[btomba_77]

[b]Chase Says Chauvin Verdict Made Her Sick[/b][/h1]  
 
Virginia state Sen. Amanda Chase (R), a prominent candidate for governor, said that the guilty verdict against former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin this week made her sick and that jurors didnt acquit because they feared a violent backlash, the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/chase-virginia-chauvin-verdict/2021/04/21/0720ae08-a2b5-11eb-a774-7b47ceb36ee8_story.html]Washington Post[/link] reports.

 

[clickpenguin_460]

Quote from dergon

[b]Chase Says Chauvin Verdict Made Her Sick[/b]  

Virginia state Sen. Amanda Chase (R), a prominent candidate for governor, said that the guilty verdict against former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin this week made her sick and that jurors didnt acquit because they feared a violent backlash, the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/chase-virginia-chauvin-verdict/2021/04/21/0720ae08-a2b5-11eb-a774-7b47ceb36ee8_story.html]Washington Post[/link] reports.

 
:/
 
I hate when people comment on jury decisions when they weren’t part of the trial.  

[btomba_77]

Right. Because the key point in order to make this a samesamewhatabout story is the fact that a comment was made, not the content.  [image]https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/image]

[kaldridgewv2211]

Is there any polling between GOP and Dems as to how they found the verdict.  I’d like to think most rational people would’ve been fine with that verdict.  Including her potential voters.

[btomba_77]

[b]Bill Kristol Endorses Terry McAuliffe[/b][/h1]  
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/kristol-endorse-mcauliffe-virginia-governor/2021/08/23/c142c500-042b-11ec-8c3f-3526f81b233b_story.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=wp_local-virginia-politics]Washington Post[/link]: Bill Kristol is just like all the other disaffected Virginia Republicans whom gubernatorial candidate Glenn Youngkin needs to win over, only famous.
 
On Tuesday, he will formally endorse Democrat Terry McAuliffe, a former governor seeking a comeback.
 
Said Kristol: Hes a moderate Democrat, and hes not going to shut down Virginias business success, economic success and so forth. Hes the kind of Democrat Im comfortable supporting.

 

[clickpenguin_460]

Who?

[btomba_77]

[b]Poll shows McAuliffe with Lead for Virginia Governor[/b][/h1]  
A new [link=https://cnu.edu/wasoncenter/surveys/archive/2021-08-26.html]Wason Center poll[/link] in Virginia finds Terry McAuliffe (D) leading Glenn Youngkin (R) in the race for governor, 50% to 41%.

 

[btomba_77]

another poll showing McCauliffe in front –
 
A new [link=https://messagebox.substack.com/p/new-poll-what-virginia-tells-us-about?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMTM1MDIsInBvc3RfaWQiOjQwNDM1OTQ1LCJfIjoiWFhadSsiLCJpYXQiOjE2Mjk5ODcyNjQsImV4cCI6MTYyOTk5MDg2NCwiaXNzIjoicHViLTY1MDI2Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.n5fLSfNcrvkxwoXPRlngi-Bi15QNIYiNLTs4TxFcmNE]Change Research poll[/link] in Virginia finds Terry McAuliffe (D) leading Glenn Youngkim (R) in the race for governor, 49% to 43%.
 
McAuliffe leads by large margins on nearly every issue tested; and on the issue most important to voters getting COVID-19 under control nearly 60% of likely voters agree with McAuliffes positions on vaccine and mask mandates.
 

[btomba_77]

[h1]Virginia GOP Sues to Force McAuliffe Off Ballot[/h1]  
 [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/virginia-governor-mcauliffe-signature-lawsuit/2021/08/26/6318e82e-06a6-11ec-8c3f-3526f81b233b_story.html]Washington Post[/link]

The Republican Party of Virginia filed a lawsuit Thursday seeking to remove Democrat Terry McAuliffe from the ballot for governor because his[b] [/b]signature is missing from a candidate form he submitted to the state in March.
 
Republicans touted the lawsuit on social media, but a similar suit against McAuliffe argued last week by a pair of Virginia voters failed to persuade a Richmond judge to halt the printing of ballots for the November election.
 
The state GOP filed its suit in Richmond Circuit Court against the state Department of Elections, the Board of Elections and several elections officials, citing McAuliffes Declaration of Candidacy form, on which the space for McAuliffes signature is blank.
 
Elsewhere on the form, two Democratic operatives signed as witnesses, which the GOP says is a violation because of the missing McAuliffe signature. The form was submitted on March 8 as McAuliffe entered the Democratic primary, which he won three months later.
 

[btomba_77]

McAuliffe Holds Edge In Virginia[/h1]  
 
A new [link=https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_VA_083121/]Monmouth poll[/link] in Virginia finds Terry McAuliffe (D) leading Glenn Youngkin (R) in the race for governor, 47% to 42%.
 
A range of potential electorate scenarios show McAuliffe with a lead ranging from 2 points to 7 points depending on the model. Youngkin does better when more low-propensity voters are included in the mix.
 
Specifically, McAuliffe has a fairly comfortable lead among voters who have cast ballots in every general election since 2016 (52% to 41%) while those who voted in only 2 or 3 elections during that time are evenly split (42% for Youngkin and 41% for McAuliffe).
 
A new [link=https://thetrafalgargroup.org/VA-21Gen-Gov-Aug-Poll-Report.pdf]Trafalgar Group (R) poll[/link] shows McAuliffe ahead 47% to 46%.

 

[btomba_77]

[b]Virginia Governors Race Is Now a Toss Up[/b][/h1]  
 
 
[link=https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/governors/virginia-governor/national-environment-sours-democrats-virginia-governor-moves]Cook Political Report[/link]: We can no longer say this is a contest where the Democrat has the advantage. While many of the fundamentals favor McAuliffe and we expect he still has a slight edge its Youngkin who seems to have the enthusiasm on his side. That could change before November 2, much as it did in California in the closing weeks of the race.
 
But Youngkin is far more difficult to make into a boogeyman than replacement frontrunner Larry Elder was, whose gaffes and comments were golden gifts for Gov. Gavin Newsom. Hes far more Bob McDonnell than Ken Cuccinelli, but Democrats hope hell be more of an Ed Gillespie ultimately a more establishment-type Republican who was forced into more conservative positions and tied to Trump as his undoing.
 
This is why while we may put a pinkie on the scale for McAuliffe and its far easier for Democrats in a state like Virginia to get the final few points they need than Republicans the race is nonetheless close enough in our range to shift its rating. For now, Virginia Governor moves from Lean Democrat to Toss Up.

 

[btomba_77]

Youngkin calls for audit in Virginia

[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig…es-in-virginia]https://thehill.com/homen…mpaig…es-in-virginia[/link]”I think we need to make sure that people trust these voting machines,” Youngkin said during a virtual forum with the Richmond Crusade for Voters.

“And I just think, like, I grew up in a world where you have an audit every year, in businesses you have an audit. So let’s just audit the voting machines, publish it so everybody can see it,” he said.

[ruszja]

Quote from dergon

Youngkin calls for audit in Virginia

That’s his ‘4 seasons’ moment. The inflection point when things go off the cliff.

[btomba_77]

Quote from fw

Quote from dergon

Youngkin calls for audit in Virginia

That’s his ‘4 seasons’ moment. The inflection point when things go off the cliff.

It certainly does seem to lean in to the McAuliffe campaign strategy of tying Younkin to Trump.
 
Guy already won the primary … 

[btomba_77]

[link=https://twitter.com/LarrySabato/status/1446077189913550854]https://twitter.com/Larry…us/1446077189913550854[/link]
 
The Donald Trump stamp of approval for the Youngkin fraudit of Virginia votes.

[btomba_77]

[b]Glenn Youngkins Trump Dilemma[/b][/h1]  [link=https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-richmond-misinformation-virginia-6b3632967a7ef2a26c2a6def1699a4fd]AP[/link]-
 
 
Glenn Youngkins (R) murky answers on Donald Trumps false election claims underscore his dilemma.”
 
 
False claims and misinformation about the results are so widely believed by Republican voters that disputing the lies can be politically risky. For months, while running for his partys nomination, Youngkin declined to say whether Biden was legitimately elected.
 
Now, in a general election, vying for votes in a tight race in left-leaning Virginia, Youngkin has tried to resist being branded as an election denier or letting Democrats tie him to Trumps false claims.
 

 

[btomba_77]

Younking will avoid Trump’s rally for him.

[link=https://www.mediaite.com/politics/youngkin-reportedly-will-not-be-engaged-in-trumps-tele-rally-for-the-virginia-gov-candidate/]https://www.mediaite.com/politics/youngkin-reportedly-will-not-be-engaged-in-trumps-tele-rally-for-the-virginia-gov-candidate/[/link]

Regardless, Trump will claim credit for the victory if Younkin wins (which he now has a very good chance of doing) and will use this to throw him under the bus and threaten other candidates if Younkin loses.

[satyanar]

I’m going to move my participation over here. I felt dirty posting what I just did in the COVID thread, sorry politics thread. 😉
 
All the Dems need to do to win is look moderate the way Biden promised he would be.
 
All the Republicans need to do is convince voters that their opponents are “liberal and progressive” while avoiding the Trump connection.
 
There is a large moderate center that is just waiting to be listened to. At some point candidates will figure it out, or maybe not…
 
I’m going to edit this because it’s the parties that need to figure it out. With a two party system in place the candidates stand no chance on their own.

[ruszja]

‘vote early, vote often.’

[btomba_77]

Im not particularly interested in the VA outcome except as a harbinger of the 2022 midterms.

Younkin is a lot closer to Mitt Romney than he is to Donald Trump. And given that VA only gets one term no matter what, I do t expect him to govern very Trumpily

Regardless of outcome, its margins that matter. A race within 1 point or so either way probably foretells a coming wave election

[satyanar]

Quote from dergon

Im not particularly interested in the VA outcome except as a harbinger of the 2022 midterms.

 
Which is why I chose this thread to continue with my energized moderate independent approach. It’s all either party needs to win.

[satyanar]

The biggest favor Biden could given his party for the midterms is to act like the moderate he said he would be, not try to placate the progressives. It amazes me how few Dems recognize this. Try a little “political pragmatism”

[satyanar]

Sorry dergon. I guess its bad news for the Dems. 

[ruszja]

Youngkin won.

I don’t think it means much beyond VA. He ran a good campaign that addressed issues people care about while the other side was still stuck on ‘orange man bad’.

[btomba_77]

Don’t want to over-rely on one election.
 
But with the solid Younkin win and blue NJ too close to call I think it absolutely says that the Democrats are looking at a 2010/2018 type of wave election.
 
 
Things can change, but that’s the present course.
 
(Ps — If I was a Republican I would be screaming from the rafters  “Look! This is how we win the suburbs! Not with Trump/Trumpism!”
 
Younking ran a traditional Republican campaign and independent voters rewarded him for it.
 
I would also be thinking about whether to consider him for 2024 Presidential … see if he can take that show on the road)

[kaldridgewv2211]

He killed it with non-college white women.

[satyanar]

Quote from dergon

(Ps — If I was a Republican I would be screaming from the rafters  “Look! This is how we win the suburbs! Not with Trump/Trumpism!”

Younking ran a traditional Republican campaign and [b]independent voters rewarded him for it.[/b]

Just what I have been saying. Can the Dems learn by observation?

[kayla.meyer_144]

Curious, what is the turnout in Virginia? NJ apparently had one of the lowest turnouts for Governor race in a century. What a surprise.
 
Heard Gov Christie Whitman this morning about NJ politics. She said that while NJ’s voters are far and away Democratic, they do not turnout while the minority Republican voters do. They turn out because of their fears about nonsense like CRT, as if.
 
[link=https://www.nj.com/news/2021/11/turnout-for-nj-governors-race-may-be-one-of-the-lowest-in-a-century.html]https://www.nj.com/news/2…west-in-a-century.html[/link]
 
 
 

[btomba_77]

VA was high … higher than 2017 and 2013
 
 

[kaldridgewv2211]

Why vote when you can Gym, Tan, Laundry.

[satyanar]

Quote from fw

Youngkin won.

I don’t think it means much beyond VA. He ran a good campaign that addressed issues people care about while the other side was still stuck on ‘orange man bad’.

 
That would be my take. For some reason dergon and the political pseudo scientists see more there.

[adrianoal]

Quote from Thread Killer

Quote from fw

Youngkin won.

I don’t think it means much beyond VA. He ran a good campaign that addressed issues people care about while the other side was still stuck on ‘orange man bad’.

That would be my take. For some reason dergon and the political pseudo scientists see more there.

 
Oh I think there’s quite a bit more there. It was far from just the VA gov race.
 
First, both parties have tricky coalitions they have to both hold together and excite/motivate to increase turnout. Not easy for either party. Worst case for either party in a presidential election is a Perot/Nader-esque challenger who pulls away progressives/Trumpsters and destroys their chances.
 
But second, there are still independents/swing voters. Trump turned them (us) off, but so has Biden, and so did the public school issues. Immigration is still a minefield.
 
There are smart people on both sides, there will be a near-infinite # of focus groups, etc. The D’s ran 1 cycle too long on “we’re not Trump”; they will adjust. Maybe R’s found a sliver of daylight towards a way to keep the Trumpians without losing the suburbs. But neither party has an easy task.
 
More broadly, we want a European style safety net (I do too) but no one could survive advocating European style taxes (read: VAT and other increases on middle class, which I also support b/c it’s the only way). I think the D approach is “let’s just put the safety net in and then people will love it so much we’ll deal with paying for it later.” Maybe that’s the only way. Fixing health care is obviously not happening any time soon. We’ve woken up to the threat from China, which seems to be a worse global actor all the time. Not to mention climate change, which we are in danger of kicking down the road until the cost punches us in the mouth.

[adrianoal]

Theres no way to sugarcoat this: This was a shellacking on a thumping, former Representative Steve Israel of New York, a former chair of the House Democratic campaign arm, said of Tuesdays results for Democrats across the country.
 
Not a VA issue. This was nation wide. 
 
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/03/nyregion/republican-election-results-new-york.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…-results-new-york.html[/link]

[satyanar]

Good analysis BHE. I am hoping you are right. Its the point I have been making all along. Come to the middle. Avoid extremes
and you will do well.

That is the more there

[Unknown Member]

Oh my God! OMG. I am just sooo triggered at these election results.  How the hell did a Repugnant-can/Trumpian cult-of-personality party member win in our blue state?! Its a victory solely for the torch-bearers and torturers.
 
I fear what comes next. That fiend Gov. elect Youngkin is going to allow AP high school classes to be taught again! He’s going to protect funding for the police. Our treaurered newly transplanted immigrants might have their stipends reduced and prevented from their right to automatic acceptance into UVa.
 
Youngkin is going to continue to subsidize that Monticello planation of that cancelled slave-owner and his worthless document of “freedom”.  Im telling you guys…Youngkin fiend is going to resurrect the statue of Gen. Lee in Richmond-no doubt!
 
Its it obvious from the picture below who the mature-minded and just Democrat is–please tell me if you have a second of doubt!
 
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[kayla.meyer_144]

Who rolled your rock over letting you out?

[Unknown Member]

Settle down sistah. I know you are angry. Next election cycle sistah Karmala Harris needs to get out there more so get those democrats elected. She so valuable to the future of our party. 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from BHE

I think the D approach is “let’s just put the safety net in and then people will love it so much we’ll deal with paying for it later.” 

Actually the Dems have proposed ways to pay for it but it does mean raising taxes on someone, in this case it was the billionaires and other 1% and corporations who’ve gained so much. But none of that was acceptable to the Democrat “moderates,” specifically Sinema and Manchin which then provided Manchin with the excuse that the infrastructure plans only pay for themselves with “gimmicks.” The fact that he forced gimmicks is somehow not in his memory or realization.
 
An example of the boy who murdered parents & then complains he deserves sympathy because he is an orphan.
 
 

[satyanar]

It all requires raising taxes on “someone” and they will. Thankfully there are enough in their right mind to keep the price tag reasonably affordable. 3 trillion on top of the COVID trillions would have been excessive.

[btomba_77]

Quote from BHE

Oh I think there’s quite a bit more there. It was far from just the VA gov race.

First, both parties have tricky coalitions they have to both hold together and excite/motivate to increase turnout. Not easy for either party. Worst case for either party in a presidential election is a Perot/Nader-esque challenger who pulls away progressives/Trumpsters and destroys their chances.

But second, there are still independents/swing voters. Trump turned them (us) off, but so has Biden, and so did the public school issues. Immigration is still a minefield.

There are smart people on both sides, there will be a near-infinite # of focus groups, etc. The D’s ran 1 cycle too long on “we’re not Trump”; they will adjust. Maybe R’s found a sliver of daylight towards a way to keep the Trumpians without losing the suburbs. But neither party has an easy task.

More broadly, we want a European style safety net (I do too) but no one could survive advocating European style taxes (read: VAT and other increases on middle class, which I also support b/c it’s the only way). I think the D approach is “let’s just put the safety net in and then people will love it so much we’ll deal with paying for it later.” Maybe that’s the only way. Fixing health care is obviously not happening any time soon. We’ve woken up to the threat from China, which seems to be a worse global actor all the time. Not to mention climate change, which we are in danger of kicking down the road until the cost punches us in the mouth.

 
Yeah, good take.
 
Dems have to fix their issue with schools / CRT
 
“You’re too racist and dumb to realize that critical race theory isn’t what you think it is” doesn’t seem like it persuaded a lot of voters 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Democratic messaging is definitely a problem but how do you fight misinformation and disinformation being spread by right-wing media? We have years of misinformation and disinformation believed by Republicans from masking doesn’t work and the vaccine is more dangerous than the virus and COVID is a plandemic to control the populace to CRT being taught in Nursery Schools and “they,” the jack-booted government agents are coming to your house to confiscate your guns at 2AM to Black Helicoptors and military exercises as pre-cursor to imposing national martial law. Now it’s CRT. When will Anne Frank’s book be banned because it makes people feel bad? “Beloved” has created a stir – why oh why can’t we have books about slavery that don’t make people feel bad and guilty???
 
You’d think these parents are not only susceptible to conspiracies but actually prefer to believe in conspiracies over boring and non-event reality.
 
In the 1980’s and 1990’s there was the national conspiracy of Satanists in day care centers teaching children satanic rituals including child murder. Nothing has changed except the particular script.

A pessimistic bit of news about believing these people as susceptible and credulous, decades later, these people who believed Satan was present in their day care still believe it all happened.
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Democrats have to learn to not provide sound clips that can be weaponized against them such as McAuliffe’s quote about parents not controlling the curriculum. They have to know that statements will be taken out of context and propagandized and that their listeners will not look for meaning other than what is fed them by right-wing media. 
 
By the same token, Democratic voters have to stop sitting on their arses and get out and vote.
 
 

[Unknown Member]

I’m very shaken by the VA election. If it indicates a wave, they can undo all the progress we have made in the last year. Goodbye common sense covid mandates and gun control. 

[adrianoal]

Quote from Skripnik

I’m very shaken by the VA election. If it indicates a wave, they can undo all the progress we have made in the last year. Goodbye common sense covid mandates and gun control. 

 
Not sure there’s been a lot of progress (other than DJT being removed from office)– we can’t even get rid of ghost guns, or strengthen background checks, so where is meaningful gun control coming from? 
 
I read recently, in a discussion about social media, that what they’ve found best drives engagement are (1) fear and (2) outrage. I suspect that’s true, and it has deeply infected our politics.  
 
Decent article (link below) ~ about these issues in NY Times today. Outrage feels good. Looking down on those you don’t agree with feels good. But IMO it has gotten out of hand and is now hurting Democrats.
 
Regarding voters without a college degree (not incidentally, a majority of the electorate per this article):
 
“If Democrats are going to win more of these voters, they will probably need to listen to them and make some changes, rather than telling them that theyre irrational for voting Republican.”
 
I’m sure Republican strategists LOVE hearing the political left insult and talk down to working class voters. 
 
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/briefing/democrats-election-working-class-voters.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…king-class-voters.html[/link]

[satyanar]

Quote from BHE

“If Democrats are going to win more of these voters, they will probably need to listen to them and make some changes, rather than telling them that theyre irrational for voting Republican.”

 

 
As usual BHE you have a level headed approach.
 
It’s not just the voters likely to vote Republican. Heck some of them are irrational.
 
The Dems really need to learn how to talk to and energize moderate independents. They hold the key.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from Thread Killer

The Dems really need to learn how to talk to and energize moderate independents. They hold the key.

One has to wonder exactly what these “moderate independents” want before anyone can figure out how to “energize” them. 

[Unknown Member]

I heard some comedian have the very nerve to say the following on a broadcast airway:  [b]That democrats take all your money and your kids, and then call you a racist for not voting for them.  [/b]
 
That is outrageous someone is allowed to say that, let alone think it.  Its heresy. Mentally cleanse it now! Who (Fox?, Babylon Bee, Chappelle?) or what (Dont even say the bill of–white male landholdersrights) gives them the permission to joke about it. These people need to get cancelled now before any more satire is made about these solemn sins.
 
We need to get our lib mojo back people. We need to really get a bearing on all the restroom habits of Sens. Sinema and Manchin so we can really back them into a corner.
 
We need to get back to tearing down statues. The maps of where all remaining white male statues in public spaces need to be disseminated. Then we will make a Pokemon-Go type app to get us all involved. Also, any battlefield of confederacy victories needs to be disinvested from and taken-over -from Manassas, Fredericksburg to any and all Saturday night rumbles with just a road-side placard. All need to be mapped and soiled, now!
 
Terry McAuliffe is such a glib and strong candidate-a great man. He is like the son Bill Clinton never had!! He needs to get back to power to control those parents trying to destroy the public schools with their yelling and fussing at those esteemed board members trying to make a difference in creating the appropriate believing youth. I beg your pardon Karen, but you will sit down or have the Dept of homeland security take you to a black site!
 

[Unknown Member]

I’m picking up your sarcasm. I don’t appreciate it, but I’m picking it up. 

[Unknown Member]

Since you are a such a betting man

Whats the over under in number of days before you get banned again?

Not that youd ever pay up

[Unknown Member]

Me? Oh I don’t gamble.

[Unknown Member]

Yeah

Considering your history

I would probably quit betting too

[Unknown Member]

I dunno what this betting thing is. I must be missing the joke.

[ruszja]

Dear Democrats,
 
If this is the message you got out of the beating you took on tuesday, aah, I dont know what to say:
 
[link]https://twitter.com/i/status/1456223000160833538[/link]

[kayla.meyer_144]

Definitely. Voting for the Republicans to keep teaching CRT out of grammar and nursery schools is not anyhing about race. Nothing worse than teaching toddlers to feel guilty. There aughta be a law against books and history that makes people uncomfortable.
 
then there is the opposition to the Democratic government telling people they need to mask & get vaccinated against a pandemic.

The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.
 [b]Isaac Asimov[/b]

 

A book is a loaded gun in the house next door…Who knows who might be the target of the well-read man? 
 
The problem in our country isn’t with books being banned, but with people no longer reading. You don’t have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
 
A book is a loaded gun.
 
Coloured people don’t like [i]Little Black Sambo[/i]. Burn it. White people don’t feel good about [i]Uncle Tom’s Cabin[/i]. Burn it. Someone’s written a book on tobacco and cancer of the lungs? The cigarette people are weeping? Burn the book. 
 
 [b]Ray Bradbury[/b], [link=https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1272463]Fahrenheit 451[/link]

 
 
[b] [/b]

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from dergon

Dems have to fix their issue with schools / CRT

“You’re too racist and dumb to realize that critical race theory isn’t what you think it is” doesn’t seem like it persuaded a lot of voters 

No, it does not help but tell many of these same people that their belief that Ivermectin is safe and effective against COVID while vaccines are not is dead wrong as just 1 example of their ignorance with many, many more examples of malevolent conspiracies beliefs available.
 
How do you deal with that level of suspicion, rejection and ignorance?
 
   And regarding the history of propaganda, let’s realize that the Right’s concern with CRT is right out of Lee Atwater’s playbook.
 
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

“It’s the turnout, stupid!” Complacency is always Democrats biggest enemy.
 
[link=https://www.nj.com/politics/2021/11/what-the-hell-just-happened-in-new-jersey-how-the-2021-election-redefined-crazy.html]https://www.nj.com/politi…n-redefined-crazy.html[/link]
 

Republicans were also poised to flip a few seats in the Democratic-controlled state Legislature, and in a shocker, theyre on the verge of booting out state Senate President [link=https://www.nj.com/topic/stephen-sweeney]Stephen Sweeney[/link] with a candidate [link=https://www.nj.com/politics/2021/11/nj-governors-race-fallout-could-claim-senate-president-sweeney-as-democrats-trail-key-legislative-races.html]a candidate with no political experience. [/link]
 
And all of this comes despite Democrats having more than 1 million more registered Democrats than Republicans in the state.
 
Based on the latest figures, only 37% of the states electorate voted for governor, which, if it holds up, would be [link=https://www.nj.com/news/2021/11/turnout-for-nj-governors-race-may-be-one-of-the-lowest-in-a-century.html]the lowest mark[/link] in a century of New Jersey gubernatorial elections.
 
The (voters) that showed up were the ones inclined to be looking to make a change, said Micah Rasmussen, director of the Rebovich Institute for New Jersey Politics at Rider University and a former top aide to Democratic Gov. James McGreevey. Where the heck was the Democratic get-out-the-vote operation?
 
If Democrats were apathetic, Republicans and likely others were angry. And New Jersey just happened to have one of the first elections of Bidens presidency.
 
If you were upset because you cant afford gas and you cant afford to buy a new car because both are too expensive right now, this was your first chance to go to a poll and express your frustration, Dworkin said. If youre upset about your kids education and mask requirements and learning loss, this was your chance to vote.
 
On the other hand, some down-ballot races may have had the opposite effect, with school board races driving up turnout from Republicans many of whom have been pushing against school mask mandates and cultural issues like critical race theory being taught in schools.
 
Ironically, the nights biggest shocker came at the expense of the one guy who for years pushed Murphy to be more moderate: Sweeney, the state Senate president who appears en route to losing to a[link=https://www.nj.com/politics/2021/11/how-a-truck-driver-spent-153-on-his-nj-election-campaign-to-likely-dethrone-a-political-kingpin.html] Republican who spent $153 on his campaign[/link].

 
 

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“It’s the turnout, stupid!” Complacency is always Democrats biggest enemy.

At least in VA it was *not* a D turnout issue.  
 
It was a collapse of the Democratic coalition.  Large swaths of people who voted for Biden didn’t stay home, they switched their vote to R.
 
 

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Dems have to fix their issue with schools / CRT

“You’re too racist and dumb to realize that critical race theory isn’t what you think it is” doesn’t seem like it persuaded a lot of voters 

No, it does not help but tell many of these same people that their belief that Ivermectin is safe and effective against COVID while vaccines are not is dead wrong as just 1 example of their ignorance with many, many more examples of malevolent conspiracies beliefs available.

How do you deal with that level of suspicion, rejection and ignorance?

 And regarding the history of propaganda, let’s realize that the Right’s concern with CRT is right out of Lee Atwater’s playbook.

CRT is jus the new boogey man.  At one time it was Sharia Law.  We’ll all be under Sharia Law if Obama wins.  or we’ll all get stabbed by MS-13 gang bangers.  The hoards of illegals.

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CRT is jus the new boogey man.  At one time it was Sharia Law.  We’ll all be under Sharia Law if Obama wins.  or we’ll all get stabbed by MS-13 gang bangers.  The hoards of illegals.

CRT as the “Sharia Law” … agree