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  • Columbus Radiology

    Posted by g.giancaspro_108 on October 31, 2019 at 1:54 pm

    I’m not currently looking for this job personally but I received a job ad and found it perplexing.  So naturally I posted it here.
    Some highlights of this daytime teleradiology position.
    15,000-16,500 RVUs
    $375,000 total compensation
    8 AM 5 PM Pacific Time, Monday Friday
    9 weeks PTO plus Full Benefits
     
    That seems, in my opinion, very busy and very underpaid.  and 375 is total comp, not salary. Perhaps I’m just out not current.  I understand if people have a geographic restriction, but this is a daytime teleradiology position, does anyone take positions like this?

    nhyland88 nhyland88 replied 2 years, 4 months ago 43 Members · 104 Replies
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  • Unknown Member

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    October 31, 2019 at 2:00 pm

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    • Unknown Member

      Deleted User
      October 31, 2019 at 2:17 pm

      The RVUs are high, but no evenings, no weekends, and 375 is like academic salary. 
      idk crank from 8-5? id consider it less than ideal but not total write off.

      • Unknown Member

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        October 31, 2019 at 2:54 pm

        Sheethole part of the country though

        450k with no nights and weekends would be minimum

        • btomba_77

          Member
          October 31, 2019 at 4:09 pm

          That job is load of crap.  You can come 2 hours north to CCF and make 500k out of the bat in their regional section at 11k to 12 RVUs

        • tdetlie_105

          Member
          October 31, 2019 at 4:42 pm

          Quote from kpack123

          Sheethole part of the country though

          450k with no nights and weekends would be minimum

           
          Do not disagree with your minimum but think its a tele job so you can liver wherever 

          • btomba_77

            Member
            October 31, 2019 at 4:48 pm

            Quote from jd4540

            Do not disagree with your minimum but think its a tele job so you can liver wherever 

             
            Ah … I didn’t notice that. It’s specifically *Pacific Time* hours.  They’re recruiting for people who want to live west coast.

            • talhas_world_364

              Member
              October 31, 2019 at 6:06 pm

              Cali jobs will be hard to get much higher than 375 k for dx

              • Patrick

                Member
                October 31, 2019 at 6:15 pm

                No… I know multiple partnership and academic jobs (UC) with pay in excess of that number in CA.

                • al.georgiev_193

                  Member
                  October 31, 2019 at 6:55 pm

                  Columbus Radiology was acquired by Rad Partners years ago- the fact that theyre not advertising that showed you how much theyre trying to keep from applicants. I know people who work for them- you have a red, yellow, and green stoplight at your desk. You dont get to go home until its green, meaning youve been reading fast enough, whatever that means. Plus, they can send out a mass message at 4:30 pm saying the list is too big and no one leaves until there are X number of studies on the list. Is that the kind of job you dreamed about when you decided to become a doctor?

                  • Unknown Member

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                    October 31, 2019 at 6:59 pm

                    Rates are crap, jobs need to be filled at crap rates for rad partners to succeed..how else are you suppose to show 10-20% profits every year to the shareholders?

                    • ljohnson_509

                      Member
                      October 31, 2019 at 7:11 pm

                      Can someone verify what Suprasellar cistern is saying? If so, should be breaking at least ethical rules. Can only imagine if this was exposed to the public.

                    • ranweiss

                      Member
                      November 1, 2019 at 1:15 pm

                      Quote from Drrad123

                      Can someone verify what Suprasellar cistern is saying? If so, should be breaking at least ethical rules. Can only imagine if this was exposed to the public.

                      He’s right, my old chief works for them. It’s insane. IF the light is yellow you can ‘go home and read from home’ , but you have to make the light turn green within 2 hours or something by reading more studies. 
                       
                      It’s not an awful awful gig if you’re an IR person – it’s a lot easier for them to get ‘green’ by doing a few procedures, and they get paid a it better with more vacation. 
                       
                      All that being said, total crap RP job. Unfortunately not many good options in Columbus if you must live there.

                    • pauls003

                      Member
                      November 1, 2019 at 1:36 pm

                      Yeah. The light thing is legit.

                      Wondering what color light is too fast?

                    • talhas_world_364

                      Member
                      November 1, 2019 at 1:56 pm

                      Its true. The pe backed groups are all over the acr and other professional societies. Buying them off i guess was not hard

                    • talhas_world_364

                      Member
                      November 1, 2019 at 1:57 pm

                      But in fairness Im not sure how effective acr wouldve been against them

                    • mario.mtz30_447

                      Member
                      November 1, 2019 at 2:08 pm

                      So if youre an old guy who can only read plain films, you never go home. Just when you think youre about to reach the green light after 23 hours, the meter resets at 2400. Elder abuse!

                    • ranweiss

                      Member
                      November 1, 2019 at 2:14 pm

                      Quote from IGotKids2Feed

                      So if youre an old guy who can only read plain films, you never go home. Just when you think youre about to reach the green light after 23 hours, the meter resets at 2400. Elder abuse!

                       
                      lmao.

                    • yao.bw39_792

                      Member
                      November 1, 2019 at 2:59 pm

                      I’ve worked with a PP group that has their productivity monitored in real time.  They get paged if they aren’t generating RVU’s fast enough.

                    • afazio.uk_887

                      Member
                      November 1, 2019 at 4:59 pm

                      15-16k RVUs is a lot of volume. 

                    • enrirad2000

                      Member
                      November 2, 2019 at 3:04 pm

                      Quote from Waduh Dong

                      15-16k RVUs is a lot of volume. 

                      Yes agree
                      It deserves 500-600K / yr not 300+ 

                    • reuven

                      Member
                      November 2, 2019 at 4:37 pm

                      They’re paying $23/RVU or they are taking 62% of the compensation that an average radiologist receives.  So for every study that is read that is 1 part to the radiologist and 2 parts to the employer

                    • cieminsjohn

                      Member
                      November 1, 2019 at 5:39 pm

                      Quote from Nice Guy

                      I’ve worked with a PP group that has their productivity monitored in real time.  They get paged if they aren’t generating RVU’s fast enough.

                       
                      Sounds miserable

                    • talhas_world_364

                      Member
                      November 1, 2019 at 6:12 pm

                      That being said there are super busy academic places that always have that 1 lazy guy reading 20
                      Studies a day while his partner gets slaughtered.

                      All about balance
                      Neither extreme is good

                    • mariacardei7_785

                      Member
                      November 1, 2019 at 7:42 pm

                      It only works if folks work for them

                    • Unknown Member

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                      November 2, 2019 at 11:44 am

                      Columbus Radiology does use this system, and Riverside Radiology in Columbus also has a speedometer looking RVU tracker. Not sure if theirs is as punitive. Both groups sold out, and have this type of system. Maybe thats why they both have 10+ jobs advertised on ACR that keep getting recycled.

                    • nelson33.jn

                      Member
                      November 2, 2019 at 1:52 pm

                      Whats wrong with doctors? I can understand if you have a family to feed and loans to pay and there are no other options… but seriously? A speedometer ??? Tell the corporate type s*itheads to shove their spoedomoter up their a** . Doctors are such passive p******

                    • henriqueabreu

                      Member
                      November 2, 2019 at 1:57 pm

                      The next natural step is getting tasered or zapped if too slow

                    • nelson33.jn

                      Member
                      November 2, 2019 at 2:00 pm

                      8 years old college and professional school, 6 years of post grad training and they put a speedometer on your desk. Reminds me of bob Dylans subterranean homesick blues

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      November 2, 2019 at 2:01 pm

                      20 years of schoolin’ and they put you on the day shift.

                      Look out kid.

                    • ljohnson_509

                      Member
                      November 2, 2019 at 3:04 pm

                      What happens if you just ignore the speedometer? Will they really fire you in this market, especially if others join you? Perhaps have a guy with a whip or taser in the reading room?

                      On the other hand, how are you supposed to get productivity out of employed disengaged disgruntled rads other than threats? I guess have a productivity model but then you get other problems.

                    • mario.mtz30_447

                      Member
                      November 2, 2019 at 5:06 pm

                      Next:

                      Speedometers in the OR. Your surgery duration is currently 12 % higher than the national average for a cholecystectomy. Please increase speed and/or efficiency.

                      Little electric shocks for internists when the Alexa derived sensor detects conversation that has been going on too long.

                      Automated test ordering pop up suggestions based on the patients insurance.

                    • reuven

                      Member
                      November 2, 2019 at 5:46 pm

                      Quote from IGotKids2Feed

                      Next:

                      Speedometers in the OR. Your surgery duration is currently 12 % higher than the national average for a cholecystectomy. Please increase speed and/or efficiency.

                      Little electric shocks for internists when the Alexa derived sensor detects conversation that has been going on too long.

                      Automated test ordering pop up suggestions based on the patients insurance.

                      LOL

                    • leann2001nl

                      Member
                      November 2, 2019 at 5:54 pm

                      This stuff only can happen because people allow it. leave the group or don’t work for them and they go out of business. but people are too obsessed with living in california or NYC for that to happen, so things like this happen 

                    • leann2001nl

                      Member
                      November 2, 2019 at 5:56 pm

                      who wants to live in columbus ohio and run on a mouse wheel where you get zapped if you slow down? literally insane 
                       
                      its things like this that prove the job market isn’t “hot” or good or whatever. in good job markets these things don’t exist because nobody in their right minds fills the position and it takes care of itself. 

                    • talhas_world_364

                      Member
                      November 2, 2019 at 6:24 pm

                      Believe the Job in question is the: tele…you could do it from home if you want

                      Job market today is considerably better than its been for a while. Era of second fellowships is gone.
                      And most places are hiring both pp and in academics.

                    • talhas_world_364

                      Member
                      November 2, 2019 at 6:35 pm

                      Plus these rp jobs have been unfilled for a while, suggesting nobodys taking them.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      November 2, 2019 at 7:28 pm

                      Perhaps we are doing some good on these forums educating rads how much they are being suckered by these blood suckers.  

                    • Unknown Member

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                      November 3, 2019 at 6:13 am

                      If you have to be in Columbus for family reasons, outside of the University, you have two private options, both of which use an RVU meter.  An RVU meter not imposed by the corporate administrators, but instituted by the physicians who run the group.

                    • ljohnson_509

                      Member
                      November 3, 2019 at 6:55 am

                      ^^. How else are you going to get disgruntled, disengaged, employees to produce? Dont think the meter works as well when the market is good and the threats arent taken as seriously.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      November 3, 2019 at 8:14 am

                      Quote from zorro871

                      If you have to be in Columbus for family reasons, outside of the University, you have two private options, both of which use an RVU meter.  An RVU meter not imposed by the corporate administrators, but instituted by the physicians who run the group.

                       
                      No. 
                      There is another fairly large group in town – Rad Inc. They are independent and have a respectable, good group of physicians. I do not know what their policy re: RVU production is. They have been more flexible than others in the past in terms of setting up part time arrangements.
                       
                      You do NOT want to work for Riv Rad (lucent) or CRC. 
                       
                      And, you do not want to go to the University. Just as bad, for other reasons. Political hell hole. 

                    • 122276695

                      Member
                      November 5, 2019 at 5:46 am

                      Whos troubled by these posts?  
                      Radiologists?  Administrators?  ACR?  CMS? 
                       
                      Who needs to be?
                      Patients!  Government and third party payers!
                       
                      These posts are just scratching the surface regarding the changing practice of Radiology across the country. Two very large private practices in Columbus are being highlighted but this is occurring in many other cities.  Many of the details are kept quiet and hidden, intentionally, from others in the community, locally and nationally. Golden handcuffs are terms that are used; however, in reality, a golden muzzle is actually used to keep physicians quiet about the details of these relationships and their effects on day to day operations. 
                       
                      Yes, there are penalties for underperformance. Group shaming of individuals occurs commonly. Some low producers are labeled as lazy or criticized for not caring about the business.  Hmmm, lazy because one may compare to additional studies instead of just what autolaunched. Lazy because they looked up history or pathology in the EMR. Lazy because they discuss cases with referring physicians. Most of the verbal assaults are levied by super partners in their groups. The high productivity radiologists in the practice; some of whom dont really care about misses and try to bury errors.  Is quality a value-added product of solving a diagnostic dilemma and proving a useful interpretation?  Or, is quality a turnaround time of a finalized report within 30 minutes?  

                      As times get tougher, there will certainly be penalties levied against lower producers, either time or money.  Wonder what is contributing to radiologist burnout?  Wonder what is contributing to radiologists leaving groups?  Why are there large numbers of job openings in several localized communities?  Both of the large private equity private practice groups in Columbus are using the PE-backing to enforce 2-3 year non-compete clauses on radiologists leaving their groups. Since they are so large, these extend throughout the state resulting in difficulty in recruiting, which leaves patients and hospitals without adequate local staffing to provide appropriate care. While better locales for recruiting, the same local phenomenon is occurring in Florida, Texas and Arizona?  In the west, a combination of factors exist; however, many are willing to live in the area albeit at lower paying compensation models. 
                       
                      Even more troubling? Private equity buying the entire hospital/system as well as almost all physician groups servicing that facility.  This phenomenon has a solid foothold in parts of the northeast. One of the large private equity owned systems has now moved into the Midwest and has 3 hospitals in Ohio.  Each group will squeeze the other and high producing teleradiologists will be the norm. All teleradiologists will at some point be replaceable commodities. 
                       
                      As the ACR is unable or unwilling to monitor or manage its own house, someone will need to take care to it. Right now, that is private equity investors, led by local radiologists. They will make a small fortune off the backs of most radiologists, particularly all entering the workforce over the next few years. This is the age old problem of physicians being unable, unwilling, or incapable of making appropriate decisions to control its own house but rather keep the money flowing. There are too many analogies to list over the last 30-40 years of medicine. No need to worry about this.  Someone other than radiologists will take over management.  Public outrage will eventually ensue. Congress will work this out for you. 
                       
                      Until then, I hope you are able to remain in a practice and/or facility that appreciates the care you provide through your value-added interpretations. 
                       

                    • carmenrenogray_192

                      Member
                      November 8, 2019 at 2:33 pm

                      I have heard from rads working for the RadPartners group in our town, they have confirmed the RVU meter, including phone calls at the end of the day telling them whether they can or cant go home!   These docs are pretty miserable, and contact us often looking for a different job.  

                    • ctinfo

                      Member
                      November 8, 2019 at 2:53 pm

                      Youve gotta be joking. How do these scumbags manage to fill any of their spots?

                    • carmenrenogray_192

                      Member
                      November 8, 2019 at 3:07 pm

                      I think the early success of these PE models speaks to the great of senior partners.  They get a nice bolus of cash, and a chance at further wealth if their shares go up in value at the time of the sale to the next entity.   The younger guys will get screwed, as will anyone not a partner.   I think selfishness is a powerful and common force,  if you are concerned about your younger partners, or the future of the specialty, youd have to vote no.  

                    • g.giancaspro_108

                      Member
                      November 8, 2019 at 3:31 pm

                      Our younger partners were the only ones interested in pursuing a buyout, the senior partners were adamantly against.

                    • carmenrenogray_192

                      Member
                      November 8, 2019 at 3:53 pm

                      Quote from sandeep panga

                      Our younger partners were the only ones interested in pursuing a buyout, the senior partners were adamantly against.

                      Glad to hear that, restores my faith in humanity.    On the other hand, its scary to think that the younger partners were  unable to understand where their best interests lie.

                    • ljohnson_509

                      Member
                      November 8, 2019 at 5:31 pm

                      The younger guys dont think theres many good years in radiology/medicine left so they want the money before its gone.

                    • edsonandrade

                      Member
                      April 26, 2021 at 6:55 am

                      While we’re focused on the speedometer, Columbus rad, multiple years post RP acquisition, is out there winning hospital contracts left and right. So maybe we’re not seeing the speedometer in the right light? 

                    • edsonandrade

                      Member
                      April 26, 2021 at 6:58 am

                      Also, we do all understand that a large and quickly growing practice has a natural turnover and constant need for rads, I presume. They could fill some jobs every single year and never take down the posting. 

                    • nhyland88 nhyland88

                      Member
                      July 10, 2021 at 7:18 am

                      At least 17 job openings for this group on the ACR job postings. Dear god thats a red flag if I have ever seen one.

                    • mthx9155

                      Member
                      July 10, 2021 at 7:58 am

                      It looks like they were bought by RP in 2016. Assuming a 5-year buy-out vesting period, that would mean a whole lot of rads vesting by the end of this year, 2021, and free to leave. I wonder if this latest flurry of postings for the group is a frantic effort to make up for a bunch of vesting partners who have given notice by the end of this year? It would be a harbinger of what’s to come for other large RP groups that were more recently acquired. Also interesting to see that they’ve scrubbed any mention of RP in their job postings, even excluding the typical @radpartners.com recruiting email at the end of the posting that is usually included in most of their other postings. 

                    • tdetlie_105

                      Member
                      July 10, 2021 at 2:15 pm

                      Quote from qxrt

                      It looks like they were bought by RP in 2016. Assuming a 5-year buy-out vesting period, that would mean a whole lot of rads vesting by the end of this year, 2021, and free to leave. I wonder if this latest flurry of postings for the group is a frantic effort to make up for a bunch of vesting partners who have given notice by the end of this year? It would be a harbinger of what’s to come for other large RP groups that were more recently acquired. Also interesting to see that they’ve scrubbed any mention of RP in their job postings, even excluding the typical @radpartners.com recruiting email at the end of the posting that is usually included in most of their other postings. 

                       
                      I am not sure where they are with respect to group make-up (anecdotally heard that most of the vesting partners are already gone, can’t confirm the accuracy of this though).  This could serve as a sort of bellwether (obviously geography will also play role in other P/E acquisitions) so I am curious as this plays out as well.  From my understanding some P/E buy out contracts have “call-backs” where the partners that sold may have to stay on until staffing with new bodies is sufficient. 

                    • nhyland88 nhyland88

                      Member
                      February 4, 2022 at 4:58 pm

                      significant turnover and staffing problems due to hostile working condition. avoid

                    • nhyland88 nhyland88

                      Member
                      March 22, 2022 at 5:32 am

                      i heard that the traffic light is gone but they raised the productivity target to be much higher than the traffic light demanded. common knowledge in the Midwest that the leadership there is self serving scum

                    • rakeshsajjan_307

                      Member
                      November 14, 2019 at 9:15 am

                      They’ve gone to Plaid
                       
                       

                    • Unknown Member

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                      November 14, 2019 at 4:12 pm

                      I receive emails everyday for job ads and I would say the columbus radiology one is fairly typical, crappy pay for high volume.  This is the majority of the jobs out there, I have no idea if these jobs are getting filled.  From the looks of my inbox, it doesnt seem like they are actually being filled.  I do however think that this will become the new norm for radiology as we become corporatized and go the way of emergency medicine and anesthesiology. Baby boomers were suppose to retire and there was suppose to be a great need for radiology…what seems like happening is the huge baby boomer radiologist population has retired by selling out to corporates and created a huge market for awful jobs that must be awful in order for corporates to show their profits after their large buyouts.  The same guy rightfully advising you not to join corporates, is the same rad who sells out his practice to the corporates.  Definitely a major financial win for the guy selling out to soon retire.  

                    • vascularinter

                      Member
                      November 15, 2019 at 4:33 am

                      Quote from striker79

                       Baby boomers were suppose to retire and there was suppose to be a great need for radiology…what seems like happening is the huge baby boomer radiologist population has retired by selling out to corporates and created a huge market for awful jobs that must be awful in order for corporates to show their profits after their large buyouts.  The same guy rightfully advising you not to join corporates, is the same rad who sells out his practice to the corporates.  Definitely a major financial win for the guy selling out to soon retire.  

                       
                      This sort of post pisses me off. 
                       
                      First let me say that the human need to see order in chaos pushes people to simplify complex situations so that they can understand them. And as a result there are gross generalizations made that may be true for 70, 60 or even 30% of cases. 
                       
                      I AM the boomer generation. My experience is this – I and my friends my age at every opportunity attempted to retain the traditional style of PP – you start young people at a decent wage, make them partner pretty quickly, and then you retire when you want, leaving the system to self perpetuate. You treat people right, and then they learn how it should be and everyone does fine. 
                       
                      In my group, we trusted a few people who were 15 years or so younger than us to run the organization. After a few years they began to exploit the positions they were in for personal gain. They were very machiavellian about it: controversial votes taken with open voice voting, any opposition noted and there were consequences (QA). 
                       
                      At EACH point, those of us boomers tried to oppose this, at some risk to ourselves. Those with presumably more to lose, those in their 40s, were silent. They were more easily intimidated than those of us who were older. This was allowed by them, not us. 
                       
                      I have no doubt whatsoever that there are probably a few practices out there run by people in their 60s who are selling out. But here is my example that it isn’t us. 
                       
                      Incidentally, this kind of generalization, as applied to something other than age, would be called racism. This kind of simplistic thinking is no different from racist thought patterns. 

                    • cieminsjohn

                      Member
                      November 15, 2019 at 9:30 am

                      Are they advertising as Lucid Health now?

                    • obebwamivan_25

                      Member
                      November 15, 2019 at 10:11 am

                      I think leadership in a lot of organisations (not just radiology but all areas of business and politics) gets a lot of self serving people, and so many people who work at a place are just too happy to be quiet.  I think those who question authority do it at their own risk (and I echo that from radiology groups to the ever expanding mega corporations that are known to “consolidating” hospital systems and/or radiology groups). 
                       
                      When you pose questions that are for the welfare of the group or the future, too many leaders take that as a threat and only agree with those questions being raised if it benefits themselves personally.  It’s awful, but it’s reality. 

                    • Unknown Member

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                      November 15, 2019 at 12:35 pm

                      “In my group, we trusted a few people who were 15 years or so younger than us to run the organization. After a few years they began to exploit the positions they were in for personal gain. They were very machiavellian about it: controversial votes taken with open voice voting, any opposition noted and there were consequences (QA).”
                       
                      This happens in many groups, but it is a matter of degree. Our scheduler for example, who is a senior member, has manipulated things so that they and a few others preferentially get what is in their interest. There is of course self justification, as typical in these scenarios, they feel they deserve it. But any form of “fraud” is self serving; like who will notice? I’ve earned this. I know best etc. But it is still dishonest.
                       
                      On the other hand, one has to look at how much a particular action negatively affects you. In my case, not much. It’s distasteful, but still tolerable. One can waste a lot of time striving for ultimate “fairness.”
                       
                      It takes a strong leader to manage a PP, and our current president is earnest, but non confrontational. And so it goes. You learn to live with some lesser evils, and to pick your fights.

                      When bounds are overstepped, frequently in overconfidence, the walls do crash in, and things reset. It’s an enduring cycle that repeats itself. And it is many of the senior people that have experienced this first hand, so many of us watch the drama, and only jump in if things truly unravel, which is rarely the case. The Machiavellis frequently spin a lot of wheels for nothing, and sometimes even self destruct. The controls of corporate democracy typically deter anarchy, but unfortunately also limit efficient streamlined management
                       
                      Ultimately, the work has to get done, and when you focus on that, it becomes easier to ignore. Stop watching everyone else so closely, and their actions won’t bother you so much. The boomers have been around; we know a thing or two, because we’ve seen a thing or two; so cut everyone some slack. A little chill goes along way.
                       

                    • nhyland88 nhyland88

                      Member
                      April 22, 2021 at 10:49 am

                      looking at midwest jobs. is this group still as toxic as its rep??

                    • katiedavies05

                      Member
                      April 22, 2021 at 10:59 am

                      Its a Rad Partners practice. Nuff said.

                    • nhyland88 nhyland88

                      Member
                      April 22, 2021 at 11:30 am

                      radpartners companies come in all shapes and sizes,but i heard some real bothersome things about self centered leadership, miserable working conditions, catastrophic turnover and toxic morale. can anyone share details or confirm about why its so bad

                    • alvarezgga1

                      Member
                      April 22, 2021 at 2:02 pm

                      have several friends that started with RP practices in Texas. 3 out of 4 have left after 3 to 4 years with them. The 4th person is independently wealthy and doesnt really care.
                       
                      Garbage pay for higher productivity (or no extra pay/bonus despite promises). Dont care attitude is rampant at most of these places. Those were the key reasons cited by them.

                    • tdetlie_105

                      Member
                      April 22, 2021 at 5:40 pm

                      Yet the continue to grow…

                    • Unknown Member

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                      April 23, 2021 at 6:15 am

                      So you’re saying 375K for 19,000 RVU per year is not the best? Asking for a friend.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      April 23, 2021 at 6:25 am

                      Quote from zorro871

                      So you’re saying 375K for 19,000 RVU per year is not the best? Asking for a friend.

                      Is that hyperbole or a real cite?

                    • Unknown Member

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                      April 23, 2021 at 6:31 am

                      Actual data.
                       

                    • Unknown Member

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                      April 23, 2021 at 8:28 am

                      Wow, thats less than $20/RVU.

                    • debra.paulk_16

                      Member
                      April 23, 2021 at 8:35 am

                      Quote from Upgrayedd

                      Wow, thats less than $20/RVU.

                       
                      That seem to be the standard after a buyout. Hopefully you got the lump sum up front/annual buyout bonus/…. 
                       
                      It is interesting how many radiologists accept this. 

                    • obebwamivan_25

                      Member
                      April 23, 2021 at 12:53 pm

                      How many radiologists accept this becomes a situation where:
                      what else are people who are committed to being in a certain geographic locale, desire the type of work they are used to, and have a reputation supposed to do?
                       
                      Young radiologists I find are very fickle–so commonly, the people in the first years of our practice have jumped around and want to be just hourly essentially (generalization but Millenial in nature by reputation).
                       
                      The more senior 5+ year radiologists, more established, seem less likely to jump around, and what are they supposed to do?  Chase a job that doesn’t exist?
                       
                      RP was one of the big supporters of the ARRS meeting (along with Envision) , and seem to be dominating the marketplace in so many places now, outside of academic practice.  Does anyone know about Envision?

                    • nhyland88 nhyland88

                      Member
                      April 25, 2021 at 11:37 am

                      appreciate the input. just going to bypass altogether. i don’t ever hear a single positive thing about this particular company. sure as heck not working for less than $20/rvu. from what i heard a couple bad apples convinced everyone to sell out years ago and those few are still excercising unilateral control over the rest of the group. even if i can get the work done, its not worth surrounding myself with miserable and greedy people

                    • william.wang_997

                      Member
                      April 25, 2021 at 1:24 pm

                      This will surely cause abbreviation of life expectancy of a radiologist. 

                    • tdetlie_105

                      Member
                      April 25, 2021 at 2:16 pm

                      Quote from zorro871

                      So you’re saying 375K for 19,000 RVU per year is not the best? Asking for a friend.

                       
                      1. 19K RVU is >95th%
                      2. 375K is below <50th%
                      Most general rads cannot read 19K RVU/yr.  Certainly obtainable for a fast breast imager.

                    • JENNIFERG09_691

                      Member
                      April 25, 2021 at 2:29 pm

                      Joining late to the conversation. Just a coffin nail here:

                      I have been receiving same ad from them for the past 4 years for a same job. Similar compensation for a subspecialty. Too bad I bothered looking into this gig one time when I was a fellow. They keep sending me a letter with the exact job each year.

                      Guess its a tough shoes to fill.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      November 15, 2019 at 10:52 am

                      I didnt mean to offend anyone but this is just common sense.  Most people act out of self interest first, future be damned.  Baby boomers are the hardest working generation we may ever see.  However, they are human and majority will put themselves first.  I know I myself would sell out to corporates near retirement if it meant a huge pay day for me.  How do you think corporates took over other medical fields?  This is not racism, agism, or whatever else you want to call it…This is human nature and knowing human nature is very lucrative.  

                    • vascularinter

                      Member
                      November 15, 2019 at 11:45 am

                      I would never sell out for a huge payday.
                      First – I have enough. In part because those ahead of me were fair to me.
                      Second – It would be unfair to my friends who are my younger partners. 
                      That said, it takes only one or two who are willing to sell out their friends to destroy this happy equilibrium.
                       
                      Common sense says that people are different one from another. And that is not predicated on age. Or race. Or gender. Or religion.
                       
                       

                    • g.giancaspro_108

                      Member
                      October 31, 2019 at 7:12 pm

                      Ah, its a corporate RadPartners job. That explains it.
                      I can understand why they want to hide that.

                    • talhas_world_364

                      Member
                      October 31, 2019 at 7:48 pm

                      375 for starting* is high, esp for tele

                    • tscharnweber tscharnweber

                      Member
                      November 1, 2019 at 4:10 am

                      Ive heard about this stoplight thing at other RP groups; not sure if true but this is floating around. I would not be surprised if true.

                    • Dr.Aslan.MD

                      Member
                      November 1, 2019 at 5:01 am

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                • tdetlie_105

                  Member
                  November 1, 2019 at 5:35 am

                  Quote from NYC

                  No… I know multiple partnership and academic jobs (UC) with pay in excess of that number in CA.

                   
                  Agree.  I think people generalize the overall state based on LA/SF/Orange county

                • tdetlie_105

                  Member
                  November 1, 2019 at 5:36 am

                  Quote from NYC

                  No… I know multiple partnership and academic jobs (UC) with pay in excess of that number in CA.

                   
                  Agree.  I think people generalize the overall state based on LA/SF/Orange county

                  • talhas_world_364

                    Member
                    November 1, 2019 at 5:39 am

                    Partners Yes, but 375 starting in LA is high

                    • ljohnson_509

                      Member
                      November 1, 2019 at 6:33 am

                      I got a pm corroborating the speedometer is in fact true. Perhaps the lowest point weve reached.

                      Wish some news outlet or the general public got a hold of this. Private equity money entering medicine, making doctors work too fast, cutting corners, siphoning off their fees, and placing a speedometer on their desk, not letting them go home until quota reached. Where are our professional societies?

                    • tscharnweber tscharnweber

                      Member
                      November 1, 2019 at 7:31 am

                      Take it to the NYT. Would be a great article.

                    • brunohaider

                      Member
                      November 1, 2019 at 11:33 am

                      I can see it now- soon the ABR will include the speedometer in the OLA batch questions, just so new recruits see the speedometer as ‘normal business’.
                      Oh, and they charge more for your OLA if your speedometer is not Green.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      November 1, 2019 at 11:50 am

                      my understanding was these pe backed groups have wiggled their way into ACR and the professional societies.
                       
                      there are also radpartners endorsed talks at many academic programs, happy hours, and other things.  

  • tdetlie_105

    Member
    October 31, 2019 at 2:17 pm

    Quote from sandeep panga

    I’m not currently looking for this job personally but I received a job ad and found it perplexing.  So naturally I posted it here.
    Some highlights of this daytime teleradiology position.
    15,000-16,500 RVUs
    $375,000 total compensation
    8 AM 5 PM Pacific Time, Monday Friday
    9 weeks PTO plus Full Benefits

    That seems, in my opinion, very busy and very underpaid.  and 375 is total comp, not salary. Perhaps I’m just out not current.  I understand if people have a geographic restriction, but this is a daytime teleradiology position, does anyone take positions like this?

     
    Even if I was geographically trapped I would not take this job for less than 450K in salary (eg.excluding all benefits).  
     
    What does 16K RVU translate in medicare reimbursement? 560k? I would assume that they are doing better particularly since OH/midwest has relatively good reimbursements 

  • Unknown Member

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    November 8, 2019 at 10:12 pm

    Quote from sandeep panga

    I’m not currently looking for this job personally but I received a job ad and found it perplexing.  So naturally I posted it here.
    Some highlights of this daytime teleradiology position.
    15,000-16,500 RVUs
    $375,000 total compensation
    8 AM 5 PM Pacific Time, Monday Friday
    9 weeks PTO plus Full Benefits

    That seems, in my opinion, very busy and very underpaid.  and 375 is total comp, not salary. Perhaps I’m just out not current.  I understand if people have a geographic restriction, but this is a daytime teleradiology position, does anyone take positions like this?

    Current body fellow here.
     
    What is considered avg RVU for an academic vs PP body job these days?
     
     

    • al.georgiev_193

      Member
      November 9, 2019 at 5:58 am

      Search posts from the past couple of months, as work estimates and links to wRVUs have been posted numerous times.

      As a recent grad myself, I would encourage you to completely forget about the word RVU and focus on being the best new radiologist you can. Youll be working hard whether you do academics or private practice, the difference being that almost all of your time in private practice is reading cases and doing procedures, while in academics youre time will be more divided among clinical work, teaching, research, etc.

      • Unknown Member

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        November 9, 2019 at 6:13 am

        For 15,000-16,500 rVUS i expect salary of 750,000-900,000.  Thats how I value it, which I think is fair on both ends.  

        • sanad50_506

          Member
          November 9, 2019 at 6:36 am

          375 k!!

          What about if you want to be part of their Gi Joe team where you can travel the country and be challenged on a daily basis while championing the Corps 22th century vision for radiology in the 21 st century?

          Hail COBRA!!

          • Unknown Member

            Deleted User
            November 9, 2019 at 6:43 am

            15-16000 rvus in PP as a partner I would expect 700-900.

            As a tele hired gun, working during the day (as opposed to the night premium), with that volume atleast 450k in dollars not total comp

            • Unknown Member

              Deleted User
              November 9, 2019 at 6:53 am

              Quote from doc holiday

              15-16000 rvus in PP as a partner I would expect 700-900.

              As a tele hired gun, working during the day (as opposed to the night premium), with that volume atleast 450k in dollars not total comp

               
              and the difference is what you pay the owners for the privilege  of working for them. 
               
              Radiologists really need to rid ourselves of the scourge of employment by others. 

              • Unknown Member

                Deleted User
                November 9, 2019 at 8:02 am

                Sard,

                You are right. We are skimming. Thats the word you are looking for.

      • Unknown Member

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        November 9, 2019 at 8:49 am

        Quote from Suprasellar Cistern

        Search posts from the past couple of months, as work estimates and links to wRVUs have been posted numerous times.

        As a recent grad myself, I would encourage you to completely forget about the word RVU and focus on being the best new radiologist you can. Youll be working hard whether you do academics or private practice, the difference being that almost all of your time in private practice is reading cases and doing procedures, while in academics youre time will be more divided among clinical work, teaching, research, etc.

        I agree completely however talking to recent grads from the year above me, I hear horror stories of how their groups only care about RVUs and not about the papers they publish, tumor boards they do, relationship building with referrers, etc.
         
        They do a lot of work that does not appear on the RVU list (and which takes time away from producing RVUs) but the dept doesn’t care, sees them as being lazy.
         
         

        • Dr_Cocciolillo

          Member
          November 9, 2019 at 9:28 am

          Everything is important. Picking the right job without crazy work requirements is really important.

          • danielpaulino.md_522

            Member
            November 9, 2019 at 12:47 pm

            Some practices are lagging behind the job market.
             
            From what I’ve seen, practices are either improving their offers to recruit, or they are handling the extra work themselves, while hoping someone will take the lowball offer which was acceptable a few years ago.

            • btomba_77

              Member
              November 9, 2019 at 2:38 pm

              Quote from AuntJemima

              Some practices are lagging behind the job market.

              From what I’ve seen, practices are either improving their offers to recruit, or they are handling the extra work themselves, while hoping someone will take the lowball offer which was acceptable a few years ago.

               
              Yep. Especially true in employee positions where administrators/ corporate owners see their quarterly budgets getting blown up the line item of radiologist compensation.   They just can’t bring themselves to make the necessary changes.

              • DFelt

                Member
                November 9, 2019 at 3:13 pm

                I heard some hospitals give radiology more than professional fee. Obviously, most not.

                • julie.young_645

                  Member
                  November 9, 2019 at 3:31 pm

                  Quote from RadsZR

                  I heard some hospitals give radiology more than professional fee. Obviously, most not.

                   
                  Somewhat tangential anecdote which speaks to the above…
                   
                  I tried to get our main hospital to buy a SPECT/CT for several years, but to no avail. The funds always had to go to something else. I finally got so frustrated that I offered to take out a loan, buy it myself, and donate it to the hospital, requesting half the technical fees in return. They were horrified! Of COURSE we can’t do that! (Because we can’t stand the thought of physicians making more money!) It took two more years after that to get the darn thing. 

                  • Unknown Member

                    Deleted User
                    November 9, 2019 at 7:29 pm

                    No doubt the bureaucracy cant get out of its own way some times. Actually, a lot of times.
                    Cant wait until the government gets more involved, that will fix it…

                  • aaco

                    Member
                    November 11, 2019 at 10:32 am

                    Dr Dalai,
                    Did the SPECT/CT pay for itself as a standalone modality?
                     
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