, at least so far: Its actually good for America. Also, its a hoax perpetrated by the news media and the Democrats. Besides, its no big deal, and people should buy stocks. Anyway, well get it all under control under the leadership of a man who doesnt believe in science.
From the day Donald Trump was elected, some of us worried how his administration would deal with a crisis not of its own making. Remarkably, weve gone three years without finding out: Until now, every serious problem facing the Trump administration, from trade wars to confrontation with Iran, has been self-created. But the coronavirus is looking as if it might be the test weve been fearing.
And the results arent looking good.…
Financial markets evidently dont agree that the virus is a hoax; by Thursday afternoon the Dow was off more than 3,000 points since last week. Falling markets appear to worry the administration more than the prospect of, you know, people dying. So Larry Kudlow, the administrations top economist, made a point of declaring that the virus was contained contradicting the C.D.C. and suggested that Americans buy stocks. The market continued to drop.
…On Wednesday Trump held a news conference on the virus, much of it devoted to [link=https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/27/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-press-conference/index.html]incoherent jabs[/link] at Democrats and the media. He did, however, announce the leader of the government response to the threat. Instead of putting a health care professional in charge, however, he handed the job to Vice President Mike Pence, who has an interesting relationship with both health policy and science.
Early in his political career, Pence staked out a distinctive position on public health, declaring that smoking [link=https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-coronavirus-science-hiv-aids-smoking-evolution-climate-change-1489458]doesnt kill people[/link]. He has also repeatedly insisted that evolution is just a theory. As governor of Indiana, he blocked a needle exchange program that could have prevented a [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/27/mike-pence-hiv-indiana/]significant H.I.V. outbreak[/link], calling for prayer instead.
And now, according to The Times, [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/us-coronavirus-pence.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes]government scientists[/link] will need to get Pences approval before making public statements about the coronavirus.…
So [b]the Trumpian response to crisis is completely self-centered, entirely focused on making Trump look good rather than protecting America. If the facts dont make Trump look good, he and his allies attack the messengers, blaming the news media and the Democrats while trying to prevent scientists from keeping us informed. And in choosing people to deal with a real crisis, Trump prizes loyalty rather than competence.[/b]
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Maybe Trump and America will be lucky, and this wont be as bad as it might be. But anyone feeling confident right now isnt paying attention.[/QUOTE]
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Trump looking for his ruby slippers…
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/media/485147-rep-garamendi-nih-director-fauci-cancelled-on-five-sunday-talk-shows-after]NIH Director Fauci cancelled on five Sunday talk shows after Pence’s office ‘took over’
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Rep. [link=https://thehill.com/people/john-garamendi]John Garamendi[/link] (D-Calif.) on Friday said the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases was told to “stand down” and not appear on five Sunday morning talk shows to discuss the coronavirus.
Garamendi told MSNBC’s Hallie Jackson that that Anthony Fauci was scheduled to do all five major Sunday talk shows, but says Fauci canceled the appearances after Vice President Pence took over the administration’s response to the disease.
Trump on Wednesday named Pence as the official overseeing the government’s response.
“I can repeat what he said, he said, ‘I was not muzzled. However, I was to go on the Sunday talk shows five of them. The vice presidents office then took over the control of this situation, and told me to stand down, not to do those shows,'” Garamendi said, quoting Fauci.
“Now, you can draw your own conclusions whether he was muzzled or not, but clearly he was scheduled to do Sunday talk shows and he was not to proceed with that,” the congressman added.
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Many many people are saying trumps stupid blubbering the other day have caused the markets to sell off even more
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From the administration’s actions and reactions, we have nothing, zero to worry about COVID-19. Rush says it was manufactured – “weaponized” by the Chinese to attack America and the economy. Then in the next breath it is nothing more than the common cold. Fox following that line of argument. The administration says CNN and Democrats are behind the “alarmism” about the virus, there really is nothing to see here.
With the CDC cuts and explanations of such and how they will react to infections with “docs on call” shows the administration is more concerned with the November election than with preparing to ensure American health.
Let’s get Donald back up to the microphones to assure the nation again with his calming voice. The Wall will keep the infection out! But it’s only a common cold anyway. No worries. Except about the election.
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if by “many” you mean “stupid”, Yes.
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A Once-In-a-Century Pandemic?[/h1]
Bill Gates, writing in the [link=https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2003762?fbclid=IwAR2vVaUb77sWgg_EpxsBVIBJk91gJKemiGCtvIOtV_SqjwIvmxvHvF1rzJA]New England Journal of Medicine[/link]:
In the past week, Covid-19 has started behaving a lot like the once-in-a-century pathogen weve been worried about. I hope its not that bad, but we should assume it will be until we know otherwise.
There are two reasons that Covid-19 is such a threat. First, it can kill healthy adults in addition to elderly people with existing health problems. The data so far suggest that the virus has a case fatality risk around 1%; this rate would make it many times more severe than typical seasonal influenza, putting it somewhere between the 1957 influenza pandemic (0.6%) and the 1918 influenza pandemic (2%).
Second, Covid-19 is transmitted quite efficiently. The average infected person spreads the disease to two or three others an exponential rate of increase. There is also strong evidence that it can be transmitted by people who are just mildly ill or even presymptomatic.
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First US death in Washington and spread to to 3 other people.
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Best thing trump can do now is just let the experts give daily briefings
Every time he talks about corona virus he looks like a blubbering idiot
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Im flying and cant see Trumps press conference today
Is it with Fauci and other experts? Or just Trump? Or the Mnuchin Kudlow crew?
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It was a smattering of Afghan peace deal. Also the first death and travel restrictions.
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Trump proposing a tax cut in the face of COVID-19 pandemic.
Boy, am I relieved. Something that actually addresses the problem. Not to mention refunding everyone’s 10%+ decline in investments.
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Blubbering idiot
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The administrations response and messaging is improving. Seem to be moving past the stage of fumbling in the dark with unknowns and into the stage of getting a handle on things. Encouraging.
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Yes
The its another hoax line is a major improvement
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To clarify.
Trump did not say the virus itself was a hoax.
Trump said that the Democratic politicization of the administrations response of the virus was their new hoax/line of attack, akin to Russia and Ukraine.
So of course various news outlets took the opportunity to say that Trump said the virus was a hoax, proving the point.
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[link=https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/02/28/trump-south-carolina-rally-coronavirus-118269]https://www.google.com/am…lly-coronavirus-118269[/link]
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The Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. They’re politicizing it, he said. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa. No, they can’t. They can’t count their votes. One of my people came up to me and said, Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia. That did not work out too well. They could not do it. They tried the impeachment hoax.
Then Trump called the coronavirus their new hoax.
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Mick Mulvaney (at CPAC): “Why didnt you hear about it? What was still going on four or five weeks ago? Impeachment, and thats all the press wanted to talk about.
The press was covering their [b]hoax [/b]of the day because they thought it would bring down the president. The reason youre seeing so much attention to it today is that they think this is going to be what brings down the president. Thats what this is all about.
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This is really interesting, actually.
You only did a partial quote of what Trump said. Then you said, then Trump called the coronavirus their new hoax.
You started with a quote, and then stopped quoting and switched to a paraphrase of the what you believe is the money shot.
This is a great example of cognitive bias in action. If Trump said the virus was a hoax, why didnt you quote him?
I dont think this is intentional btw. Its just really interesting to watch intelligent people tweak reality to make it seem like what theyre biased to see is actually happening.
Now to watch the tweak of the tweak. Ive got popcorn ready. Go!
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Libbies paraphrasing what Trump said to make it sounds like what they want? Never happens! Hopeless, impossible to have an honest conversation with them.
Here is the full quote for posterity.
Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. Coronavirus. Theyre politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs, you say, Hows President Trump doing? They go, Oh, not good, not good. They have no clue; they dont have any clue. They cant even count their votes in Iowa. They cant count their votes!
One of my people came up to me and said, Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia. That didnt work out too well. They couldnt do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything, they tried it over and over. Theyve been doing it since you got in. Its all turning, they lost, its all turning. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.
But you know, we did something thats been pretty amazing. We have 15 people in this massive country, and because of the fact that we won early, we won early, we couldve had a lot more than that. Were doing great. Our country is doing so great. We are so unified. We are so unified.
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So what exactly is the hoax?
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Basically trump wants to cry hoax then deny he said it
Many people think he is blubbering idiot
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(Munching popcorn and clapping)
Not bad, kpack! Quickly pivoted to blaming Trump for when people who dislike him misinterpret his words.
As stated in a previous post, the hoax is the politicization of the crisis and the characterization of the political response.
And then back to the blubbering idiot line, confirming that despite being shown an obvious and significant difference between reality and the reality created by cognitive bias, its better to retreat to the safety of what one knows rather than consider a different idea.
Did the same thing with Frumious a little while ago with the thing about calling people racists or idiots. Frumious couldnt break free either. It was indeed beyond my abilities.
This is really interesting.
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Politicizing the crisis????
You mean when trump blamed the democratic debate for the fall in the stock market???
Again trump wants his base to believe this is all a hoax……. then when called out he wants to deny he said it
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Quote from kpack123
Politicizing the crisis????
You mean when trump blamed the democratic debate for the fall in the stock market???
Again trump wants his base to believe this is all a hoax……. then when called out he wants to deny he said it
You mean Jeff Gundlach did, of doubleLine, which he in fact did do
Stop lying you clown, dergon already got exposed. But he’ll just keep posting tribal Marxist hit pieces on the president, since he can’t think for himself. Nothing new here, liars and deceivers, yawn. -
[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/28/house-coronavirus-trump-response-118121]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/28/house-coronavirus-trump-response-118121[/link]
Sure, heres an example of Democrats politicizing the issue. The Democrat in question was even criticized by members of her own party. Congresspeople arrived for a briefing on the virus itself, and were treated to a Democrat going on about how bad Trumps response has been.
My interpretation is that an important precondition for effectively managing this type of event is for people to have a baseline confidence in their government to handle it. No one actually expects any government to handle things perfectly from the get-go, because thats impossible and people usually characterize the federal government as not-that-smart in most other circumstances anyway. But people expect to be protected.
From Trumps perspective, he is most likely trying to do good things in protecting the country, in his own peculiar and narcissistic way. Dealing with an unknown, interacting with members of the administration that he hasnt really interacted with before since he hasnt faced an epidemic before. And also having just come off the impeachment experience, wherein Trump learned that he cant exactly trust other elements of the government to help him or even try not to hurt him.
So, hes trying to help manage the governments crisis response to save lives and protect the country, while fending off people who are trying to undermine him, spread misinformation, and otherwise use or mischaracterize the crisis to injure his administration politically.
Yeah…Trump has my support on this one. It can be tough being the leader, the guy in charge, the person who takes the heat no matter what one does. But hes definitely trying and obviously gives a damn in that peculiar way of his.
And so I give a lot more credit to people who are trying to help the administration and by extension the American people get through this, rather than those who view this as one more club to hammer Trump with for political benefit despite any negative consequences that might affect the American people as a result.
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Of course the Dems are politicizing this, who could possibly turn on the news and not realize this? Luckily AP did some fact checking (sorry if this has already been posted but it’s relevant now):
[link=https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104]https://apnews.com/d36d6c.e29f4d04beda3db00cb46104[/link]
“The broader point about there being nobody here to coordinate the response sells short whats in place to handle an outbreak.
The public health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation regardless of whos president or whether specific instructions are coming from the White House. Those plans were put into place in anticipation of another flu pandemic, but are designed to work for any respiratory-borne disease.
Among the health authorities overseeing the work are Dr. Anne Schuchat, CDCs principal deputy director and a veteran of previous outbreaks, and Dr. Anthony Fauci, NIHs infectious disease chief who has advised six presidents.”
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Which dems?
Still waiting for that
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He said this is their new hoax right? Maybe Im missing something. Sure looks like hes saying it is a hoax and he didnt offer any clarification. Ive seen him speak on many occasion. Blubbering idiot seems accurate. They can t keep blaming their image on everyone else. Trump admin being inept is earned.
Mike Pence went on TV and said something like the screened/tested 47000 people at airports. How is that? The virus is supposed to not exhibit symptoms right away. Are they testing with Test kits. Its just BS fluff. Also they have 15000 test kits. Thats 300 per state.
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“Did the same thing with Frumious a little while ago with the thing about calling people racists or idiots. Frumious couldnt break free either. It was indeed beyond my abilities.”
Of course you failed, stage 3 TDS has no known cure. But they say laughter is the best medicine! -
I understand you are talking to yourself
(Which is weird but for argument sake I will respond)
Give examples of democrats polititicizing this?
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Quote from over-caffeinated
“Did the same thing with Frumious a little while ago with the thing about calling people racists or idiots. Frumious couldnt break free either. It was indeed beyond my abilities.”
Of course you failed, stage 3 TDS has no known cure. But they say laughter is the best medicine!
BWA-HA-HA!
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And if the hoax is democrats politicizing the crisis….. give examples
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Really? The Trumpets are parsing what Trump really said? The Democrats are being dishonest?
This in defense of the man who has made thousands of lies just from inauguration day, not counting the lies in his whole career. The man who blatantly lies daily! The man who started his presidential campaign starting with Birtherism? But it is Democrats who are exaggerating?
Get a life people. Trump is a born liar. No Democrat could come close to that mans skills at bald faced lying.
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