[kayla.meyer_144]

A number of people agree with the comparison to the Nazis.
 
I agree.
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger definitely thinks so making the direct comparison to Kristallnacht and Brownshirts.
 
[link=https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/schwarzenegger-was-right-many-of-his-fellow-republicans-are-spineless/ar-BB1cK0Yo]https://www.msn.com/en-us…-spineless/ar-BB1cK0Yo[/link]
 
And this article of a couple of days ago agrees:
 
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/magazine/trump-coup.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…gazine/trump-coup.html[/link]

the responsibility for Trumps push to overturn an election must be shared by a very large number of Republican members of Congress. Rather than contradict Trump from the beginning, they allowed his electoral fiction to flourish. They had different reasons for doing so. One group of Republicans is concerned above all with gaming the system to maintain power, taking full advantage of constitutional obscurities, gerrymandering and dark money to win elections with a minority of motivated voters. They have no interest in the collapse of the peculiar form of representation that allows their minority party disproportionate control of government. The most important among them,[b] [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/us/politics/mcconnell-backs-trump-impeachment.html]Mitch McConnell[/link], indulged Trumps lie while making no comment on its consequences.[/b]
 
Yet other Republicans saw the situation differently: They might actually break the system and have power without democracy. The split between these two groups, the gamers and the breakers, became sharply visible on Dec. 30, when [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/30/us/politics/josh-hawley-trump-election-challenge.html]Senator Josh Hawley announced[/link] that he would support Trumps challenge by questioning the validity of the electoral votes on Jan. 6. [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-cruz-election-fraud.html]Ted Cruz then promised his own support,[/link] joined by about 10 other senators. [b]More than a hundred Republican representatives took the same position.[/b]

[b]Post-truth is pre-fascism[/b], and Trump has been our post-truth president.
 
Like historical fascist leaders, Trump has presented himself as the single source of truth. His use of the term fake news echoed the Nazi smear Lügenpresse (lying press); like the Nazis, he referred to reporters as enemies of the people. Like Adolf Hitler, he came to power at a moment when the conventional press had taken a beating; the financial crisis of 2008 did to American newspapers what the Great Depression did to German ones. The Nazis thought that they could use radio to replace the old pluralism of the newspaper; Trump tried to do the same with Twitter.
 
Thanks to technological capacity and personal talent, Donald Trump lied at a pace perhaps unmatched by any other leader in history.
 
In the four decades since the election of Ronald Reagan, Republicans have overcome the tension between the gamers and the breakers by governing in opposition to government, or by calling elections a revolution (the Tea Party), or by claiming to oppose elites. 
 
[b]The lie outlasts the liar. The idea that Germany lost the First World War in 1918 because of a Jewish stab in the back was 15 years old when Hitler came to power. How will Trumps myth of victimhood function in American life 15 years from now? And to whose benefit?[/b]

[b][/b]
 
   

[kaldridgewv2211]

Joe Biden needs to capitalize and change a lot of minds. Sounds easy but do a good job and get back to standards.

[Unknown Member]

Communism and identity politics is a solid way to change minds, should work like a charm

[kaldridgewv2211]

Obviously. I can wait for Joe to seize Starbucks and send me my Starbucks rations.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from irfellowship2020

Communism and identity politics is a solid way to change minds, should work like a charm

Yes, we’ve tried 4 years of Fascism and identity politics (are you white enough?) and Personality Cult politics (God sent Dear Leader Trump, the Messiah) and they surely failed with a bang even if Republicans still think we should double down.
 
 

[Unknown Member]

How great is America after 4 years of trump

25,000 troops in the capital

Yes he made America not great

Total POS he is

[kayla.meyer_144]

Patriots fighting those Commies in the Capital. Including that Commie, Pence!

[kaldridgewv2211]

Seems Trump wants  statue of Hannah Ardent.  That Hannah Ardent.  The Nazi apologist.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Huh? You mean Hannah Arendt? She was no Nazi apologist. She wrote of “the banality of evil” in reference to Eichmann & that phrase has been compared to our illustrious president.
 
The funny part is proposing her statue next to that of Nellie Gray.

[btomba_77]

[b]Josh Hawley Has Best Fundraising Month Yet  [/b]
January was Sen. Josh Hawleys [link=https://joshhawley.com/recent-missouri-statewide-survey-fundraising-data/]best fundraising month[/link]by farsince his 2018 election, with a flood of small-dollar donations more than eclipsing the corporate cash he lost after leading an effort to block certification of President Bidens Electoral College win, [link=https://www.axios.com/hawley-grassroots-cash-capitol-attack-5bff7ed5-b15a-48dc-a6cf-d5c9418a5687.html]Axios[/link] reports.
 
Corporate PACs cut ties with the Missouri Republican after the Capitol insurrection that followed the Hawley-led gambit. But his grassroots fundraising bonanza in the weeks after shows the GOP base still firmly in Hawleys camp.
 
_______
 
The GOP base is still hand-in-glove with the fascist wing of the party.

 

[btomba_77]

Almost a year to the day later, DC police admit they tear gassed the protestors at Lafayette park so that Trump could get his bible photo op

The curfew, violence of past nights, chaos created by federal defendants, discharge of tear gas in that direction was not unreasonable. “. ~ attorney Richard Sobiecki, representing MPD.

(Argument is court is that because they didnt target any *individual* , no constitutional rights were violated )

[btomba_77]

[b]IG Report says Trump did not clear Lafayette Square for Bible Photo-op

[/b]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/police-clear-lafayette-park-area-trump-hold-bible/story?id=78171712&cid=social_twitter_abcn

U.S. Park Police did not [link=https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-calls-tear-gas-reports-fake-news-protesters/story?id=71052769]clear Lafayette Park[/link] and the nearby area of protesters on June 1, 2020, so President [link=https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/donald-trump]Donald Trump[/link] could walk from the White House over to St. Johns Church, but learned of his interest in surveying the site hours after they already had begun planning to clear the area to put up new fencing, according to a new watchdog [link=https://www.doioig.gov/site-page/statement-inspector-general-mark-lee-greenblatt-regarding-special-review-report-review-us]report[/link].
The Interior Departments inspector general did not determine whether law enforcement acted inappropriately against demonstrators last year and did not focus on individual incidents of police use of force, but found that poor communication between agencies and ineffective dispersal warnings “may have contributed to confusion during the operation and the use of tactics that appeared inconsistent” with initial plans.

…

Additionally, Secret Service deployed against protestors before the first dispersal orders were given – and warnings asking demonstrators to disperse were not heard by protestors before police started aggressively clearing the park.
[/QUOTE]

[link=https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/557605-trump-claims-exoneration-in-lafayette-square-clearing-out]https://thehill.com/polic…te-square-clearing-out[/link]

Trump goes with … yep, you guessed   “Totally Exonerated”

“Thank you to the Department of the Interior Inspector General for Completely and Totally exonerating me in the clearing of Lafayette Park!” 
“As we have said all along, and it was backed up in todays highly detailed and professionally written report, our fine Park Police made the decision to clear the park to allow a contractor to safely install antiscale fencing to protect from Antifa rioters, radical BLM protestors, and other violent demonstrators who are causing chaos and death to our cities. In this instance, they tried burning down the church the day before the clearing. Fortunately, we were there to stop the fire from spreading beyond the basement – and it was our great honor and privilege to do so. Again, thank you to the Inspector General!” 
 

[btomba_77]

Color me skeptical … way too convenient
 
[link=https://twitter.com/eliehonig/status/1402754923796877313]https://twitter.com/elieh…us/1402754923796877313[/link]

Elie Honig:

Sequence, per new IG report:

– Barr asks, Are these people still going to be here when POTUS comes out?

– Crowd violently dispersed

– Trump strolls through newly-cleared tract, with Barr and others walking alongside

– Photo op at church

[morningdew.reina_107]

Do you ever get tired of responding to yourself?

[btomba_77]

Actually, yes.   I miss the days when Aunt Minnie had a more robust political dialogue.    I happily engage in good faith with other AM posters who also engage in good faith. 
 
Those posters are, sadly, in shorter supply these days.

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.nycsouthpaw.com/p/reading-the-park-police-ig-report]https://www.nycsouthpaw.c…-park-police-ig-report[/link]
(worth the full read …. )
[h1]Reading the Park Police IG Report More Closely[/h1] [h3]It doesn’t support the headlines.[/h3]

The problem with these headlines is the actual IG report is too jurisdictionally limited to support, and offers multiple reasons to doubt, its exonerative conclusion. (Indeed, if you click through, youll find each of the news stories linked above is more equivocal than its headline.) The oversimplification of the report in these headlines and in tv coverage has led to widespread confusion about its contents. Here are a few important points to know about what the IG report actually says and doesnt say:
[b]…[/b]
[b]
[/b]Without an explanation of the early Secret Service deployment, which is outside the scope of the DOI IG report, we cant rule out the possibility that Trumps schedule determined the timing of the assault on protesters. Without knowing more about the official who was apparently seeking to move up that timing, whose identity and affiliation are mysteriously redacted in the DOI IG report, we cant pursue an important lead that might explain that early deployment. Without an investigation that looks beyond the Park Police to all the participants involved in that violent affair, a task the IG report expressly disavows, we cant make particularly meaningful conclusions. The uncertainties left by the report dont mean that we need to overstate our certainty in the other directionwe really dont know why the Secret Service jumped out earlybut news headlines should reflect the reports limitations and its deliberate blindspots, not the governments party line.

[/QUOTE]
 
 

[satyanar]

Quote from dergon

[link=https://www.nycsouthpaw.com/p/reading-the-park-police-ig-report]https://www.nycsouthpaw.c…-park-police-ig-report[/link]
(worth the full read …. )
[h1]Reading the Park Police IG Report More Closely[/h1] [h3]It doesn’t support the headlines.[/h3]

 
This is a common theme with the stories that pop on on news feeds and are posted here. Thats why I encourage AM participants to give them a good read with critical thought. Lots to learn.

[satyanar]

Quote from dergon

Actually, yes.   I miss the days when Aunt Minnie had a more robust political dialogue.    I happily engage in good faith with other AM posters who also engage in good faith. 

Those posters are, sadly, in shorter supply these days.

 
Any idea where they went? I have not been around nearly as long as most of you here. I originally avoided this forum because it seemed too partisan. As I learned some new methods to engage people with less animosity I thought I might give it a go. For some reason its become pretty one sided in here. Lots of personal attacks but little true discussion. Ill keep hoping. 

[kaldridgewv2211]

I think thats the nature of a politics board. Everyone has a side. The dumb little pot shots as taken at Dergon are silly. Kind of sad since Im assuming its a educated person behind the screen name.

[btomba_77]

Any idea where they went?

Some of the right-learners went insane during the Obama years.

RVU went off the deep end then stopped posting. Aldadoc left shortly after liquidating his portfolio in 2012 because Obamas second term meant the end of America.

Dalai convinced himself that we are all anti-semites because we are critical of the Netanyahu government.

.

Then the polarization itself spooked away some of the traditional conservatives.

Also, the trollification of the entire forum during the bad job market years, especially 2013-2015 made reasonable people drift away from AM.

–

Then there was Trump. Only the assholes were all-in while the mainstream conservatives, who voted for him over HRC while holding their noses, didnt have the energy to defend or rebut the stories of gross incompetence, anti-democratic tendencies, and grift of the administration that came day after day after day after day.

So now here we are. A few trolls that I have blocked, a couple of conservative who will on occasion poke their head in for a real comment, but mostly gotcha questions, vague responses that allow for goalpost shifting, or replies that distill down to nuh uh or fake news or liberals are bad.

[satyanar]

Quote from dergon

Any idea where they went?

Some of the right-learners went insane during the Obama years.

RVU went off the deep end then stopped posting. Aldadoc left shortly after liquidating his portfolio in 2012 because Obamas second term meant the end of America.

Dalai convinced himself that we are all anti-semites because we are critical of the Netanyahu government.

.

Then the polarization itself spooked away some of the traditional conservatives.

Also, the trollification of the entire forum during the bad job market years, especially 2013-2015 made reasonable people drift away from AM.

–

Then there was Trump. Only the ****s were all-in while the mainstream conservatives, who voted for him over HRC while holding their noses, didnt have the energy to defend or rebut the stories of gross incompetence, anti-democratic tendencies, and grift of the administration that came day after day after day after day.

So now here we are. A few trolls that I have blocked, a couple of conservative who will on occasion poke their head in for a real comment, but mostly gotcha questions, vague responses that allow for goalpost shifting, or replies that distill down to nuh uh or fake news or liberals are bad.

 
Thanks for the history. I didn’t know the names but this fits with what I observed.
 
 
“Then the polarization itself spooked away some of the traditional conservatives.”
 
This is what kept me from participating despite lurking.
 
“So now here we are. A few trolls that I have blocked, a couple of conservative who will on occasion poke their head in for a real comment, but mostly gotcha questions, vague responses that allow for goalpost shifting, or replies that distill down to nuh uh or fake news or liberals are bad.”
 
Yes, this is close to what I observe. Perhaps it is because the focus is on winning arguments rather than learning from others?
 

[btomba_77]

[h1]Exchange of the Day[/h1]  
[link=https://www.axios.com/trump-mark-milley-protests-michael-bender-a41db287-7f6a-43d9-9a4c-1ba7a0307881.html]Axios[/link] has a passage from the forthcoming book, [i][link=https://amzn.to/3h0ObbH]Frankly, We Did Win This Election[/link][/i], from the Situation Room during the Black Lives Matter protests last summer.
 
Trump wanted[b] [/b]to invoke the Insurrection Act and put Milley “in charge” of a scorched-earth military campaign to suppress protests that had spiraled into riots in several cities. 

TRUMP: I said youre in ****ing in charge!
MILLEY: Well, Im not in charge!
TRUMP: You cant f*cking talk to me like that!
MILLEY: Goddamnit. Theres a room full of lawyers here. Will someone inform him of my legal responsibilities?
BARR: Hes right, Mr. President. The general is right.
 

[btomba_77]

#bunkerboy

[b]Trump Wanted Leakers of Bunker Stay Executed[/b]

Then-President Donald Trump told advisers that whoever leaked information about his stay in the White House bunker during protests last June had committed treason and should be executed for sharing details with the press, according to excerpts of a new book, Frankly, I Did Win The Election, obtained by CNN.

Trump boiled over about the bunker story as soon as they arrived and shouted at them to smoke out whoever had leaked it. It was the most upset some aides had ever seen the president.

[btomba_77]

The simple truth is this. Secretary Clinton was right about a vast right wing conspiracy. There was and is. It is filled {with} awful people, louses and hypocrites. It has done horrible damage to the country and out of it came the foundation for the fascist movement that imperils us all.

Former John McCain campaign manager Steve Schmidt.

[kaldridgewv2211]

For as much as Im not a Hillary fan she was spot on about Donald Trump.

[clickpenguin_460]

There’s no one more corrupt than Hillary.  She paid to spy on Trump.  She created the Russian hoax we had to deal with for 3 years.  She’s literally the embodiment of all that is the evil establishment regime – which includes both parties.
 
You guys are just sheep jerking each other off in the matrix.  I hope you wake up someday.

[btomba_77]

[b]Milley Said Trump Preached Gospel of the Führer  [/b]
General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, likened Donald Trumps effort to hold on to power after the 2020 election to Adolf Hitler, saying the president was preaching the gospel of the Führer with his lies about the election being stolen, according to a new book by two [i]Washington Post[/i] reporters, [link=https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/i-alone-can-fix-it-mark-milley-likened-trump-to-hitler.html]New York Magazine[/link] reports.
As chronicled in [i][link=https://amzn.to/3ek14M4]I Alone Can Fix It[/link][/i], by Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker, the Pentagons top general said shortly before the January 6 insurrection at the Capitol that Trump had led the country to the brink of its own Reichstag moment, viewing him as a potential threat to American democracy.
 
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/joint-chiefs-chairman-feared-potential-reichstag-moment-aimed-at-keeping-trump-in-power/2021/07/14/a326f5fe-e4ec-11eb-a41e-c8442c213fa8_story.html]Washington Post[/link]: Milley described a stomach-churning feeling as he listened to Trumps untrue complaints of election fraud, drawing a comparison to the 1933 attack on Germanys parliament building that Hitler used as a pretext to establish a Nazi dictatorship.
 
[link=https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/14/politics/donald-trump-election-coup-new-book-excerpt/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_allpolitics+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Politics%29]CNN[/link] reports Milley was so shaken that Trump and his allies might attempt a coup or take other dangerous or illegal measures after the November election that Milley and other top officials informally planned for different ways to stop Trump.

 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Have to give it to Stephen Colbert!

Were learning a lot of new details about the last days in office of former president, the [b]Turd Reich[/b], Stephen Colbert joked on Wednesday of Donald J. Trump. 

 
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/15/arts/television/stephen-colbert-trump-books.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…lbert-trump-books.html[/link]

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.indystar.com/story/news/education/2022/01/06/nazi-scott-baldwin-indiana-facism-education-teachers/9123302002/]Indianapolis Star[/link]
 
 
[h1][b]Neutral on Nazism: Indiana lawmaker walks back remark that teachers must be impartial[/b][/h1]
Indiana state Sen. Scott Baldwin said he wasnt clear when he said a bill he filed at the Indiana Statehouse would require teachers to be impartial in their teaching of all subjects, including during lessons about Nazism, Marxism, and fascism.

{Indiana History Teach Matt Bockenfeld testified}: And I’m just not neutral on the political ideology of fascism. We condemn it, and we condemn it in full, and I tell my students the purpose, in a democracy, of understanding the traits of fascism is so that we can recognize it and we can combat it. ……”we’re not neutral on Nazism. We take a stand in the classroom against it, and it matters that we do.

Baldwin (R Noblesville): I have no problem with the education system providing instruction on the existence of those isms, he said. I believe that we’ve gone too far when we take a position on those isms … We need to be impartial.
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

In order to understand Nazis & communist countries, you have to look at both sides.

[kayla.meyer_144]

And as he said, that goes for other ideologies, like White Supremacism. Or beliefs like Al Quedas. Or ISIS. Or Christian Nationalism.
 
We have to look at both sides. We need to be impartial & neutral & take no position in our teaching!
 
 

[satyanar]

Boy you are pathetic Frumi. I would say potentially delusional. You continue to contort this both sides argument that does not exist among those of us that are likely to be the ones to save our democracy.

I wish you luck. You are going to need it dearly. Dont mind me, Ill be out making sure you can enjoy your addiction and write about it in here where two people read and agree with what you say.

[btomba_77]

Security video of Josh Hawley running away brings a moment of levity to the chamber … but he’s still a fascist.
 
 
 
John Fugelsang: “Josh Hawley is damn lucky that sedition, hatred of Democracy & rank cowardice are all still testing well with the base.”

[kayla.meyer_144]

Re Harleys flight from Capital:
 

A never-before-seen pair of surveillance videos released by the panel which drew hearty laughter from spectators inside the hearing room instantly tore across the internet, with users overlaying various soundtracks, such as the theme songs to the movie Chariots of Fire and The Benny Hill Show, and Kate Bushs Running Up That Hill.

[link=https://twitter.com/RepMaloney/status/1550289467881267202?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1550289467881267202%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2022%2F07%2F21%2Fus%2Fjosh-hawley-video-jan-6.html]https://twitter.com/RepMaloney/status/1550289467881267202?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1550289467881267202%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2022%2F07%2F21%2Fus%2Fjosh-hawley-video-jan-6.html[/link]

Sowing Reaping pic.twitter.com/2TT804jQYe

— Carolyn B. Maloney (@RepMaloney) July 22, 2022

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/24/politics/bender-book-trump-milley-protests/index.html]https://www.cnn.com/2021/…ey-protests/index.html[/link]

“Crack their skulls!

“That’s how you’re supposed to handle these people,” Trump told his top law enforcement and military officials, according to Bender. “Crack their skulls!”

Trump also told his team that he wanted the military to go in and “beat the f–k out” of the civil rights protesters, Bender writes.
“Just shoot them,” Trump said on multiple occasions inside the Oval Office

.

key quote-Shut the …. up, Stephen.

Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, to Stephen Miller at a White House meeting on Black Lives Matter protests and civil unrest.

[/QUOTE]

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/us/politics/trump-insurrection-act-protests.amp.html#click=https://t.co/uDdr7Y8pjJ]https://www.nytimes.com/2…ttps://t.co/uDdr7Y8pjJ[/link]

West Wing aides drafted an Insurrection Act proclamation during the June 1 protests as a break-glass measure if Washington D.C. did not impose measures like a curfew.

Esper and Milley were said to be particularly concerned Trump was going to give an order for active-duty troops. Esper was so alarmed that he tried to communicate the situation to the governors on the post-meeting call, and privately with some of them

Espers public statement against the Insurrection Act intensified Trumps desire to fire him. Aides to Trump said firing a secdef so close to the election could be politically problematic, and it was dropped till after Election Day

Trump was aware the document was drafted. But he claimed in a statement he had never wanted the Insurrection Act, despite what multiple senior officials say.

Barr told Trump that such a move would only increase the protests, which Esper agreed with, during a tense 20-minute meeting before Trump shouted down governors on a call ostensibly about coronavir

[fahma066_701]

Do you do anything else besides post your politics on AM?

[fahma066_701]

Also how do you keep your political thoughts out your evaluation of your residents or fellows? Find it hard to believe you treat a conservative as you would a liberal. Probably the conservative residents won’t say a word to Dr Dergon.

[btomba_77]

Really? You go out of your way to come to OT,  and make no comment except two douchey attack posts? 
 

 
Don’t like the posts, don’t read ’em.  Feel free to put me on block…. like I’m doing to you right now.

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/us/politics/trump-insurrection-act-protests.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…tion-act-protests.html[/link]
 
Trump was particularly mad about having been taken to the White House bunker.
 
 
I know that I enjoyed all of the “bunker boy” taunting. 🙂
 
_________
 
General Milley on Trump desire to invoke Insurrection Act – Points to Lincoln: “That guy had an insurrection,” Milley said. “What we have, Mr. President, is a protest.”

[btomba_77]

Basically, with the Insurrection Act, Trump wanted active-duty US soldiers and cops to beat up Black protestors, but when white protestors beat up cops and stormed the US Capitol, he wanted to watch it on Fox News with some popcorn.

[satyanar]

I wanted to share this quote somewhere in the OT forum. This seems like a decent place.

Richard Rohr: “People think that by defeating the other side, they have achieved some high level of truth. Very sad indeed, but that is as far as the angry or fearful dualistic mind can go…. Here is the normal sequencing of the dualistic mind: it conquers, it competes, it conflicts, it conspires, it condemns, it cancels out any contrary evidence, and then it crucifies with impunity.”

Is there a way we can consider our posting to avoid our dualistic minds and the judgement and suffering that comes with it? Somewhat took a cheap shot at dergon above. Unnecessary. However, a challenge worth considering is how best to respond to that type of engagement? Perhaps no response at all? Perhaps considering if there is anything to learn?

[kayla.meyer_144]

Dualistic minds brushes over the alternate facts & QAnon stories and conspiracies believed by 1 side. This is not a discussion that is merely about different points of view over the same facts. And this is about right wing extremist & belief in authoritarianism over American democracy.

[kayla.meyer_144]

This is about one sides beliefs in invented alternate facts & the fear of loss of influence & power.

[satyanar]

Yes it is. Yes it is.

[satyanar]

Its also about how our thoughts cause us great suffering when we dont know what truth is.

[satyanar]

Frumi can you see how the label 1 side sets up the false enemy? How many of the people in the other side do you actually know? Know their truth? Sadly this has become a war. There are ways we can get back to a discussion. I enjoy sharing thoughts as to how. It surprises me a bit that there has been so little interest bringing this back to a place of honest discussion that dergon remembers.

[Unknown Member]

Here is how it should be

The other side is like what is getting debated know with the infrastructure package

The democrats want this

Republicans want this

Try to find some agreement

Unfortunately in other aspects of politics we have one side making up conspiracy and cultural wars and the other side trying to deal with reality

Who is right?

[satyanar]

Say that is true, and it very well may be. Its horribly frustrating. Are there things to do to improve? I hope so. I do know that doing the same thing over and over in here isnt helping. In fact its just pushing people farther apart. People leave places like this and after getting worked up against the other side and take it into real life.

I honestly believe that here is as good a place to start as any on the road to better government through cooperation.

[btomba_77]

All I know is some a**hole came on here to do nothing more than bad mouth me in consecutive posts.
 
No debate. No counter-point.  Just pure unadulterated douchebaggery.
 
There’s no reasoned debate with that kind person.

[satyanar]

Yes. That was the point I was making. Is there a better way? 
How best to deal with the douchebags? 
 

[Unknown Member]

People can disagree and should be able to honestly debate

But a substantial percentage of the Republican Party honestly believe in conspiracy Q-Anon and unadulterated lies

I personally do not think you can reason with those who cant accept reality

[kayla.meyer_144]

ADHDs argument to everything,

Being right does not matter. Being wrong does not matter.

Thinking creates disagreement & turmoil

ergo

Stop thinking!

Thinking has expectations & expectations cause unhappiness.

There is no right & wrong, believing that only creates conflict.

Happiness is no expectations.

A nutty variant of Buddahism.

[satyanar]

Quote from Frumious

ADHDs argument to everything,

Being right does not matter. Being wrong does not matter.

Thinking creates disagreement & turmoil

ergo

Stop thinking!

Thinking has expectations & expectations cause unhappiness.

There is no right & wrong, believing that only creates conflict.

Happiness is no expectations.

A nutty variant of Buddahism.

 
Thank you for doing your best to describe my “argument” for me. I would hope I can do a better job than you so I will try:
 
Adding the judgment of right/wrong does little to generate cooperation and solutions. It’s just the truth. Ergo nothing.
 
I am not suggesting we don’t “think” as in using reason to come up with ideas and solutions. That type of thought is important.
 
By “losing thoughts” I am talking about letting go of our long held beliefs about others. Thoughts trigger emotion which often leads us to into attack mode. There are many examples of this here.
 
Labels are the first step to assigning sides and tribes.  “nutty Buddhism” is a label. 
 
I will now let go of my thought that Fumi should stop labeling people and telling them what they believe based on his perception.
 
 
 
 

[satyanar]

Quote from Chirorad84

People can disagree and should be able to honestly debate

But a substantial percentage of the Republican Party honestly believe in conspiracy Q-Anon and unadulterated lies

I personally do not think you can reason with those who cant accept reality

OK, “a substantial percentage of the Republican Party honestly believe in conspiracy Q-Anon and unadulterated lies”.
 
This is true. 
 
“I personally do not think you can reason with those who cant accept reality”
 
This is true.
 
Who do you include under the “can’t accept reality” label?

[btomba_77]

Quote from dergon

[link=https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/24/politics/bender-book-trump-milley-protests/index.html]https://www.cnn.com/2021/…ey-protests/index.html[/link]

“Crack their skulls!

“That’s how you’re supposed to handle these people,” Trump told his top law enforcement and military officials, according to Bender. “Crack their skulls!”

Trump also told his team that he wanted the military to go in and “beat the f–k out” of the civil rights protesters, Bender writes.
“Just shoot them,” Trump said on multiple occasions inside the Oval Office

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key quote-Shut the …. up, Stephen.

Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, to Stephen Miller at a White House meeting on Black Lives Matter protests and civil unrest.

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[h1][b]Esper confirms that Trump Wanted to Shoot Protesters[/b][/h1]  
Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper says [link=https://amzn.to/3ku25E2]in a new memoir[/link] that former President Donald Trump said when demonstrators were filling the streets around the White House following the death of George Floyd: Cant you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?, [link=https://www.axios.com/mark-esper-book-trump-protesters-24e93272-2af5-423d-be3b-164daab7b43d.html]Axios[/link] reports.
 

[btomba_77]

Steve Bannon today on Mark Esper ….

Former White House adviser Steve Bannon said on Monday that formerDefense Secretary Mark Esper is guilty of “treason” after he admitted in a new book that he took measures against Donald Trump in the final days of his presidency.

[link]https://www.rawstory.com/steve-bannon-mark-esper/[/link]

[btomba_77]

[b]Mark Milley Feared Trump Would Strike Iran in Order to Stay in Power[/b][/h1]  
[link=https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington/youre-gonna-have-a-fucking-war-mark-milleys-fight-to-stop-trump-from-striking-iran]Susan Glasser[/link]: There were two nightmare scenarios, Milley told associates, for the period after the November 3rd election, which resulted in Trumps defeat but not his concession: one was that Trump would try to use the military on the streets of America to prevent the legitimate, peaceful transfer of power. The other was an external crisis involving Iran. It was not public at the time, but Milley believed that the nation had come closevery closeto conflict with the Islamic Republic.
 
This dangerous post-election period, Milley said, was all because of Trumps Hitler-like embrace of the Big Lie that the election had been stolen from him; Milley feared it was Trumps Reichstag moment, in which, like Adolf Hitler in 1933, he would manufacture a crisis in order to swoop in and rescue the nation from it.

 

[btomba_77]

[h2][link=https://politicalwire.com/2021/07/27/political-violence-is-integral-to-trumps-agenda/]Like Racism, Political Violence Is Now Fundamental to Trumps Agenda[/link][/h2] Teagan Goddard –

{T}he opening testimony by four police officers does clarify Donald Trumps hold on his coalition, including the Republican lawmakers who continue to defend him.
 
Heres how I view it:
 
Not all Trump supporters are racists. But many of them accepted racism as an overall part of the package. They were willing to overlook Trumps racist comments because they approved of him in other ways.
 
Similarly, not all Trump supporters support violence to achieve his political goals. But all of them have to know especially as these hearings get underway that they are supporting someone who is more than willing to incite violence for his own power.
 
That is part of the overall package.[/QUOTE]
 

[btomba_77]

[link=https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/status/1424392052159225857]https://twitter.com/Sykes…us/1424392052159225857[/link]
 
 
When they tell you who they really are.
 
Hugh Hewitt’s back-up host goes on a twitter rant essentially advocating full fascism in the US

[ruszja]

Quote from dergon

[link=https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/status/1424392052159225857]https://twitter.com/Sykes…us/1424392052159225857[/link]

When they tell you who they really are.

Hugh Hewitt’s back-up host goes on a twitter rant essentially advocating full fascism in the US

 
Ah, hyperbole and rhetoric.
 
He is trying to illustrate what the ‘woke left’ is doing by translating it into the ‘right’ equivalent. It just makes the fascist aspects of the intolerant left stand out more if you translate it into right wing fascist terms.

[kayla.meyer_144]

“Both sides.”

[stlmchenry_510]

Im generally a pacifist type, but we need to occupy Cuba and force their countrys independence. It could easily be a democracy with free trade. Its been long enough.

[Unknown Member]

Until you do 30 minutes+ of CPR in a plastic gown, N95, surgical mask, two pairs of gloves and a face shield, you should probably stop complaining about wearing some fabric on your face to the grocery store.

[kayla.meyer_144]

OMG! No wonder Laura Ingraham & Tucker Carlson & their viewers are in such a panic! No wonder Trump was able to get elected. No wonder white supremecists panic is on the rise. These people are losing their minds because their assumed & entitled hegemony is going away to others!
 
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/12/us/2020-census-race-ethnicity.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/12/us/2020-census-race-ethnicity.html[/link]

[kayla.meyer_144]

Our Taliban (GQP) begins their gerrymandering efforts after receiving the results of the census.
 

[clickpenguin_460]

Quote from Frumious

Our Taliban (GQP) begins their gerrymandering efforts after receiving the results of the census.

 
Yeah those morally superior Democrats never gerrymander, do they

[clickpenguin_460]

Oh those morally superior Democrats!
 
[link=https://www.foxnews.com/politics/census-data-new-york-redistricting-democrats-republicans-bloodbath]https://www.foxnews.com/p…-republicans-bloodbath[/link]

[btomba_77]

[link=https://twitter.com/jonkarl/status/1458449358672773127?s=20]https://twitter.com/jonka…58449358672773127?s=20[/link]

Jonathan Karl shares the memo, never before made public, that the Trump Presidential Personnel Office wrote making the case for firing Secretary of Defense Mark Esper. Among Espers perceived sins were that he vowed to be apolitical in running the Pentagon.

Here’s the memo, never before made public, that Johnnie McEntee's Presidential Personnel Office wrote making the case for firing Secretary of Defense Mark Esper. Written on 10/19/20, it’s a remarkable window inside the thinking of the Trump White House. #Betrayal pic.twitter.com/BQneokFmbT

— Jonathan Karl (@jonkarl) November 10, 2021

[btomba_77]

[link=https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/putins-challenge-to-the-american-782?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMTM1MDIsInBvc3RfaWQiOjQ5OTA2MTk1LCJfIjoiRW8rcUciLCJpYXQiOjE2NDcwMzQ4NTcsImV4cCI6MTY0NzAzODQ1NywiaXNzIjoicHViLTYxMzcxIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.z8ta97tVjO1LvMEhidqsxqSWMJwv8skxR7L-g5HSAL0&s=r]Andrew Sullivan[/link]:

[h1]Putin’s Challenge To The American Right[/h1] [h3]An invasion in Europe has exposed the flimsiness of post-liberalism.[/h3]

It would perhaps be too glorious an irony if it were Vladimir Putin who finally buzz-killed the American and European rights infatuation with post-liberalism. But, as Russias invasion of Ukraine staggers shambolically and criminally forward, its no longer unthinkable. The icon of the Wests new right is in serious trouble now and it might tarnish all of those who only yesterday were idolizing his reactionary zeal.

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Putins Russia, like Orbans Hungary, appealed to many post-liberal conservatives in the West for obvious reasons. Part of it was the shamelessness of the strongmens ethnically-homogeneous nationalism, compared with what was seen as the simpering, multicultural globalism of EU types; part was hatred of Obama, who was always deemed weak in contrast with, er, [i]anyone[/i]; and part was a more amorphous but nonetheless profound view of Putin and Orban as cultural traditionalists, standing up to Western decadence, as it staggers into its Drag Queen Story Hour hellscape. For besieged social conservatives and Christianists in America, Putin loomed like some phantasm of strange hope.
 
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Thats why {Putin is}  a useful insight into what [link=https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/04/andrew-sullivan-why-the-reactionary-right-must-be-taken-seriously.html]reactionism[/link] actually is. Its not really a politics; its a mood. Its not really about the problems of the present; its about living in an imagined past, and believing that you alone can restore it by some mystical rhetorical magic. Its [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/10/opinion/putin-russia-ukraine.html]about[/link] subscribing to a worldview that combines Orthodox Christian mysticism, anti-American conspiracy theories and hedonism. And its view of history is long. Putin is attempting to build a civilizational Russian state, which would have no meaning without authoritarianism at home and control of its neighbors culture and politics abroad. He is vowing to Make Russia Great Again.
 
And  wed be dumb not to see this as politically potent domestically. The annexation of Crimea certainly helped Putin and his current ratings, in so far as they have any meaning at all, suggest hes riding a jingoistic wave. But as an actual strategy to deal with reality, it still wont work. You cant [i]force[/i] a country to embrace an invasion; Putin doesnt have the manpower or weapons to keep it under control for very long; and the invasion has cut Russia off from much of the material base from which to finance the war. And events since 1991, when Ukraine emerged from the Soviet empire, have only strengthened Ukrainian nationalism. At this very moment, it is probably more vibrant than at any point in its history, and that includes the Maidan occupation in 2014. Even if Putin does somehow manage, through sheer brutality and determination, to keep military control of Ukraine, it will be a punishing Pyrrhic victory.
…

So heres hoping that Putin fails, and fails badly (but not badly enough to bring the world to the nuclear brink). And heres hoping that the Western right will see in their Putin flirtation a cautionary tale: that post-liberal reactionary politics, abroad and at home, from Putin to Xi to Trump, is full of sound and violence, but is getting nowhere anytime soon.

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[satyanar]

His hopes are already close to coming true. Funny to see the Frumi proof being used in the media.

[satyanar]

Just to be clear. Their hopes are mine as well. I just happen to know its not necessary to hang the whole thing on the America and European right for it to come true.

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.thebulwark.com/the-new-maga-establishment/]Bill Kristol[/link]: There is no Trump fever that is going to break, because Trumpism is now not a fever. It is an entrenched, all-encompassing fact of Republican and conservative life; one that is likely to be with us for quite a while. Trump may personally fade, but Trumpism is here to stay, for the foreseeable future.
 
Which means that authoritarianismwith inflections, or at least overtones, of fascismwill be here for a while, too. With an infrastructure, with a popular base, and with elite enablers. In other words: With its own establishment.
 

[btomba_77]

This is why they use violence: To make good people doing good work to ask themselves why theyd put themselves in a position where theyd have to deal with threats and harassment.

[link=https://twitter.com/reedgalen/status/1539327546986074113]https://twitter.com/reedg…us/1539327546986074113[/link]

[btomba_77]

Laurence Tribe: 
Todays hearing makes clearer than ever how deeply Trump and his acolytes have already damaged democracy at the ground level, driving honest election workers into hiding and creating a vacuum that fascists are in the process of filling. Only a clean sweep can hold back this tide.
 
[link=https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1539353560172969985]https://twitter.com/tribe…us/1539353560172969985[/link]

[satyanar]

They didnt damage democracy. they tried to and failed. It has never been more clear. 
 
This moment in history is a great opportunity. Please dont miss it all of you. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[kaldridgewv2211]

Id like to see the same outcry over people near the justices. Basically Trump decided to turn his whack-a-doodles against the sweetest old lady in Georgia. Great job.

[btomba_77]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

Id like to see the same outcry over people near the justices. Basically Trump decided to turn his whack-a-doodles against the sweetest old lady in Georgia. Great job.

Yep. The FBI should have told Kavanaugh to flee his house because his life was danger like they did to ‘Lady Ruby.’

[btomba_77]

Rick Wilson: Mockery is fascist kryptonite.
 
[link=https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1550446217292910592]https://twitter.com/TheRi…us/1550446217292910592[/link]

[kayla.meyer_144]

Hawlin a$$ soundtracks.
 
[link=https://twitter.com/The_Mal_Gallery/status/1550289866411634689?s=20&t=70k8ct3D4nzr0hnFjP6H4Q]https://twitter.com/The_Mal_Gallery/status/1550289866411634689?s=20&t=70k8ct3D4nzr0hnFjP6H4Q[/link]
 
 

Josh Hawley running away to a variety of soundtracks.

Pt. 1: Chariots of Fire #January6thCommitteeHearing pic.twitter.com/tVCf2R5tUD

— Mallory Nees (@The_Mal_Gallery) July 22, 2022

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.thespec.com/opinion/contributors/2022/07/22/the-nazification-of-american-education.html]The Nazification of American education

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The crisis of education in the United States presents not only a danger to American democracy, but also the ideological and structural foundations blocking the emergence of a fascist state. An unimagined catastrophe characterizes how American education is being shaped by far-right Republican Party politicians. Nowhere is this more evident than in the policies of Florida Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, who is on the forefront of transforming education into a feral propaganda tool for producing what is euphemistically called patriotic education. Coercion, conformity, and toxic forms of religious, political, and economic fundamentalism now threaten to destroy education as a democratic public sphere, however weak it may be. Institutions of learning at all levels in the red-states are becoming laboratories for what I term the Nazification of American education, replicating pedagogies of repression that were at work in Germany in the 1930s.
 
DeSantis has put into place a range of reactionary educational policies. These include banning books and critical race theory, requiring educators sign loyalty oaths, and forcing teachers to post their syllabuss online. He has also instituted legislation that restricts tenure and allows students to film classes without consent, and much more. DeSantis justifies these acts of repression by claiming that Florida schools have become socialism factories and that students at all levels of education should not be subjected to classroom material that would make them uncomfortable, as if the ultimate measure of knowledge and truth is comfort.
 
…

The model of Nazi Germanys educational system has a great deal to teach us about the ideologies that produced a society wedded to the related doctrines of racial purity, the banning of books, the suppression of historical memory, ultranationalism, and the cult of the strongman. Under DeSantis, white supremacy, systemic racism, and the indoctrination of youth have the official power of the state on their side. DeSantis attacks youth considered unworthy (LGBTQ youth), embraces lower academic standards, and subjects faculty to political litmus tests through viewpoint diversity surveys aimed to gather evidence on non-compliant faculty. He also censors books that do not follow his ideological proclivities, forbids teachers to talk about racism, supports textbooks as crucial tools for spreading propaganda to students, and monitors teachers classroom actions.

[/QUOTE]https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1555157122958123010
 

FL civics teachers are speaking out after attending Desantis’s new mandatory 3-day ‘patriotic history’ indoctrination seminars. One example they cited was that students would be told Washington & Jefferson opposed slavery, while omitting the fact that they owned them. pic.twitter.com/2qtdTpJaAF

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) August 4, 2022

[kayla.meyer_144]

[link=https://www.britannica.com/topic/education/Nazi-Germany]https://www.britannica.com/topic/education/Nazi-Germany[/link]

[btomba_77]

[h1]Trump Wanted His Generals to Be Like Hitlers[/h1] [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/08/us/politics/trump-book-mark-milley.html]New York Times[/link]:

Former President Donald Trump told his top White House aide that he wished he had generals like the ones who had reported to Adolf Hitler, saying they were totally loyal to the leader of the Nazi regime, according to a forthcoming book about the 45th president.
 
Said Trump to John Kelly, his chief of staff: Why cant you be like the German generals?
 
This anecdote is from an [link=https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/15/inside-the-war-between-trump-and-his-generals]excerpt[/link] from [link=https://amzn.to/3wb8xX1][i]The Divider: Trump in the White House[/i][/link] by Peter Baker and Susan Glasser. It depicts Trump as deeply frustrated by his top military officials, whom he saw as insufficiently loyal or obedient to him.
 
Interestingly, in the conversation with Kelly, the chief of staff told Trump that Germanys generals had tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off.[/QUOTE]
 

[btomba_77]

General Milley’s resignation letter (never sent):

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZpM1GxXwAAnr0O?format=jpg&name=large[/img]

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZpM1GwX0AIlslc?format=jpg&name=large[/img]

I regret to inform you that I intend to resign as your Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Thank you for the honor of appointing me as senior ranking officer. The events of the last couple weeks have caused me to do deep soul-searching, and I can no longer faithfully support and execute your orders as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. It is my belief that you were doing great and irreparable harm to my country. I believe that you have made a concerted effort over time to politicize the United States military. I thought that I could change that. Ive come to the realization that I cannot, and I need to step aside and let someone else try to do that.
 
Second, you are using the military to create fear in the minds of the peopleand we are trying to protect the American people. I cannot stand idly by and participate in that attack, verbally or otherwise, on the American people. The American people trust their military and they trust us to protect them against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and our military will do just that. We will not turn our back on the American people.
 
Third, I swore an oath to the Constitution of the United States and embodied within that Constitution is the idea that says that all men and women are created equal. All men and women are created equal, no matter who you are, whether you are white or Black, Asian, Indian, no matter the color of your skin, no matter if youre gay, straight or something in between. It doesnt matter if youre Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Jew, or choose not to believe. None of that matters. It doesnt matter what country you came from, what your last name iswhat matters is were Americans. Were all Americans. That under these colors of red, white, and bluethe colors that my parents fought for in World War IImeans something around the world. Its obvious to me that you dont think of those colors the same way I do. Its obvious to me that you dont hold those values dear and the cause that I serve.
 
And lastly it is my deeply held belief that youre ruining the international order, and causing significant damage to our country overseas, that was fought for so hard by the Greatest Generation that they instituted in 1945. Between 1914 and 1945, 150 million people were slaughtered in the conduct of war. They were slaughtered because of tyrannies and dictatorships. That generation, like every generation, has fought against that, has fought against fascism, has fought against Nazism, has fought against extremism. Its now obvious to me that you dont understand that world order. You dont understand what the war was all about. In fact, you subscribe to many of the principles that we fought against. And I cannot be a party to that. It is with deep regret that I hereby submit my letter of resignation.[/QUOTE]

Letter was dated June 8, a week after Lafayette Square
 

[satyanar]

Interesting. I’ve been party to conversations regarding past JCOS and their thoughts about Milley.  They are not fans. The sense I get would be that their opinions would be different if he had sent that letter.

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.thebulwark.com/the-maga-crowd-may-venerate-1776-but-they-idolize-a-would-be-monarch/]Jeffrey Isaac[/link]:

[h1][b]The MAGA Crowd May Venerate 1776 But They Idolize a Would-Be Monarch[/b][/h1] [b]The Patriots of the American Revolution believed no man was above the law. Donald Trumps followers are sure he is.

[/b]

The MAGA adherents who bedeck themselves in the symbols of the Revolution imagine themselves to be zealous patriots, modern-day Sons of Liberty and Minutemen at Lexington and Concord, standing against tyranny. The MAGA fanatic who died in a shootout last week after he attacked the FBI field office in Cincinnati said as much, referring to [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/12/shiffer-trump-truth-social-fan/]patriots[/link] in his postings to Trumps Truth Social website and replying to MAGA superstar Marjorie Taylor Greene that [link=https://www.wonkette.com/tag/right-wing-extremism]the next step is the one we used in 1775[/link].
 
The irony here is that the real-life American revolutionaries were avowed enemies of monarchy, while todays wannabe revolutionaries have as their leader and hero Donald Trump, the most arrogant, monarchical president in U.S. history, a man who truly imagines himself to be beyond the law that applies to everyone else.

…
 
We are a constitutional republic. We are not a democracy, Trumps MAGA partisans [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/15/magazine/arizona-republicans-democracy.html]like to say[/link] ([link=https://www.thebulwark.com/toward-republican-democracy/]exhuming a slogan from the John Birch Society[/link]). It is supposed to explain why they do not care what others say about the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, and why they continue to support their man Trump.
 
But in fact, what they defend is neither a republic nor the Constitution, but a demagogue who has no respect for eitherand who would rule as a king if he could.

[/QUOTE]
 

[btomba_77]

Trump Encourages FBI Agents to Go Nuts and Not Take it Anymore Over Mar-a-Lago Raid –

[link=https://www.mediaite.com/donald-trump/trump-encourages-fbi-agents-to-go-nuts-and-not-take-it-anymore-over-mar-a-lago-raid/]https://www.mediaite.com/…-over-mar-a-lago-raid/[/link]

Though he was careful not to use the word, former President Donald Trump appeared to call for the rank and file of the FBI to revolt against its leadership over the search and seizure of classified documents from his Mar-a-Lago home and possible looming criminal indictment.

MEDIAITE
When are the great Agents, and others, in the FBI going to say we arent going to take it anymore, much as they did when James Comey read off a list of all of Crooked Hillary Clintons crimes, only to say that no reasonable prosecutor would prosecute., Trump said.