[jquinones8812_854]

The rich are no different than anyone else…some good, some bad.

Bill Gates, hated by many, started this trend, and this is a great thing. It is a VOLUNTARY redistribution of wealth. And now, if we can get more upper middle and upper class (not ultrarich) people to do something similar, I think it could help a lot of people.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Buffett has been talking about this for a very long time. Bill Gates began his philanthropy with his libraries program, his father has been a vocal “liberal” rich guy for many years too setting the example for Bill. Ellison only came “out” at Buffett’s request.

As Buffett said, “The behavior of those before does affect what happens with those after, particularly if those people are somewhat admired in society. If Carnegie and Rockefeller hadn’t done what they’d done, there’d be less philanthropy in the United States today.”

[Unknown Member]

This will only be meaningful if they concurrently agree to not take the tax deductions; otherwise, pure PR move:
 

Still, for a donor in the 35% income tax bracket, the highest U.S. bracket, the effective cost of a $100 donation while alive can be $65, subject to some limitations

 
Haven’t researched to confirm, but the guys on the video clip stated the rich’s donations do not come anywhere near matching the total continuous $10 – $100 donations by the public at large (though that has certainly dropped off since ’08).

[jquinones8812_854]

That is totally true. Actually, even during the recession it is true. Most charities depend on small donations, not large ones. That was why I made the statement of more common individuals giving more.

[kayla.meyer_144]

“Pure PR?” I disagree. While alive they are certainly entitled to the deduction like everyone else. I doubt this is some PR tax shelter. Giving away 1/2 or more of your $Billions is not insignificant, it’s still giving it. 

[Unknown Member]

I still say it’s less meaningful to our economy and society if they take away from tax receipts. I guess that could be debated, though: they may turn around and donate that saved money back to charity, instead of the gov’t.
 
And PR only because of the announcement. One of the guys quoted even admitted as much:

Mr. Steyer made the pledge to support what he sees as an effort by Mr. Buffett to show how those who profit from capitalism can help improve society.
“We want him to succeed in reshaping the way people think about the private enterprise system,” Mr. Steyer said.

 
I don’t mean to take away from the sentiment involved in their giving, but it’s likely to involve much more publicity than it warrants in terms of helping society, compared to the giving of Americans as a whole (which goes unsung). 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Many of them, like Ellison were already making large contributions & only came “out” at Buffett’s request as Buffett says, “to encourage others.” So PR, yes, but self-serving? I doubt it. The signers have no need for self-serving PR.

[Unknown Member]

gotta admit gates is amazing in what he is doing with the second part of his life!!!!

[Unknown Member]

You might want to do a little research on Gates family, Planned Parenthood & Eugenics before you celebrate this man.

I am sure people will poo poo the idea and just move on without looking into it.

Here is a few to get you started:

Bill Gates Funding Of Abortion Reveals Him To Be Liar When He Says All Lives Have Equal Value
[u][link=http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=648]http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=648[/link][/u]

Bill Gates And Neo-Eugenics: Vaccines To Reduce Population
[u][link=http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html]http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html[/link]
[/u]
THE BILL GATES EUGENICS MOVEMENT IS GAINING MOMENTUM
[u][link=http://www.truth-it.net/bill_gates_eugenics.html]http://www.truth-it.net/bill_gates_eugenics.html[/link][/u]

Bill Gates Talks Energy, Climate Change and Eugenics at TED2010
[u][link=http://thegreenjob.org/2010/03/01/bill-gates-talks-energy-climate-change-and-eugenics-at-ted2010/]http://thegreenjob.org/2010/03/01/bill-gates-talks-energy-climate-change-and-eugenics-at-ted2010/[/link][/u]

[kayla.meyer_144]

A bit of a bizarre post. Eugenics? So concern about a growing world population & now one is guilty of being pro-genocide?

If abortion is outright murder the 1st ones to the docket for murder are the women who voluntary go. When I see a call for that I’ll believe the “murder” charge is more than just rhetoric. Attacking the pressures of poverty and supplying birth control is the best preventative.

Bill Gates still has my admiration for his philanthropy.

[Unknown Member]

This why Gates etal are going the charitable route, so that htey can fund what they want. If reproductive services that may or may not include abortions isn’t your cup of tea then don’t give to them. For others this isn’t murder, genocide, eugenics or any other such thing. It is giving women control over whether they want to have a baby or not. Even in this country the majority still support abortion to some degree. I also dare say that the lives that they have saved from malaria and through vaccines far out numbers any abortions.

[Unknown Member]

My favorite quote from Bill Gates about over population – “If we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services (abortion), we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 per cent.”

He loves humanity by decreasing the population by 10-15%?

ORIGINAL: Raddocmed

I also dare say that the lives that they have saved from malaria and through vaccines far out numbers any abortions.

I will take my chances with malaria and proper nutrition but nobody can make any money off of that.  You can end malaria real quick but that is not part of the plan.

What about all the lives that got screwed up because vaccines were tainted?  What do you tell them?

Report: Nearly 100 children died or fell ill in Shanxi after shots
[u][link=http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-03/18/content_9606010.htm]http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-03/18/content_9606010.htm[/link][/u]

Tainted Vaccine Is Unsalvageable, F.D.A. Says
[u][link=http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/16/politics/16vaccine.html]http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/16/politics/16vaccine.html[/link][/u]

Rotarix rotavirus vaccine contaminated, officials say
[u][link=http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/03/22/rotavirus.vaccine/?hpt=T2]http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/03/22/rotavirus.vaccine/?hpt=T2[/link][/u]

The Possibility of a Tainted Tetanus Toxoid Vaccine in the Philippines
[u][link=http://www.akha.org/content/medicaldocuments/tetanustoxoidphilippines.html]http://www.akha.org/content/medicaldocuments/tetanustoxoidphilippines.html[/link][/u]

How did H5N1 get into a vaccine?
[link=http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2009/02/how-did-h5n1-get-into-a-vaccine.html]http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2009/02/how-did-h5n1-get-into-a-vaccine.html[/link]

[Unknown Member]

The second part, i’ll take a look at with an open mind… but this?:
 
[b]He loves humanity by decreasing the population by 10-15%? [/b]
[b][/b] 
We know that this planet cannot sustain a growing population. If we can limit overpopulation by providing birth control services to areas with higher rates of reproduction, and it’s voluntary, I can’t see what the objection could be. Overpopulation helps no one, ultimately, even though it may seem to in the archaic societies where extreme poverty mandates it.
[b]
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[Unknown Member]

For those that think there are too many people on this planet why don’t you exterminate your entire family and yourself?  I am not talking just kids & wife.  I mean aunts, uncles, cousins and grandma.  Kill them all.   It is for the good of the planet.

That sound a little extreme?  That sound a little barbaric?  That sound a little evil?

If it is good enough for brown folks around the world it should be good for you and yours.

Don’t have the guts to take granny out?  How about you do your part by decreasing the population in your immediate area by 10-15%? 

Go out there and kill 10-15% of the folks on your block.  It is for the good of the planet.

What are you waiting for? 

That’s right…..It is called murder.

Everybody want to go to heaven but nobody wants to die.

Depopulation is such a great idea until they ask you to do your part.

[Unknown Member]

this might be the dumbest AM thread I have ever read, so full of fail. 

[jquinones8812_854]

ORIGINAL: itchn2help

The second part, i’ll take a look at with an open mind… but this?:

[b]He loves humanity by decreasing the population by 10-15%? [/b]
[b][/b] 
We know that this planet cannot sustain a growing population. If we can limit overpopulation by providing birth control services to areas with higher rates of reproduction, and it’s voluntary, I can’t see what the objection could be. Overpopulation helps no one, ultimately, even though it may seem to in the archaic societies where extreme poverty mandates it.
[b]
[/b]

Actually, we know nothing of the sort.

In the 30s, people said that we could not handle population over 2 billion. In the 60s, they said 6 trillion. Now? I agree it is not infinite, but I think that we are no where close to reaching our limit on population growth.

[Unknown Member]

ORIGINAL: beefmon

My favorite quote from Bill Gates about over population – “If we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services (abortion), we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 per cent.”

He loves humanity by decreasing the population by 10-15%?

So after your pointed and somewhat nasty comments about not reading the original references, I did read them.

Now I have to say that YOU should have read them.

1) regarding Gates: “he loves humanity by decreasing the population by 10-15%” . Here is what he said in actuality (i listened myself):

The world today has 6.8 billion people. That is headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health care, we lower that by perhaps 10 or 15%. But there we see an increase of about 1.3.

The second factor is the services we use. …

The quote was taken from a talk about how to reduce carbon emissions. The point of this passage was that as population increases, necessarily so does carbon production. You can see, if you read the quote and don’t leave off the last sentence as you did, that he is NOT saying decrease the population by 10-15%, he is saying holding down the INCREASE. (reducing the 9 billion by 10% leaves 8.1 billion which is the 1.3 billion increase over the current 6.8 billion he is talking about.
Preventing pregnancies and controlling population in that manner is more than a little different than lining up people in front of a firing squad. Most of the world, perhaps yourself included, has used birth control.
Presenting this is as gates wanting to kill off 10-15% of the worlds population is a ridiculous and aggregious distortion of what he said, which you would know if you had watched the presentation and thought about it for 10 seconds.

2) Regarding Margaret Sanger:

Your reference http://thegreenjob.org/2010/03/01/bill-gates-talks-energy-climate-change-and-eugenics-at-ted2010/
states:

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates to an organization called Planned Parenthood, of which William H. Gates Sr., Bills father, is on the board of directors.  Here is a link to the Planned Parenthood website thanking them for a $1 million gift.
Here is a link about some of Planned Parenthoods controversies.
The best part is, Planned Parenthood was formed by a lady named Margaret Sanger, who was an open proponent of Nazi eugenics and euthanasia.  Read about that here.
I couldnt make this stuff up, even if I wanted to.

OMG!!! Margaret Sanger WAS a Nazi, probably responsible for the murder of the Jews. Got to look further into this, so I did.

The reference that this person cites is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Eugenics_and_euthanasia

which says:

Sanger’s views thus broke from those proposing Nazi eugenicsan aggressive, and lethal, program. She wrote in a 1933 letter:
“All the news from Germany is sad & horrible, and to me more dangerous than any other war going on any where because it has so many good people who applaud the atrocities & claim its right. The sudden antagonism in Germany against the Jews & the vitriolic hatred of them is spreading underground here & is far more dangerous than the aggressive policy of the Japanese in Manchuria..

How very odd. They distort the reference to mean precisely the opposite of what was really stated, and then give the reference. I suppose they didn’t think anyone would look it up.

Now, to be fair, there are other passages that you or someone else wrote that say that the Nazi’s picked up their ideas on eugenics from Sanger. So I suppose that that makes her responsible for the Nazi attrocities. Just like the Arabs are responsible because they invented algebra, and after all, the Nazi’s had to use algebra to do all the engineering necessary to kill all those people.

I suppose I could go on and spend my time going through more of these for amusement, but I have other things to do.

Oh, BTW, did you really think that your comments about killing my grandparents would be really persuasive? Instead, it lets me know what kind of person I am talking to

But I fully support your right to say this. I would never advocate censoring you.. One of the major benefits of free speech is that it allows us to identify those who are really off base.

[Unknown Member]

ORIGINAL: Frumious

…Bill Gates began his philanthropy with his libraries program, his father has been a vocal “liberal” rich guy for many years too setting the example for Bill…

I assume his father is a liberal because he’s a lawyer and not because he’s rich.

This does add to the argument that the rich really can afford to drop the tax cuts though and help balance our deficit. Even if it’s not strictly voluntary.

[kayla.meyer_144]

I know very conservative lawyers. Ted Olson is a conservative, isn’t he?

[vascular28_304]

I wonder if it’s more a matter of control over what happens with/to their money….
 
 In other words, I know that I would rather be able to direct half my income each year to various charities of my choosing, because I approve of their compassion and efficiency in assisting various causes, research, people or animals, than have it taken from me via taxes, handed over to the government, knowing full well that a majority of it will be wasted.  Or worse, spent in ways that create worsening dependencies.
I would venture to guess that the super rich feel the same way.  Donate to a charity of your choice, or lose it to taxes?  What’s your preference.
 
 
 
“Taxation of earnings from labor is on a par with forced labor. Seizing the results of someone’s labor is equivalent to seizing hours from him and directing him to carry on various activities”. [i]Robert Nozick, Harvard philosopher[/i]
[i][/i] 
“According to the Tax Foundation, taxes now consume more than 38% of the average family’s budget. That is more than is spent on food, clothing, housing, and transportation combined. Compare this to the plight of medieval serfs. They only had to give the lord of the manor one-third of their output — and they were considered slaves. So what does that make us? ” [i]Daniel Mitchell, The Washington Times, 3/9/99 [/i]
[i][/i] 
“The seeds of today’s runaway government were planted when it was decided that government should help those who can’t help themselves. From that modest, compassionate beginning to today’s out-of-control mega-state, there’s a straight, unbroken line. Once the door was open, once it was settled that the government should help some people at the expense of others, there was no stopping it”. [link=http://www.harrybrowne.org/articles/BudgetBill.htm][u][color=#0000ff][i]Harry Browne[/i][/color][/u][/link][i] [/i].

[kayla.meyer_144]

ORIGINAL: xrayer31

In other words, I know that I would rather be able to direct half my income each year to various charities of my choosing, because I approve of their compassion and efficiency in assisting various causes, research, people or animals, than have it taken from me via taxes, handed over to the government, knowing full well that a majority of it will be wasted.  Or worse, spent in ways that create worsening dependencies.
I would venture to guess that the super rich feel the same way.  Donate to a charity of your choice, or lose it to taxes?  What’s your preference.

DUH! That’s the whole basis for making charitable contributions tax deductable. The government underwrites/subsidizes the giving by exchanging the tax revenue for the charitable donation and the donor chooses the charity of choice.Everyone’s happy. The charity gets the $$$, the donor pays the contribution instead of the taxes and decides to whom the payments go and the government essentially allows the siphon because of the public benefit.

[Unknown Member]

When I read what they’re actually saying, it sure sounds like they simply want to go down in this generation’s history as the Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, and Astor of our time so that their name lives long after they have returned to dust. They don’t want to die with the world simply remembering them as greedy rich guys.

So after decades of interminable global conquest, they finally have reached the point in their lives when they realize they not only as mortal as the next guy, but that they’re now closer to that inevitable death, and that is scaring the bloody hell out of them.

[Unknown Member]

ORIGINAL: Splectus

When I read what they’re actually saying, it sure sounds like they simply want to go down in this generation’s history as the Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, and Astor of our time so that their name lives long after they have returned to dust. They don’t want to die with the world simply remembering them as greedy rich guys.

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Astounding amount of cynicism here, and also on the skeptical inquirer site.

Some say they are in it for the tax write off. As if they can somehow make money off of a tax write off. What a joke!
Some say they are in it only to glorify their names.

Here’s what I see: Gates (for example) starts off with a great idea and a passion to make it work and develop a tool that will really change the world. He makes that tool. Money comes in. He has no choice, he must do something with that money. So, he puts it back into the company and it continues to grow exponentially. Now there is more money. Do you give it to the government? Why would you do that? They (the govt) have proven themselves over and over to be profligate wasters of money sent their way. Any of you ever get a glimpse inside of the NIH research machine? Yes, some useful research comes out, but there is a disturbing amount of research that is funded whose chief goal is career advancement for the PI. (favorite “hall of shame” comment by one of these guys to me: “I write the grants for something I have already done, that way, I know that there will be a positive result, and a quick result. The funding agencies love it” I assume this is not unusual).

So you have this pile of money. If it were me, I would trust my management (which, of course, has been shown over the years to be far, FAR more effective than any management of the funds the govt could bring to the table) and set up my foundation to do the work that seems important to me. I would furthermore make the investigators answerable to me, so that I can be sure that the money is being spent effectively (and not simply to be sure that this years funding is used up so that next years won’t be cut, as an example). That is what Gates has done. It appears to me that he has chosen a few projects that can have very far reaching effects, and is applying a very focused approach to them. A no BS approach.

So he gets trashed for doing this. Disturbing. Irrational.

And for those who think that overpopulation of the planet is a worthy goal (probably only Beefmon): watch the movie Idiocracy.

[Unknown Member]

ORIGINAL: Dr.Sardonicus

And for those who think that overpopulation of the planet is a worthy goal (probably only Beefmon): watch the movie Idiocracy.

I have seen Idiocracy many times.

Idiocracy had NOTHING TO DO WITH OVERPOPULATION. 

I was all about the deliberate dumping down of the masses.

[Unknown Member]

For the record, I do have a tremendous respect for Bill Gates, as for Warren Buffett and a few others of their ilk. I don’t think they’re anything near, say, a Carnegie — and that’s a good thing, in case you’re wondering. I have no doubt none of them are doing it “for the tax break”. Indeed, that is illogical. I just feel that it would have 100% of intended impact if the tax break itself was not shoved back into their pockets, but instead also committed to charity. And who knows if that is their plan, or if they’ve even thought that far ahead at this point.
 
And, Mistrad — you may be right about the exact numbers, or ballparks even, that this planet can withstand, but it is logical to assume it can’t withstand infinite population growth, correct? Then I think an acknowledgment of that reality now is not unwise, so that measures can be taken that are necessarily slow to take effect, like…changing a culture over to embracing birth control.
 
And, actually, I’m not thinking in terms of “just the brown people”. I think a good place to start would be with the Pope, removing the ban on birth control for Catholics.

[jquinones8812_854]

I am not against population control efforts, like birth control. But fear mongering about the issue is not helpful. The main reason for starvation in this world is bad food distribution. It really is. Food production is adequate. There are people starving in the US today. There are people starving in India, even though they have a food surplus and export food goods.

You want to reduce the fertility rate? Educate women. Any society with educated women has relatively low fertility rates.

[Unknown Member]

Agree 100%.

[Unknown Member]

I think the world is ending. Mistrad and Itchin agree on something.
 
Beefmon We get that you are opposed to abortion. You have made that clear. Please either just state that or drop it. By the way reproductive services doesn’t equate to abortion. All birth control is reproductive services, but you may be opposed to that too.

[jquinones8812_854]

The world doesn’t need to end…only the planets need to align.

[Unknown Member]

ORIGINAL: Raddocmed

Beefmon We get that you are opposed to abortion. You have made that clear. Please either just state that or drop it. By the way reproductive services doesn’t equate to abortion. All birth control is reproductive services, but you may be opposed to that too.

I am neither for or against opposed to abortion.  I did not say anything about abortion.

[Unknown Member]

ORIGINAL: beefmon

I am neither for or against opposed to abortion.  I did not say anything about abortion.

Whut?? 

[Unknown Member]

Beefmon I think you may need to see a doctor. You have brought up abortion multiple times.
ORIGINAL: beefmon

My favorite quote from Bill Gates about over population – “If we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services (abortion), we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 per cent.”

He loves humanity by decreasing the population by 10-15%?
 
Also if you think that you can rid the world of malaria easily there is big money and a Noble prize awaiting you. Better men than you or me have strived against it decades without much luck.

[Unknown Member]

Negative on the abortion sir – I was quoting Bill Gates.

Re-read the quote…….

How is increasing health care and vaccines and reproductive health services going to decrease the population?  Wouldn’t it make them healthier and enable them to live longer?

NOT ABORTION……Eugenics
***I understand abortion is part of eugenics but it is only the tip of the iceberg****

My point is that just because something looks benevolent on the outside doesn’t mean that there is another agenda.

Grab you a nice glass of single malt and search engine the term “eugenics” or “Margaret Sanger”

Look a little and you will find out that Hitler learned a little of his techniques from America.

[u][link=http://books.google.com/books?id=qYHscsPFF-wC&printsec=frontcover&dq=eugenics&source=bl&ots=abzJfxzpTX&sig=padYs20RXJYKFFsC5fF8huBBgdA&hl=en&ei=2oFcTJy-AcL78AbKzfSuAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBkQ6AEwADgU#v=onepage&q&f=false]http://books.google.com/books?id=qYHscsPFF-wC&printsec=frontcover&dq=eugenics&source=bl&ots=abzJfxzpTX&sig=padYs20RXJYKFFsC5fF8huBBgdA&hl=en&ei=2oFcTJy-AcL78AbKzfSuAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBkQ6AEwADgU#v=onepage&q&f=false[/link][/u]

The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics
[u][link=http://hnn.us/articles/1796.html]http://hnn.us/articles/1796.html[/link][/u]

IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America’s Most Powerful Corporation
[link=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0609607995/qid=1068504074/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-4045834-0199038?v=glance&n=507846]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0609607995/qid=1068504074/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-4045834-0199038?v=glance&n=507846[/link]

[kayla.meyer_144]

WTF!!!???

Margaret Sanger? Eugenics? IBM?

Conspiracy!!

Sanger is dead & who cares? Eugenics? Great stuff for conspiracies. IBM? It has to be something to do with computers, first IBM then Gates.

Hitler??? As I posted to Dalai, Godwin’s Law says it all.

I see Glenn Beck lives in your head.

[jquinones8812_854]

Actually, even Glenn Beck is not that insane.

[raallen]

I wonder if the challenge has been put to George Soros and what his “charity” will be. The new weatherman, la raza or perpetual endowment for Air America?

I guess it’s better than leaving the mansion to a tiny lapdog or giving it all to a fat blonde ex-stripper with her own deathwish.

[raallen]

ORIGINAL: RVU

I wonder if the challenge has been put to George Soros and what his “charity” will be. The new weatherman, la raza or perpetual endowment for Air America?

I guess its better than leaving the mansion to a tiny lapdog or giving it all to a fat blonde ex-stripper with her own deathwish.

[Unknown Member]

Hunh??   glad to know there’s a limit to the insanity I can actually follow….

[Unknown Member]

ORIGINAL: Frumious

WTF!!!???

Margaret Sanger? Eugenics? IBM?

Conspiracy!!

Sanger is dead & who cares? Eugenics? Great stuff for conspiracies. IBM? It has to be something to do with computers, first IBM then Gates.

Hitler??? As I posted to Dalai, Godwin’s Law says it all.

I see Glenn Beck lives in your head.

Did you look into eugenics?
Did you look into Margaret Sanger?
Did you read any of the links I posted? 
Were the links I posted inaccurate? 

Instead of keeping an open mind and maybe learning a thing or two about history, you just push it away and claim conspiracy. 

BTW – I think Glenn Beck is a POS.

[kayla.meyer_144]

ORIGINAL: beefmon

Did you look into eugenics?
Did you look into Margaret Sanger?
Did you read any of the links I posted? 
Were the links I posted inaccurate? 

Yes, yes, yes and yes. I actually do read & research most of the links posters have in their messages.

[raallen]

ORIGINAL: beefmon

Grab you a nice glass of single malt and search engine the term “eugenics” or “Margaret Sanger”

  <Grabbing and guzzling the scotch> OMG, we have to get to the bottom of this “Margaret Sanger” woman. She maybe the pivot of evil in the 20th century-the link between Western upper class, social Darwinism, nazism, and the nameless slaughter of [i]billions. [/i]Is this why GWB got into [i]both [/i]Harvard and Yale, or that 29-29 Eli/Crimson football tie in 68′?  Good work beefmon.
 
Can we trace her progeny to interrogate them? Exhume her body for to prove something…anything. Is there a secret society of Sanger believers? Does Planned Parenthood have some uncoded messages in their logo or ads?

[Unknown Member]

Paranoia seems to make for strange bedfellows: guess who shares Beefmon’s fear of the “Great Sanger Scourge”? :

[link=http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/?q=Margaret+Sanger&vid=0486111CEAEA63E055A30486111CEAEA63E055A3&FORM=VIRE8]http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/?q=Margaret+Sanger&vid=0486111CEAEA63E055A30486111CEAEA63E055A3&FORM=VIRE8[/link]

[jquinones8812_854]

Never in my life thought I would see so many posts about Margaret Sanger.

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/bill-and-melinda-gates-announce-they-are-ending-marriage/2021/05/03/8e8f4376-ac52-11eb-82c1-896aca955bb9_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…96aca955bb9_story.html[/link]

Bill and Melinda Gates announce they are getting divorced[/h1]

Bill and Melinda Gates said Monday that they are divorcing but would keep working together at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, one of the largest charitable foundations in the world.
 
In identical tweets, the Microsoft co-founder and his wife said they had made the decision to end their marriage of 27 years.
 
We have raised three incredible children and built a foundation that works all over the world to enable all people to lead healthy, productive lives, they said in a statement. We ask for space and privacy for our family as we begin to navigate this new life.
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[kaldridgewv2211]

Quote from dergon

[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/bill-and-melinda-gates-announce-they-are-ending-marriage/2021/05/03/8e8f4376-ac52-11eb-82c1-896aca955bb9_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…96aca955bb9_story.html[/link]

Bill and Melinda Gates announce they are getting divorced

Bill and Melinda Gates said Monday that they are divorcing but would keep working together at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, one of the largest charitable foundations in the world.

In identical tweets, the Microsoft co-founder and his wife said they had made the decision to end their marriage of 27 years.

We have raised three incredible children and built a foundation that works all over the world to enable all people to lead healthy, productive lives, they said in a statement. We ask for space and privacy for our family as we begin to navigate this new life.
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I saw something that said he hired an army of lawyers.  Apparently no pre-nup

[ruszja]

Funny, this thread is 11 years old. AM hasn’t changed.
 
Driving home last night I listened to some socialist in  the Frumi tradition lamenting how terrible it is that Bill and Melinda Gates are giving all this money to healthcare related projects. Because you know, with them funding public health projects around the world they have given an employment opportunity to public health experts in poor countries and that reduces the staff available to the respective governments public health efforts. Really terrible.
The main argument against their philantrophy was that he had no say in how the money is being spent.

[kayla.meyer_144]

This frumi tradition thinks Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation focusing on health is a great thing. & philantrophy is a great thing in humanitarian & Humanist tradition.
 
Sooo, Im totally missing your point.
 
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

The Frumi Tradition started this thread cheering on Buffett for his philantrophy, if you read it.
 
[link=https://www.auntminnie.com/forum/fb.ashx?m=267695]https://www.auntminnie.com/forum/fb.ashx?m=267695[/link]
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Bill Gates, Buffett, et al notwithstanding, interesting article in Economist:

http://www.economist.com/node/16690659

LIFE at the bottom is nasty, brutish and short. For this reason, heartless folk might assume that people in the lower social classes will be more self-interested and less inclined to consider the welfare of others than upper-class individuals, who can afford a certain [i]noblesse oblige[/i]. A recent study, however, challenges this idea. Experiments by Paul Piff and his colleagues at the University of California, Berkeley, reported this week in the [i]Journal of Personality and Social Psychology[/i], suggest precisely the opposite. It is the poor, not the rich, who are inclined to charity.

It proves nothing really but does suggest something interesting about the mindsets of the affluent vs the not-so-affluent.

[Unknown Member]

agreed some of these guys are incredible role models, better than our government leaders!!