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Bernie is toast.
I liked the guy, and I register independent. But I think he is done. If CNN is against a liberal, who is going to support you. Free everything that he is proposing does not resonate in a country without a homogenous population like Norway.
Forgive student loans, free childcare, free college AND Medicare for all? Lol. Didnt learn from Warrens downfall when she couldnt come up with how to pay for it.
He drank the Koolaid too.
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Many democrats feel that can’t win with Bernie, but there are more than a few who feel like they can’t win if they alienate Sanders.
In 2016, the GOP felt like they couldn’t win with Trump but didn’t want to lose Trump’s enthusiastic base. Same in 2020 with the democrats and Bernie’s enthusiastic base.
Also like 2016 when Trump ran against an unpopular opponent [Clinton], Bernie also has the advantage of running against a polarizing and unpopular opponent [Trump].
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Brewsters Millions. None of the above.
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Trump is not as unpopular today as HRC was in 2016. I also don’t see the majority of voters wanting a socialist revolution at the moment. Unless corona virus takes down the global economy, I think Trump beats Sanders easily.
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HRC lost because she ran to the left of Obama. Bernie will get wiped out by Trump. Voters only care about $ in their wallets, nothing else.
The question is how will Democratic party decide to transform itself if Sanders gets the nomination and blows the party up for good.
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I’m actually pretty progressive and support of certain democratic ideals when it comes to things like equality for the LGBT community, finding a way to not let health insurance screw so many people over, reducing student debt, illegal immigration, etc etc.
The problem is their solutions for some of these problems go into a territory where only the very far left end of their base would swallow. They certainly over project how many people actually agree with all of Bernie’s policies.
Student Debt sucks..but the solution is NOT making school entirely free. It’s educating students about when / where / how much debt to take on, and how to pay it off.
Illegal immigration sucks – but the solution is NOT opening up our borders entirely..Maybe deal with the illegal immigrants we already have first, and give them a path to be tax paying, productive members of society.
The healthcare issue is a complex one…but the answer is not getting rid of private health care companies and giving everyone free healthcare. We aren’t a small European nation where this will work. The system is certainly broken but there isn’t going to be an overnight fix.
If any of you actually think with the kind of lobby Pharma, health insurance companies, hospitals, etc have in this country, there is ever a SLIVER of a chance at medicare for all – give me some of what you’re smoking.
Bernie seems like a genuine, fundamentally good person. His vision is unfortunately just not a realistic one and simply doesn’t represent what the majority of this country wants…He’s just an older version of AOC at this point.-
Bernie Sanders is genuine in his delusions. The medicare for all plan is based on the presupposition that physicians in america want to work for a nationalized healthcare service, and that those who don’t can be forced into labor against their choosing. That sounds much more authoritarian than anything Trump has ever proposed. He is a morally bankrupt human being who praised Fidel Castro’s literacy program. You simply can’t complement one narrow facet of a regime and conveniently ignore the atrocities it committed. Heavily centralized countries always have systems in place to stamp out dissent, and while Castro may have taught people how to read, he also told them how to think…
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Bernie Sanders is genuine in his delusions. The medicare for all plan is based on the presupposition that physicians in america want to work for a nationalized healthcare service, and that those who don’t can be forced into labor against their choosing. That sounds much more authoritarian than anything Trump has ever proposed. He is a morally bankrupt human being who praised Fidel Castro’s literacy program. You simply can’t complement one narrow facet of a regime and conveniently ignore the atrocities it committed. Heavily centralized countries always have systems in place to stamp out dissent, and while Castro may have taught people how to read, he also told them how to think…
I don’t know. A lot of physicians have the ‘golden handcuffs’, as some like to say. Even in a worst case scenario of income reduction to 30% – How many radiologists , or physicians for that matter, would be able to switch careers and do something else? Not every doc ( and I would argue that most ) aren’t smart with money to begin with. I think a lot would be forced into keeping their jobs and just working even harder / more weekends / moonlighting etc to maintain lifestyle.-
It is not just physicians, it is also private insurers, private hospitals and patient’s who want private health care. This would all have to go through the courts first. That takes a long time. The other option is to do what other communist regimes did, and take over by force. That in my opinion is the more likely of the two to come to fruition…
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Never thought I’d vote for Trump…
I will in a heartbeat of democrats run a socialist.
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Also like 2016 when Trump ran against an unpopular opponent [Clinton], Bernie also has the advantage of running against a polarizing and unpopular opponent [Trump].
Trump’s favorable rating right now is higher than Obama 2012.
People never look at the obvious facts, mostly because they are biased. It is hard to beat incumbents. Very hard. It takes special things and apparently high level thinking, and honesty, to understand things like this. I see very few others talk about it apart from me.-
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Also like 2016 when Trump ran against an unpopular opponent [Clinton], Bernie also has the advantage of running against a polarizing and unpopular opponent [Trump].
Trump’s favorable rating right now is higher than Obama 2012.
People never look at the obvious facts, mostly because they are biased. It is hard to beat incumbents. Very hard. It takes special things and apparently high level thinking, and honesty, to understand things like this. I see very few others talk about it apart from me.
Obama had a complicit media trying to get him re-elected. Trump has a media committed to seeing him defeated.
Trumps favorable rating may be as high as obamas were, but his unfavorables are passionately committed to seeing him lose. Obama had a +1.3 favorable over unfavorable in 2012, Trump has a -5.5 favorable vs unfavorable [RCP polls].
I think that short of an economic collapse, the only candidate who can beat Trump in November is …. Trump. He has shown the ability to be his own worst enemy. Nonetheless, if the democrats do in fact nominate Sanders [Im not convinced the establishment will allow this because of the downstream debacle it would ensue], some will enthusiastically vote for Trump while others will either hold their nose and vote for him or skip the election altogether. -
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Also like 2016 when Trump ran against an unpopular opponent [Clinton], Bernie also has the advantage of running against a polarizing and unpopular opponent [Trump].
Trump’s favorable rating right now is higher than Obama 2012.
People never look at the obvious facts, mostly because they are biased. It is hard to beat incumbents. Very hard. It takes special things and apparently high level thinking, and honesty, to understand things like this. I see very few others talk about it apart from me.
Don’t disagree with you at all.
I said it very early on – These Dems will waste hundreds of millions of dollars of donations to their campaigns tearing each other apart, and the front runners would still be the same front runners – Biden, Bernie, maybe warren..and (kinda surprisingly) Mayor Pete.
Same crap will happen as before – someone will get the nomination who won’t have enough support from voters who wanted someone else (Hilary vs Bernie), and will have a difficult time beating someone who *more or less* has full support of their party (trump). Republicans are fully united with trump..And the economy is booming…
Coronavirus also made a convenient entrance, will definitely feed into xenophobia / anti immigration / anti foreign sentiment, which is trump’s bread and better.
I’m not a fan of the guy, but he will win by a landslide, I think.-
Trumps approval rating is basically identical to the day he started.
Hillary had more support in 2016 than Bernie does now amongst democrats. Don’t forget, most Democrats in 2016 were perfectly content with Obama’s administration and were happy to keep the status quo. By losing to Trump, the party only became more divided. The moderate Democrats are terrified of Bernie and the Bernie supporters absolutely despise the moderate candidates. Neither faction is going to accept the other.
I have voted democrat my entire life, and will sit this election out if its Bernie v Trump. There are plenty of Democrats in the same boat, and plenty of Bernie supporters who would sit out Trump v Biden or Trump v Bloomberg.
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Trumps approval rating is basically identical to the day he started.
Hillary had more support in 2016 than Bernie does now amongst democrats. Don’t forget, most Democrats in 2016 were perfectly content with Obama’s administration and were happy to keep the status quo. By losing to Trump, the party only became more divided. The moderate Democrats are terrified of Bernie and the Bernie supporters absolutely despise the moderate candidates. Neither faction is going to accept the other.
I have voted democrat my entire life, and will sit this election out if its Bernie v Trump. There are plenty of Democrats in the same boat, and plenty of Bernie supporters who would sit out Trump v Biden or Trump v Bloomberg.
I agree Trump wins in a landslide
Definitely not a left-winger, but I respect Sanders for his consistency, even if the ideas are terrible and generally irreversible.
Trump has been an extraordinarily moderate president, pursuing agendas that have been trumpeted by both Democrats and Republicans for decades but never pursued, because politicians have been living high off the lobbying hog. Even his brash persona and tweets – initially thought to be immature and outlandish – are increasingly understood as high-level persuasion. Scott Adams has very interesting videos on this.
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Coronavirus also made a convenient entrance, will definitely feed into xenophobia / anti immigration / anti foreign sentiment, which is trump’s bread and better.
Nobody asked for coronavirus. The only things into which it might feed are questions about national manufacturing/productive independence and the relative costs and benefits of globalism.
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Coronavirus also made a convenient entrance, will definitely feed into xenophobia / anti immigration / anti foreign sentiment, which is trump’s bread and better.
I’m not a fan of the guy, but he will win by a landslide, I think.
COVID19 is a crisis, no different from an outside attack on the country. Crisis situations favor the sitting president. And if the economy slumps, he has an outside force he can blame.
Now I do think a Trump vs. Sanders debate would be something for pay per view.-
Often they do …. but …
[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-02-25/trump-laid-the-groundwork-for-a-coronavirus-mess?srnd=opinion]Trump Laid the Groundwork for a Coronavirus Mess[/link]
By Jonathan Bernstein[b]The past three years are a lesson in how not to prepare for an emergency.[/b]
Its hard to imagine a president doing more to make himself vulnerable to damage from a viral outbreak than Donald Trump has over the last three years.
Yes, to himself. Also to the nation thats surely more important but [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2017-08-16/the-1960-book-that-explains-why-trump-is-a-failure]good presidents take care of themselves[/link], too. Trump, for all his bluster, is putting himself at risk.
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{T}here are his [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/24/awful-new-details-about-trumps-purge-should-alarm-us-all/]attacks[/link] on competent civil servants and even his own political appointees whose main fault is in following the rule of law. The [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-02-19/trump-s-problematic-approach-to-pardons-k6tao2t0]deprofessionalization[/link] of the White House and increasingly of the executive branch as well may effectively reduce the number of people within the government willing to tell the president no. Thats a disaster in the making: Qualified professionals actually know how to do things, and they share expertise that makes it more likely the president will support policies that work.
Whats more, Trump doesnt seem to pay much attention to governing unless an issue personally affects him, appears on a TV show he watches, or produces good applause lines at his rallies. Most of the rest seems to wind up in the hands of those within the administration whose bureaucratic skills allow them to build little fiefdoms in which to operate relatively unfettered.
Which is just an introduction to Trumps budgets: It appears that for the most part he only engages on a few items, leaving acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney free to submit radical budgets asking for huge cuts to popular programs. Congress Republicans very much included ignore most of those cuts and consider the budgets dead on arrival. But Trumps name is on them, which means that when he regularly (for example) demands large cuts in the agencies responsible for fighting epidemics, hes vulnerable to political attacks.
Then theres Trumps knee-jerk resistance to emulating his predecessors, especially Barack Obama. While being open to new ways of doing things is a virtue for leaders, [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-02-06/trump-and-coronavirus-does-he-need-a-czar-k6apepyp]rejecting procedures that have worked in the past[/link] is, not surprisingly, risky. So Trump didnt follow Barack Obamas example by appointing someone in the White House with clear presidential backing to coordinate the government response to the coronavirus, which has already produced some [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/24/is-this-week-that-trump-panics-about-covid-19/]utterly predictable misfires[/link].
And dont forget Trumps shoot-from-the-hip style of communication. Normal presidents vet their public statements carefully; Trump says whatever is on his mind. This produces [link=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1232058127740174339]comments[/link] which [link=https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1232072081589796865]experts[/link] find [link=https://twitter.com/RonaldKlain/status/1232123185644101632]counterproductive[/link]. Indeed, one of the reasons to consult with experts before issuing statements is to avoid that kind of criticism, since the criticism itself makes things worse. Thats true even in the very unlikely case that Trump actually knows more than everyone else about the topic at hand, and of course its even more true if hes relying on yahoos on cable television news rather than real experts.Some of these things will actually make it harder for government policy to be effective. All of them increase the risks to Trump both the risk of failed policy, and the chances that hell take the blame for anything that goes wrong.
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[h1][b]Bloomberg-Commissioned Poll Shows Sanders Would Sink Dems[/b][/h1]
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Bernie Sanders nomination could drag down vulnerable House Democrats trying to hold onto their competitive districts, according to a new poll conducted for Mike Bloombergs campaign that is circulating among members providing fresh data for moderates warning about a wipeout if Sanders emerges to lead their ticket against President Trump, [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/25/bloomberg-internal-poll-claims-bernie-would-hurt-downballot-dems-117290]Politico[/link] reports.The poll of voters in more than 40 battleground House districts currently held by Democrats conducted by Global Strategy Group for the Bloomberg campaign and obtained from two sources found that Sanders is less popular than Trump and loses significant support when hit for holding socialist positions.
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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/28/americans-really-dislike-socialism-can-bernie-sanders-overcome-that/?utm_campaign=wp_politics&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=rss]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/28/americans-really-dislike-socialism-can-bernie-sanders-overcome-that/?utm_campaign=wp_politics&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=rss[/link]
[b][link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/28/americans-really-dislike-socialism-can-bernie-sanders-overcome-that/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=wp_politics]Americans really dislike socialism. Can Bernie Sanders overcome that?[/link][/b]” Nearly 1 in 5 of the respondents who said Sanderss identity as a democratic socialist or socialist made them less likely to support him were toss-up voters people who did not consistently support Trump or Democrats in six head-to-head matchups. This group makes up 6 percent of adults and registered voters alike, and while not massive, is large enough to swing a presidential election.”
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Often they do …. but …
[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-02-25/trump-laid-the-groundwork-for-a-coronavirus-mess?srnd=opinion]Trump Laid the Groundwork for a Coronavirus Mess[/link]
By Jonathan Bernstein[b]The past three years are a lesson in how not to prepare for an emergency.[/b]
Its hard to imagine a president doing more to make himself vulnerable to damage from a viral outbreak than Donald Trump has over the last three years.
Yes, to himself. Also to the nation thats surely more important but [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2017-08-16/the-1960-book-that-explains-why-trump-is-a-failure]good presidents take care of themselves[/link], too. Trump, for all his bluster, is putting himself at risk.
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{T}here are his [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/24/awful-new-details-about-trumps-purge-should-alarm-us-all/]attacks[/link] on competent civil servants and even his own political appointees whose main fault is in following the rule of law. The [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-02-19/trump-s-problematic-approach-to-pardons-k6tao2t0]deprofessionalization[/link] of the White House and increasingly of the executive branch as well may effectively reduce the number of people within the government willing to tell the president no. Thats a disaster in the making: Qualified professionals actually know how to do things, and they share expertise that makes it more likely the president will support policies that work.
Whats more, Trump doesnt seem to pay much attention to governing unless an issue personally affects him, appears on a TV show he watches, or produces good applause lines at his rallies. Most of the rest seems to wind up in the hands of those within the administration whose bureaucratic skills allow them to build little fiefdoms in which to operate relatively unfettered.
Which is just an introduction to Trumps budgets: It appears that for the most part he only engages on a few items, leaving acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney free to submit radical budgets asking for huge cuts to popular programs. Congress Republicans very much included ignore most of those cuts and consider the budgets dead on arrival. But Trumps name is on them, which means that when he regularly (for example) demands large cuts in the agencies responsible for fighting epidemics, hes vulnerable to political attacks.
Then theres Trumps knee-jerk resistance to emulating his predecessors, especially Barack Obama. While being open to new ways of doing things is a virtue for leaders, [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-02-06/trump-and-coronavirus-does-he-need-a-czar-k6apepyp]rejecting procedures that have worked in the past[/link] is, not surprisingly, risky. So Trump didnt follow Barack Obamas example by appointing someone in the White House with clear presidential backing to coordinate the government response to the coronavirus, which has already produced some [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/24/is-this-week-that-trump-panics-about-covid-19/]utterly predictable misfires[/link].
And dont forget Trumps shoot-from-the-hip style of communication. Normal presidents vet their public statements carefully; Trump says whatever is on his mind. This produces [link=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1232058127740174339]comments[/link] which [link=https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1232072081589796865]experts[/link] find [link=https://twitter.com/RonaldKlain/status/1232123185644101632]counterproductive[/link]. Indeed, one of the reasons to consult with experts before issuing statements is to avoid that kind of criticism, since the criticism itself makes things worse. Thats true even in the very unlikely case that Trump actually knows more than everyone else about the topic at hand, and of course its even more true if hes relying on yahoos on cable television news rather than real experts.Some of these things will actually make it harder for government policy to be effective. All of them increase the risks to Trump both the risk of failed policy, and the chances that hell take the blame for anything that goes wrong.
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Yes, why wouldn’t I listen to Jonathan Bernstein? Man, you and Dalai should go on a Beer Summit
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You never did answer Dalai, did you.
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Nahhhhhh
The litlle pu$$y hides when he gets called out
…. then invents another alias
Thats why I rarely respond to the attention seeker and the aliases
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Nahhhhhh
The litlle pu$$y hides when he gets called out
…. then invents another alias
Thats why I rarely respond to the attention seeker and the aliases
Yeah, I better make a new handle called “under caffeinated” or something, Dr. Paranoia over there.
Yet you race bait all the time, the funny thing is that what you guys suggest therefore is a total [i][b]triple[/b][/i] standard.-
What does it matter if a poster has multiple aliases or not? If the ideas are good or bad, the ideas are good or bad.
(Waits to be branded as an alternate name of this person or that)
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“Many people say and agree with me…” WOW! Look at all those people who agree with me and argue the same thing!
Happens often on the internet, and as cigar/F@gan/IB/etc self-referral under different aliases.
A crowd of 1.
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“Many people say and agree with me…” WOW! Look at all those people who agree with me and argue the same thing!
Happens often on the internet, and as cigar/F@gan/IB/etc self-referral under different aliases.
A crowd of 1.
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What does it matter if a poster has multiple aliases or not? If the ideas are good or bad, the ideas are good or bad.
(Waits to be branded as an alternate name of this person or that)
Sane, honest thinking like this won’t get through to them.
Their feelings and motivations are what matters, that’s why it’s weird that they even post and “make arguments” since they never actually have facts, data, or any reliable conclusion based on such. Silly stuff, of course they can’t see reality for what it is, for heaven’s sake, they are marxist sympathizers
Scientists who realized we humans tried that experiment and it led to millions upon millions of deaths
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[b]Sanders Says Running Mate Must Support Medicare for All [/b]
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Sen. Bernie Sanders told the [link=https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Thousands-line-up-in-San-Jose-for-Bernie-Sanders-15097033.php]San Francisco Chronicle[/link] he would only pick a running mate who backs Medicare-for-all.
Said Sanders: We will pick somebody who knows the experience of working families in this country, who has a history of fighting for those families, and somebody whose politics are similar to mine.
He also sounded a warning against the party trying to deny him the nomination if he comes to Milwaukee with a plurality of pledged delegates: I think that would look terrible, and I think that would lay the groundwork for a Trump victory. It would reflect on the Democratic Party in a very, very terrible way.
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Oh yeah, one more reason to keep changing names, cigar/F@gan/IB/etc has been suspended several times which means time for a new name.
That’s all you got, keep gpoing to the same well because the guys you got banned actually made thoughtful posts, and amazing predictions … you just don’t like opposition and “orange man bad guys” you find ascerbic. Let’s be frank, Frumi -
Apparently a few people woke up with a horses head in their bed this week. Won’t be long until Bernie is told that it would be a shame if he was to suffer another ‘heart attack’.
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Bernie may be all but done tomorrow.
Biden will fair well in all the southern states were Bernie can’t buy a vote. Bernie wins California but Biden will get his fair share of delegates.
Texas is a tossup.
I think Biden overperforms tomorrow and Bloomberg underperforms.
The dems [minus the Bernie Bros] rally behind Biden and Biden goes into the convention with a plurality, if not outright majority of delgates.
We have Biden v Trump in November.
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OMG what will the libs on here do seeing that over the last couple of years have repeatedly complained about Old White Men in the GOP? Looks what’s left for the dem primary. Three old white guys and Lieawatha. Can’t make this up. The issue they all complained about ends up its in their own party. LMAO!
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Over in the POTUS thread, predicted Bernie would not be the nominee after he won Nevada. That was peak Bernie right there. It put the attention/spotlight on who he actually was and what he represented, and people like him less the more they see.
After Super Tuesday, Biden will be close to or possibly exceeding Bernie’s delegate count.
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[b]Bernie Sanders Wants to Be Labor Secretary[/b][/h1]
Sen. Bernie Sanders is hoping to be a part of Joe Bidens potential administration and has expressed a particular interest in becoming Labor secretary, [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/22/bernie-sanders-biden-labor-secretary-431266]Politico[/link] reports.
Said one person close to Sanders: I can confirm hes trying to figure out how to land that role or something like it. He, personally, does have an interest in it.
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Her and Sanders know that their governors are Republicans right?
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Warren now lobbying for treasury secretary.
Her and Sanders know that their governors are Republicans right?
Yeah. They have special elections, but the GOP governor could take 6 months….
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[h1]Bernie Sanders: No Longer an Outsider[/h1]
[link=https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-03-15/bernie-sanders-power-broker]Los Angeles Times[/link]: The democratic socialist who once encapsulated his time in Congress by writing a book titled Outsider in the House has now become the consummate insider in the Senate. The Bernie who honeymooned in the Soviet Union, who declared the Democratic Party hopeless, who sparked a revolt against an Obama administration tax deal during an 8 ½-hour filibuster, has transitioned into the Bernie orchestrating trillion-dollar deals.
The 79-year-old who lost to President Biden in the 2020 primary is following a path carved out by earlier political celebrities such as Republican John McCain and Democrat Edward M. Kennedy, who bounced from defeat in their insurgent White House bids to final acts as legislative maestros.
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Bernie won’t primary Biden if he runs in 2024.
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But will he try to run one more time if Biden *doesn’t* run? That’s the real question.
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[b]Bernie Sanders Wants to Be Labor Secretary[/b]
Sen. Bernie Sanders is hoping to be a part of Joe Bidens potential administration and has expressed a particular interest in becoming Labor secretary, [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/22/bernie-sanders-biden-labor-secretary-431266]Politico[/link] reports.
Said one person close to Sanders: I can confirm hes trying to figure out how to land that role or something like it. He, personally, does have an interest in it.
Sanders himself refused to confirm or deny the report: Right now I am focused on seeing that Biden is elected president. Thats what my main focus is.
(Just last week the Biden campaign put out an STFU about lobbying for admin positions note)
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Listened to him on C-span at some campaign event yesterday. He sounded remarkably un-crazy. I mean he is wrong on everything he wants, but he made a good case on how to get there. Basically get Biden in power and then impose the socialist revolution he has been working on since 1967. A refreshing level of honesty in politics.
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You never did answer Dalai, did you.
What are you suggesting, silly board monitor? You lie enough on here, now you act like someone’s “in trouble” and you don’t even like Dalai; it’s funny that you act like you are so virtuous.
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Bernie makes points on the coasts and with intellectuals by pounding how much of an idiot Trump is.
Trump wins flyover country and “the rich” by savaging Bernie as a Commie.
Will be interesting this fall but starting to remind me of Nixon-McGovern in ’72 (yup, I’m dating myself), and though I’m NOT old enough to remember Stevenson-Eisenhower, what comes to mind is a moment at a Stevenson campaign event when a supporter supposedly yelled “You’ve got the vote of every thinking American!” and Stevenson’s reply was “It won’t be enough!”
Yeah, this ain’t gonna go well for the Dems…..
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There is speculation that some of the selloff in the market today (at least healthcare) was a result of Bernie winning Nevada.
I like the guy’s conviction. Not a huge fan of a plan to blow up the system and re-do everything in our slow moving government. That is essentially no plan as he will get stone walled not only by the right, but even a number of moderate democrats.
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“Yeah, this ain’t gonna go well for the Dems…..”
Agreed. Even my “never voted non-Democrat” family are like no freaking way are they voting Sanders, they are staying home or leaving it blank if that happens. I know, purely anecdotal. However, I do think Sanders winning the primary will absolutely light-up the core right voters who are going to see this as a last-chance to make a definitive statement against socialism.
Until then will be looking forward to the Dem convention. Considering the peaceful Sanders supporters have already been out making threats of violence it’s sure to be a show.
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