[kayla.meyer_144]

A disaster. Free media time in a very friendly forum of Trumpers. “Own the Libs” was the only goal by Trump & Trumpers & they did.
 
[link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/cnn-brings-donald-trump-back-republican-primary-lies-jan-6-campaign-3177cdc8?mod=hp_opin_pos_2#cxrecs_s]https://www.wsj.com/articles/cnn-brings-donald-trump-back-republican-primary-lies-jan-6-campaign-3177cdc8[/link]

Quote from Peggy Noonan

Well, that was a disaster, a politically historic one. It situated [link=https://www.wsj.com/topics/person/donald-trump]Donald Trump[/link] as the central figure of the 2024 presidential cycle, certainly more compelling than the incumbent or the other competitors. It will have an impact on the campaigns trajectory.
 
When it was over I thought, of CNN: Once again theyve made Trump real.
[b]It was one of those events in which you understood within 45 seconds what you were seeing. He was greeted by a standing ovation. The audience didnt surprise itself by doing this; it knew how it felt. [/b]
 
From that moment Mr. Trump dominated.

 
He steamrolled the moderator, talking over her, dismissing her, as they stood together, as nasty. He spoke with what seemed like conviction, backed down on nothing, made things up.
 
If I were the president of CNN Id feel like the Alec Guinness character at the end of The Bridge on the River Kwai. Suddenly he realizes that all his work, his entire mission, only helped the bad people he meant to oppose. What have I done?
 
He spun out assertions, charges and interpretations. His special talent, his truest superpower, is seeming to believe whatever pops out of his mouth, and sticking to it. Observers shake their heads despairingly: He lies and people believe him. I think its worse than that. [b]He lies and a lot of supporters can tell [/i]its a liethey know from their own memory its a lie, that, say, Jan. 6 wasnt a beautiful day of patriots full of lovebut they dont mind. They admire his sheer ability to spin it out.[/b]
 
[b]Youre tickled by his boldness, his fearlessness, and when the lie drives the media and the stuffed shirts mad, youre delighted. Hes subverting the elites and the corrupt power structures theyve erected. And the great thing is youre in on the joke, on the mischief. You get to take part.[/b]

 

[btomba_77]

[b]CNN Loses to Newsmax in Primetime Ratings[/b]

Two days after the network pulled in more than 3.3 million viewers for its widely criticized town hall with former President Donald Trump, CNN found itself in fourth place among cable news networks in primetime, the Daily Beast reports.

Worse yet, it finished behind MAGA channel Newsmax, which until recently was barely nabbing a nightly audience of 100,000.

[kaldridgewv2211]

Is it the end of CNN?  

[Unknown Member]

They are trying to please everyone by letting everyone have their own soap box

Even the crazies

Recipe for disaster

[kayla.meyer_144]

Trying to appease those who applaud rape & corruption & authoritarianism in their candidate.
 
Why could possibly go wrong with the Neville Chamberlain approach.

[Unknown Member]

Best just to stick with the truth and let it all shake out in the wash

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/05/trump-cnn-town-hall-e-jean-carroll-comments/674100/]https://www.theatlantic.c…rroll-comments/674100/[/link]

[h1]What the CNN Town Hall Really Revealed[/h1] [b]Mocking the sexual-harassment reckoning is a feature of Donald Trumps political persona.[/b]

[b]The stunning laughter when Trump belittled Carroll underlined how for many Republican voters, skepticism about womens claims of unfair or improper treatment now intertwines with hostility to other forms of cultural change, including growing racial diversity and demands for equal treatment from the LGBTQ community. [/b]Were in the middle of a backlash to racial and gender progress, in which Trump has normalized the expression of racist and sexist beliefs, Tresa Undem, a pollster for progressive organizations who specializes in attitudes about gender and race, told me. Hes constantly tapping into these beliefs.

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[b]Resistance to demands for greater gender equality remains a defining attribute of the Trump-era GOP electorate. [/b][link=https://perryundem.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/PerryUndem-Landscape-of-Views-toward-Women-Gender-and-Abortion.pdf]A national poll conducted last summer by Undems firm[/link] found that about two-thirds of Republican voters agreed that women are too easily offended, nearly three-fifths said that most women interpret innocent remarks or acts as being sexist, slightly more than seven in 10 agreed that these days society seems to punish men just for acting like men, and almost seven in 10 agreed that white men are the most attacked group in the country right now. Most Republicans in that poll also agreed that there is full equality for women in work, life and politics, and most agreed that they were more comfortable with women having traditional roles in society such as caring for children and family. Further, a preponderant majority of Republicans in the poll expressed unfavorable views of the #MeToo movement, as they did of Black Lives Matter.

The common thread linking these GOP views on gender, many scholars say, is the belief that women demanding more equality are really seeking favored treatment and trying to take away opportunities from men, Erin Cassese, a University of Delaware political scientist who studies gender and politics, told me. That conviction generates pushback among the men and women alike who feel more comfortable in traditional gender roles: Strikingly, not only did large majorities of Republican men endorse the statements about gender in Undems survey, but so tooin almost all instancesdid a majority of Republican women. Women who vote for Trump, Schaffner said, feel almost as unfavorable as his male supporters toward women who are pushing against those traditional gender roles.

Watching Trumps approach to abortion, the jury verdict in the Carroll case, and other gender-related flash points during the New Hampshire event, the Democratic pollster Anna Greenberg remembers thinking: There is not a suburban or college-educated or independent woman who is not an evangelical Christian who is going to vote for this man. As the GOP nominee next year, Trump might offset further losses with female voters by extending his 2020 inroads among Latino and Black men, who lean toward more conservative views on gender roles. But female voters consistently cast the majority of votes in presidential general elections, which means that even if Trump gets that far, the women enraged by the attitudes revealed at last weeks town hall may still get the last laugh.

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[btomba_77]

[h1][b]Networks Dont Want to Repeat CNNs Mistake[/b][/h1]  
[link=https://www.semafor.com/newsletter/05/21/2023/ron-desantis-shut-out-the-media-thats-changing]Semafor[/link]: While Trumps team has privately made it clear that they viewed the CNN town hall as a success and would welcome others, the networks do not want to repeat CNNs apparent mistakes, and are only seeking one-on-one live or pre-taped interviews with Trump.
 

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/05/23/cable-news-demise-trump-cnn-ratings-streaming]https://www.washingtonpos…-cnn-ratings-streaming[/link]

The looming existential crisis for cable news[/h1] [h2]The number of cable subscribers, dropping for years, just took a record-breaking plunge. Sooner or later, it will hurt news channels bottom line.[/h2]

The leading cable networks remain enormously profitable, largely because of the economic dynamics of the larger cable industry. The financial foundation of cable news isnt advertising but the license fees that cable-system operators pay for the right to carry them. Regardless of whether a cable subscriber watches Fox, CNN or MSNBC, their monthly cable payments help fund those companies.
….
But the day could soon come when an exodus of cable subscribers leaves cable operators unable to afford the hefty license fees that those news programmers now command.

…

… its not hard to spot the trouble signs. The rest of the cable lineup has sagged disastrously over the past decade as younger viewers have deserted cable. USA Network, once the most popular cable channel, has lost 75 percent of its nightly audience over 10 years. FX is down 68 percent. History Channel is off by 65 percent.
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[kayla.meyer_144]

I would love to see Fox Nation become a subscription model only.
 
But then theyd lose a ton of money.

[btomba_77]

CNN will also be doing live town hall events with both Nikki Haley and Mike Pence.
 
 
The second event has a working title “Hanging around with Mike Pence”

[kayla.meyer_144]

Moderates. Milquetoasts disguised as “neutral” free-thinkers.
 
For some reason “moderates” must criticize so-called “Liberal” & Progressive ideas as extreme, while remaining rather sotto voce on Right-wing/MAGA/Trumpism.
 
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/06/anti-woke-centrism-cnn-chris-licht-atlantic-profile/]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/06/anti-woke-centrism-cnn-chris-licht-atlantic-profile/[/link]

In a roughly 15,000-word profile [link=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2023/06/cnn-ratings-chris-licht-trump/674255/]published last week by the Atlantic[/link], CNN chief executive Chris Licht, who has complained that the networks journalists were too opinionated when Donald Trump was president, gave a lot of, well, opinions.

He expressed skepticism about defunding the police and about using trans-inclusive language when referring to people who give birth to children. He implied people of color with Harvard degrees dont add diversity to newsrooms and suggested that the news media should have more reporters who are religious, who own guns and who lived on food stamps as kids. He speculated that covid-19 deaths might have been overcounted by public officials. He said journalists should not virtue signal and that its hard to have difficult conversations without being demonized or labeled.
 
By anti-woke, what I mean is skepticism of progressive causes and ideas, especially on issues of gender, race and sexuality. The term woke is vague and imprecise. But I think it does capture the [link=https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-attacking-cancel-culture-and-woke-people-is-becoming-the-gops-new-political-strategy/]movements toward greater equality[/link] such as Black Lives Matter that have gained strength and prominence over the past decade, particularly since the protests after the killing of George Floyd.
 
You might call this centrism and, to some extent, it is. But this is not the centrism of say, President Biden, who opposes some left-wing causes but doesnt spend a lot of time deriding people who support them. Anti-woke centrism is really about emphasizing differences with progressives, who are inaccurately cast as [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/08/opinion/democrats-david-shor-education-polarization.html]Twitter-obsessed college graduates[/link] who [link=https://dailycaller.com/2021/06/24/flashback-bill-maher-attacks-latinx-pandering-white-politicians/]constantly use terms like Latinx [/link]and [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/20/briefing/biden-2024.html]are out of touch with ordinary Democratic voters[/link].
 

[b]Also, this kind of centrism isnt usually described with that term by the people who practice it. Instead, they cast themselves as nonideological and neutral, while arguing that those who criticize them are dogmatic and nonobjective.[/b] 
 

Licht and Elon Musk, who has [link=https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/elon-musk-says-wokeness-is-divisive-exclusionary-and-hateful]expressed similar sentiments[/link], control two hugely important media platforms. Their views matter. That they have become consumed by this anti-wokeism has meant that [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/09/02/john-harwood-cnn-chris-licht-stelter-opinion/?itid=lk_inline_manual_26]great journalists were fired at CNN[/link] for being too anti-Trump and that Twitters verification system was disabled it seemed because Musk felt it gave too much prominence to left-wing people.

There can and should be open debate about police reform, diversity, covid-19 policies and other issues both between the two parties and among progressives and other non-Republicans.[b] But when we have a left that is pushing America to finish the work of the 1960s and create a true multicultural democracy and a right that is banning Black intellectual ideas from public schools, its a huge mistake for powerful non-Republicans in society to spend so much time bashing the left. This anti-woke centrism often sounds as though people are auditioning to be todays version of the white moderates the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. [link=https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html]castigated six decades ago[/link].[/b]

I cant tell if the anti-woke dont understand whats actually happening in America or if they actively oppose a more equitable country.

[Unknown Member]

Licht and Elon Musk, who has expressed similar sentiments, control two hugely important media platforms. Their views matter

Bingo

Basically these are wealthy people trying to control what they perceived as a liberal media bias an manipulate the media in their own narrative just substitute David Zaslav for Licht who was basically a puppet

[kaldridgewv2211]

Imagine if YouTube TV let you pick your channels.  I think most of the news Channels would be in a world of hurt including CNN.  Give me ABC,NBC, CBS, Fox, FX, ESPN, PBS, and HBO for like $20 a month.  done deal.

[kayla.meyer_144]

And….Chris Licht is OUT! Effective immediately!

[btomba_77]

Quote from Frumious

And….Chris Licht is OUT! Effective immediately!

Not surprising.  He got crushed by the recent reporting and there was a full on mutiny under way. 
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

 
 
“Anti-woke Centrists.”
 
You would think the more important thing is to be anti-MAGA Centrists. After all, the “woke” people haven’t been moving the Center to the Right all these decades, it’s been the conservatives moving us into extremist territory. When they start admiring Putin & Orban, you know it is NOT the “woke” crowd who has the problem.
 
At least if you have a remnant of a brain.
 
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/07/chris-licht-cnn-centrist-politics/]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/07/chris-licht-cnn-centrist-politics/[/link]

A New York jury on May 9 [link=https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a4b98bb3947d42af9ec83d7db]found Donald Trump liable[/link] for sexually abusing E. Jean Carroll, an advice columnist who sued him years after the assault she alleged. The next day, CNN held its much-criticized town hall with Trump. In its tee-up coverage, a chyron that included the term SEXUAL ABUSE appeared on the screen. A lieutenant of CNN chief executive Chris Licht notified the control room: Scrub those words.
 

That morsel surfaced in a [link=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2023/06/cnn-ratings-chris-licht-trump/674255/]searing profile of Licht[/link] that appeared last week in the Atlantic under the byline of Tim Alberta a piece that aggregated a run of bad stories about Licht and added a few new ones. On Wednesday morning, CNN staffers learned that Licht was out, [link=https://puck.news/lichts-out/]as first reported by Pucks Dylan Byers[/link].
 

There are many subplots to Lichts abbreviated tour, but the sexual abuse chyron moment captures a critical one: His departure marks the failure of his mandate delivered from his corporate overlords, including Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav to recalibrate the networks political sensibility toward the center. To the extent that anyone ever understood what that meant for actual CNN broadcasts, its now clear that it meant sanitizing the screen in deference to the Republican front-runner.

 
As Alberta notes, Zaslav told others that he needed an outsider like Licht to revamp CNN because Republican politicians had told him they were no longer willing to come on the network. And John Malone, chairman of a company with a large stake in Discovery, [link=https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/john-malone-says-warnermedia-discovery-getting-rid-of-cnn-would-be-the-cowards-way-out.html]told CNBC[/link], [b]I would like to see CNN evolve back to the kind of journalism that it started with, and actually have journalists, which would be unique and refreshing.[/b]
 
[b]Uh: [link=https://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/cnn-fact-sheet/]CNN is brimming with journalists[/link]  journalists who, for example, have been breaking stories on the [link=https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/politics/trump-tape-classified-document-iran-milley/index.html]investigation of former president Trump[/link] over classified documents or [link=https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-05-23/index.html]sending dispatches from Kyiv[/link] or criticizing their own network for its crummy Trump town hall, as Oliver Darcy and [link=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/18/cnn-trump-town-hall-christiane-amanpour-criticism]Christiane Amanpour[/link] did.[/b] Darcy wrote in his newsletter, Its hard to see how America was served by the spectacle of lies that aired on CNN Wednesday evening and received a [link=https://twitter.com/DylanByers/status/1657146670386384896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1657146670386384896%7Ctwgr%5E39441f93448e14532bd71d73ff1b97b4c75b090e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediaite.com%2Fnews%2Fcnns-oliver-darcy-reportedly-scolded-by-boss-chris-licht-over-emotional-trump-town-hall-coverage-they-put-the-fear-of-god-into-him%2F]scolding from Licht for being too emotional, according to Byers[/link].
 

Emotional, in this context, is a bro-scold for telling the truth about Trump.
 
A lot of people are Monday-morning-quarterbacking about what happened, Lemon is quoted in the Atlantic piece. You have to remember the time that we were in. Every single day, we were being attacked by the former administration. And thats not hyperbole. We had bombs sent to this very network.
 
Well, the centrist jersey isnt fitting too well, either considering that it apparently means defanging truthful coverage, giving [link=https://thehill.com/homenews/3999009-gop-lawmaker-takes-shot-at-kaitlan-collins-while-on-cnn-panel-after-trump-town-hall/]voice to an election denier[/link] and dressing down a staffer such as Darcy for doing his job. Those actual journalists at CNN wouldnt stand for all that, and they made their opinions clear, both on the record and on background ([link=https://twitter.com/JamesFallows/status/1666455287622975496?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet]mostly the latter[/link]). [b]For some perspective, though, consider that Licht is leaving for reasons that look like misdemeanors next to the routine atrocities at Fox News, where the management team appears ensconced [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/18/fox-news-reaches-settlement-with-dominion-in-defamation-lawsuit-00092621]after a $787.5 million settlement[/link] over knowing falsehoods that defamed Dominion Voting Systems[/b].

SCOOP @PuckNews: CNN's Chris Licht summoned @OliverDarcy and his editor to a meeting with himself and top executives in which they told him that his coverage of Trump town hall had been too emotional and stressed the importance of remaining dispassionate: https://t.co/R0dgcOmgGa

— Dylan Byers (@DylanByers) May 12, 2023

[kayla.meyer_144]

The role of actual news, not the Right’s propaganda lies:
 
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/05/23/cnn-chief-christiane-amanpour/]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/05/23/cnn-chief-christiane-amanpour/[/link]

Amanpour said that when Trump called interviewer Kaitlan Collins a nasty person, she would have dropped the mic adding with a twinkle, but then thats me. (She didnt have to come right out and say that no self-respecting journalist should have to put up with that.) She made two constructive suggestions: Remove the studio audience and dont put Trump on live. The latter would allow the opportunity to stop the tape and interject truth-telling.

To hold the powerful accountable is not just a slogan; it is vital, Amanpour told the graduates. And when we do it well, it makes a huge difference. And when we dont, it makes an equal but opposite difference. She recalled the decision to not allow Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.) a platform unless he reached the basic evidence level required in a court of law. She continued, Maybe less is more, maybe live is not always right. Relevant to the upcoming campaign, she also warned about covering one mans well-trodden globally known disinformation and propaganda machine and someone who is believed to have sought to cause the overturn and overthrow [of] the legitimately elected government of the United States.
 

As someone frustrated with the mainstream medias lack of candor about Trump, its incessant effort to normalize MAGA radicals and its refusal to report [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/12/trump-upstaged-el-paso/?itid=lk_inline_manual_16]what is so readily apparent[/link] (e.g., [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/06/media-stumbles-covering-trump/?itid=lk_inline_manual_16]Trumps irrational ramblings[/link]), I thought this distillation of what the media should be doing was a bracing gust of fresh air. And that got me thinking: [i]Why isnt someone who was there at CNNs founding and who understands the true mission of journalism running the show [/i][i][/i][i] literally[/i]?

[b].She [link=https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/media/cnn-first-day-anniversary/index.html]quoted founder Ted Turners[/link] initial vision: [b]To act upon ones convictions while others wait, to create a positive force in a world where cynics abound, to provide information to people when it wasnt available before, to offer those who want it, a choice.[/b] Gosh, that sentiment sounds awfully attractive and scarce.[/b]

 

[kayla.meyer_144]

The dreaded 403 FORBIDDEN bug does not like:
 
[b]Journalism is about the truth, first and foremost. Not balance and certainly not indulging in moral equivalence”[/b]
 
What is wrong with this???

[Unknown Member]

Yep

2 sides to the story doesnt mean the other side is right

Look at all the covid lies and bullshit

The lies and Bullsheet

If the other side is wrong they dont deserve equal footing

[adrianoal]

Quote from dergon

[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/05/23/cable-news-demise-trump-cnn-ratings-streaming]https://www.washingtonpos…-cnn-ratings-streaming[/link]

The looming existential crisis for cable news
[h2]The number of cable subscribers, dropping for years, just took a record-breaking plunge. Sooner or later, it will hurt news channels bottom line.[/h2]

The leading cable networks remain enormously profitable, largely because of the economic dynamics of the larger cable industry. The financial foundation of cable news isnt advertising but the license fees that cable-system operators pay for the right to carry them. Regardless of whether a cable subscriber watches Fox, CNN or MSNBC, their monthly cable payments help fund those companies.
….
But the day could soon come when an exodus of cable subscribers leaves cable operators unable to afford the hefty license fees that those news programmers now command.

…

… its not hard to spot the trouble signs. The rest of the cable lineup has sagged disastrously over the past decade as younger viewers have deserted cable. USA Network, once the most popular cable channel, has lost 75 percent of its nightly audience over 10 years. FX is down 68 percent. History Channel is off by 65 percent.
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We have several friends (middle aged) who have cut the cord. None have gone back. Only reason we don’t is sometimes I watch sports and I like the convenience of cable for that, however that’s less and less over time and seriously considering ditching cable.
 
Almost everything we watch is streaming.