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Celebrate International Transgender Day of Visibility today March 31
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[b]Montana Lawmaker Suggested Her Kid is Better Dead Than Transgender[/b][/h1] [b]
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Montana state Rep. Kerri Seekins-Crowe (R), who recently sponsored a bill banning gender-affirming care for minors, suggested that she had blocked the treatment for her own daughter, even as her daughter was suicidal, the [link=https://www.thedailybeast.com/montana-lawmaker-kerri-seekins-crowe-suggests-shed-rather-her-daughter-suicide-than-transition]Daily Beast[/link] reports.
Said Seekins-Crowe: Someone once asked me, Wouldnt I just do anything to help save her? And I really had to think and the answer was, No.’
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Article & comments on genital sex vs what’s in your head & various societys’ recognition.
Still don’t understand what the problem is. Judeo-Christian intolerance? Just what Jesus preached, yes?
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/05/03/jennifer-finney-boylan-gender-brain-science-readers-react/]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/05/03/jennifer-finney-boylan-gender-brain-science-readers-react/[/link][b]farmer dean[/b]: Specific to the transgender issue, some people identify as something other than their genitalia suggests. That seems like established fact, not something made up by liberals. The question then is: How should society accommodate people who are in these gender gray zones?
One side, the liberal side, mostly says live and let live. Let people be themselves so long as it doesnt harm others. The other side says no, you cant do that, because of womens sports or bathrooms. Well, okay, we do need to set some rules so that people feel protected from unfair competition or, I suppose, sharing a bathroom with someone with male (its always the male issue) parts.
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[b]Chris Wienke[/b]: Human societies have long recognized gender categories that are neither man nor woman, but something in between the gender binary or outside of it.
Two-spirit people rapidly declined by end of the 19th century as a result of pressure from the dominant European culture in North America, which opposed the idea of more than two genders.
Other cultures have similar gender identities as the two-spirit person. In Oman, there is a class of [link=https://www.jstor.org/stable/2801943]males called the xanith[/link] (also called khanith). They are exempt from strict Islamic rules that restrict mens interaction with unmarried women because they are not considered men (or women). Another example is the [link=https://rpl.hds.harvard.edu/religion-context/case-studies/gender/third-gender-and-hijras#:~:text=While%20the%20third%20gender%20includes,to%20Hindu%20goddess%20Bahuchara%20Mata.]hijra of India[/link]. The hijra are males who see themselves as women or as neither men or women. Some have intersex conditions. And some undergo ritual castration in which all or part of their genitals are removed. They dress as women, although they do not really pass as women.
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Reminds me of a woman some years ago who said to me shes rather her son be a murderer than gay. She would faithfully support & visit him in prison as a convicted murderer but should he be gay when he grew up, shed disown him.
Loving mother. Her love was proven a short time later when she left, abandoned her husband & son for a motorcycle guy. Her son is not gay & as far as i know, he hasnt heard from her since.
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Heard a piece on Joan of Arc this morning who preferred to dress as a man among other things considering she wore armor & lead battles, not exactly feminine then or today.
Transgender?
[link=https://www.jeanne-darc.info/biography/clothing/]https://www.jeanne-darc.info/biography/clothing/[/link]On May 24, the tribunal convinced Jeanne dArc to sign a legal document stating her submission to the Church and recanting her claims about hearing the saints voices. Attached to that document was a cedula, or royal decree, also avowing that she would no longer wear mens clothing. Upon her renunciation, the tribunal released Jeanne dArc back to prison without indicting her for any crime.
Yet, three days later in prison, Jeanne dArc was again wearing mens clothes. In a later trial, some testified that guards had stolen Jeannes female clothes and replaced them with male clothes. Whatever the case, as soon as Cauchon heard the news, he immediately condemned her for lapsed heresy on the grounds of cross-dressing. The same day, the tribunal handed Jeanne dArc over to the secular court for her punishment: burning at the stake.
Jeannes involvement during the Hundred Years War entailed accompanying an army and adopting the outfit of a male soldier. This ultimately provided a pretense for her conviction and execution. Whether her crossdressing and lifestyle might have implications for her sexuality or gender identity has been debated.
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[h2][link=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4017261-illinois-gop-legislator-threatens-violence-if-state-passes-all-gender-bathroom-bill/]Illinois GOP legislator threatens violence if state passes all-gender bathroom bill, supporters cheer[/link][/h2]Speaking on the Illinois Senate floor Thursday, state Sen. Neil Anderson, a Republican, said he would be driven to physical violence if a guy entered the same restroom as his 10-year-old daughter.
Im telling you right now, if a guy walks in there, Im going to beat the living piss out of him, Anderson said during Thursdays floor debate on [link=https://ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=1286&GAID=17&GA=103&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=143396&SessionID=112]House Bill 1286[/link] as his supporters cheered. So, this is going to cause violence, and its going to cause violence from dads like me.
The bill which would require mixed-gender, multiple-occupancy bathrooms be equipped with floor-to-ceiling stall dividers, locks, baby changing tables and at least one vending machine for menstrual products seeks to expand an existing state law requiring that single-occupancy restrooms be open to all genders.[/QUOTE]
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How are we supposed to get our girls used to the fact that biological boys are in their locker rooms? And then we wonder why a third of our teenage girls seriously contemplated suicide last year.
Nikki Haley, [link=https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status/1665529822909456384?s=20]at a CNN town hall[/link], seemingly blaming teen suicides on trans kids in locker rooms.
Nikki Haley discussing trans girls in kids sports: "How are we supposed to get our girls used to the fact that biological boys are in their locker room. And then we wonder why a third of our teenage girls seriously contemplated suicide last year." pic.twitter.com/rA2lD06yVe
— Abby D. Phillip (@abbydphillip) June 5, 2023
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Transgenders are the foot in the door for LGBTQ. It’s about opposition to gay people, period. Conservatives fluidly move from “protecting” their girls in bathrooms and competition from “hairy” women to “grooming.” To those homophobic conservatives, all about “grooming” and the belief that people, teachers, coaches, Disney, are actually teaching – [i]converting[/i] – their children to be gay.
Three-plus cheers for Disney and their support of freedom to be who you are against the hatred from conservative trolls. That’s what it means to be American.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/04/disney-desantis-gay-days-florida/]https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/04/disney-desantis-gay-days-florida/[/link]Mark Stegall and Robert Motz knew theyd made the right decision to travel to Florida when they spotted a sea of people wearing red T-shirts emblazoned with the words Say Gay in front of Walt Disney Worlds Magic Kingdom.
The partners from Galesburg, Ill., have been coming to the annual Gay Days celebration at Disney for years and ultimately decided they werent going to let travel advisories, new state laws targeting the LGBTQ community and a bitter public feud between Florida Gov. [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/candidates/ron-desantis-2024/?itid=lk_inline_manual_4]Ron DeSantis[/link]and the entertainment giant keep them away.
Were here because its Gay Days, its that simple, Stegall said Saturday. Disney welcomes everybody. Maybe the governor of Florida doesnt, but Disney does.
The massive Pride Month gathering marked a show of defiance this weekend in a state where librarians have been [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/17/books/ban-florida-school-lawsuit-pen.html]pulling gay-themed books[/link]off the shelves, teachers are no longer allowed to discuss gender identity or sexual orientation and many LGBTQ families feel under attack. Organizers said reservations at the host hotel came in slower than normal.[b]Gay Days at Disney began three decades ago to bring together LGBTQ people and families in an environment where they felt included rather than marginalized.[/b] While the entertainment giant doesnt sponsor the event, it has welcomed hundreds of thousands of Gay Days visitors through the years, making it one of the nations largest Pride Month events. Travelers dress in red shirts to identify themselves while at the theme parks. There is also an LGBTQ expo, pool parties and a Miss Gay Days pageant contest at other venues nearby.
The birth of Gay Days was really about being visible at a time when it was dangerous to be visible, said Brandon Wolf, communications director for Equality Florida. The same is true now.
DeSantis blames Disney and others for trying to indoctrinate children and has said his policies protect children.
Clark said many Gay Days fans were torn between making the annual pilgrimage to Orlando or staying away to honor the travel advisories. But he believes the current political environment is, more of a reason to do what weve been doing on an annual basis for more than 30 years.
And thats to show everybody that we have a community that supports each other, and that together were strong, he said.
That is the message James Couick, of Orlando, and his friends hoped to send with their presence at the Magic Kingdom on Saturday.
Were being targeted by politicians, but our community is still strong, Couick said. [b]Were here to have fun, but were also here to say were standing up for ourselves.[/b]
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Hmmm, Apples developer show today was under a rainbow.
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[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/06/florida-gender-affirming-care-ruling-00100387]https://www.politico.com/…g-care-ruling-00100387[/link]
[b]Florida ban on hormonal therapy blocked by Federal Judge
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[h2][b]Federal judge rips into Floridas ban on gender-affirming care for kids[/b][/h2] U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkles 44-page ruling called the decision to pursue the ban on puberty blockers and hormonal treatment a political decision and not a legitimate state interest.U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle on Tuesday blocked the state from applying the ban to three minors whose parents are part of an ongoing lawsuit, saying they would suffer irreparable harm if they were not allowed to continue access to hormones and other types of treatment.
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Nothing could have motivated this remarkable intrusion into parental prerogatives other than opposition to transgender status itself, wrote Hinkle, who was appointed by former President Bill Clinton.
Hinkle also added that the statute and the rules were an exercise in politics, not good medicine. This is a politically fraught area. There has long been, and still is, substantial bigotry directed at transgender individuals. Common experience confirms this, as does a Florida legislators remarkable reference to transgender witnesses at a committee hearing as mutants and demons. And even when not based on bigotry, there are those who incorrectly but sincerely believe that gender identity is not real but instead just a choice.
Hinkles mutant and demons comment is a reference to state Rep. Webster Barnaby (R-Deltona), [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/10/florida-republican-apology-transgender-comments-00091315]who in April disparaged[/link] transgender people during a Florida hearing on a bill, eventually signed into law, that makes it a misdemeanor offense for someone to use a bathroom that doesnt align with the sex they were assigned at birth.[/QUOTE]
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“I find that the plaintiffs motivation is love for their children and the desire to achieve the best possible treatment for them. This is not the States motivation.”
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Yup. Remember most of the Florida low brow knuckle draggers are the ones who are all about keep the government out of my healthcare.
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I believe some people are born to a body that is not in keeping with their gender identity. No matter how hard a father may try to masculize a son he sees starting to wearing dresses or growing to be attracted to a male, despite his best efforts, they will fail. Theres nothing wrong with his child, or his parenting. Its horrible that people have to go through this, but it exists. Being born the wrong gender in todays society is unfortunately, not supported or accepted as it should be. Would the father rather have his child commit suicide or have lifelong unhappiness because they cant be who they know they truly are and are face constant ridicule and rejection? These situations need to be met with love, support and acceptance. That is all.
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Most people love their children and just want to do something to be of help for their children, no matter the cause or reason. Unfortunately to a loud minority, these, those, their children are nothing more than abominations, “mutants and demons” as described in dergon’s post above.
Gay and transgender people have been with humanity as long as we’ve existed.
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The big meat ball Ron line is like children shouldn’t be able to cut off their parts. My guess is the biggest limiting factor is who can afford to do that. Assuming it’s 100% elective surgery for anyone. Healthcare in America. Pay some money when you’re not sick, and then pay even more when you are sick.
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It’s also an intentional conflation of temporary/reversible medical decisions (hormone therapy) with irreversible surgical (gender reassignment)
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Huckabee is a minister?
A Minister of Hate, maybe. Twisting things. Tolerance is not part of their Christian religion. It would make Jesuss head spin.
[link=https://newrepublic.com/article/173382/rights-war-target-lgbtq]https://newrepublic.com/article/173382/rights-war-target-lgbtq[/link]There is an important story here, but its not a story of backlash. To make sense of the campaign against Target, we need to understand how an amalgam of influencers, from white Christian nationalist politicians to violent far-right street groups, have been unashamedly grafting a vintage [link=https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-target-pride-LGBTQ-satanic-998363252236]Satanic Panic narrative[/link] of child mutilation and pedophilia onto the retailers annual displays of mass-produced rainbow kitsch (which is more celebrated for its [link=https://www.them.us/story/target-pride-collection-2023-review]high meme potential[/link] than anything else).
The backlash, in truth, is the invention of people like Charlie Kirk, the co-founder of [link=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/23/turning-point-rightwing-youth-group-critics-tactics]misinformation-peddling[/link] right-wing youth group Turning Point USA, which now [link=https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/charlie-kirk-turning-point-usa-pivots-to-christian-nationalism-1234740083/]increasingly[/link] appeals to Christian nationalist aims such as restor[ing] Americas biblical values. Kirk is just one of many figures on the right whose Twitter feeds fill at this time of year with scapegoating commentary alleging that Pride is a vehicle for groomingand who spend a lot of the rest of the year pushing anti-LGBTQ propaganda too. On his self-titled streaming show on May 24, Kirk [link=https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-encourages-his-audience-bankrupt-target-selling-pride-merchandise]stumbled[/link] through an imagined demise of TargetChapter 11, OK? I want skull and bones all the way down to the absolute nails of the storesbefore steadying himself with the rhetoric of violent backlash. The only thing [Target] understand is force, Kirk said. Pain is a teacher, and the pain of crossing the line to perverting our children and grooming them, its going to be a lesson I hope corporate America watches because ordinary America is pushing back.
On June 5, Mike Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas, echoed Kirk. On the [link=https://twitter.com/tperkins/status/1665838960806072320]podcast[/link] hosted by Family Research Council head Tony Perkins, Huckabee claimed that Pride was no longer about those people who are homosexual or lesbian and who just want to be able to love who [they] want to love. (After the Supreme Courts ruling to legalize same-sex marriage in 2015, Huckabee [link=https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-gov-mike-huckabee-sen-bernie-sanders/story?id=32037293]invoked[/link] Martin Luther King Jr. in voicing his support for elected officials who may refuse to follow the law.) No, Huckabee claimed, this is about forcing people to accept a lifestyle that includes the most irrational things, like mutilation of childrens bodies, and permanently and irreparably doing damage to them. Huckabees daughter, current Arkansas Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders, has signed several anti-LGBTQ laws this session, including an anti-trans [link=https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/22/politics/arkansas-transgender-bathroom-ban-law/index.html]bathroom ban[/link] and her own [link=https://katv.com/news/local/republican-governor-sarah-huckabee-sanders-to-end-failed-status-quo-by-signing-school-voucher-plan-into-arkansas-learns-state-capitol-law-arizona-west-virginia-senate-breanne-davis-democrat-fred-love-gop-bryan-king-white-house-covid-gay-associated-press]version[/link] of Floridas Dont Say Gay law.
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[link=https://www.aol.com/news/most-americans-lessons-sexual-orientation-040100865.html]Most Americans say lessons about sexual orientation, gender belong in the classroom, survey finds
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A majority of Americans believe lessons about sexual orientation and gender identity should be taught in public schools, according to a survey released Thursday by the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI), although an increasing share of adults also believe that there are only two genders.
Few American adults 34 percent believe it is never appropriate to discuss same-sex romantic relationships in the classroom, according to the survey of more than 5,000 American adults. Republican respondents are more than three times as likely as Democrats to say this, at 55 percent and 18 percent, respectively.
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Funny that Frumious acts like he KNOWS that hormone therapy and puberty blockers are temporary/reversible in kids.
Meanwhile, today, UKs NHS banned puberty blockers for children outside of clinical research settings
[link=https://www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Interim-service-specification-for-Specialist-Gender-Incongruence-Services-for-Children-and-Young-People.pdf]https://www.england.nhs.u…n-and-Young-People.pdf[/link]
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“The NHS will only commission puberty supressing hormones as part of clinical research. This approach follows advice from Dr Hilary Cass Independent Review highlighting the significant uncertainties surrounding the use of hormone treatments.”
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More important news from the aunt Minnie fixated on trannies crowd
Wash your hands please
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So its OK for you all to have an entire thread dedicated to the topic, but I cannot comment.
Im just worried about the health of kids like the three 11 year old girls in my childs middle school class who think they are boys.
While you keep referring to them by hateful slurs. chiros brain is so small, he contributes absolutely nothing to any discussion except for hateful comments.
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chiros brain is so small, he contributes absolutely nothing to any discussion except for hateful comments.
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Do you get carpal tunnel from stroking over the trannies?
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Im just worried about the health of kids like the three 11 year old girls in my childs middle school class who think they are boys.
Why worry? Those kids have parents right? That’s their job.
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Its one of 2 things
1. he is making sheet up
2. Rural Missouri is insanely Fd up
If they have 3 kids in one grade school
Class who claim they are the opposite sexI have 2 kids that are middle school and high school in a district with 11,000 students and we do not have a single child that has came out as the other sec
Perhaps something is really Fd up in rural America
Or perhaps this guy is just making sheet up
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Im just worried about the health of kids like the three 11 year old girls in my childs middle school class who think they are boys.
Why worry? Those kids have parents right? That’s their job.
This.
Kids … with parents who love them and look to their best interests consulting their doctors.
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Yeah
Im actually more concerned about the kids in my district who dont have enough eat
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Im just worried about the health of kids like the three 11 year old girls in my childs middle school class who think they are boys.
Why worry? Those kids have parents right? That’s their job.
Why are you worried. You think they’ve been brainwashed somehow? “GROOMED” to be boys???
Maybe they actually know better than you what they are.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2023/06/06/pageboy-elliot-page-memoir-review/]https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2023/06/06/pageboy-elliot-page-memoir-review/[/link]
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Im just worried about the health of kids like the three 11 year old girls in my childs middle school class who think they are boys.
Why worry? Those kids have parents right? That’s their job.
Why are you worried, aspce1. You think they’ve been brainwashed somehow? “GROOMED” to be boys???
Maybe they actually know better than you what they are.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2023/06/06/pageboy-elliot-page-memoir-review/]https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2023/06/06/pageboy-elliot-page-memoir-review/[/link]-
Ok. Sterilize and give the kids premature osteoporosis when they cant consent.
Its strange to me that you wont even consider that there may be a legitimate reason that the UK suspended the practice.
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Transgender youth have always been with us.
You are arguing they are delusional? And based on what? Your desire? All they need is a llittle indoctrination to teach/pray the gay/transgender away? I’ll bet it’s been tried over and over again with very unhappy results.
From 2014:
[link=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/born-this-way-stories-of-young-transgender-children/]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/born-this-way-stories-of-young-transgender-children/[/link]
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They are not delusional. That has different DSM criteria. It is a called gender dysphoria, as defined in the DSM.
Surgically removing childrens sex organs and permanently sterilizing them with hormones is akin to affirming a childs anorexic body dysmorphia with weight loss medication and surgery.
The extremely low BMI child with anorexia is NOT fat, just as the child with a uterus and ovaries is NOT male.
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You are an immature disgusting piece of crap. Grow up.
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There are multitudes of parents making medical decisions every day based on their own ethics and in consultation with their doctors that we might not agree with and that carry some medical risk.
Christian Scientists decline therapies. Jehovah’s Witnesses refuse blood transfusions. Parents refuse vaccines that might prevent genital warts and cervical cancer. Some parents have their kids get cosmetic procedures like rhinoplasty or early breast augmentation. Some start treatment on psychoactive drugs like Adderall. Others refuse that drug.
We may disagree with any of these decisions to act or not to act. But as long as the parents are acting in good faith with their provider, as a society we let that decision be made by them.
But somehow when it’s gender affirming care for trans kids we’re supposed to throw up governmental intrusion to prevent therapy (despite the fact that the vast majority of medical societies approve of such care)? It just doesn’t make medical sense.
It’s a moral/cultural/ societal anti-trans argument being pushed as “why won’t anybody think of the children!?”
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4043465-hobbs-vetoes-transgender-bathroom-bill/]Arizona governor vetoes transgender bathroom bill, condemns it as attack on children[/link][/h2]
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What children get their sex organs surgically removed?
Post some examples. Ive seen fantastic reports in right wing media about toddlers allegedly getting surgery to remove sex organs.
This sounds like another PizzaGate & Satanic Panic fantasy by conservatives who imagine the most fantastic things.
Where, who, when, why? Should be simple to provide actual examples of children having surgery as you claim.
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[link=https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-norway-not-ban-gender-affirming-care-956221436313]https://apnews.com/articl…ming-care-956221436313[/link]
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The World Professional Association for Transgender Health said hormones could be started at age 14, two years earlier than the groups previous advice, and some surgeries done at age 15 or 17, a year or so earlier than previous guidance.
[link=https://apnews.com/article/gender-transition-treatment-guidelines-9dbe54f670a3a0f5f2831c2bf14f9bbb]https://apnews.com/articl…a3a0f5f2831c2bf14f9bbb[/link]
Either way, chemical sterilization is no better than surgical sterilization.
And my anorexia analogy is spot on.
All you ever do is attack one tiny portion of my entire argument and think you have invalidated my entire argument.
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Frumious: [link=https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-norway-not-ban-gender-affirming-care-956221436313]https://apnews.com/articl…ming-care-956221436313[/link]
Care to weigh in on the UK banning chemical transition in children outside of clinical research settings?
Its probably got nothing to do with health/mental health and everything to do with the fact that theyve become transphobic bigots, correct?
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Either way, chemical sterilization is no better than surgical sterilization.
The two are very very very very different.
Hormonal therapy is transient and reversible. Yes there are potential side effects. But as I noted above we allow parents of children to act in good faith to undertake (or not) many treatments, often controversial, in consultation with their doctor. Hormonal therapy for transgender youth should be no different.-
The current [link=https://www.helsedirektoratet.no/retningslinjer/kjonnsinkongruens/utredning-behandling-og-oppfolging#ved-kjonnsinkongruens-bor-generelle-prinsipper-for-utredning-og-behandling-folges-praktisk]guidelines[/link] say minors with gender dysphoria should undergo an interdisciplinary assessment by a team of healthcare specialists, and from there may receive puberty-delaying treatment once puberty has started, and estrogen or androgen hormone therapy no earlier than age 16. The guidelines say surgical treatment is generally not applicable for minors under 18, but chest surgery may be appropriate in special cases, based on a comprehensive assessment and parental consent.
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As for the UK doing it…. their conservatives in power are just as much a**holes anti-trans homophobes as are US Republicans. So it doesn’t surprise me that Sunak, with his anti-LGBT cabinet, is giving a big hug to the right wing nut jobs just like here in America.
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Either way, chemical sterilization is no better than surgical sterilization.
The two are very very very very different.
Hormonal therapy is transient and reversible.
In adults, yes. Puberty blockers in kids, well they block puberty. They leave the kids with a permanently altered body.
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Puberty blockers in kids, well they block puberty. They leave the kids with a permanently altered body.
But at least their psychologic dysmorphia is affirmed. Again, akin to an anorexic teenager getting weight loss medications to affirm their psychologic dysmorphia
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Dergon and frumious assert that the UK suspended medical gender reassignment in minors because they are a**holes anti-trans homophobes
I will reiterate the NHSs statement:
The NHS will only commission puberty supressing hormones as part of clinical research. This approach follows advice from Dr Hilary Cass Independent Review highlighting the significant uncertainties surrounding the use of hormone treatments.”
Absolutely bc they care nothing about evidence based medicine and the health of children and they are transphobic a$$holes, .
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Dergon and frumious assert that the UK suspended medical gender reassignment in minors because they are a**holes anti-trans homophobes
I will reiterate the NHSs statement:
The NHS will only commission puberty supressing hormones as part of clinical research. This approach follows advice from Dr Hilary Cass Independent Review highlighting the significant uncertainties surrounding the use of hormone treatments.”
Absolutely bc they care nothing about evidence based medicine and the health of children and they are transphobic a$$holes, .
Finland and Sweden are also apparently run by conservative azzholes who only want to see trans kids die and are unconcerned with clinical evidence.
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Frumi claimed in linking article it was conservatives. I guess he doesnt know if you look at map of US most of the states that outlawed conversion therapy are blue states. Its the states along the coasts including his state NJ.
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Frumi claimed in linking article it was conservatives. I guess he doesnt know if you look at map of US most of the states that outlawed conversion therapy are blue states. Its the states along the coasts including his state NJ.
Hypocrisy abounds. The state regulating medical practice is only bad if it outlaws things we want.
Even WPATH, the advocacy group that drives all this doesn’t claim in their guidelines that puberty blockers and cross gender hormones are harmless and reversible. The data that shows puberty blockers to be ‘safe’ is from kids with precocious puberty, where they are used to push puberty back by a year or two to avoid the early cessation of bone growth. There is no good controlled data on the use in biologically normal adolescents. By using puberty blockers they create things like micropenis in boys and a altered vaginal anatomy in girls. To say that this is benign or reversible is simply contrary to medical evidence.
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This was a point made in Sweden’s decision to ban blockers in kids. Researchers told them [b]it would be nothing but one big experiment on kids. [/b]
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[b][i]There is no good controlled data on the use in biologically normal adolescents. [/i][/b]
This was a point made in Sweden’s decision to ban blockers in kids. Researchers told them [b]it would be nothing but one big experiment on kids. [/b]
Background info/data/research on Sweden’s decision is an interesting read. Sweden’s parliament is hardly a mecca for conservatives.And it would be a valid question to study in a somehow controlled fashion. It’ll never be randomized controlled, but there should be a way to set up a case control type of design.
Some of the studies used to justify these interventions have 12mo follow up periods. 12 months on something that has effects lasting for 6 1/2 decades.
The craziest thing is the witch hunt against any researcher or clinician who doesn’t subscribe to the orthodoxy. But I guess it’s easier to get ‘scientific consensus’ if you crush dissenting opinions.
Researching whether using those permanent interventions vs. an approach limited to social transition and psychological support has a durable superior result would be an ethical thing to do. Putting kids on puberty blockers after a cursory psychological exam by a clinician advocate is not.
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Researching whether using those permanent interventions vs. an approach limited to social transition and psychological support has a durable superior result would be an ethical thing to do. Putting kids on puberty blockers after a cursory psychological exam by a clinician advocate is not.
This should be the way.
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Frumious: [link=https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-norway-not-ban-gender-affirming-care-956221436313]https://apnews.com/articl…ming-care-956221436313[/link]
Care to weigh in on the UK banning chemical transition in children outside of clinical research settings?
Its probably got nothing to do with health/mental health and everything to do with the fact that theyve become transphobic bigots, correct?
So where are your examples of toddlers getting sex change surgery? 14 year olds getting surgery?
You want me to argue against the phantasms of your mind. Can’t do that.
Show us some facts for a change not PizzaGate.
As for Britain, as dergon says, same a22holes, different accent from American A22hole clones. Or they’re the clones. Whatever, conservatives are the problem in both countries. They aren’t banning children, they’re banning EVERYONE form getting medical help.
[link=https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64304142]https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64304142[/link]-
Again he is probably just making shit up
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Frumi Did you read the article you posted? The ban is for conversion therapy which many experts agree and has been banned in states in this country. Where did you come up with they are stopping people from getting help. They are stopping people from getting bad help and not attempting to change ones sexuality or gender identity through therapy.
As for figures on surgery I previously posted them in another thread. I believe it was 56 surgical genitalia and over 700 mastectomies performed on kids. That number does not include anyone that self paid.
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home schooler lecturing us on science
Just StFU
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The craziest thing is the witch hunt against any researcher or clinician who doesn’t subscribe to the orthodoxy. But I guess it’s easier to get ‘scientific consensus’ if you crush dissenting opinions.
This is the new way.
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Yes like the witch hunts against the Hydroxychloroquine pumpers ivermectin hacks and anti vaxxers
Everyone diserves equal time and to be heard
F science
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Dont you whack jobs ever worry about Karma
What if god gives you
A Gay or trans child?Are you going to send them to conversion therapy
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Dont you whack jobs ever worry about Karma
What if god gives you
A Gay or trans child?Are you going to send them to conversion therapy
Prospect of a gay kid doesn’t worry me one bit. They like who they like. These days, nobody cares.
I don’t worry about having a trans kid either. I would worry about having a kid with depression bad enough that they could suffer from the symptom of gender dysphoria.
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Begs the question
Why are you trying to deter the rights of other parents who are dealing with this issue
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[i][b]Why are you trying to deter the rights of other parents who are dealing with this issue[/b][/i]
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What an interesting question. My posts are actually out of concern for parents rights and for the childs appropriate care and not one of opposition. What is being advocated; there are no parents rights. School districts allow kids to change their names, pronouns, having Michael come to school one day and announce he is Michelle with NO communication to the parent. Because of the mental health risk the child may or may not be experiencing to keep this from the parents so they can observe and look for behaviors in their child is unconscionable.
Teachers, that [b]ARE NOT[/b] qualified, are discussing/counseling kids on this issue. All of us would never see a medical practionar that is not qualified yet I cannot understand how parents or even school boards/officials think nothing of letting unqualified personnel work w kids on their mental health.
When you have school counselor discussing transitioning w a 13 yo girl, providing her w a chest binder (medical device) and telling her to NOT discuss this w her mother is pushing this issue. School officials wont deal with it. This is why parents get involved. And they are not all conservatives.
Dont you find it odd that if your kids class takes a field trip or if the local high school sponsors a blood drive written parental permission is required for participation. Yet, we have schools w non-qualified personnel that are working w kids that have a mental health disorder and the parents may not be told. If there is self-harm statistically it will occur at home. (85% of suicides occur home) Most cases the parents are the ones that find their child.
Then there is Michael. One day he makes a proclamation he is a she, then gets to use the girls locker rooms and even though they are a biological male to be politically correct we let them play sports on the girls team, and change in their locker rooms. Something you yourself have posted you are against.
Funny that w COVID we were all told its about the science but that all seems to disappear and so that we can say boys are girls and vice versa.
As fw and apce have already posted, we are too quick to start these kids on the blockers and not the use of a qualified counseling therapist to work long term w these kids. Sweden found similar issues. Sweden also found that the number of kids that announced they were transgender corresponded with the increase discussion, videos, etc found online. Since then, the number of kids in Sweden declaring they were transgender is decreasing. So, there is potential that some of these kids may view being transgender as cool or the thing to be due to the attention they get. Not all of them have the ability to comprehend this. Unfortunately the quick use of blockers results in irreversible harm when that child may realize they are not.
Lastly you posted. I am against conversion therapy. It does not work because so many times it gets tied into organized religion. My post pointed out that it was bad treatment. I have no issues w states outlawing the therapy.
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Excellent excellent post, Ixray.
As for this:
Sweden also found that the number of kids that announced they were transgender corresponded with the increase discussion, videos, etc found online. Since then, the number of kids in Sweden declaring they were transgender is decreasing. So, there is potential that some of these kids may view being transgender as cool or the thing to be due to the attention they get. Not all of them have the ability to comprehend this. Unfortunately the quick use of blockers results in irreversible harm when that child may realize they are not.
I recently watched the Matt Walsh documentary, What Is A Woman.
In it, he interviews a surgeon who claims to have done more transgender surgeries on minors than anyone in the country. The surgeon is a transgender person themselves. This surgeon even admitted that there seems to be a social contagion component given the marked interval recent increase in kids claiming to be transgender.
There is no doubt in my mind that, left medically and surgical unaltered, and if given appropriate mental health care for any underlying depression/anxiety, a large large proportion of these children with gender dysphoria will come to accept themselves and their bodies the way they are and will be healthy happy functional gay/lesbian (or straight) adults.
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There were similar results seen in kids that were anorexic.
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I know it is very different but if you don’t think there is not a social contagion I would suggest you all think about the fad/obsession w tattoos.
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There are multitudes of parents making medical decisions every day based on their own ethics and in consultation with their doctors that we might not agree with and that carry some medical risk.
Christian Scientists decline therapies. Jehovah’s Witnesses refuse blood transfusions. Parents refuse vaccines that might prevent genital warts and cervical cancer. Some parents have their kids get cosmetic procedures like rhinoplasty or early breast augmentation. Some start treatment on psychoactive drugs like Adderall. Others refuse that drug.
We may disagree with any of these decisions to act or not to act. But as long as the parents are acting in good faith with their provider, as a society we let that decision be made by them.
But somehow when it’s gender affirming care for trans kids we’re supposed to throw up governmental intrusion to prevent therapy (despite the fact that the vast majority of medical societies approve of such care)? It just doesn’t make medical sense.
It’s a moral/cultural/ societal anti-trans argument being pushed as “why won’t anybody think of the children!?”
probably an A+ example. Circumcision.
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Children who medically/surgically transition often are never able to attain sexual orgasm as adults, are typically permanently infertile, have nonfunctioning disfigured sexual organs (micropenis, disfigured female external genitalia), can have premature osteoporosis, and they may have other unforeseen consequences as there has been no long term testing of these medications for this purpose. (And we are the people seen as evil for questioning this practice).
Id argue that circumcision is not an A+ comparison. But if you want to discuss its lack of medical necessity, I doubt youd find me in an argument with you.
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Since when do teachers make medical
Decisions pertaining to gender affirmative care????Thats not happening anywhere
If a child comes to a school
Counselor or a teacher and asks a question that they are afraid to ask their parents what exactly is a teacher to do?Who the hello would want to be a teacher today??? No wonder there is a shortage
They get vilified for everything by the right
Show a Disney movie or answer a fng question and get threatened with jail time
I sure as F wouldnt want to teach
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[i][b]Since when do teachers make medical[/b][/i]
[i][b]Decisions pertaining to gender affirmative care????[/b][/i]
[i][b]Thats not happening anywhere[/b][/i]
The chest binder issue I posted has in fact happened. It occurred in Damariscotta ME. A lawsuit has been filed and is proceeding through court. The child was withdrawn from the school district by her mother. The story was carried by national outlets.-
So answer my question chiro – are this girl’s parental rights being violated?
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Kind of ironic chiro there is a lawsuit in CO by two families.
[i]Two [link=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/colorado/index.html]Colorado[/link] families are suing their children’s school district over allegations that teachers and administrators encouraged their daughters to join an [link=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/gay-and-lesbian-rights/index.html]LGBTQ[/link] club and keep the activities a ‘secret’ from them.[/i]
Were the parental rights violated here? Encouraging student join a club and keep it a secret? The CO case involves 6th graders-
Talk about an abuse of authority. The kids are in school w person of authority and control that has issued an instruction to the kids not to discuss the club. Wow talk about putting these kids in a a difficult situation. What do you think the psychological issue these kids are faced with?
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Kind of ironic chiro there is a lawsuit in CO by two families.
Two Colorado families are suing their children’s school district over allegations that teachers and administrators encouraged their daughters to join an LGBTQ club and keep the activities a ‘secret’ from them.
Were the parental rights violated here? Encouraging student join a club and keep it a secret? The CO case involves 6th graders
Come back and talk to me when they win their lawsuit
You can sue anyone for anything
I guess In Republicanville allegations are truths
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Since when do teachers make medical
Decisions pertaining to gender affirmative care????Thats not happening anywhere
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Very true
I must be totally out of the loop and live on a different planet
Because on your planet teachers are making kids gay
You are all correct and obviously its the goal of the liberal educators in this country to make all of your children gay or Trans
I repeat republicans are fng crazy and create their own deranged alternative version of reality
And why the F would anyone want to be a teacher today in this country when there is so much open hostility towards them
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Id argue that circumcision is not an A+ comparison. But if you want to discuss its lack of medical necessity, I doubt youd find me in an argument with you.
It sure is for parents making a choice. Who consented to get the snip? It’s just done.
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You could say the same thing for piercing babies ears. Again, the circumcision/medical-surgical transition analogy is silly.
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If you hear about on FOX News or OAN or Newsmax or read about it on the Internet then it has to be true
National news outlets reported it
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[b]Because on your planet teachers are making kids gay[/b]
The above is your reply? Hysterical your BS. You asked a question about parental rights. I gave you an answer, which you don’t like. Science is the very mantra you used in COVID forum over and over again on HQ and ivermectin, which you just posted again.
Not one poster as ever made the bolded statement. You just can’t accept there is a real issue with kids that needs extensive research and long term studies. You reply w an attacking false accusation rather than answer my questions.
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Wait the cases sited above????
You mean the allegations you read about on the internet or saw on a opinionated news station?
Please let me know when these cars go to court and what the court finds
Because on my planet they deal in actual truths and facts
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But maybe rural America is actually this Fd up and liberal teacher are brainwashing your kids to be gay
Maybe Im totally wrong
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[i][b]Who consented to get the snip? It’s just done. [/b][/i]
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[i][b]Who consented to get the snip? It’s just done. [/b][/i]
Not true. Parents have to give consent. There are some medical issues for doing it but nothing that is a real strong necessity.
we’re talking about parents making decisions for kids. Kids don’t get to make those decisions, right? There’s this delusional argument that a kid is going to go to a physician and decide hey make a me a boy/girl. Letting kids mutilate themselves or whatever MTG says.
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The thing is, chiro, according to the rules laid out by the LGBTQIA2S+ folx, all one has to do to be female is to identify as female. Just ask Lia Thomas and Lias huge penis and Adams Apple. Or Dr.. Rachel Levine and Rachels penis and Adams apple. Or Dylan Mulvaney.
There would be an uprising if some dude transitioned and started literally dunking on all the WNBA chicks the way Leah Thomas metaphorically dunked on the entire collegiate swimming league.
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It really sounds like in your world you are really overrun by transgenders
They are taking over because the liberals are making them gay
Must be a very odd world you live in
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Topless transgender people flaunting their bare chests and breasts on the White House front lawn during the White House pride event yesterday. Overrun by transgenders, if you will (your term).
[link=https://twitter.com/againstgrmrs/status/1668621335201980420?s=46&t=Rf5Slh6vTdZ1HlG6L2Fkcw]https://twitter.com/again…Rf5Slh6vTdZ1HlG6L2Fkcw[/link]
Decency is on the ballot
-Jill Biden, 10/27/2020
Cue the but,Trump! posts in 3, 2, 1
Repulsive, shameful, embarrassing, humiliating. This is a disgrace to our nation and a disgrace to us.
Topless trans people AT THE WHITE HOUSE — what incredible representation for the world to see.
And people in our community really wonder why anti-LGBT sentiment is growing??… pic.twitter.com/pWcvhrGN0e
— Gays Against Groomers (@againstgrmrs) June 13, 2023
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