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  • Child of academic radiologist applying for residency in that program

    Posted by beatlesfandan_539 on August 3, 2023 at 3:47 pm

    I am in an academic radiology department. Just a lowly worker bee, no administrative role whatsoever. Good reputation in that regard.
    My son is in medical school and will be applying for residency next year. I am strongly encouraging him to pursue radiology and apply to my department. I am wondering how my being here could affect his application? Could it help it because I am appreciated here and they would hope he would be like me? Or, could it hurt it, to avoid suspicions of nepotism? Anybody has seen a similar situation recently?
    Thank you for your input.

    Unknown Member replied 1 year, 1 month ago 16 Members · 18 Replies
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  • benoit.elens

    Member
    August 3, 2023 at 7:54 pm

    I went to a program long time ago that had a few attending’s kids.  FWIW.

    • afazio.uk_887

      Member
      August 3, 2023 at 8:03 pm

       
      Nepotism is normal in Rads. 
       
      Interested is why you are strongly pushing Rads with the potential AI threat out there?  

    • toumeray

      Member
      August 3, 2023 at 8:07 pm

      I have seen simile happen, not direct child but someones cousin / nephew or niece, grandchild etc. I think it helps to ensure your son has a foot in the door and real consideration. Having been on these residency selection committees before people throw out applications for the dumbest things sometimes, because there are hundreds of applicants so why not. I dont like his tie. I knew someone who went to that med school, they were an ahole. Etc. Your kid is definitely shielded from that because they wont want to piss YOU off by doing some unprofessional bullshit which could get back to you.

      Now when it comes time for the actual ranking, Im thinking it will be a very slight negative. Lets call it what it is, you and your son in the same department is a definite conflict of interest. Its not on the level of using devices that you get paid 200k / yr consulting for, but when push comes to shove and there is disciplinary concerns, obviously each of you would have each others back rather than objectively thinking about the best interest of the patients/hospital. It gets messy, and everyone hopes it wont come to that but it could.

      • Unknown Member

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        August 3, 2023 at 8:58 pm

        I woul think that it would make you – as a father very proud to have and teach your son.  Sure there might be grumbling but hey – life ain’t fair.  If he has gotten through medical school – he must be a bright kid.
        And maybe he decides to go elsewhere?  At a better program, more diverse, in a better location, etc.
        Let him decide and apploy to all of them
        Good Luck!
         

      • beatlesfandan_539

        Member
        August 4, 2023 at 12:05 pm

        That’s what I am worried about, the concern for such conflict of interest, also for the potential perception of other residents that he might receive preferential treatment, at least in my section. In addition, in this day and age, the DEI champion might object that it would violate the E component…
         
        I know radiology is competitive, I would like to help him somehow land a spot. That’s why I have been thinking about leaving now, this way I would still be fresh in their minds but no longer there, to raise all these concerns. Obviously, this would not be the only reason, I have been considering a job change for a while, it would just be another factor to consider.
         
        Regarding AI, IMHO it will replace radiologists just like PACS replaced file room clerks with IT professionals. There will be  a need for more radiologists and more sophisticated. The real potential of AI is to tap into the enormous quantitative data in today’s and tomorrow’s studies. Radiomics and radiogenomics are just the start. Somebody will have to make sense of all of this and to integrate it with the qualitative aspects and clinical picture, and I think that can only be the radiologist. It’s already too complex for the clinical fields, especially as they are dumbed down with noctors.
         
        If artificial intelligence becomes a real threat, natural intelligence will find a way to compete and overcome it, it’s just evolution.

        • alex.nieto_484

          Member
          August 4, 2023 at 12:18 pm

          If you leave any goodwill the department has towards you will be gone and his relationship with you would either be neutral or hurt his chances.

          • ruszja

            Member
            August 4, 2023 at 1:22 pm

            Local surgery program got an endowed chairmanship for giving a residency slot to the rotten spoiled brat offspring of a alumnus.

            • reza800p_368

              Member
              August 4, 2023 at 1:51 pm

              Ask him to apply to 190 other programs across the nation. He should forget about your program. 
              Even if you have good intentions and even if he is the smartest resident, there will always be a lot of rumors. Don’t jump into a mess.  

              • Unknown Member

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                August 4, 2023 at 3:43 pm

                Don’t try to manage your kids life. If this is your MO, then he definitely should go somewhere else. He needs to be out of your control and to put on his big boy pants.
                On the other hand, in a big department I don’t see how your influence will affect his training much, especially if you are routine faculty. And if he’s a stud, it may make you look good. Alternatively, if he is weak, it will be a painful scenario to watch. And if you have enemies, they may take it out on him; which I have actually seen.
                Also, good point re DEI; I would say it is a third rail if any influence is perceived.

                • kmh0667

                  Member
                  August 4, 2023 at 8:26 pm

                  I think you are over thinking this. Just go about your day and let the chips fall. He/She will be fine if they don’t go to “your” residency place.

                  • ranweiss

                    Member
                    August 4, 2023 at 8:44 pm

                    I don’t see how it could possibly hurt. If nothing else, could casually mention to the PD or associate PD that ‘oh, i’m very excited about my son considering radiology, any advice for the process?’ – can be very benign about it. 
                     
                    For what it’s worth, if it wasn’t for some form of nepotism, a large number of docs you likely know wouldn’t be where they are. No shame in utilizing your advantages. I most certainly have, and would do the same for my kids. 

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      August 4, 2023 at 10:05 pm

                      If you are well-liked, cant hurt and will probably help.

                      If a physician is seeing a patient who is a colleagues family member, its hard not to give them better treatment even if you are all about fair play and against nepotism.

                      It is human nature to look out for your tribe.

                    • RT340067

                      Member
                      August 4, 2023 at 10:28 pm

                      I am the son of an academic radiologist who practices at the med school I went to. I am very glad to have not matched at that program, even though I would have gotten great training and really like all the people there. It was much better going somewhere where nobody could question my achievements and didnt know my dad. I didn’t want my coresidents to think I was being treated differently from them because of who my father was. 

                    • vanevela49

                      Member
                      August 5, 2023 at 3:56 am

                      Bad idea… 

                    • Radscatter

                      Member
                      August 5, 2023 at 7:32 am

                      Nepotism is rampant in the Academic IR world…check out Oregon and UNC. 

                    • alex.nieto_484

                      Member
                      August 5, 2023 at 8:53 am

                      Quote from maximusdecimus

                      I am the son of an academic radiologist who practices at the med school I went to. I am very glad to have not matched at that program, even though I would have gotten great training and really like all the people there. It was much better going somewhere where nobody could question my achievements and didnt know my dad. I didn’t want my coresidents to think I was being treated differently from them because of who my father was. 

                       
                      So you took his help getting into med school and getting your job but not getting into residency there? Cool story

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      August 5, 2023 at 12:00 pm

                      Nepotism Lives.
                       
                      Nothing new, as I went to Med School and Residency programs filled with attending’s kids.
                       
                      One thing I will say in regard to this practice:
                       
                      Legacies are one of two types:  they either over-achieve throughout the program, knowing that everyone else knows they had an “in,” or they under-achieve throughout the program, cruising along as always, knowing that yet another door will be opened for them later on.
                       
                      I say have them apply somewhere else and get in on their own.  They will be better off for doing so, and perhaps even do better in Life with the self-confidence that they can do things on their own.

  • aldoctc

    Member
    August 5, 2023 at 8:35 am

    Have seen the OP scenario play out different ways over the years.  
     
    Mostly though, “the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.”  
     
    So if parent is solid, kid usually does OK.
     
    If parent is an a$$hole, not surprising that kid is too.  
     
    And sometimes, it’s a coin flip how it’ll turn out.  
     
    In any event OP, I wouldn’t spend too much time worrying about it.  
     
    Good luck.