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Are Evangelicals relevant?
After this election and their support of the most hedonistic candidate ever, are they permanently irrelevant as a social and political force?
Personally I think they are no longer a viable constituency. They sold their soul into irrelevancy with trump
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I thought the evangelicals were more into Cruz. It’s the Make America Great crowd that was more into Trump.
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I thought the evangelicals were more into Cruz. It’s the Make America Great crowd that was more into Trump.
I thought Trumps acceptance speech was a big ‘eff you’ to the evangelicals.-
Yet they have flocked to him nonetheless.
Evangelics have been Trump’s most solid support post. But there are signs of fraying.
While most of the big name pastors are still standing by Trump, a few are starting to be peeled off. And some prominent female evangelicals are splitting from the male leadership.
But they are still a very large voting block in the US. They are 26% of the US population. That’s larger than the black vote and larger than the Latino vote.
Misstep in 2016 or no, Evangelical Christians are still and will be a force to be reckoned with.
Their big concern politically should be being taken for granted by the GOP. In many ways it is similar to the African American vote for Democrats. Often their concerns are ignored because political party leaders no they have no alternative choice. They’re simply not going to vote for the other party, so there is not need to cater to them. That could well happen to evangelicals in the future.-
It’s less taking the minority vote for granted than little to no political support from the majority white voters. Even outright hostility. The Democratic Party has been labeled the Minority Party since Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act and white voters fled to the Republican Party. Shortly after Obama was elected you heard & read, even on AM of Obama doing all these things for minorities at the expense of whites, always making racial equality a zero-sum game; equality for minorities means less equality for whites. “Minorities” now includes LGBT people and rights.
Think Affirmative Action and expand that to everything including “Obamacare.” Think of reactive creation of and liberal opposition to the “Bathroom bill.”
We’ll have to see if Millennials come out to vote & continue to vote including in non-Presidential years.
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They are moron and deserve what they get.
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I’m not sure whether they are relevant anymore
The family values party …. moral majority…are now the party of the Pu$$y grabbing alpha male that can do anything he wants
Because he is a star
Yep talk about God complex.
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I’m not sure whether they are relevant anymore
The family values party …. moral majority…are now the party of the Pu$$y grabbing alpha male that can do anything he wants
Because he is a star
Yep talk about God complex.
I’m sure they are appalled with his behavior as well but I think they simply prefer him to her (particularly when it comes to SCOTUS). Not sure if this is an indictment of Evangelicals, HRC or both.-
They don’t stand for anything anymore
Going forward I’m not really sure what moral authority or what moral high ground they can claim
Abortion is about it I guess, basically making them a one trick pony
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The way I see this is as a culture war. The evangelicals, almost by definition represented the section of society that based their culture on God, family, country tradition and rule of law. They are usually attracted to smaller rural and suburban environments. Progressivism and multiculturalism is foreign to them and represents a threat to their basic premises of a decent society. They believe in meritocracy and hard work. Their downside, is their inability to accept change.
Progressives on the other hand, largely because of their urban influences are more apt to value multiculturalism, gun control, social programs and governmental solutions. Their downside has been to go overboard in support of tribalism and fringe groups such as BLM. They feel strongly that they know better and are more apt to want to force their own brand of righteousness on the rest of society. To them, pandering is an acceptable means to an end. Hence the culture clash.
The evangelicals, in a fit of anger and backlash made a Faustian deal that will hurt them badly for years to come. Agree, that in choosing to back Trump, they threw away all of their moral high ground. They are done!
The liberals, made a deal with the crooks and every grievance known faction. That is why we are in our current predicament. I think both sides lose. What will come of the heap of mess that the country created, nobody knows, but the evangelicals are not the solution.-
Evangelicals never had any moral high ground. They use their “religious” beliefs to hide their deep seated racism and fear for anything not white and Christian. They (along with most overly religious people) are some of the biggest hypocrites on earth. Like the Duggar family spouting religious nonsense while the son rapes his sister.
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Evangelicals never had any moral high ground. They use their “religious” beliefs to hide their deep seated racism and fear for anything not white and Christian. They (along with most overly religious people) are some of the biggest hypocrites on earth. Like the Duggar family spouting religious nonsense while the son rapes his sister.
Sorry, but white Christian racists idiots don’t have any claim on valuing family, country and law and order.
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Not as many.
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There are also probably a few Ethiopians in Alaska
Better statement would be not many
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Alda,
I see the beginnings of a discussion in your argument. However I strongly disagree that Evangelicals or Conservatives believe in the rule of law anymore than anyone else does – or doesn’t. I mean, let’s just look at the Trump supporters who want to jail Hillary now, before a trial because they already know she’s guilty of felonies. And even jokes about executing her in the public square are way beyond normal political criticism. None of that is any rule of law in the American Constitution. Outsiders are viewed with suspicion. See Palin’s hate rhetoric for who the “Real Americans” are. Her supporters are many Evangelicals.
I have never met an Evangelical or Conservative or anyone who believed in religion who was a good person with good intentions merely because of their religious beliefs. History makes a joke of that argument. And believers who do believe in forgiving their enemies and those who do them harm are viewed as very strange indeed by the regular believers in Christianity. See Amish.
The truth is who needs a God in order to be good? But that’s a tangential question.
Evangelicals have nothing on me or for me. And frankly some have very weird beliefs.
Progressives have been an almost absent species since Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act and definitely not since Reagan when Progressives retreated and retired to the hills against the flood of Republican Light Democrats. Obama was not a Progressive in his actions. Bernie is. But we haven’t seen Progressive and Liberal politics since Lyndon Johnson.
No, Evangelicals sold their souls to the Devil of Politics when Reagan courted them & they haven’t gained it back.
Jesus of the New Testament would not be impressed with today’s Evangelicals I say. He would spit at what is declared in his name. I’m hoping we’re seeing the decline of some of these who are religious zealots, the country is not better because of them. -
In the future they still will be a major political voting block. I grew up Evangelical and see many Facebook posts on this topic. I thought this blog post did a good job explaining how/why the Evangelical voting block is divided in this election.
[link=https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/why-evangelicals-are-divided-over-trump]https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/why-evangelicals-are-divided-over-trump[/link]
For those too lazy to click the link, it comes down to the issue of chief justice nomination literally trumps everything else vs. Trump is the antithesis of Evangelical ideals and nothing overcomes his lack of character.
IMO, any future “reasonable” Republican candidate will reunite this voting block.-
Too bad we can’t ship all the evangelicals to Mexico and then build the wall
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hard to ship em out with all those guns 🙂
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What does a gun have to do with jesus?
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both associated with a geographic region of the US
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Does Jesus only live in certain parts of the country?
Is Jesus geographic?
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Does Jesus only live in certain parts of the country?
Is Jesus geographic?
Gun lovin Jesus is!
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In case you didn’t know. ‘Gun lovin Jesus’ is also the gay hating pro death penalty jesus.
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I still wonder what evangelicals see in either Trump or the Republican Party as both seem the antithesis to what I was educated in Christianity about.
This interview podcast with the Reverend William Barber raises the questions that have dogged me for years about this & presents his case for what I believe Christianity actually is supposed to stand for, specifically NOT “prosperity theology” and the like. Or guns.
It’s 1/2 hour.
[link=http://www.wnyc.org/story/reverend-william-barber-talks-david-remnick-about-morality-and-politics]http://www.wnyc.org/story…-morality-and-politics[/link]-
Anyone read this book? Written by Rich, in 2013, great book. Fiction, ostensibly. Scary, in that Trump has stacked his cabinet with dominionists.
[link=https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://t2.gstatic.com/images%3Fq%3Dtbn:ANd9GcQiFS9Y9LumvngraFR39RsfBxFtJzcDALKTLD1hG1D_tEpkIePv&imgrefurl=https://books.google.com/books/about/Christian_Nation_A_Novel.html%3Fid%3De0TlFuwABJkC%26source%3Dkp_cover&h=1080&w=710&tbnid=ur6Fd3bvusfy4M:&tbnh=160&tbnw=105&usg=__uK_c097cJhMBQLEOerJyooJjlCQ=&vet=10ahUKEwjssJPAmLHUAhWs1IMKHbi7CaMQ_B0IrwEwEg..i&docid=NfymrGjpLL_WBM&itg=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjssJPAmLHUAhWs1IMKHbi7CaMQ_B0IrwEwEg]https://www.google.com/im…1IMKHbi7CaMQ_B0IrwEwEg[/link]-
Is the left even relevant?
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[link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2Ftopic%2Fmichael-steele]Michael Steele[/link], the former chair of the Republican National Committee, made these comments regarding evangelical Christian leaders who support President [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2Ftopic%2Fdonald-trump]Donald Trump[/link] no matter what.
I have a very simple admonition at this point. Just shut the hell up and dont ever preach to me about anything ever again. I dont want to hear it.
After telling me how to live my life, who to love, what to believe, what not to believe, what to do and what not to do and now you sit back and the prostitutes dont matter? The grabbing the you-know-what doesnt matter? The outright behavior and lies dont matter? Just shut up!
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Yep
Agree
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Quote from kpack123
After this election and their support of the most hedonistic candidate ever, are they permanently irrelevant as a social and political force?
Personally I think they are no longer a viable constituency. They sold their soul into irrelevancy with trump
Only when an up and coming Jr Senator, who decides to run for President and keeps listening to a racist, anti-American pastor at his own Church for over a few years. But besides that, no.
Kennedy made it clear:
[i][b]But let me stress again that these are my views. For contrary to common newspaper usage, I am not the Catholic candidate for president. I am the Democratic Party’s candidate for president, who happens also to be a Catholic. I do not speak for my church on public matters, and the church does not speak for me.[b] [/b][i] [/i][u][/u][strike][/strike][/b][/i]-
???What the hell does that mean???
Non sequitur. Your example is irrelevant to kpack’s statement. First you make a reference to Obama’s church attendance & then to some crazy right-winger voters’ concern that Kennedy was a Catholic who would cede America’s control to the Pope & somehow equate it to holy-roller evangelical support of Trump?
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Mammon is the real Evangelical God. Part of the Prosperity Gospel theology.
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[link=https://relevantmagazine.com/slice/study-white-evangelicals-are-suddenly-much-more-likely-to-forgive-politicians-immoral-conduct/]https://relevantmagazine.com/slice/s…moral-conduct/[/link]
When Obama was in office only 30% of white evangelicals said they would forgive a president’s immoral behavior. Now, under Trump, it’s 72%.
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One of the positive things about the Trump Presidency is that it has laid bare the rank hypocrisy of American evangelicals.
It allow every American person to henceforth completely disregard all of their moralizing bullsh*t.
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Morality for thee but not for me. It’s what Jesus would do.
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[url=[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/09/us/blacks-evangelical-churches.html?action=click&contentCollection=Podcasts&module=Trending&version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article]https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/09/us/blacks-evangelical-churches.html?action=click&contentCollection=Podcasts&module=Trending&version=Full®ion=Marginalia&pgtype=article]African-Americans leaving predominantly white evangelical churches[/url]
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In the last couple of decades, there had been signs, however modest, that eleven oclock on Sunday morning might cease to be the most segregated hour in America. Racial reconciliation was the talk of conferences and the subject of formal resolutions. Large Christian ministries were dedicated to the aim of integration, and many black Christians decided to join white-majority congregations. Some went as missionaries, called by God to integrate. Others were simply drawn to a different worship style short, conveniently timed services that emphasized a personal connection to God.
The fruits could be seen if you looked in the right places, particularly within the kind of nondenominational megachurches that gleam from the roadsides here in the sprawl of Dallas-Fort Worth. In 2012, according to a report from the National Congregation Study, more than two-thirds of those attending white-majority churches were worshiping alongside at least some black congregants, a notable increase since a similar survey in 1998. This was more likely to be the case in evangelical churches than in mainline Protestant churches, and more likely in larger ones than in smaller ones.
Then came the 2016 election.
Black congregants as recounted by people in Chicago, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Fort Worth and elsewhere had already grown uneasy in recent years as they watched their white pastors fail to address police shootings of African-Americans. They heard prayers for Paris, for Brussels, for law enforcement; they heard that one should keep ones eyes on the kingdom, that the church was colorblind, and that talk of racial injustice was divisive, not a matter of the gospel. There was still some hope that this stemmed from an obliviousness rather than some deeper disconnect.
Then white evangelicals voted for Mr. Trump by a larger margin than they had voted for any presidential candidate. They cheered the outcome, reassuring uneasy fellow worshipers with talk of abortion and religious liberty, about how politics is the art of compromise rather than the ideal. Christians of color, even those who shared these policy preferences, looked at Mr. Trumps comments about Mexican immigrants, his open hostility to N.F.L. players protesting police brutality and his earlier birther crusade against President Obama, claiming falsely he was not a United States citizen. In this political deal, many concluded, they were the compromised.[/QUOTE]
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This is a good piece by Michael Gerson:
[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/554066/][b]The Last Temptation:[/b] Trump and the Evangelicals (How evangelicals, once culturally confident, became an anxious minority seeking political protection from the least traditionally religious president in living memory)[/link]
Trump supporters tend to dismiss moral scruples about his behavior as squeamishness over the presidents style. But the problem is the distinctly non-Christian substance of his [i]values[/i]. Trumps unapologetic materialismhis equation of financial and social success with human achievement and worthis a negation of Christian teaching. His tribalism and hatred for the other stand in direct opposition to Jesuss radical ethic of neighbor love. Trumps strength-worship and contempt for losers smack more of Nietzsche than of Christ. [i]Blessed are the proud. Blessed are the ruthless. Blessed are the shameless. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after fame.
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Loyalty to Trump has involved progressively more difficult, self-abasing demands. And there appears to be no limit to what some evangelical leaders will endure.
The corruption of a political party is regrettable. The corruption of a religious tradition by politics is tragic, shaming those who participate in it.
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So where do evangelicals get their theory of social engagement? It is cheating to say (as most evangelicals probably would) the Bible. The Christian Bible, after all, can be a vexing document: At various points, it offers approving accounts of genocide and recommends the stoning of insubordinate children. Some interpretive theory must elevate the Golden Rule above Iron Age ethics and apply that higher ideal to the tragic compromises of public life. Lacking an equivalent to Catholic social thought, many evangelicals seem to find their theory merely by following the contours of the political movement that is currently defending, and exploiting, them. The voter guides of religious conservatives have often been suspiciously similar to the political priorities of movement conservatism. Fox News and talk radio are vastly greater influences on evangelicals political identity than formal statements by religious denominations or from the National Association of Evangelicals. In this Christian political movement, Christian theology is emphatically not the primary motivating factor.It is not that secularization, abortion, and religious liberty are trivial issues; they are extremely important. But the timing and emphasis of evangelical responses have contributed to a broad sense that evangelical political engagement is negative, censorious, and oppositional. This funneled focus has also created the damaging impression that Christians are obsessed with sex. Much of the secular public hears from Christians only on issues of sexualityfrom contraceptive mandates to gay rights to transgender bathroom usage. And while religious people do believe that sexual ethics are important, the nature of contemporary religious engagement creates a misimpression about just how important they are relative to other crucial issues.[/QUOTE]
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[b]Trump support with evangelicals hits all-time high [/b]
A new [link=https://twitter.com/robertpjones/status/986281624471031808]PRRI survey[/link] finds President Trumps favorability at an all-time high with white evangelical Christians, 75% to 22%.
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Evangelicals and guns? Is that what Jesus and the New Testament preaches? I missed those verses.
[link=https://www.npr.org/2018/05/27/614886515/-my-third-conversion-rev-rob-schenck-on-why-he-took-on-gun-control]https://www.npr.org/2018/…he-took-on-gun-control[/link]
MARTIN: So this kind of gets to the question I think a lot of people have. Why is it that white, evangelical Christians are so connected to this question of gun ownership and gun rights? Statistically, they are far more likely to be gun owners. Why is that?
SCHENCK: Well, I did want to ask that question, and I became more and more curious about it. And I was shocked at what I found. I was talking with colleagues. [b]I’m a minister, and I had many pastor friends who were now arming in the pulpit. One of my longtime friends told me, Rob, if somebody ever stands up in my congregation and makes a sound, he’ll be sorry he ever did because I’ll take him out right from the pulpit.[/b]
When I heard that, I said, we have a deep crisis in our community. And I went looking – what is this that has brought us to a place of embracing popular gun culture? And what I learned was, first of all, there is a deep and abiding fear within my community, a fear of persecution by the federal government – and that many of my colleagues and friends and the folks in the churches that I visited would tell me if we don’t have guns, we won’t be able to defend ourselves against the government when they come after us.
There is a kind of fierce independence among evangelicals. And so I think it is part of the sort of wild west, you know, independent American culture woven into our Christian culture. And there may even be something more sinister.
[b]I was in one encounter with a group of clergy in Kentucky. And I asked, how many of you are armed? And every one of the 20 or so around the table were armed. And I asked them, you know, as soon as you draw the weapon, you’re ready to kill. When do you make that decision? And there was a lot of hemming and hawing and uncomfortable body language. And finally, a gentleman – maybe in his mid-60s – quietly ventured an answer. [u]And he said, well, I’ll have to tell you the truth about that. That would have to do with a man’s skin color.[/u][/b]
Not the New Testament I was raised on. I don’t recall Jesus calling for anyone to kill. Someone needs to point out those verses. What do these “God’s people” know that no one else seems to? -
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[b]Trump support with evangelicals hits all-time high [/b]
A new [link=https://twitter.com/robertpjones/status/986281624471031808]PRRI survey[/link] finds President Trumps favorability at an all-time high with white evangelical Christians, 75% to 22%.
Yeah, but that just tracks his general increase in popularity. As people learn to ignore the Twitter noise and enjoy the additional money in their pockets, that’ll just continue until his re-election two years from now 😉
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Additional money? A tiny bit of injected reality is required here. The extra $ in people’s pockets due to Trump’s tax cuts are small than either of Obama’s tax cuts according to the Chicago Tribune a right-leaning newspaper and was not a friend of Obama’s.
[link=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/factcheck/ct-trump-tax-cut-claim-fact-check-20171101-story.html]http://www.chicagotribune…ck-20171101-story.html[/link]
The budget blueprint approved by Republicans indicates that tax cut would reduce revenue by $167 billion in 2018; it also averages out to $167 billion a year in the first four years. We’ll use a gross domestic product of $19.5 trillion in 2018, which assumes the kind of growth Trump expects.
That means the tax cut would be nearly 0.9 percent of GDP.
Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2010 (Obama): 1.31 percent
American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012 ([link=http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics-government/government/barack-obama-PEPLT007408-topic.html]Obama[/link]): 1.78 percent
In other words, Trump’s tax cut would even be smaller than two tax cuts passed by Congress under President Barack Obama. We’re sure that must be a source of irritation. In fact, Trump’s tax cut would even fall behind Obama’s tax cuts when measured by inflation-adjusted dollars, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.
[h3][b]The Pinocchio Test[/b][/h3] We realize that the president often likes to say biggest or best, but his claim about the tax plan is embarrassing flimflam. He needs to drop this talking point. Saying it over and over does not make it so.
[i][b]Four Pinocchios[/b][/i][i][b]
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Additional money? A tiny bit of injected reality is required here. The extra $ in people’s pockets due to Trump’s tax cuts are small than either of Obama’s tax cuts according to the Chicago Tribune a right-leaning newspaper and was not a friend of Obama’s.
You guys are funny. One one hand you bemoan how the tax cut is going to ‘cost’ all these billions and on the other you claim that it doesn’t make a difference to the individuals who get it.-
You argue non sequiturs. It will cost our children to repay & its only purpose is a bribe as our economy does not need stimulus so much as more equality of wealth distribution & less wage theft. This tax cut does not address the fundamental problem, it only makes things worse by paying out bribes that increase our debt.
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You argue non sequiturs. It will cost our children to repay & its only purpose is a bribe as our economy does not need stimulus so much as more equality of wealth distribution & less wage theft. This tax cut does not address the fundamental problem, it only makes things worse by paying out bribes that increase our debt.
Frummy, how do you think Radiologists make money since reimbursement has dropped some much in the past 10 years? Volume and quick turnaround. Same reasoning with the tax issue. Get more people to work and more people pay taxes and things get paid down. I choke when I say this but… Since Al Gore invented the Internet (actually Military ArcNet) and he and Bill were in the .com boost, more people where hired and went to work which then paid in to the tax system. Come take my money… you’ll be missing 3 fingers.
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Show me opinions of economists who have published opinions with data showing Supply Side creates more income than it cuts.
SupplySide has been religion since Reagan. In all those years show me where it has created greater or equal revenue than what it cut.
Unemployment is about as historically as low as it has ever been. How many jobs is one supposed to have to create tax revenue equal to the cuts?
Government departments have studied the cuts, what studies have they made where they determined the cuts would be covered?
Those questions should be easy to answer.
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Supply side can add quick revenue to the government but historically it Peters out in a few years and the effect is deficit increasing
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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/21/anti-trump-evangelicals-saw-christianity-today-editorial-breath-fresh-air-says-magazines-former-editor/]Anti-Trump evangelicals saw the Christianity Today editorial as a breath of fresh air, says the magazines former editor[/link]
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The evangelical types the left relish to hate or castigate because they dont conform to odd opinions about flexible definitions of gender or expunging tradition are a lot smarter than libs ever give them credit for. They will go straight for the goal-line powering through on a best path to success. Conservatives are winning and Prez Trump is the vessel for their divine interest.
Assessing a person character is not an easy science as liberals have make it out to be by glibly opining ad nauseum about President Trump. Yet, at the same time, some libs chose to praise a terrorist organizer in death as a ‘religious scholar’ who introduced his group to the world with a short youtube clip of multiple assignations over a trench. To the left though a quintessential “rude NYer” pissing off a lot of folks with his attitude is grounds for demonizing.
How else does an individual assess Trump’s (or anybody’s) character outside of how his/her actions affects others?Given his meaningful actions —roaring economy, energy independence, judicial placements, reorganization of past trade agreements with success, abrogation of treacherous climate/foreign agreements (i.e. Iran appeasement) that directly undermined American interests—President Trump’s actions have been an undeniable positive for millions of people. Thus it should be concluded that President Trump so far has been a man who has fulfilled several of his pre-election directives and is of good character.
Meanwhile sad libs rehash minutia from the past in desperate attempts at the never-ending search for novel virtual signaling to the left: he raised money in a wine cave!, He’s too corporate!, “white supremacy’ “supported/opposed [whatever] [whenever]! ” that twitter posting 10 years ago was not acceptable!!! He should be fired!!!”.
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What is an Evangelical leader? Are these the Joel Ostein, Paula White type people that are basically using religion to make a fortune by suckering people into giving them money?
I’m Roman Catholic and the our priest isn’t lsaying give me your January earnings to plant a seed. This was Paula White who is the Trump religious whatever.
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[b]Falwell attacks the DOJ, calls for arrests[/b]
On Friday, Falwell took to the social media platform to [link=https://twitter.com/JerryFalwellJr/status/1028040720865808384]ask[/link] if there are “any grownups” with “integrity” still remaining in the Department of Justice.
Stating that he watched “Repubs join Dems” to force former President Richard Nixon out of office in 1974, Falwell asked why “Dems won’t join Repubs” to “lock up” former FBI Director James Comey, former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, former U.S. Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, U.S. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, former FBI agent Peter Strzok (who was [link=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/13/fbi-fires-peter-strzok-months-after-anti-trump-texts-revealed.html]fired Monday[/link] over ant-Trump text messages), former Secretary of State and Democratic presidential nominee Clinton, former President Obama and “maybe even” current Attorney General Sessions.
Falwell’s tweet came over a week after he [link=http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/400042-trump-backer-jerry-falwell-jr-questions-sessions-as-phony]called Sessions a “phony”[/link] because he hasn’t halted the the special counsel’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.
Falwell, who has become known for his staunch support of the president, received a [link=https://twitter.com/JerryFalwellJr/status/1028834572031746048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1028834572031746048&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediaite.com%2Ftv%2Fjerry-falwell-jr-jeff-sessions-rod-rosenstein-christopher-wray-should-rot-in-jail%2F]response[/link] from Congressman Ted Lieu, D-Calif., on Sunday.
“Dear @JerryFalwellJr: The people who have decided not to prosecute the folks listed in your tweet are: [Attorney General] Sessions, Deputy [Attorney General] Rosenstein, FBI Director Christopher Wray. All of them happen to be Republicans & were nominated by @realDonaldTrump & confirmed by GOP controlled Senate.”
Falwell shot back.
“Yep and I think they deceived @realDonaldTrump into appointing them,” Falwell [link=https://twitter.com/JerryFalwellJr/status/1028834572031746048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1028834572031746048&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediaite.com%2Ftv%2Fjerry-falwell-jr-jeff-sessions-rod-rosenstein-christopher-wray-should-rot-in-jail%2F]tweeted[/link]. “They should rot in the same jail.”
Yep and I think they deceived @realDonaldTrump into appointing them. They should rot in the same jail
— Jerry Falwell (@JerryFalwellJr) August 13, 2018
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Fallwell is a joke. There was some news I saw that their Liberty University was censoring the school new paper. Essentially killing anything criticial of Trump but they basically told the student journalist their job was to make the school look good.
[link=http://thehill.com/homenews/media/402734-falwell-jr-killed-student-newspaper-articles-critical-of-trump-report ]http://thehill.com/homene…-of-trump-report [/link]
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Since Reagan, when has it produced equivalent or greater revenue than it cuts? We have almost 4 decades of data so it should be easy. When have Supply Side cuts created equal or greater revenue than it cut since Reagan?
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Year one it usually does
After that deficits start add up
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Are they relevant? To an election? Of course… this is a really, really unfathomably dumb question. They are a voting bloc. They are organized. They are given binary choices, they choose as a block and they vote. Do you know what a binary choice is? It means you have to choose one thing or another thing. Trump = pro-life = evangelical vote. Hillary = pro- late term abortion = no evangelical vote. Next election: Trump = pro life = evangelical vote. Warren = pro late term abortion = no evangelical vote. Yeah.. they are pretty relevant. Voting blocs are relevant.
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And if those choices include choosing between white supremacy and hatred, lies and corruption – or not, Trump is the obvious choice for these voting blocs.
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Well the last binary choice Hillary actually won by 3 million votes which is usually enough to win the electoral college
Last election was a fluke
Wisconsin Pennsylvania and Michigan would vote differently today too
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Can someone PLEASE explain to me how Trump is a racist again? This one really confuses me. What evidence is there of his racism — or is it just convenient to call everyone a racist when you don’t have a cogent argument?
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Not real sure where the race thing was mentioned but……He is a bad human being all around
Multiple wives cheats on all of them
Multiple business bankruptcies Nd incidents of non payment to contractors and sub contractors
Bad mouthed a gold star family
Made fun of John McCain for getting captured
Made fun of a disabled reporter
Just a total POS
I can give you 20 more individual failings of the man if you want
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Can someone PLEASE explain to me how Trump is a racist again? This one really confuses me. What evidence is there of his racism — or is it just convenient to call everyone a racist when you don’t have a cogent argument?
Ever notice that he always refers to black folks as low IQ or dumb? Stereotyping Mexicans & Muslims. African S-holes. Birtherism. Central park 5. Kowtowing to white supremacist. The evidence is there with exception of the tape of him saying n1gg3r but Sanders said she can’t guarantee that tape doesn’t exist.
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Talk about a classic “deal with the devil. It was only a few short years ago that Christian leaders were yelling from the rooftops that morality was essential for political office and that unethical/immoral behavior should be disqualifying.
[link]https://youtu.be/b7SaIdMM0Zw[/link]
[b]Pro-Trump pastor Robert Jeffress explains evangelical support[/b]I know a lot of people are still perplexed- why are Christians so supportive of Donald Trump?Well, its really not that hard to figure out when you realize he is the most pro-life, pro-religious liberty, pro-conservative judiciary in history and that includes either Bush or Ronald Reagan.
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We have to understand these are still allegations against the president, so Im not going to judge the president on these things. But even if they were true, some of these allegations, I mean, obviously, we dont support extramarital affairs, we dont support hush money payments, but what we do support are these presidents excellent policies.
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And dont be mistaking what is going on here. Those who hate President Trump, those on the left know that if they can dislodge his evangelical supporters from him, they have a shot at overtaking the White House. I think the left is trying to shame people like myself continuously for supporting this great president. Its not going to work. Were not going to turn away from him.
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Shame
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the ends justify the means.
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It’s what Jesus would do. It’s what the New Testament teaches. It’s what the Bible tell everyone what Jesus died for. Jesus preached, “Make the deal!” “I’ll take that deal!” he said after 40 days.
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Yep. Something like 75% of Trumps attacks based on intelligence are made against blacks/minorities.
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The blue wave of 2018 in a nutshell:
Republicans carried white evangelical Christians by 53 percentage points
Democrats carried everyone else by 34 points
white evangelical Christians are roughly one-fourth of the electorate.
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So tell me why the Left isn’t racist as well? Prior Immigrant border crossing comments have come from Obama, Biden (who mock about an East Indy guy), Bill and Hilary? Have mentioned, criminals, drugs and gangs crossing over our borders and there needs to be a better policy in place.
The worst cities that have kept the black and Hispanic communities with the highest crime rate and poorest neighborhoods have been Democratic controlled. Chicago, Portland, Seattle, Oakland, SF, Detroit.
Ok so trump had some businesses that bankrupted. I supposed you’ll say they were businesses that were Minority Based only. How can he be a racists when he’s hired or have created businesses that trickle all groups down the line? It’s really the Left that is racist in nature. That’s your shtick now. White Privilege, Old White Men, Wealthy White Women. It’s you free ride word for justification.
You guys would rather have a soft spoken, hip and cool, yada yada yada lawyer to run the country. Instead of a brash loud arrogant business person.
Sometimes, talking about it or expressing how “I” feel about it doesn’t get it done. You have to admit, Obama, Bill or Hillary stating they’re going to kick your Arse doesn’t carry the same weight as the Don.-
Hahahaha
Immigrant border crossings
You mean the George Soros led invasion with the Muslims and MS13
You are allowed to believe whatever Bullsheet you choose but please dont call someone arrogant for thinking you are FOS and stupid
Jesus would not and does not agree with you
You are supporting a tool of the devil
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So tell me why the Left isn’t racist as well? Prior Immigrant border crossing comments have come from Obama, Biden (who mock about an East Indy guy), Bill and Hilary? Have mentioned, criminals, drugs and gangs crossing over our borders and there needs to be a better policy in place.
The worst cities that have kept the black and Hispanic communities with the highest crime rate and poorest neighborhoods have been Democratic controlled. Chicago, Portland, Seattle, Oakland, SF, Detroit.
Ok so trump had some businesses that bankrupted. I supposed you’ll say they were businesses that were Minority Based only. How can he be a racists when he’s hired or have created businesses that trickle all groups down the line? It’s really the Left that is racist in nature. That’s your shtick now. White Privilege, Old White Men, Wealthy White Women. It’s you free ride word for justification.
You guys would rather have a soft spoken, hip and cool, yada yada yada lawyer to run the country. Instead of a brash loud arrogant business person.
Sometimes, talking about it or expressing how “I” feel about it doesn’t get it done. You have to admit, Obama, Bill or Hillary stating they’re going to kick your Arse doesn’t carry the same weight as the Don.
However, you want to define left, right, center there’s racism and bias all around. I don’t necessarily think it’s racist to want to build a wall, or call for immigration reform, or whatever. Don the Con has been different. He goes after Acosta and calls him rude, but the black reporter asks stupid questions. Mexicans are rapists, and all horrible people.
Outside of the political arena look back on his career in which he was refusing to rent to blacks. There’s just all the small things. Like I said before he might not be saying things like racist slurs but he does do things that seem racist.
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Well Acosta is always rude. I have never heard him ask a meaningful
question to uncover any useful information. He likes to grandstand and
lecture the President. No respect for the office. Acosta always ends up being
the story. He is not a journalist at all. He does not have the right to be in the
White House press pool. Its a privilege and he lost the privilege like a 5 year old
losing his ipad.
Typical left hyperbole. He never said all Mexicans are rapists. Fake news.
And he has also referred to plenty of whites as low IQ.
Maybe he is racist, but he is certainly not the first racist in the White House.
I have a family member who was a secret service agent and worked in the white
house under President Clinton. He has told me several stories about Hilary that
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Desperate cherry-picking and parsing is not winning the argument nor does it deny the truth of the facts. Trump is a racist and uses racist terms to his followers. “All” Mexicans? Yeah, he did say he thought there might be a few good ones out there. Hardly an exoneration of Trump and the Right. Laura Ingraham said it well with her, “Demographic changes none of us voted for!” Her network is about pushing these despicable views for money. We are now hearing messages stated outloud about Blut und Boden, Blood and Soil from the Right.
The only thing the Right has to offer is anger and resentment and hate. That includes the “Godly” (sarcasm here) Evangelicals since they deny and oppose what the New Testament is all about. Suddenly all they see in the New Testament is Romans 13, “obey authority.”
And Hillary is not President and Bill hasn’t been President for almost 19 years now. Get over it.
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Well Acosta is always rude. I have never heard him ask a meaningful
question to uncover any useful information. He likes to grandstand and
lecture the President. No respect for the office. Acosta always ends up being
the story. He is not a journalist at all. He does not have the right to be in the
White House press pool. Its a privilege and he lost the privilege like a 5 year old
losing his ipad.
Typical left hyperbole. He never said all Mexicans are rapists. Fake news.
And he has also referred to plenty of whites as low IQ.
Maybe he is racist, but he is certainly not the first racist in the White House.
I have a family member who was a secret service agent and worked in the white
house under President Clinton. He has told me several stories about Hilary that
would fit your definition of racist.If Acosta is rude what would Trump be considered? 5 year old definitely describes one of them. Also which White people has he called Low IQ? Obviously he’s not the first racist in the white house considering we’ve had pro-slavery POTII
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Its a privilege and he lost
Nope. It was a 5th Amendment violation.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/judge-hands-cnn-victory-in-its-bid-to-restore-jim-acostas-white-house-press-pass/2018/11/16/8bedd08a-e920-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html?utm_term=.84705b2da783]Federal judge grants CNN’s request for a temporary restraining order, giving Acosta back his hard pass to the White House[/link]The judge is even a Trump appointee. Sad!
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Acosta behaved poorly. There are consequences of that. Not sure you can take away his access. But if your representative is acting inappropriate I think CNN should discipline.
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So many of these people fail to have basic human decency. Acosta acted poorly. Trump acted poorly. Recognize it. Instead it’s always my side vs your side. Ridiculous
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