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  • “Palin scares the hell out of me”

    Posted by kayla.meyer_144 on September 11, 2008 at 2:07 am

    Former NYC Mayor Ed Kock endorses Obama as better for security & America & Israel

    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/09/koch-says-palin-scares-the-hell-out-of-me/

    Koch, who was mayor of New York from 1977 to 1989, said he has concluded that the country would be safer in the hands of Obama and running mate Joe Biden than presidential candidate John McCain and Palin.

    Protecting and defending the U.S. means more than defending us from foreign attacks, Koch said, citing such concerns as civil liberties, abortion rights, gay rights and access to health insurance.

    Koch said he is particularly troubled by Palins record in those areas.

    btomba_77 replied 2 years, 2 months ago 9 Members · 84 Replies
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  • jquinones8812_854

    Member
    September 11, 2008 at 6:56 am

    Ed Koch, not Kock.

    And I guess you listened to him in 2004…when he endorsed Bush.  Right?

    • Unknown Member

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      September 11, 2008 at 7:10 am

      just another former somebody who is now a nobody doing anything and saying anything to stay in the public eye…these people should just go away.
       
      i still haven’t made up my mind for whom to vote, but i know that the endorsement of people like koch’s will not enter into my thinking.

      • Unknown Member

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        September 11, 2008 at 7:47 am

        I agree, endorsesments from use-to-be’s and actors should have no weight in an election. 
         
        Sarah has been a shot in the arm for this election [i]and[/i] she is way better looking the Joe, but still don’ t know if I will vote her tickit or not.

    • kayla.meyer_144

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      September 11, 2008 at 7:53 am

      ORIGINAL: MISTRAD

      Ed Koch, not Kock.

      And I guess you listened to him in 2004…when he endorsed Bush.  Right?

      Sorry, morning sleep in my fingers. I heard but didn’t follow.

      I’m curious what she’ll say or be allowed to say when she’s finally allowed to be questioned – respectfully of course since she’s a girl and therefore delicate & deserving of protection, unlike Hillary. Hope the days of coaching help.

      • jquinones8812_854

        Member
        September 11, 2008 at 8:04 am

        Interview tonight with Charlie Gibson…will be on 20/20 tomorrow.  

        • eyoab2011_711

          Member
          September 11, 2008 at 9:23 am

          “Aides traveling with Ms. Palin have reported back to associates that she is a fast study — asking few questions of her policy briefers but quickly repeating back their main points — who already has considerable ease and experience before cameras.
          A former aide in Alaska who had helped prepare Ms. Palin for her campaign debates there said she had a talent for distilling information into digestible sound bites. The aide said she generally prefers light preparatory materials to heavy briefing books, and prefers walking through potential questions and answers with aides to holding mock sessions.
           
          Kind of makes her sound like Bush in a skirt. Admittedly these quotes are from an NYT article so it will be interesting to see whether she is substantitive on issues or talks in sound bites. 

          • Unknown Member

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            September 11, 2008 at 9:32 am

            While I respect her as a mom ( I love Hockey) and a candidate who is willing to buck the trend I am also scared of her conservative bent and her foreign policy inexperience–I feel more like Obama has the intellectual capacity to handle democracy with her I don’t know—-I feel she is too close to the presidency for comfort.  I prefer someone more like Mccain who is more thoughtful and willing to compromise on issues and more centrist.  I would have preferred a Tom Ridge or Mitt Romney–in fact had Mccain picked either of these guys I would have considered voting Mccain.  

            • jquinones8812_854

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              September 11, 2008 at 9:38 am

              This is the problem. How long did it take you to realize Obama could handle the job?  Apparently is was only a minority of Democrats just one year ago.  Maybe we should have decided then, huh?

              Let her atleast make her argument.  Again, I believe she will either convince people or she won’t; it is her burden to bear.  But to make judgements even before she has had a chance to make her argument is quite ridiculous.

              • Unknown Member

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                September 12, 2008 at 8:20 am

                I am making judgements from real solid information I am close to several frineds in the “great state of alaska”  from both sides of the political spectrum and they have several of the same problems with Palin as the quote “liberal media” do.

                • Unknown Member

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                  September 12, 2008 at 8:38 am

                  from [link=http://dailygut.com/]http://dailygut.com/[/link] – “Palin Worse Then Hitler”:
                   
                  [b]According to many in the media, we truly have discovered someone worse than Hitler and it’s Sarah Palin.[/b][b]Head to any left-wing blog or even CNN for that matter and you’ll find the zaniest of conspiracies — froth that even a dude with rabies would find unseemly.[/b]
                  So how can one person create so much bile among folks who claim to be the most tolerant in the universe? I mean, liberals are the good people: They’re open-minded, caring and of course, fair.
                  But somehow, a Republican lady in her 40s is exempt from this treatment. Perhaps, she truly is the devil in a dress, a ghoul that eats children and pollutes the planet and possibly beats Barack Obama, the patron saint of every customer buying wheat germ in bulk at GNC.
                  But I know the real reason why every single elitist media type is terrified of her. They’ve never met her. And by “her,” I don’t mean Sarah Palin. I mean “her”, an actual normal woman with a bunch of kids, an average husband and no desire to watch “The L Word.”
                  She’s scary to these folks the way Wal-Mart is scary to them: Both are alien to someone who blogs about their chakras. They won’t go there, because they’ve never been there.  
                  To them, hating Sarah Palin is a symptom of larger bigotry against the rest of us, the normal. If they saw her at a party, they would wonder how she got in. She’s the anti-Obama, the anti-New York Times, the anti-everything that Tim Robbins loves, which is why I love her and you should too. 
                  And if you disagree with me, then you sir are worse than Hitler.
                   

                • Unknown Member

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                  September 12, 2008 at 8:43 am

                  I’m confounded by the irrational fear of someone being “conservative”. To me, conservatism is almost by definition being in communion with the values and policies that got us to this point in history as a nation.  Liberalism are ideals that look toward new and different horizons in the search of something better.  This, to me, seems riskier than someone who values a proven tradition.  Palin’s only sin, so far, has been her willingness to stike back at Obama’s charges of inexperience.  The left has become obsessed with her to the point of fearmongering.

                  • kayla.meyer_144

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                    September 12, 2008 at 4:42 pm

                    ORIGINAL: aldadoc

                    I’m confounded by the irrational fear of someone being “conservative”. To me, conservatism is almost by definition being in communion with the values and policies that got us to this point in history as a nation.  Liberalism are ideals that look toward new and different horizons in the search of something better.  This, to me, seems riskier than someone who values a proven tradition.  Palin’s only sin, so far, has been her willingness to stike back at Obama’s charges of inexperience.  The left has become obsessed with her to the point of fearmongering.

                    I have no fear, irrational or otherwise, of conservatives. Some of my best friends…blah, blah, blah. I do object to the language of the discussion labeling anyone who questions conservatives positions as unpatriotic liars who want the terrorists to win, who want to steal hard earned money to give away and spend on useless projects (like pay for the war), as elites who look down their noses at real people, like those from small towns. There’s much more. As for fearmongering, I think the Republicans are guilty of that and obsessed with enemies and conspiracies everywhere.

                    I do agree that conservatives tend to prefer the traditional while liberals want to make things better. I agree with Bobby Kennedy’s quotes,

                    It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope.

                    and

                    Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly.

                    • jquinones8812_854

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                      September 12, 2008 at 5:36 pm

                      [b]language of the discussion labeling anyone who questions conservatives positions as unpatriotic liars[/b]

                      I am sorry…can you pinpoint an example?

                      [b]want to steal hard earned money to give away and spend on useless projects[/b]

                      I think steal is too harsh a word…but tax increases should have a purpose; for obama, it seems just a way to increase gov’t spending, and not to decrease the deficit as you propose.

                      [b]elites who look down their noses at real people[/b]

                      This is often of their own making; just look at the first response of the Obama campaign to Palin…

                      [b]Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly. [/b]

                      Or, from MI-6 in England:  “Those who dare, win.”  One of Ronald Reagan’s favorite quotes, I may add…

                      …as for liberals wanting to make things better, I don’t doubt that for a second (unlike liberals, who happily accuse conservatives of not wanting to improve anything).  The only difference is that we feel that left wing policies in this country don’t help as many people as you would like.

                    • eyoab2011_711

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                      September 12, 2008 at 6:44 pm

                      [b]language of the discussion labeling anyone who questions conservatives positions as unpatriotic liars[/b]

                      I am sorry…can you pinpoint an example?
                       
                      -Listen to Hannity or Rush.  How about those who accused Democrats of wanting the terrorists to win.  Read any number of Alda’s posts on Iraq

                      [b]want to steal hard earned money to give away and spend on useless projects[/b]

                      I think steal is too harsh a word…but tax increases should have a purpose; for obama, it seems just a way to increase gov’t spending, and not to decrease the deficit as you propose.
                       
                      -Ok but Dalai and Alda have both railed against taxes in a reverse populist fashion.  I would argue a tax cut should also more of a purpose then garnering votes.  BTW Obama’s tax plan would cut taxes for the vast majority of Americans-if you want to argue he is doing both I think it is a fair argument.

                      [b]elites who look down their noses at real people[/b]

                      This is often of their own making; just look at the first response of the Obama campaign to Palin…
                       
                      -This is an effective talking point started by the RNC, but true disdain is shown by avoiding the issues and talking honestly about moving the country forward while telling people they should feel insulted by various comments.  You are right however, plenty of this is self-inflicted

                      [b]Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly. [/b]

                      Or, from MI-6 in England:  “Those who dare, win.”  One of Ronald Reagan’s favorite quotes, I may add…

                      …as for liberals wanting to make things better, I don’t doubt that for a second (unlike liberals, who happily accuse conservatives of not wanting to improve anything).  The only difference is that we feel that left wing policies in this country don’t help as many people as you would like.
                       
                      -Now, now we liberals know conservatives want to improve things….for the wealthy (Hope you know this is tongue in cheek). 
                       
                      The real problem is that all elected officials are using their position to serve themselves rather than the country.  How else can you explain spending millions of dollars for jobs that pay less than $200,000

                    • kayla.meyer_144

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                      September 13, 2008 at 3:51 am

                      Mistrad-

                      Or, from MI-6 in England: “Those who dare, win.” One of Ronald Reagan’s favorite quotes, I may add…

                      …as for liberals wanting to make things better, I don’t doubt that for a second (unlike liberals, who happily accuse conservatives of not wanting to improve anything). The only difference is that we feel that left wing policies in this country don’t help as many people as you would like.

                      I don’t disagree with trying. The other is just policy differences and that’s as it should be. Yin/Yang.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      September 13, 2008 at 4:35 am

                      I watched part of the Charles Gibson interview – she did not do well. Even ignoring the Bush doctrine gaffe, her answers seem way to scripted. She awkwardly directed her answers away from some questions when it was possible to answer them directly and with finesse (answers that I know of, that she could give). She did not have mastery of any data to support her contentions. I would have done better.

                      She will need to improve a lot.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

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                      September 13, 2008 at 5:05 am

                      Interesting opinion piece from the conservative David Brooks, http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/opinion/12brooks.html

                      the Republican Partys knee-jerk response to many problems is: Throw a voucher at it. Schools are bad. Throw a voucher. Health care systems a mess. Replace it with federally funded individual choice. Economic anxiety? Lower some tax rate.

                      The latest example of the mismatch between ideology and reality is the housing crisis. The partys individualist model cannot explain the social contagion that caused hundreds of thousands of individuals to make bad decisions in the same direction at the same time. A Republican administration intervened gigantically in the market to handle the Bear Stearns, Freddie and Fannie debacles. But it has no conservative rationale to explain its action, no language about the importance of social equilibrium it might use to justify itself.

                    • jquinones8812_854

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                      September 13, 2008 at 5:25 am

                      With Palin’s interview, I thought her weakest portion was on Israel…she was repeating whatever they told her to say, instead of thinking about it.

                      As for the Bush Doctorine, can anyone answer me what exactly that is?  When Gibson asked that question, I came up with a different answer than he did; I admit I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but still.  And now I have heard Bushies saying that there are atleast 4 different Bush doctorines.  So that in particular, I am not sure it is not Gibson’s gaffe, instead of Palin’s.

                      Overall, like I said before, a medicore performance.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

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                      September 13, 2008 at 6:18 am

                      ORIGINAL: MISTRAD

                      As for the Bush Doctorine, can anyone answer me what exactly that is?  When Gibson asked that question, I came up with a different answer than he did; I admit I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but still.  And now I have heard Bushies saying that there are atleast 4 different Bush doctorines.  So that in particular, I am not sure it is not Gibson’s gaffe, instead of Palin’s.

                      Overall, like I said before, a medicore performance.

                      It doesn’t even rise to mediocre. Her single accomplishment is that she didn’t make a serious gaffe. As far as what is the “Bush Doctrine,” defenders are splitting hairs. There might be several interpretations but she did not have a handle on any of them and therefore could not engage “Charlie” on anything more than her rote response. It’s not as experience as much as just a pure lack of knowledge and a willingness to make stuff up to make herself look like she knows or has done something.

                    • jquinones8812_854

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                      September 13, 2008 at 6:36 am

                      Can you tell me what the Bush doctrine is?

                    • jquinones8812_854

                      Member
                      September 13, 2008 at 6:38 am

                      here is just one example of the ‘clear’ definition of the Bush doctrine:

                      Scholars identify seven different “Bush Doctrines,” including the notion that states that harbor terrorists should be treated no differently than terrorists themselves, the willingness to use a “coalition of the willing” if the United Nations does not address threats, the doctrine of [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemptive_war]preemptive war[/link], and the president’s second-term “freedom agenda”.[link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_doctrine#cite_note-0][1][/link]

                      Yeah, nice clear and concise; and Gibson didn’t even get it right.  I don’t blame her for flubbing a bad question.

                      Again, mediocre performance.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

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                      September 13, 2008 at 7:35 am

                      ORIGINAL: MISTRAD

                      Can you tell me what the Bush doctrine is?

                      I’ll defer to wiki, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_doctrine

                      “Later it came to include additional elements, including the controversial policy of preventive war, which held that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represented a supposed threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat was not immediate (used to justify the invasion of Iraq), a policy of supporting democracy around the world, especially in the Middle East, as a strategy for combating the spread of terrorism, and a willingness to pursue U.S. military interests in a unilateral way.[5][6][7] This represented a continuation of Ronald Reagan’s foreign policy of roll-back, as opposed to the older Cold War policies of deterrence and containment, under the Truman Doctrine; and a departure from post-Cold War philosophies such as the Powell Doctrine and the Clinton Doctrine.”

                      As for “flubbing a [i]bad[/i] question, she showed no grasp of the issues and intricacies and therefore could not engage other than what she had memorized. She had no background with which to draw on, she’s an empty vessel. Worse, she ridicules those who do have knowledge and experience to understand the facts.

                      http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/opinion/13sat1.html

                      One of the many bizarre moments in the questioning by ABC Newss Charles Gibson was when Ms. Palin, the governor of Alaska, excused her lack of international experience by sneering that Americans dont want somebodys big fat résumé maybe that shows decades and decades in that Washington establishment where, yes, theyve had opportunities to meet heads of state.

                      We know we were all supposed to think of Joe Biden. But it sure sounded like a good description of Mr. McCain. Those decades of experience earned the Arizona senator the admiration of people in both parties.

                    • jquinones8812_854

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                      September 13, 2008 at 7:45 am

                      Agreed.  But the resume question…the reverse argument can be made against Obama.  That is one of the things that protects her…Obama’s own inexperience works in her favor.

                      Ultimately, I think her comfort level with the American people will come down to the debate.  If she holds her own with Biden, that will be enough.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

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                      September 13, 2008 at 9:04 am

                      ORIGINAL: MISTRAD

                      Agreed.  But the resume question…the reverse argument can be made against Obama.  That is one of the things that protects her…Obama’s own inexperience works in her favor.

                      Ultimately, I think her comfort level with the American people will come down to the debate.  If she holds her own with Biden, that will be enough.

                      I’m still not talking about experience or resumes except for her own disdain of experience. But if Obama were asked the same questions, do YOU think he would flub them like she did?

                      I agree with your 2nd, as long as she doesn’t make a fool of herself, low expectations and shielding her from public vetting will keep her a Republican celebrity.

                    • jquinones8812_854

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                      September 13, 2008 at 9:12 am

                      Well, it depends on what you call a flub.

                      I have already defended the Bush doctrine question.

                      I have said that the answer to the Israeli/Iran question was her weakest answer by far…but ironically, the answer about ‘we shouldn’t second guess israel’ is almost verbatim an answer that Obama gave on the same question in a debate in March. 

                      As for Georgia and the Ukraine; her stand is very similar to obama’s stance.

                      So, I think she did NOT appear as confident as she needed to; and some of her answers were clearly dictated to her.  But as for the answers themselves, they don’t differ much from obama, so I don’t really understand how much of a flub they could be.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      September 13, 2008 at 8:42 pm

                      I would have been impressed if she had said: “charlie, there are seven different policies that have been referred to as the Bush doctrine” Then enumerated them and then asked which one he was interested in. That would have been good, but I doubt even Bush himself could have done that.

                      She didn’t mention one of them. She had no grasp of what was being asked. IF she had mentioned one, then she is OK, but she was unable.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      September 14, 2008 at 3:59 am

                      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/charlie_gibsons_gaffe.html

                      There is no single meaning of the Bush doctrine. In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration — and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today.

                      He asked Palin, “Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?”

                      She responded, quite sensibly to a question that is ambiguous, “In what respect, Charlie?”

                      Sensing his “gotcha” moment, Gibson refused to tell her. After making her fish for the answer, he grudgingly explained to the moose-hunting rube that the Bush doctrine “is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense.”

                      Wrong.

                      I know something about the subject because, as the Wikipedia entry on the Bush doctrine notes, I was the first to use the term. In the cover essay of the June 4, 2001, issue of The Weekly Standard titled, “The Bush Doctrine: ABM, Kyoto, and the New American Unilateralism,” I suggested that the Bush administration policies of unilaterally withdrawing from the ABM treaty and rejecting the Kyoto protocol, together with others, amounted to a radical change in foreign policy that should be called the Bush doctrine.

                      Yes, Palin didn’t know what it is. But neither does Gibson. And at least she didn’t pretend to know — while he looked down his nose and over his glasses with weary disdain, “sounding like an impatient teacher,” as the Times noted. In doing so, he captured perfectly the establishment snobbery and intellectual condescension that has characterized the chattering classes’ reaction to the phenom who presumes to play on their stage.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

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                      September 14, 2008 at 4:19 am

                      The NYTimes has an interesting article about thinking about the West vs the Feds titled, “A Western State of Mind:”

                      http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/weekinreview/14roberts.html

                      The truth has always been more ambiguous, not least because of the regions tangled relationship with the federal government, which had cleared the land of Indians and offered the handout of the Homestead Act in 1862, itself adopted after some 70 years of debate about the rightful disposition of public lands.

                      In the 20th century, accounts of the West often centered on this paradox. The inhabitants boasted of their autonomy, even as the government did the dirty work, took the risks and offered sweet deals to settlers, so they could expand the borders of the United States. Without this help, as many writers have noted, the waves of Western pioneers wouldnt have had the luxury of hating Washington bureaucrats.

                      This attitude, of wanting it both ways, was neatly summed up a half-century ago by the historian Bernard DeVoto as: Get out and give us more money.

                      I guess, erad, you might be correct, this is Socialism with a distinctly West flavor.

                    • jquinones8812_854

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                      September 14, 2008 at 6:20 am

                      I think that is hilarious…considering that historically much more money has been spent on the east and the population centers.

                      I also find it funny that you guys are blasting Palin (hypocrite as she may be) for exactly what Obama is going to do when he is to become president, considering most of his solutions are money hand outs.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

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                      September 15, 2008 at 4:20 am

                      ORIGINAL: MISTRAD

                      I think that is hilarious…considering that historically much more money has been spent on the east and the population centers.

                      I also find it funny that you guys are blasting Palin (hypocrite as she may be) for exactly what Obama is going to do when he is to become president, considering most of his solutions are money hand outs.

                      That might be true but considering the population centers are just that, where there are a lot of people, what else would you do?

                      As for the comparison between Palin & Obama, the problem is that she’s like a smoker who quit & then goes all evangelical on your face. Except shes’ going evangelical & not admitting the prior addiction. As for Obama “just” wanting to give hand-outs, I “just” want something more than “just” tax cuts that are supposed to cure the common cold and all our other ills.

                      Same-ol same ol BS. Is this all the discussions ever come down to??? Hand-outs vs tax cuts? In the end, if that’s all there is, what’s the difference???

                      Today’s column by Bill Kristol, with whom I seldom agree but in this there is much I agree except that he sees the glass from a right-wing viewpoint

                      http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/opinion/15kristol.html

                      Now, if only one side will stop throwing gasoline on the Culture Wars maybe we all can – somewhat – unite & solve things.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      September 15, 2008 at 4:56 am

                      Unfortunately by choosing a “bulldog” who bites and won’t let go Mccain made it that much less likely that he is willing to compromise on core issues.  By picking a right leaning candidate he agian backs off from the compromising maverick and makes everyone looking for a middle guy look elsewhere.

                    • jquinones8812_854

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                      September 15, 2008 at 6:19 am

                      Why?  Because his veep believes something different than him?  You gotta be kidding.

                      McCain will do as he likes.  For example, he is coming out with a stem cell ad this week…that I am sure Palin doesn’t like.  Yeah, he is really towing the line.

                      As for the issues, I agree.  I am really depressed, because I respect both Obama and McCain.  This isn’t 2004, where I had no respect for Kerry, even before the campaign.  And I thought these guys would run a different campaign…and neither is.  Oh, I know you guys on the left think Obama is the next coming, but he has run a more traditional campaign than Kerry did 4 years ago.  McCain in the last few weeks has become the traditional Republican candidate.

                      This is not to say that these guys aren’t different; I believe they are.  I think they are both honorable men, but each has to do something drastic to change the tenor of this campaign.  I keep harping on this, but I really, really wish Obama had done the townhall debates with McCAin…it was unique, and I think it could have been a tranformative experience in american politics.  To pass on that was unfortunate.

                      So, don’t get me wrong; I will continue to defend McCain when I think he deserves it, and will attack him when he deserves it.  But that doesn’t mean I am totally happy with the course of this campaign.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

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                      September 15, 2008 at 3:20 pm

                      Never mind.

                    • btomba_77

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                      June 24, 2015 at 5:12 am

                      The rise and fall of Sarah Palin
                       
                      [url=http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/sarah-palin-dumped-by-fox-119357.html#ixzz3dyYk6LpK]Fox dumps Sarah Palin[/url]

                      Fox News will not renew its contract with Sarah Palin, whose bombastic appearances have been a cable staple since the former Alaska governors failed run on John McCains ticket in the 2008 presidential election cycle. When asked for comment, a Fox News spokesperson confirmed the network had amicably parted ways with the governor on June 1.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

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                      June 24, 2015 at 5:31 am

                      It only took 7 years. But she’s made a hell of a lot of $$$ selling anger and divisiveness.
                       
                      Hopefully she’ll disappear in the Alaska wilderness now looking at the Russian coastline.

                    • kaldridgewv2211

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                      June 24, 2015 at 6:01 am

                      I feel like she’s lost some of the hot librarian look.  Out with old in with the new.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      June 24, 2015 at 6:16 am

                      wow. you libs must be really bored.
                      do you really think anybody cares
                      about this except a bunch of liberal
                      radiology nerds? advice: get a life.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      June 24, 2015 at 6:52 am

                      Dude

                      You obviously care enough to post your disdain for it

                      Hahahaha

                      I tend to not read or respond to issues I don’t care about

                    • eyoab2011_711

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                      June 25, 2015 at 4:38 pm

                      And Bristol is in the news again…
                       
                      [link=http://www.eonline.com/news/670640/bristol-palin-pregnant-with-second-child-i-know-this-will-be-a-huge-disappointment]http://www.eonline.com/ne…-a-huge-disappointment[/link]
                       
                      They are calling out for a reality show

                    • odayjassim1978_476

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                      June 25, 2015 at 4:51 pm

                      and she had a father in the home

                    • Unknown Member

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                      June 26, 2015 at 4:38 am

                      Wonder if the ex fiancé is not the daddy
                       
                       

                    • kayla.meyer_144

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                      June 26, 2015 at 4:47 am

                      Family values Palin. Chutzpah.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      June 26, 2015 at 5:13 am

                      Trailer park values from a trailer park family

                    • btomba_77

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                      April 2, 2022 at 4:11 am

                      [link=https://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA/status/1510057675316416512]https://twitter.com/Sarah…us/1510057675316416512[/link]
                       
                      She’s baaaaaack …
                       
                      Sarah Palin announces she is running for Don Young’s seat to be congresswoman from Alaska.
                       
                      Today Im announcing my candidacy for the U.S. House seat representing Alaska. Public service is a calling, and I would be honored to represent the men and women of Alaska in Congress, just as Rep. Young did for 49 years. – SP
                       
                       

                    • Unknown Member

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                      September 15, 2008 at 7:56 am

                      [b]”The inhabitants boasted of their autonomy, even as the government did the dirty work, took the risks and offered sweet deals to settlers”[/b]
                       
                      The  “settlers”  I am desended from came across the plains in the late 1840’s to a barran wasteland and a lot of hard work.  The was no “government”  and they sure didn’t get a sweet deal, what they did get was a chance to work their a$$ off in the middle of no-where.  If they did not bring it with them, they didn’t have it.  This was the case for most settlers, the first ones to brave the unknow.  The only dirty work ( at least for my family ) was the sweat and toil that they put into the land.  Some made it, some didn’t.
                       
                      I belive to this day that the people of the west do have a get deal of autonomy, that they tend to do for themself first before asking for, or expecting,  help.  Look at the times when the west is hit with a great deal of snow or floods.  What you do see is a lot of people gettin out to work, help in anyway that they can, way before any type of help comes from  the fed gov.  In a lot of ways it is in their blood, a kind of “stand on they own two feet” kind of thing.  People out west ( or from westen stock) do kind of think different, more what can” I do” as apposed to “who is going to help me”
                       
                      The NYT points out the Goldwaters grandfather’s store made money by “doing” business (contracts to suppy the army) with the fed gov, a lot of people did, and are still doing,  the same thing.  He worked for that money, it was not a hand out.    It  sounds like his hard work paid off.
                       
                      I am sure that the people of Alaska are of the same settler stock, if it was so easy to live there, how come there is not more people there?  Everyone makes a big deal of the money that is “paid” to each one of them each year, but how much is a gal of milk?, or bread? or even a candy bar?  Most of them  have kind of an indepented “spirt”, which is refersing. Is not most of Alaska fed land?  How much of Illinois is fed land?  So it would seem to me that more fed money would be spent in, or paid out to, Alaska then in Illinois.
                       
                       

                    • Unknown Member

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                      September 15, 2008 at 8:20 am

                      Given where most of us are our forebears likely all worked hard….what’s your point—-?  I know that the GI bill and government sponsored loans were a huge reason why I am where I am at now.  The federal government plays an important role in determining the outcome for many citizens! 

                    • jquinones8812_854

                      Member
                      September 15, 2008 at 8:28 am

                      Yes, the government has a role, even a key role.

                      But it is often not the decisive role.

                      Government must help people do the things they cannot do themselves; the most perfect example being education.  Access to good education is lacking; this has been a bipartisan failure.  I would argue that after national defense, there is nothing more important, and we are failing miserably.  And it isn’t about more money; it is about true reform; and education reform is something that Obama is by no means offering.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      September 15, 2008 at 8:40 am

                      Actually neither one is—-very unfortunate…

                    • eyoab2011_711

                      Member
                      September 15, 2008 at 9:31 am

                      I think that is hilarious…considering that historically much more money has been spent on the east and the population centers.

                       
                      That may be true is gross dollars, but on a per capita basis more federal dollars are spent in Alaska.  In fact none of these are “east coast centers”
                       

                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2][b]State[/b][/size][/font][/center]

                      [font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2][b]Total Congressional Earmarks [/b]
                      [b](disclosed and undisclosed)[/b][/size][/font]

                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2][b]Population (2007 est.)[/b][/size][/font][/center]
                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2][b]Per Capita [/b][/size][/font][/center]

                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][color=#000000][size=2][b]AK[/b][/size][/color][/font][/center]
                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][color=#000000][size=2]$346,073,350[/size][/color][/font][/center]
                      [right][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][color=#000000][size=2]683,478[/size][/color][/font][/right]
                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][color=#000000][size=2]$506.34[/size][/color][/font][/center]

                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2][b]HI[/b][/size][/font][/center]
                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2]$289,868,650[/size][/font][/center]
                      [right][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2]1,283,388[/size][/font][/right]
                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2]$225.86[/size][/font][/center]

                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2][b]WV[/b][/size][/font][/center]
                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2]$358,530,318[/size][/font][/center]
                      [right][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2]1,812,035[/size][/font][/right]
                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2]$197.86[/size][/font][/center]

                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2][b]MS[/b][/size][/font][/center]
                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2]$511,478,000[/size][/font][/center]
                      [right][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2]2,918,785[/size][/font][/right]
                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2]$175.24[/size][/font][/center]

                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2][b]ND[/b][/size][/font][/center]
                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2]$105,858,230[/size][/font][/center]
                      [right][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2]639,715[/size][/font][/right]
                      [center][font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2]$165.48[/size][/font][/center]
                      [blockquote]
                      [blockquote]
                      [blockquote]
                      [font=”arial, helvetica, sans-serif”][size=2][b][size=1]Source: TCS Analysis; U.S. Census Bureau [/size][/b][/size][/font]
                      [/blockquote][/blockquote][/blockquote]
                       
                      http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/taxpayers_for_common_sense_021408.htm

                    • jquinones8812_854

                      Member
                      September 15, 2008 at 9:38 am

                      Fair enough.  Of course, there are reasons. 

                      Alaska is sparsely populated; some towns are only connected by planes much of the year; the roads are often unpassable; and yet, it is maybe the most vital state in regards to gas reserves. 

                      Hawaii is another example; because of the numerous islands, much of the cost is transportation between the islands and the mainland.

                      The other states are among the poorest in the nation.

                      Look here is my point (and McCain’s) on earmarks; you will never stop them completely.  What you can do is make it public, so you know who put what earmark where; and let people debate the validity of those earmarks, instead of slipping them in the middle of the night.  The Democrats, and many republicans, are against this common sense reform.  It needs to happen; regardless of whether you are for Obama or McCain.

                    • eyoab2011_711

                      Member
                      September 15, 2008 at 9:43 am

                      But another reason why Palin is not a good choice, she does not truly share his core values (IMO).  Palin’s opinions on earmarks show they are a matter of convenience/milk the system.  On the other hand, Arizona is 50th in earmarks per capita at ~$18 per citizen

                    • jquinones8812_854

                      Member
                      September 15, 2008 at 9:54 am

                      So he should pick only people that totally agree with him, and without any diversity of opinion, ala Obama?  Is that really what you are advocating?

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      September 15, 2008 at 10:00 am

                      No but we expect some similarity ofn key core issues which Mccain and Obama espouse in their campaigns—One of Mccains biggest is the issue of earmarks……raises questions on what we are getting should Mccain not hit his late 70’s.  I think SP is frighteningly similar to Bush awarding only his loyalists with attention and avoiding and ignoring the rest…….

                    • jquinones8812_854

                      Member
                      September 15, 2008 at 3:01 pm

                      http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/majority_of_voters_say_only_mccain_biden_prepared_to_be_president

                      Polls like this show why it is dangerous for the Dems to attack Palin…yes, she is less qualified than obama, but then if experience becomes a key issue, Obama loses; double edged sword.

                    • jquinones8812_854

                      Member
                      September 13, 2008 at 5:29 am

                      ORIGINAL: Frumious

                      Interesting opinion piece from the conservative David Brooks, [link=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/opinion/12brooks.html]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/opinion/12brooks.html[/link]

                      the Republican Partys knee-jerk response to many problems is: Throw a voucher at it. Schools are bad. Throw a voucher. Health care systems a mess. Replace it with federally funded individual choice. Economic anxiety? Lower some tax rate.

                      The latest example of the mismatch between ideology and reality is the housing crisis. The partys individualist model cannot explain the social contagion that caused hundreds of thousands of individuals to make bad decisions in the same direction at the same time. A Republican administration intervened gigantically in the market to handle the Bear Stearns, Freddie and Fannie debacles. But it has no conservative rationale to explain its action, no language about the importance of social equilibrium it might use to justify itself.

                      I agree totally.  The Republican party was the party of ideas in the nineties; regardless of what you want to say, it was the Republicans that pushed for a balanced budget, welfare reform, decreased capital gains and estate taxes.  But the Republicans have become lazy.

                      The Democrats have the reverse problem.  There answer to everything is create a gov’t program and fund it with more tax dollars.

                      There has to be a middle ground.  Brooks brought up education.  Well, I don’t think vouchers are the total solution; but they are part of the solution.  Every place that vouchers are tried, they signficantly increase test scores and high school completion rates.  Now, this is only going to solve the problem for a minority of students; but it can be part of the solution, including increased funding, better pay for teachers, education reform, etc.

                      We need to confront these big problems the same way we are starting to discuss energy reform; a kitchen sink approach.  A lot of things will work, some won’t.  But restricting these programs because either lobbyists or unions don’t want it is unacceptable.

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      September 13, 2008 at 6:01 am

                      “The Democrats have the reverse problem. There answer to everything is create a gov’t program and fund it with more tax dollars.” – Mistrad

                      “Everything” is an extreme misrepresentation.

                    • jquinones8812_854

                      Member
                      September 13, 2008 at 6:02 am

                      O.K, I agree.  Not everything.  Would you accept ‘most things’?

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      September 13, 2008 at 6:09 am

                      I would accept they see government as having more of a role than conservatives and republican do. I’d go so far as to say government can have a ‘significant’ role.

                    • jquinones8812_854

                      Member
                      September 13, 2008 at 6:13 am

                      O.K, I guess we are talking about semantics.

                      Can you point to one plan Obama has to solve something that isn’t funded by the government?

                • jquinones8812_854

                  Member
                  September 12, 2008 at 10:46 am

                  ORIGINAL: OutpatientRadRules

                  I am making judgements from real solid information I am close to several frineds in the “great state of alaska”  from both sides of the political spectrum and they have several of the same problems with Palin as the quote “liberal media” do.

                  funny, because she has a 84% popularity rate in Alaska…so I guess you found the few people in the minority.

                  It is like me finding a few Bush lackeys, saying Bush is doing a great job, and then making a more general statement out of those opinions.

                  • eyoab2011_711

                    Member
                    September 12, 2008 at 11:49 am

                    I’m not sure of this irrational fear of “liberals” and the demonization through the use of this term.  Unfortunately the classic definition of liberal and conservative which you have somewhat captured do not meet the political caricatures.  Now by looking at your definitions however, conservatives believe things are fine the way they are and liberals think things can be even better than they are now.  Choice seems obvious to me.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      September 12, 2008 at 12:04 pm

                      Sometimes the enemy of “good” is “better”.  Especially when couched under some pretex, like “fairness”.

                    • jquinones8812_854

                      Member
                      September 12, 2008 at 12:11 pm

                      ORIGINAL: Thor

                      I’m not sure of this irrational fear of “liberals” and the demonization through the use of this term.  Unfortunately the classic definition of liberal and conservative which you have somewhat captured do not meet the political caricatures.  Now by looking at your definitions however, conservatives believe things are fine the way they are and liberals think things can be even better than they are now.  Choice seems obvious to me.

                      totally untrue.  It depeds on what topic you are talking about, and your point of view:

                      1.  Education:  I would argue that Obama is the agent of the status quo for education.  He has proposed some increase in spending (far less than Bush, I might add) and increasing college funding.  But no major changes to the system.  You call that change?
                      2. Energy:  I am willing to concede that Obama asks for more change on this; But McCain is not Bush; he supports carbon cap and trade (which I oppose), big funding increases for alternative energy (which I strongly support), and increased nuclear and oil drilling (which Obama, at best, is lukewarm on).  So you can argue that Obama provides [i]more[/i] change, but McCain is far from status quo.

                      Those are just two examples.  I have plenty more.  But it is intellectually lazy to say that Obama is for ‘Change’ and McCain is not…that is not a true analysis of their platforms.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      September 12, 2008 at 12:18 pm

                      I am NOT afraid of a conservative—None of the supposed conservatives like Bush, Rumsfeld or Cheney have actually been true conservatives….I am afraid of the hard right wing and religious right!

                    • Unknown Member

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                      September 12, 2008 at 1:28 pm

                      I believe we need to pause and and consider that Sarah Palin could be President of the United States in approx. 4 months. Additionally we should consider the fact it was Senator McCain that put our country in this situation. I realize it takes some courage to come out against a Party one has strongly supported for years, but I believe there are going to be many life long Republicans who will do just that.

                    • jquinones8812_854

                      Member
                      September 12, 2008 at 1:30 pm

                      And with the alternative being a man who knows, at best, little more than Palin on foreign affairs?  And that being on top of the ticket?

                      I doubt your analysis.

                • Unknown Member

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                  September 12, 2008 at 1:49 pm

                  ORIGINAL: OutpatientRadRules

                  I am making judgements from real solid information I am close to several frineds in the “great state of alaska”  from both sides of the political spectrum and they have several of the same problems with Palin as the quote “liberal media” do.

                  apparently your friends don’t have many that agree with them in Alaska

                  • kayla.meyer_144

                    Member
                    September 12, 2008 at 4:15 pm

                    I would bet that her popularity in Alaska is actually pretty high considering that she increased their yearly paycheck from the government. I’d be more favorably inclined towards politicians if I got a regular paycheck from the government each year with increases and was skilled at getting big earmarks from Washington to boot.

                    She’s a fiscal conservative.That’s all the experience she’ll ever need.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    April 4, 2022 at 2:56 am

    [link=https://thehill.com/news/3257898-trump-endorses-sarah-palin-in-alaska-special-election/]https://thehill.com/news/…aska-special-election/[/link]

    [h1][b]Trump endorses Sarah Palin in Alaska special election[/b][/h1]  

    • kaldridgewv2211

      Member
      April 6, 2022 at 3:05 pm

      Shes a dull penny at this point.

      • btomba_77

        Member
        June 12, 2022 at 4:13 am

        [h1][b]Palin  Early Frontunner in Alaska Primary[/b][/h1]  
        Early results in Alaskas 48-candidate special primary election for U.S. House Saturday showed Republicans Sarah Palin and Nick Begich III taking the lead, followed by independent Al Gross. Democratic former state Rep. Mary Peltola, in her first statewide campaign, was in fourth, the [link=https://www.adn.com/politics/2022/06/11/palin-begich-gross-and-peltola-are-early-frontrunners-in-alaskas-special-us-house-primary/]Anchorage Daily News[/link] reports.
         
        Palin, in her first campaign since resigning as Alaska governor in 2009, was the clear leader with 30%. Begich, a businessman and investor who launched his campaign before the March death of longtime Alaska U.S. Rep. Don Young which prompted Saturdays special election was in second with 19%.
         
        Gross, an orthopedic surgeon who ran unsuccessfully as an independent for U.S. Senate in 2020, with the Democratic Partys nomination, was in third with 12%.
         

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 21, 2022 at 4:41 am

    [h1][b]Al Gross Pulls Out of Alaska House Race, Wants to supporters to Vote Not Palin[/b][/h1] Al Gross (I), a leading contender in Alaskas U.S. House race, dropped out Monday without providing a reason, [link=https://www.alaskapublic.org/2022/06/20/gross-a-top-four-candidate-for-us-house-calls-it-quits/]Alaska Public Radio[/link] reports.

    Gross finished in third place in the June 11 special primary to fill the vacancy left by the death of Rep. Don Young. He was on track to be one of the four candidates who would advance to the special general ballot.

    Instead, the fourth spot on that ballot will go to the next finisher and that appears to be Republican Tara Sweeney.

    ___________

     [link=https://www.adn.com/politics/2022/06/20/al-gross-withdraws-from-alaskas-us-house-campaign/]Anchorage Daily News[/link] reports Gross urged his supporters to consider voting instead for Mary Peltola (D) or Sweeney.

    It is with great hope for Alaskas future that I have decided to end my campaign to become our states next Congressman, Gross said [link=https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22064780/al-gross-press-6-20-22.pdf]in a written statement[/link] Monday night. There are two outstanding Alaska Native women in this race who would both serve our state well, and I encourage my supporters to stay engaged and consider giving their first-place vote to whichever of them best matches their own values. Thank you for your support.
     

  • btomba_77

    Member
    August 17, 2022 at 3:36 am

    [link=https://www.axios.com/2022/08/17/sarah-palin-advances-alaska-us-house-seat-election]Sarah Palin advances to November election for Alaska

    [/link]

    [link=https://www.axios.com/2022/06/15/sarah-palin-alaska-house-special-election]Sarah Palin[/link], the former Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential nominee, has advanced to the November general election for the state’s sole seat in the U.S. House, [link=https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1559777977403047936]AP projects[/link].
     
    [b] [/b]Palin joins Republican Nick Begich and Democrat Mary Peltola on the ballot, according [link=https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-sarah-palin-steve-bannon-voting-special-a25a0845d165e8ba0edfd532e9bff31b]to AP[/link], which noted on Wednesday morning it’s too early to call the fourth-placed candidate.
     
    The trio will compete via a ranked-choice contest in the general election to fill the remaining months of the late [link=https://www.axios.com/2022/03/19/alaska-congressman-don-young-dies]Rep. Don Young[/link] (R-Alaska), who died in March after serving in the seat for 49 years.

    [/QUOTE]
     

  • btomba_77

    Member
    September 6, 2022 at 7:12 am

    [link=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sarah-palin-alaska-congressional-race-nick-begich-mary-peltola/]Palin calls on Begich to drop out of the race after Democrat wins special election

    [/link]He keeps calling me a quitter.  And now he wants me, the one who is clearly the only true conservative in this race who can win, he wants me to quit! Now thats the real joke. Sorry, Nick. I never retreat, I reload.

    • btomba_77

      Member
      September 6, 2022 at 9:16 am

       Palin calls Begich a “liberal Democrat” because he wouldn’t drop out, adding “only a Democrat sympathizer would selfishly stay in this race.”

      • ruszja

        Member
        September 6, 2022 at 9:59 am

        She doesn’t appear to understand how this ranked choice thing works.

        Fewer votes cast in this special election than in some small town mayor’s races. Not sure this is predictive of what is going to happen in Nov.

        • kaldridgewv2211

          Member
          September 6, 2022 at 11:59 am

          It’s GOP on GOP violence and I like it.

          • satyanar

            Member
            September 6, 2022 at 1:31 pm

            Yes, of course. The only way this fails for the Dems is if they see at as an opportunity to go more left. Be practical, at least for now. Go to the middle and win a bunch of swing votes.

            • kaldridgewv2211

              Member
              September 6, 2022 at 8:26 pm

              The dem person appeared to be running a pro Alaska campaign.

              Palin and this other Bozo are running to see who is Trumpier. If that starts to backfire maybe the gop will stop sucking at the teets of DJT

  • btomba_77

    Member
    September 22, 2022 at 11:41 am

    [h1]Mary Peltola Holds Big Lead over Palin in Alaska[/h1] [link=https://twitter.com/jazmineulloa/status/1572984595020226566]https://twitter.com/jazmi…us/1572984595020226566[/link]
     
    A new Dittman Research poll finds Mary Peltola (D), who defeated Sarah Palin (R) in a special House election, is on track to do it again with 50% support in the first round of ranked-choice voting.
     

  • btomba_77

    Member
    November 12, 2022 at 9:34 am

    [b]Palin Tells Supporters to Stop Donating to GOP[/b][/h1]  
    Sarah Palin went nuclear on the Republican Party, claiming the GOP sabotaged her Alaska House race and that they deserved their drubbing in the midterms, [link=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/midterm-elections-2022/sarah-palin-loses-gop-midterms-alaska-b2223136.html]The Independent[/link] reports.
     
    In a conspiracy-laden Instagram post, Ms Palin blamed the cockamamie ranked choice voting system, Senator Lisa Murkowski and the dark, dysfunctional GOP machine after she was seemingly trounced by Democrat Mary Peltola for a second time in three months.
     
    Said Palin: The GOP establishment deserves losses until its willing to fight for what is right. They opposed me every step of the way in my Congressional bid, which is par for the course.

     

    • satyanar

      Member
      November 12, 2022 at 10:05 am

      When baby steps become a thundering herd.

      • kaldridgewv2211

        Member
        November 12, 2022 at 12:57 pm

        Her sense of entitlement is off the charts.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    November 24, 2022 at 1:32 pm

    [b]The Continuing Fall of Sarah Palin[/b][/h1]  
     
    [link=https://twitter.com/jonallendc/status/1595595793645330432]Jonathan Allen[/link]: Its worth pausing to note that the 2008 vice presidential nominee of a major party Sarah Palin just lost a House election. And that she did so in a state, Alaska, that her ticket won with 60 percent of the vote 14 years ago and where she was once elected governor.