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  • 2024 Presidential Debates Republicans to pull out

    Posted by btomba_77 on January 13, 2022 at 2:17 pm

     [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/13/us/politics/republican-presidential-debate-dispute.html?searchResultPosition=1]New York Times[/link] 

    [h1]RNC Signals a Pullout From Presidential Debates[/h1]
    The Republican National Committee is preparing to change its rules to require presidential candidates seeking the partys nomination to sign a pledge to not participate in any debates sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates
     

    btomba_77 replied 11 months ago 9 Members · 60 Replies
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  • satyanar

    Member
    January 13, 2022 at 2:50 pm

    What do the political pontificators have to say? Seems idiotic to me.

    • btomba_77

      Member
      January 13, 2022 at 3:09 pm

      Might be a leverage play because of alleged “bias” to get new formats in their favor
       
      Might be an attempt to pre-shied Trump pre-emptively from looking like a fool again.
       
      Might be that the base just wants nothing to do with the “liberal elites ” on the commission and they see no downside to pulling out
       
       
       
       

      • satyanar

        Member
        January 13, 2022 at 3:23 pm

        All probably true. I’m hoping it all blows up on them.

        • kaldridgewv2211

          Member
          January 13, 2022 at 8:15 pm

          Hold them anyway. Put the dem on national TV coverage for a couple prime time hours. Let the dem candidate make their case.

          • btomba_77

            Member
            January 14, 2022 at 5:03 am

            I mean, I suppose you can have an open debate with just the Dem and some minor candidates.
             
            But that just turns in to “throw haymakers at the Democrat to score points”
             
             
             
            Unless the Dem in that situation had a big  polling deficit to make up, I don’t know why they would participate. All down side, very limited up side.
             
            ____
             
             
            Heard some discussion about the “why” this morning: Leading DDx is the RNC carrying our Trump’s vengeance against the commission who he feels treated him very unfairly.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    January 19, 2022 at 2:21 pm

    [h2][link=https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-does-it-mean-if-republicans-wont-debate/]What Does It Mean If Republicans Wont Debate?[/link][/h2]

    For starters, the RNCs reasons to prohibit participation in the debates are important. And thats because[b] they fall in line with an important strain of Trumpism: [/b][b][link=https://theconversation.com/trump-tapped-into-white-victimhood-leaving-fertile-ground-for-white-supremacists-150587]a claim[/link] to being [link=https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2019/12/18/trump-impeachment-victim-087534]the victims[/link] of [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/13/new-research-shows-connection-between-political-victimhood-white-support-trump/]unfair treatment[/link][/b][b].[/b] To be fair, evidence does show that some important cultural institutions, including the news media, are more likely to be populated by [link=https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2016/10/11/how-conservative-movement-has-undermined-trust-academe-essay]Democrats than Republicans[/link], but conflict between presidential campaigns and debate organizers about the journalists who moderate the debates is hardly one-sided  [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1984/10/08/journalists-deplore-blackballing-of-prospective-debate-panelists/e8be8d01-26c0-4385-a2b2-f628ee619689/]or new[/link]. After all, the purpose of debates is to allow voters to see candidates perform under pressure and to evaluate their responses tension with the campaigns on how to best facilitate this is to be expected. But[b] this move represents the Trumpist Republican Party only further rejecting established institutions and democratic practices.
    [/b]

    [b]The larger stakes of this decision, though, are whether the Republican Party can continue to pull out of institutions that it cant control, without facing much in the way of consequences.[/b] This is especially significant to the [link=https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/forget-norms-our-democracy-depends-on-values/]key democratic values[/link] that are on display in these events. Candidates show their acceptance of legitimate opposition by appearing on stage in a civil exchange with their opponents. For the major two parties, this has generally been a steady feature of debates, even when theyre heated. They also signal their commitment to accountability by submitting to moderators questions, displaying for the voters what they do and dont know, and how well theyre able to perform under pressure. But in this case, the GOP is taking an old, bipartisan tradition of discomfort with that scrutiny to a new level.
     
    We dont know for sure what would change if presidential debates didnt happen. It could be that nothing changes. However, the RNCs latest move shows how much the party is willing to break away from practices that exemplify core democratic values, and from established institutions that used to enjoy bipartisan buy-in and support. For one political party to pull out of presidential debates years in advance signals a further retreat from the basic ideas of democracy.

    [/QUOTE]
     

    • satyanar

      Member
      January 19, 2022 at 4:37 pm

      I sure hope the Dems are able to take advantage of this ridiculous idea. I seriously wonder why something like this bothers anyone.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    April 14, 2022 at 9:29 am

    [h1]RNC to Require Candidates Make Pledge to Debate only if Party Approves[/h1] The Republican National Committee voted Thursday to require GOP presidential candidates to attest in writing that they will only appear at party-sanctioned primary and general election debates, the [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/rnc-to-require-gop-presidential-candidates-to-sign-debate-pledge-11649952540?mod=latest_headlines]Wall Street Journal[/link] reports.

    The move is the latest escalation in a disagreement between the RNC and the Commission on Presidential Debates following grievances leveled by former President Donald Trump and other Republicans about fairness in moderator selections, changes to formats and other conditions.
     

    • satyanar

      Member
      April 14, 2022 at 11:39 am

      Everything I said above I still believe.

      • kaldridgewv2211

        Member
        April 14, 2022 at 5:53 pm

        Have Chris Wallace do them all.

        Im sure Trump wants it to be moderated by OAN.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    August 18, 2022 at 6:35 am

    Smerconish today talking about Liz Cheney running as a Republican.  Echoing Ron Brownstein’s article in the Atlantic.

    Republicans will go to “almost absurd” lengths to prevent Cheney from taking the stage with Donald Trump.

    The easiest way is for the RNC to pass a rule stating that any candidate must sing a pledge to support the eventual nominee in order to be eligible. 

    • Unknown Member

      Deleted User
      August 18, 2022 at 8:50 am

      Yes

      Republicans worst fear

      Cheyney would take trump to task in a debate

      • satyanar

        Member
        August 18, 2022 at 9:20 am

        I want to see it.

    • ruszja

      Member
      August 18, 2022 at 10:48 am

      Quote from dergon

      The easiest way is for the RNC to pass a rule stating that any candidate must sing a pledge to support the eventual nominee in order to be eligible. 

       
      Trump wouldn’t sign that pledge either.

      • kayla.meyer_144

        Member
        August 18, 2022 at 11:46 am

        But the RNC does not care about Trump, refusing to sign such a document, it would only be effective for someone like Cheney.

        • btomba_77

          Member
          February 23, 2023 at 2:24 pm

          [h1][b]First Republican Debate Will Be in Milwaukee, may Require Loyalty Play[/b][/h1]  
          The Republican National Committee will hold its first presidential primary debate in Milwaukee in August, its debates committee decided in a vote on Thursday, the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/23/us/politics/republicans-first-presidential-debate-2023.html]New York Times[/link] reports.
           
          The committee is seeking to have all candidates sign a loyalty pledge vowing to support the eventual nominee in order to be part of the debates.
           

          • kaldridgewv2211

            Member
            February 23, 2023 at 6:53 pm

            Is that a pledge pin on your uniform?

            • btomba_77

              Member
              April 25, 2023 at 11:35 am

              Trump laying the groundwork to pull out of GOP primary debates 

              [link=https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1650906605322485777?s=46&t=8zOFpv_Ps5gOFYrqNXupHQ]https://twitter.com/ronfi…8zOFpv_Ps5gOFYrqNXupHQ[/link]

  • btomba_77

    Member
    April 25, 2023 at 12:42 pm

    [link=https://twitter.com/frankluntz/status/1650944339672207360?s=46&t=8zOFpv_Ps5gOFYrqNXupHQ]https://twitter.com/frank…8zOFpv_Ps5gOFYrqNXupHQ[/link]

    Steve Bannon says any planned GOP primary debates for 2024 are an insult to the president (Trump) and an insult to MAGA full stop, no debates.

    • kaldridgewv2211

      Member
      April 25, 2023 at 1:02 pm

      F It.  Do it without the yellow belly coward.  If someone asks him a question he can be on stage and set the record straight.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    April 26, 2023 at 7:17 am

    [h1]Exchange of the Day[/h1] [link=https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1651203889213915136?s=20]https://twitter.com/atrup…51203889213915136?s=20[/link]
     
    RNC chair Ronna McDaniel on Foz News with  Brian Kilmeade:
     
    McDANIEL: President Trump never shies away from a debate.
    KILMEADE: Yes he does. He skipped ours in 2016.
    McDANIEL: He did. He skipped one.
     

    • btomba_77

      Member
      June 2, 2023 at 3:28 am

      [h1]TV networks battle for Republican debates[/h1] [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.axios.com%2F2023%2F06%2F02%2F2024-republican-debates-networks-desantis-trump]Axios[/link]: CNN boss Chris Licht has told the RNC that CNN would air the debate not just on its linear feed, but also potentially on the linear networks of other Warner Bros. Discovery channels, two sources told Axios. By including those channels, Licht has argued, CNN could reach more conservatives than Fox, as well as independent voters.

      Licht also has offered to partner with a conservative-leaning outlet on the debates. That partnership, two sources told Axios, could include giving a journalist from the partner outlet a co-moderator spot.
       

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 2, 2023 at 1:05 pm

    [link=https://twitter.com/mattsmith_news/status/1664701965488599040]https://twitter.com/matts…us/1664701965488599040[/link]

    RNC debate eligibility criteria out

    among others… must poll at 1%, must have 40k unique donors, must sign a pledge to support GOP nominee

    • btomba_77

      Member
      June 6, 2023 at 9:23 am

      [b]Who Would Make the GOP Debate Stage?[/b][/h1]  
       
      [link=https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republican-debate-criteria-2024-primary/]FiveThirtyEight[/link] finds six candidates at 1 percent or higher in their national polling average: Donald Trump, Ron DeSantis, Mike Pence, Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy and Tim Scott.
       
      Though the polls taken up until this point wont count toward debate qualification, these candidates seemingly have good shots at being at 1 percent in July and August surveys. And they can probably attract or already have sufficient donors, as even the lesser-known Ramaswamy recently announced he had met the donor threshold.

       

      • btomba_77

        Member
        June 18, 2023 at 12:35 pm

        [h1]Christie Says GOP Debate Pledge Is Useless, Implies he will sign it and ignore it if Trump the Nominee[/h1]  
        Chris Christie said Sunday it was a useless idea to force 2024 GOP contenders to sign a pledge to back the partys ultimate nominee in order to participate in primary debates, [link=https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/18/politics/chris-christie-republican-2024-debate-pledge/index.html]CNN[/link] reports.
         
        Said Christie: Its only in the era of Donald Trump that you need somebody to sign something on a pledge. So I think its a bad idea.
         
        But he affirmed that he would do what was needed to be up on the stage to try to save my party and save my country from going down the road of being led by three-time loser Donald Trump….ll take the pledge in 2024 just as seriously as Donald Trump took it in 2016.”
         

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 22, 2023 at 11:37 am

    [h1][b]Biden Ready to Center 2024 Campaign Around Abortion[/b][/h1]  
     
    President Joe Biden has never hidden the fact that his Catholic roots can make it difficult to be a politician in favor of abortion rights. In fact, he still rarely uses the word abortion at all, [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/22/biden-abortion-2024-campaign-reelection-00103158]Politico[/link] reports.
     
    But as the 2024 election comes into focus, Biden is poised to run the most overtly abortion rights platform of any general election candidate in political history as he and his team navigate the first presidential cycle in the post-Roe era.
     

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 23, 2023 at 4:52 am

    [h1][b]Christie Baits Trump on Debates[/b][/h1]  
    Republican presidential candidate Chris Christie on Thursday said former President Trump cant avoid the GOP presidential debates as he runs for the White House in 2024, [link=https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4062572-christie-pushes-trump-republican-primary-debate/]The Hill[/link] reports.
     
    Said Christie: Trump says he doesnt think its fair for him to have to debate. Crybabies and losers say life isnt fair. And Trump is both. Want to be President? Then get in the ring pal
     

    • kaldridgewv2211

      Member
      June 23, 2023 at 5:19 am

      I actually think that works. Call him out. Let the ego take over.

      • satyanar

        Member
        June 23, 2023 at 6:50 am

        I told you this would be fun. Who doesnt like a bully being challenged to fight?

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 23, 2023 at 12:29 pm

    Im not going to lie to the American people in order to get access to a microphone. 

    ~ Will Hurd, on his refusal to sign the RNC pledge to support Donald Trump (if he is the GOP nominee) as a prerequisite to debate participation.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 27, 2023 at 3:59 am

    [b]Fox News Scrambles to Get Trump on the Debate Stage[/b][/h1]  
    [link=https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/fox-news-donald-trump-debate-murdoch-desantis]Vanity Fair[/link]: With eight weeks until Fox News hosts the first Republican presidential primary debate in Milwaukee, executives at the Rupert Murdochowned network are scrambling to convince front-runner Donald Trump to reverse his threat to boycott the event.
     
    Said one top GOP operative: Fox is trying to get Trump to say yes. Theyre offering him the world to show they can be trusted.
     
    So far, though, Trump seems to be sticking to his suggestion that he will skip the debate.

     

  • btomba_77

    Member
    July 7, 2023 at 5:08 am

    [h1]First GOP Debate Could be a Bust[/h1]  
    [link=https://apnews.com/article/election-2024-republican-presidential-debate-1e4d65a395f83ac078139d14e41d4b63]Associated Press[/link]: Some candidates, like former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, are struggling to meet fundraising and polling requirements to make it on stage. He and others are pushing back on a loyalty pledge the Republican Party is insisting candidates sign to participate. And the races frontrunner, former President Donald Trump, is considering boycotting and holding a competing event instead.
     
    Thats turning what is typically the highly anticipated opener of the election season into a source of uncertainty for the candidates and broader party. The frustration is particularly acute for candidates who hoped to use the forum as a powerful opportunity to confront Trump and try to blunt his momentum.
     

  • btomba_77

    Member
    July 8, 2023 at 8:57 am

    [b]Haley and Ramaswamy Qualify for GOP Debates[/b][/h1]  
     
    Vivek Ramaswamy and Nikki Haley have reached a critical fundraising threshold to qualify for GOP presidential primary debates well into the fall, [link=https://www.axios.com/2023/07/08/gop-debates-donors-rnc-haley-ramaswamy]Axios[/link] reports.
     
    For candidates who are not former President Trump or Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, the debates are a crucial marker and opportunity to propel themselves further along in the race and expand their fundraising.

     

  • btomba_77

    Member
    July 10, 2023 at 3:09 pm

    [h1][b]Doug Bergum PayingPeople to Donate to His Campaign[/b][/h1]  
    North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum (R) [link=https://www.fwiw.news/p/doug-burgum-is-paying-people-to-donate]appears to be paying people[/link] $20 in gift cards to donate as little as $1 to his presidential campaign

    (trying to make the 40,000 individual donor cut off for the debate stage)
     

    • btomba_77

      Member
      July 13, 2023 at 3:18 am

      [link=https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1679285663189938176?s=20]https://twitter.com/Acyn/…79285663189938176?s=20[/link]

      Christie: Last night we went past 40k unique donors that means Im going to be on the debate stage on August 23rd

      • kaldridgewv2211

        Member
        July 13, 2023 at 9:27 am

        I’d like to see it.  He’s pretty decent at the debate stage.  Looking forward to seeing some zingers.

        • btomba_77

          Member
          August 7, 2023 at 4:14 pm

          Fox News Channel anchors [link=https://twitter.com/BretBaier]Bret Baier[/link] and M[link=https://twitter.com/marthamaccallum]artha Maccallum[/link] will co-moderate the first Republican presidential primary debate of the 2024 election on August 23rd starting at 9PM ET.

          • satyanar

            Member
            August 7, 2023 at 4:56 pm

            This should be a real hoot.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    August 8, 2023 at 4:44 am

    Former Vice President Mike Pence has met the requirements to qualify for the first Republican presidential nomination debate, [link=https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pence-announces-hes-reached-donor-threshold-qualify-first-republican-presidential-debate]Fox News[/link] reports.

    • kaldridgewv2211

      Member
      August 8, 2023 at 7:52 am

      Welcome to the stage former VP Mike Pence of the hang Mike Pence fame.

      • btomba_77

        Member
        August 17, 2023 at 9:11 am

        AKA “playing for second place”

        [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/17/us/politics/desantis-debate-strategy.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes]https://www.nytimes.com/2…ur&smid=tw-nytimes[/link]

        [b]Defend Trump and Hammer Ramaswamy: DeSantis Allies Reveal Debate Strategy[/b]
         
         
        [b] [/b] Hundreds of pages of blunt advice, memos and internal polling were posted online by the main super PAC backing the Florida governor, offering an extraordinary glimpse into his operations thinking.

        The main super PAC backing Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, Never Back Down, has effectively taken over his presidential campaign. Super PACs are barred by law from strategizing in private with campaigns, so they sometimes post documents in the open. Credit…Jordan Gale for The New York Times

         
        Ron DeSantis needs to take a sledgehammer to Vivek Ramaswamy, the political newcomer who is rising in the polls. He should defend Donald Trump when Chris Christie inevitably attacks the former president. And he needs to attack Joe Biden and the media no less than three to five times.
         
        A firm associated with the super PAC that has effectively taken over Mr. DeSantiss presidential campaign [link=https://axiomstrategies.com/news/]posted online[/link] hundreds of pages of blunt advice, research memos and internal polling in early nominating states to guide the Florida governor ahead of the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/elections/republican-debate-qualifications.html]high-stakes Republican presidential debate[/link] next Wednesday in Milwaukee.[/QUOTE]
         

        • alyaa.rifaie_129

          Member
          August 17, 2023 at 9:44 am

          Vivek Ramaswamy video w him talking to LGBTQ advocate gone viral. Demonstrates a respectful polite exchange w/o him sugar coating it for a vote. No wonder he is rising quickly in polls. Video gives him a lot of cred as a potential candidate. 

          • btomba_77

            Member
            August 17, 2023 at 10:06 am

            Quote from Ixrayu

            Vivek Ramaswamy video w him talking to LGBTQ advocate gone viral. Demonstrates a respectful polite exchange w/o him sugar coating it for a vote. No wonder he is rising quickly in polls. Video gives him a lot of cred as a potential candidate. 

            Ramaswamy is very smart. He is very quick on his feet. He is very good in verbal exchanges. He can speak in a lot of detail about just about every issue in a way that seems like they are just extemporaneous remark.
             
             
            I’ve noted in other threads …. he’s the GOP’s Pete Buttigieg.
             
             

            • satyanar

              Member
              August 17, 2023 at 11:06 am

              Quote from dergon

              I’ve noted in other threads …. he’s the GOP’s Pete Buttigieg.

               
              It’s a decent analogy on style and presentation. However, Mayor Pete does not have particularly abhorrent policy positions the way Rama does. 

              • btomba_77

                Member
                August 17, 2023 at 11:07 am

                Quote from Thread Enhancer

                Quote from dergon

                I’ve noted in other threads …. he’s the GOP’s Pete Buttigieg.

                It’s a decent analogy on style and presentation. However, Mayor Pete does not have particularly abhorrent policy positions the way Rama does. 

                Correct.
                 
                Maybe we should call him “Pete Buttigieg’s evil twin”
                 
                 

                • kaldridgewv2211

                  Member
                  August 17, 2023 at 12:17 pm

                  Mayor Pete can’t spit fire on the stage.
                   
                  [link=https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5081268/vivek-ramaswamy-raps-eminems-lose-yourself]https://www.c-span.org/vi…-eminems-lose-yourself[/link]

                  • btomba_77

                    Member
                    August 21, 2023 at 11:59 am

                    [link]https://youtu.be/sGCTNoOzRTM[/link]

                    Rick Wilson on the meaningless Trump-less first GOP debate

                    “Sound and fury signifying nothing”

    • smfst7_929

      Member
      August 24, 2023 at 8:53 pm

      Dems are corrupt, authoritarian and running this country into the ground. Identity politics is making this country worse. I say this as a minority.

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