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  • consuldreugenio

    Member
    December 1, 2020 at 12:19 pm

    1000 with a salary of 500 per wrvu

    Theres a range and the avg can be found in a google search. It is impossible to say what is expected as there are so many different practice types and case mixes.

    • btomba_77

      Member
      December 1, 2020 at 12:30 pm

      Academic MSK –
       
      I target my section at around 10,000 RVUs / yr.    – That gets them between 75th and 80th percentile performance AAARAD.

      • nasosmunfc_332

        Member
        December 1, 2020 at 5:56 pm

        You’re a tough division director, 10K for academic msk is a pretty high standard. If you dont mind me asking, how is your salary in terms of percentile for mgma since 10K is now near 50% for mgma?

        • Dr_Cocciolillo

          Member
          December 1, 2020 at 6:42 pm

          Would agree. More doable with 5 weeks off

          • JohnnyFever

            Member
            December 2, 2020 at 5:57 am

            RVU rate is highly dependent on what you are reading, number of interruptions, and if you’re also doing fluoro, procedures, teaching, or meetings.

            2-3/hour wouldn’t be unreasonable for IR, but it would be in acceptable for a telerad reading stat studies without other responsibilities

        • btomba_77

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          December 2, 2020 at 6:21 am

          Quote from lk

          You’re a tough division director, 10K for academic msk is a pretty high standard. If you dont mind me asking, how is your salary in terms of percentile for mgma since 10K is now near 50% for mgma?

          We are “academic lite”  (or as I call it AINO – academic in name only) . We function more like a subspecialized mega-group.
           
          The local/regional salary structure keeps us closer to PP than to other academic comp.   Additionally, the institution down the street is known for pretty darned good comp for academics … that keeps up the local competitive upward pressure. 
           

           
          We also exist in a heavily RVU based compensation model, both for setting base salary and for bonuses, so it is pretty easy to keep rads on track since there is a clear financial incentive.
           
           
           
           

  • Unknown Member

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    December 1, 2020 at 1:58 pm

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    • Unknown Member

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      December 1, 2020 at 2:28 pm

      18-20k or so for me. 90-100 rvus a 9 hour shift. 8 weeks vacation and all holidays and no weekends. Bread and butter abdominal imaging with some more difficult exams sprinkled in.

      • Ali.zavareh

        Member
        December 1, 2020 at 3:24 pm

        Here we go again….prepare for the blowback.

        • drhuseyingunduz_61

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          December 1, 2020 at 4:50 pm

          Just search “average RVU”. There are threads for days.
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        • Unknown Member

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          December 2, 2020 at 7:03 am

          I accept it. I dont care. These forums are for sharing experiences and knowledge. I have no reason to inflate or lie. Check all my previous posts if you want. I work hard for my corporate overlords. I would work just as hard for a private practice. This is the way.

          • Unknown Member

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            December 2, 2020 at 7:46 am

            I do between 55-75 wrvu’s per shift when doing OP cross sectional imaging. Mostly oncology. 
            55 is nice; 75 exhausting.
             
            When doing ED, 60-75; much easier. 60 in the ED is like a vacation. We could do more easily.
             
            The difference between ED and oncology scans is significant; cannot be compared regarding work involved, if you are trying to do good work. Need to look at priors carefully, and optimally read oncology notes. So RVU’s just are not comparable between rotations.
             
            Other rotations I occasionally do:
            Screening mammo is a rvu gold mine. Cannot be compared to other rotations. RVU’s make no sense, could work a half day and get more RVU’s than the above. But it is mind numbing. 
             
            MSK tough on rvu’s; mri rvu’s modest, procedures take time and then radiographs. Really hard to get to 50.
             
            RVU discussions can get tedious, but it can be one of the most valuable discussions on this forum if honest. Reality testing regarding work day is something many of us seek. Are we wimps? Are we being overworked? What’s reasonable? I would be happy with a below average salary for reasonable workload if necessary. 
             
             
             
             
             

            • Unknown Member

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              December 2, 2020 at 8:02 am

              I on the other hand would be more than happy to get paid what I am worth so PM me if you want to hire me lol!

              • Unknown Member

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                December 3, 2020 at 4:44 pm

                Sometimes as high as 100 wRVU per shift, sometimes as low as 60 depending on what I’m mostly reading that day, but likely average between 70-75. At ~200 shifts per year, that’s in the ballpark of 14-15k per year.

                • pranav.devata

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                  December 4, 2020 at 1:00 pm

                  In a past life, our partners were ALL reading nearly 20,000 wRVUs per year. At the time we were rated above the 95% for the region for volume,  and much lower (about 60%) for compensation. It was exhausting. Everyone hates each other and the group has since dissolved. Now, I read a pleasant 15,000 wRVUs and have ample time off and still enjoy what I do.

                  • afazio.uk_887

                    Member
                    December 4, 2020 at 3:24 pm

                    20k wRVU per year is completely insane and dangerous. 15k is still pretty bad imo.

                    • pranav.devata

                      Member
                      December 4, 2020 at 3:48 pm

                      Agreed 20k rvus was insane. Hence the ludicrous stress and everyone hating each other before it all crumbled. Throw in a super-partner attitude by senior partners, and voila! RP takes another contract.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      December 5, 2020 at 8:34 am

                      “super-partner attitude by senior partners”
                      We are starting to see that in my group by an entitled minority. Very corrosive.
                      And honestly, I don’t know if we will make it if not cleared up.
                      Our younger rads have to speak up, or for ever hold their peace…

                    • 22002469

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                      December 5, 2020 at 9:54 am

                      These convos always end up in the same place, you just can’t even compare RVU’s without knowing what type of work it is.
                       
                      In any production based compensation, you really need to change the wRVU values to make them come closer to mirroring the actual work required. I know some places that do this, but it’s not the norm.
                       
                      40 wRVU day of mostly of X-rays, barium, and procedures might be terrible.
                       
                      80 wRVU day of ER CT and US might be a breeze.
                       
                      Generally neuro and body cross sectional reading (particularly ER) is the best way to get high wRVUs as long as you don’t have a ton of X-Rays mixed in.
                       
                      Mammo of course is in a world of it’s own and can’t even be compared at all.
                       
                       
                       

                    • ljohnson_509

                      Member
                      December 5, 2020 at 10:09 am

                      ^^ very true

                      Would also add the setting of your work and level of specialization should be considered.

                      An imager in a tertiary center with specialist referrals doing complex oncology, pet and body mri may work really hard getting 40-50 wRVUs.

                      While a guy in flyover country flying through easy bread and butter cases referred by primary care, NP, general surgery may do that by lunch time.

                      A neuroimager in an outpatient setting may do those rvus by the first coffee break in the morning.

                      This doesnt even consider the great variability in speed amongst radiologists.

                    • 22002469

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                      December 5, 2020 at 10:29 am

                      Quote from Drrad123

                      Would also add the setting of your work and level of specialization should be considered.

                      An imager in a tertiary center with specialist referrals doing complex oncology, pet and body mri may work really hard getting 40-50 wRVUs.

                      While a guy in flyover country flying through easy bread and butter cases referred by primary care, NP, general surgery may do that by lunch time.

                      A neuroimager in an outpatient setting may do those rvus by the first coffee break in the morning.

                       
                       
                      Definitely, another important consideration. And this also ignores the differences in effort and quality amongst rads that are doing the exact same thing.
                       
                      A fast reader making short reports can certainly be a very good, accurate, and loved by clinicians. But sometimes a fast rad making short reports just is lazy and bad. You don’t get paid any extra for being correct. 

                    • Unknown Member

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                      December 5, 2020 at 12:00 pm

                      Full day of CT in tertiary oncology center, 45. When mixed in with MR, US, fluoro, biopsies, Lees.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      December 5, 2020 at 12:01 pm

                      ^less

                    • julie.young_645

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                      December 5, 2020 at 12:01 pm

                      It all goes back to group philosophy, or the philosophy of the majority, or at least the thinking of those who actually run things. 
                       
                      Maximizing revenue AND time-off means that those in the saddle will have to read like maniacs. This is not conducive to patient care, and we all know it. But for some, the perks outweigh that little problem. 

      • Unknown Member

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        December 2, 2020 at 7:28 am

        Quote from Sir Read Alot

        18-20k or so for me. 90-100 rvus a 9 hour shift. 8 weeks vacation and all holidays and no weekends. Bread and butter abdominal imaging with some more difficult exams sprinkled in.

        What do the corps pay you for that? That is a huge amount of work.

        • Unknown Member

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          December 2, 2020 at 7:34 am

          25 to 30 per RVU, The usual poor rates. I just can get through the volume easy as I am not Hospital based. I also do internal moonlighting which may end up comprising about 25% of my compensation. It works for me. I don’t have call either and have “normal” hours and live by a coast.